The WAN Show - 4K Smartphones & AMD Lost $180M - April 17, 2015
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2015-05-07
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18,027 words · ~90 min read
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you already exist welcome to the W show where the people that confused the
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people that we ask to set up our camera literally never get the Headroom right
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for me and Luke literally never literally not once we can get the
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Shoulder width a little bit better it's still really bad but it has never ever
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once happened because I don't know what they're aiming at Kane fix it yeah I
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like I I have no idea what they're aiming at but it's clearly not me and
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Luke oh I oh and I touched the focus one instead of the zoom one oh no all right
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so let's just do that let's just do that
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a little bit well the this week we're going to have great topics like fixing
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your camera framing yeah there we go see
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why do I ask anyone to come in here and help me with it at all you should just film everything you should be the new L
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camera what you tan I'll be the new brand anything for you
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Taran all right so I'm finally back it
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took me a little longer to get kind of sort of yeah okay for like a day I
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wasn't I wasn't really getting into not even not even a day I got here like 40
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minutes ago and then I'm literally flying out on Sunday so I'm not in for
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an entire day of work I'm going to Munich uh we're doing a thing with BMW
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we're going to be checking out some of the tech on actually I don't know if I'm
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supposed to talk about what we're doing well we're doing a thing in Germany for
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an undisclosed for undisclosed company German German company staffed by
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Germans or something potentially other people the point is don't worry don't
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worry don't worry too much about it uh why don't we go ahead and uh move right
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into our our topic call outs for the day so Bell Mobility sells the information
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of Canadians probably the information of
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yours truly as a Bell customer who actually recently rolled out Bell
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company cell phone plans to everyone at L we know everything about all of us for
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only the last couple months for most of you though that's true if that helps for
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like a long time yep they know they know everywhere I've ever gone for like and
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they read all your texts so for a long ass time that's awkward it's got to be
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awkward well I mean really the ones that I sent to you are the only ones that are
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kind of awkward so yeah that that's how I know that they were awkward but at
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least that's as awkward as it gets that's true yeah so there's that uh what
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else what else we got here for talk China installing 3D printers in all
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400,000 of its primary schools that is
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freaking cool that's cool and it's insane that they have 400,000 primary
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schools but yeah that's actually awesome um that they're installing those
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everywhere we'll talk about that more after though this the intro way to go I
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almost went a little bit too far my dock reloaded so I can't even see them uh am
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ooh AMD's Financial results $180 million
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net loss in q1 that is um $180 million
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is a lot of money to not have yeah yeah
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yeah really and then ASUS apparently is unveiling a watch that has 10 days of
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battery life 10 days of battery you know I used to have a watch that had like a
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year of battery life I think yeah it's
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kind of like the old it's you know what's funny is um okay you know what
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we'll get into this later let's roll the
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intro work see I was telling you so you got to like remove it and then no it
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won't work at all what yeah you have to rem or just not remove it but you have
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to drag another one in so it squares space is awesome you can have websites
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that are more like vertical rectangle or
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horizontal rectangle than squares you are so not helping whatever doesn't
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matter squar space no it's going to be like super loud yeah what sorry for your
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ears sucks how do you change on that one how do you change
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it no when you're do nothing do not rewind thank you all right
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light they sit on the couch eventually all right Square
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SP fresh fres and we're back to us all right so
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okay that was the abysmal that was the abysmal intro that's I think that was
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the most successful intro we've ever had I love this show all right let's get
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into our first topic here this is super exciting so I'm going to go ahead are so
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are you handling link posting today yes yes I am all right so I'm going to go
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ahead and I'll like asle do it like the Japan way show where it like literally
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never got done all right so the oh wait
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where is our other scene here there we are I feel weird if I'm not kind of
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looking at me in the corner as I look and make sure the article sitting there
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look at yourself all the time Chinese government to put no you actually
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Chinese government to put 3D printers in all 400,000 elementary schools by next
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year that's pretty sick so this is this is incredible for a number of reasons
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number one is so compared to the US that
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is what does that work out to was about 70,000 US schools so there's yeah about
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70,000 us element schools like five to six times as many elementary schools
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actually pretty nuts and that's and that's at Pro probably around $400 to
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$3,000 per printer so that's actually a freaking lot of money yep metric but ton
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of money but um and obviously the Source
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here is 3dprint.com so it's going to be pretty
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positive about that so it's going to be like yeah really pretty everything
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possible is good yes cool this was posted on the Forum by Victoria Secret
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by the way but I actually completely
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agree with everything that they're saying 3D printing is going to be a life
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skill for the kids of the Next Generation in the same way that us being
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able to use a printer is a like life skill and you know we take we take it
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kind of for granted that you know anyone in the anyone our age knows how to you
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probably maybe install a printer driver
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at the very least use the you know the print properties dialog to select the
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printer that they want to print from and not fix the printer hopefully change you
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know landscape to Portrait or something like like you're going to have these
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rudimentary skills and then least some of them yeah so to like my kids being
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able to configure they're going to laugh when you know I don't know how to you
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know preheat the I'll show you how to
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set up the printer although you'll probably be fine and you know what it's
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not even it's not even I mean by the time these are rolling out in homes I I
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highly doubt we're going to be dealing with the same filament based 3D printing
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Technologies there there's some other way cooler stuff out there and as
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pricing comes down on that stuff as patents expire over the next you know
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sort of 10 to 25 years as they're apt to do there's
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going to be some really exciting really cool stuff available in the home and
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younger kids are going to completely take for granted that this technology is
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readily accessible and easy to use we we did that for a bunch of stuff though
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unless you don't give them any access to
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it I see where you're going with that this is where I'm going with this if
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young kids don't have access to 3D printing technology and aren't playing
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with it because that's what it's all about that's what learning is about when you're a kid what did you do with a
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printer when you were a kid you printed out aski art or like a picture of your
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face that you scanned on the flatbed scanner that you were also learning how
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to use or like okay like my buddy whose
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dad had a color dot matrix oh Dam whoa
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Bo I know if I've ever even seen a color boy so color color. Matrix so like we
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had the we had these like Page Long CU
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remember how the pages used to F according style so we had like these six
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page long Color Prints of our names that we could put in our on our walls that's
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cool like that's the kind of thing that feels stupid to us as adults because we
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take that technology for granted especially top Matrix because we played
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with it as kids so I sit there and I look at that going well if 3D printing
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is the future of Rapid manufacturing and the future of being a maker and being
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able to design things and innovate it might be the future of just like owning
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a home and China and stuff is setting up
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their entire next generation of children to understand this technology and and
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take it for granted the same way that we take the things that we had for granted
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then um you got to kind of look at that and
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go you know hey are we are we investing
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our money correctly right now and Obama kind of agrees with the lus side of
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things where he has said apparently in a State of the Union Address that he uh
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well not I don't have any NE necessary quotes but apparently he said that 3D
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printing is very important yep he's he definitely talked about the importance
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of 3D printing um even and I think the point it was mentioned in the article on
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3dprint.com but he even brought it up in
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a State of the Union Address uh something to do with bringing manufacturing back to the us and this is
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going to be really important and all that stuff um but yeah I think that I I
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think that we are underestimating the importance of 3D printing because it's
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so expensive but China's going ahead and they're getting ahead of the curve
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they're going yep we're going to get everyone educated about this while it's
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still really expensive so when this stuff starts to hit the mainstream and we're going to be part of accelerating
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accelerating it to the mainstream when it hits the mainstream our population is
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going to know how to take advantage of this technology and compete better
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against their Rivals I mean imagine if everyone on your Workforce knew how to
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use a 3D printer and if they had a great idea and they could kind of just bring
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it to you and all it cost is you know your 10 bucks or 20 bucks hey who the
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heck knows how big of a thing they're printing however much filament they're
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using um if we get a 3D printer I'm
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having like filament rations cuz I am sure that there are there are and I
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mainly Taran Taran would print endless Lego yeah like end well I can't even
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call it Lego like Lego Lego knockoff yeah Teran go yeah I
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just Tero ter Tero Tero actually sounds
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kind of fun I'd play with teros it's like the it's not like the the Chinese
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knock knock off it's like the skinny white dude knockoff
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Tero I'd play with teros where's I Teran
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should makes me ter go let's go with let's go with nowhere um this was posted
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by Alex Goes High original article here is from neowin.net and this is one of
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those things where it's like we've already spoken a lot about this thing
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yeah part of me is like
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wow that's pretty cool the other part of
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me is like really that's pretty ridiculous okay now
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now now hold on a second so basically so sharp announces a 5 and2 in 4k display
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86 PPI 86 PPS per inch which gets people like
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me pretty peeping excited PPS per inch
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PPS per inch it's like rip and peace and
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that's very important that's how people rest forever
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um so basically we've Luke and I have
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kind of talked about how on phones in
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particular um this whole 5 and 1/2 inch
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thing I mean this is rumored to be showing up in devices as soon as late
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2016 early 2017 and we've talked in
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depth about the difference between 1080P and 1440p on a device like this and how
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there isn't and moving to 4K is just
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using up more computational resources
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for no apparent reason other than to have a a bigger batter spec than the
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next guy and this this is one of those things that I admire about Apple I talk
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about this a lot I hate on Apple a lot when they do stuff that's really stupid
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but I also oh man we'll talk about the watch
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later apparently it's okay whatever we'll talk about the watch later um but
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but I also have to give them mad respect when they just Buck the industry Trend
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and do the correct thing Apple was correct to move the smartphone industry
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towards high resolution displays high density displays they were also correct
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when they said you know what it's actually fine the way it is and a high
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contrast display with good pixel response times and accurate color and
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all these things that actually matter to the experience that's more important
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than us just cranking uh pixel density
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for for for no tangible benefit it and
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you're going to get better battery life out of that you're going to get better performance in games when you're running
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at a lower resolution um especially if there's no reason to be running at a
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higher resolution I don't necessarily agree with what Apple does with that
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extra power savings where they just make the device thinner instead of putting
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like a nice wonk and battery in it um but I have to respect them for doing the
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right thing versus doing the thing that gives them a more impressive spec sheet
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but I'm going to throw something at you
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my butt is who cares about putting this
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in phones this is going to be all about
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yes okay you have the same butt as me dad hmd mine's a little smaller yes um I
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we don't really know yet where the perceivable stoppage is going to be for
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VR because I haven't really looked at a 4K screen in VR before I don't think
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many people have no um so there's that so like it we might already be there it
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might be like 1440p to 4K might not really be you've seen 1440p though I
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have and it feels like there could be more but there's other stuff that they could do to fix that too part of the
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problem with a lot of demos right now is they're mainly Tech demos so you'll
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people aren't working on that but at the same time not interacting with it which
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is a huge problem yeah exactly and there's people really highend in VR that
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have said that they want to see 4K screens so I'm kind of leaning towards
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we do need that so I'm excited for this because of that not even remotely
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interested in it for folks I mean have I I I'm you're going to have to correct me
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if I'm wrong here but haven't we even heard 8K as sort of the Magic The Magic
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where it's going to be enough number yeah we're so we're so far away from the
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GPU power to drive that though yes and
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and because you need the minimum FPS minimum FPS is so important for VR it's
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ridiculous because if people are like I want to end up doing VR benchmarks
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eventually and what I might even be interested in reporting is just minimums
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interesting just because that drop is going to be where people get motion
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sickness that drop is exactly what you're going to notice all the time
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we're going to have to we're going to have to start doing the benching completely differently like we're going
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to have to go out to an HDMI splitter
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and we're going to have to go to a capture PC because uh methods like fraps
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simply don't capture instantaneous FPS well enough yeah so we're going to be
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interesting we're have to have a look we're going to have to explore yeah exactly we're going to have to explore
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how we're going to Benchmark stuff for the VR space but that's
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not coming now I guess so that's
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fine yeah anyways anyway so yeah it's
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it's exciting it's apparently an exop panel um which doesn't actually tell us
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a whole lot about how good it is that's just the Indian Gallum something
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something something zinc oxide or I think something along those lines that
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just tells us a material that Sharp's using for it because I've seen exop
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panel displays that look great and I've seen exop panel displays that look good
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but not as good so um yeah that doesn't tell us everything that uh that we need
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that we need to know uh what I'm really what I'm really interested to see though
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is does that mean that we're going to get 8K you know 11 in monitors right
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that's the same pixel density this is one of those things you know what maybe
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an engineer can explain this to me if anyone out there is a display engineer
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you hit me up on Twitter or something not during the show because if you look
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at my Twitter feed during the show it's redonkulous um but but hit me up and let
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me know if I'm a complete idiot because I think aside from yields being
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exponentially lower um so it should be
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it should be something something two two
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whatever they're called two Powers low two Powers worse uh because you've got
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four versus one so so you D you've doubled it twice in terms of your odds
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of having a defect because you've you've quadrupled the size um so aside from
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that when we have the technology is
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there any reason why we can't make if we can make a 4K display that's 15 in is
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there a reason that we can't make an 8K display that's 30 in that's that's kind
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of what I would like to understand a little bit better and there's probably a
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reason yeah I'm just obviously an idiot like why did why did Apple have to do so
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much work on the backlight of the retina
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iMac um to get the brightness high enough when they've got already when
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we've already got pixel densities like that on phones that are also super thin
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and also have
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backlights so yeah some someone someone can someone can school me and I'm always
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more than happy to be schooled speaking of getting schooled uh coolax gaming
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posted on the Forum and this original article here is from Anon Tech you want
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to go ahead and I already have it you are on it today I had it posted in the
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chat so I could post it quickly once you said it AMD posts a q12 15 result of a
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$18 million net loss so a lot of that sort
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of discussion in the forums about you know the Xbox One and the PlayStation 4
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being the savior of AMD looks like they're not the savior of anyone um
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unfortunately uh you know all this all this talk about sort of you know AMD
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being a great sort of performer at the value end and that kind of stuff is true
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but unfortunately that that doesn't do a
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whole lot of good for their bottom line as a company I mean you you see a lot of
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people kind of going oh Intel charges so much Intel's a profitable company if AMD
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could charge you let me see what what percentage their loss was I let me have
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a look hold on hold on so oh no that's
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the non generally accepted I think they had it broken down
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by yeah Computing and Graphics so Computing and graphics on revenues of
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$532 million lost 75 million so AMD processors AMD
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CPUs and gpus need to be 30% more
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expensive for AMD to be even making like a 10 to
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15% profit on it so you got to ask
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yourself if you're an AMD supporter if they jacked their prices 30% tomorrow
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would you still buy it can they be competitive with the technology they
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have today and that's something that
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many folks in the IND industry have been kind of looking at AMD and wondering
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where is the light at the end of this at the end of this tunnel I mean they have
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a new Apu coming but we've heard that
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story every time they've had a new Apu coming that's supposed to be the new the
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new savior it's going to be way faster it's like that's great you know who else
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is coming out with way faster apus Intel
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um which is a real problem for and there that yeah I mean that Intel doesn't call
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it an APU because apparently they think that that ging is irrelevant um for
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whatever reason Intel just kind of didn't go yeah we'll support calling
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this an APU but Intel's building CPUs with more and more and more powerful
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gpus all the time you look at die shots of the latest Intel chips it's like you
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got so if if you got a quad core CPU for example or dual core CPU you got like
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your CPU over here and like your GPU over here it's actually pretty crazy
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Intel is building apus they're they're stepping up quite CU for a while there
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it was no contest at all yep and now it's oh yeah Intel was like such a joke
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the one thing that AMD still really Lords over Intel on the integrated
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Graphics side is drivers yeah and uh there was a really great post I want to
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say it was on Reddit from a guy who uh who interned at NVIDIA for a while and
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he was talking about just how broken games are and how the only reason
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any of it works at all is the years and
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years and years of expertise that the driver teams at NVIDIA and AMD have just
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fixing this stuff over and over and over again and just just going in and fixing
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just fundamental completely basic stuff
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at game by game by game by game and the
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fact that they have that entire backlog of fixes means that a new company that
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tried to you know let's say let's say
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qualcom decided they wanted to build a desktop GPU or let's say Intel decided
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they wanted to build you know code name
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let's call it rarily or rarly or whatever something
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like that let's say they wanted to build a graphics like a graphics core
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um it would be nearly impossible for them to catch up to teams of dozens of
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people working for literally years on
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literally just that yeah fixing broken game c look at GTA 5 there was a
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specific like the name of the driver was GTA 5 for both teams driver that came
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out yep AMD has a beta GTA V driver and
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NVIDIA has a GTA V dver and this is with
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what by most accounts seems to be a pretty good
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Port yeah straight up development yeah
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like they actually did work to make the PC version it's really smooth different
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we have our video coming out soon different yeah actually you've been hard at work on that haven't you there's a
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bunch more more benchmarking numbers than we normally have and with a call
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out at the end for what else you might want to see for future gaming benchmarks
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I'm trying to take gaming benchmarks away from just graphics card showdowns
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and we're going to try and make it like a how does this game really you just
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gave away everything cuz what other what other what other thing what other
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component of the system affects game performance but we didn't fully explore
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it so I'm wondering exactly what they want to see sure they'll tell me in the
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video it's cool I don't mind spoiling it they'll get it soon yeah no I I already
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had some ideas so okay all right just just spoil it cuz I'm sure they're going
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to be giving us a bunch of crap GTA is pretty freaking good I what I did was I
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checked uh cores I recently released cores for gaming so I did like a course
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for GTA V part of the GTA V video and like half the comments under the video
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or why didn't you test this game why didn't you test that game you know what just calm your panties we tested quite a
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few games now we tested GTA 5 all right we're adding that to the sleo things so
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we tested it with two cores two cores hyperthreaded four cores four cores
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hyper threaded six cores hyperthreaded and eight cores hyper threaded ballin
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I'm not going to should I spoil everything should we do 36 cores hyperthreaded at some point oh for
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anyone who doesn't sorry uh we you it's okay I'll talk about this after you go
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well am I spoiling it more or should I make yeah you guys should watch the
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video okay so for those of you who don't follow on Instagram and Twitter and
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where I've been posting some of this stuff Intel confirmed
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we are getting two and I feel terrible
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right now because I've completely forgotten the model number CU I I don't
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actually really keep here we go I don't really keep up on the like
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$4,600 processors that much they're sort of out of my price range if you know
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what I mean but we we are getting two
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2699 V3 18 core processors the these are 2.3 GHz
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base frequency 18 core processors and if
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you do a little bit of funny math it does not work this way if I ever see any
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of you guys doing this to calculate the relative performance of a CPU I am
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giving you guys so much crap about it because it is not the right way to do it
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but you're doing it right now I'm doing it right now but if we went 2.3 GHz
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which is the minimum I don't even know what it's going to Turbo at normally
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times 18 that gives us an equivalent raw
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sort of processing I know I shut up I
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know 4.1 gigahertz if if and you have to
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you have to admit this is right it has 45 Megs of
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cash okay like that's more cash than my
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first computer had RAM like my first
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computer that I owned was like a Pentium 90 with 32 Megs of RAM it has 50 % more
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RAM than my first computer so any anyway
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uh if you had a program that scaled linearly scaled perfectly if if you did
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if if you did huge if if you did it
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would be the equivalent of having a 40 GHz CPU in your system which is bananas
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ridiculous it requires ddr4 server RAM did I mention we're getting two of them
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so we're putting two of those in super
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mic Pro and ASUS are are battling it out for who's going to have the motherboard
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in our system I'm kind of tempted to just ask them both to send them and then
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if the super micro one's good and has 10 GB onboard Lan which is a big deal for
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me cuz we're going 10 gbit in the uh in the new office if it's good and it's
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good then maybe the super micro wins it but the ASUS one is ASUS and there's
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that trust there I've never really used super micro products extensively in the
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past although it's server stuff I mean I
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use super micro stuff it's really solid I haven't used it as much as a Seuss but
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JJ made some compelling Arguments for some extra features they have in the ufi
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I know it's JJ but JJ also isn't just
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full crap I'm not saying he is was saying JJ could make compelling
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Arguments for anything and they would probably be true
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but that's the thing is JJ finds the
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value JJ finds the way way
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yeah I had to JJ is awesome I've had a
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long day day
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it'll be okay
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K oh man I'm I'm going to leave it I'm
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going to leave it there this thing on our next video our little tagline thing
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on the bottom should just be like don't calculate it that
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way oh yeah I've got to add some more to the dock yeah oh man noce some repeat
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ones I I get excited to see them cuz I don't know what they're going to be so
27:27
when they repeat I'm like oh well you know where those come from is I know Ed
27:32
puts some of them in um but like a lot of them are like me waking up me waking
27:37
up in the middle of the night and being like and then like putting it in my
27:42
phone so that I remember to add it to the do later that's where like a lot of
27:46
stuff comes from so anyway on our next day Seuss coverage video the tag line
27:49
should be JJ knows the way
27:54
way you know what you keep making that joke and you'll pay pay
28:00
you hear what I say say Yes um so what are we using 36
28:07
hyperthreaded chor for we're talking 72 threads yeah we have a plan I don't know
28:13
if it's going to work but we have a plan so Adobe products so we're talking
28:18
Premiere and to a greater extent After Effects have a feature called render
28:23
Farm feature whatever you want to call it scw screw you you can make a render
28:26
Farm okay so they Port render Farms
28:29
which basically allows you to take a folder and that designate that as a
28:33
watch folder so then what you do is you drop a project file into that folder and
28:39
any any render Farm machines are going to watch that folder and they're going
28:42
to go hey that's a project I haven't rendering I better go render that now so
28:46
the idea is that even though everyone here has like pretty powerful
28:50
workstations still need them six Core Extreme editions uh 32 gigs of RAM all
28:55
that stuff certain projects and bring
28:58
them to their knees like Ed was rendering out a project the other day
29:02
that he had to disable his Quadro for some reason and only used the Titans in
29:08
order to render out this project and then he was he was he was saturating his
29:14
1 GB land connection as well so there is a reason that we're moving to 10 GB land
29:19
on all the workstations properly this time and uh and that we are building
29:25
that 24 SSD raray server that's going to
29:29
be for everyone to work off of at the same time and then this render farm
29:32
machine is so that no matter what those guys are rendering out no matter what it
29:37
is their machine is not what's being bogged down by it so their machine can
29:42
focus on Real Time playback in you know
29:46
let's say da Vinci resolve and then that
29:49
render machine is outputting whatever project they just finished or Taran with
29:54
his lightening fast editing doesn't have to pause to wait for something something
29:58
to Output although he might have to pause for RSI reasons but yeah well oh
30:03
that's that's a whole that's a whole other that's a whole other thing so so
30:06
we want to have a look at whether it
30:10
will scale to 36 cores and uh and and we
30:14
just want to we want to look at that as a as a workflow because I look at what
30:19
other video production guys are doing and and ones that are bigger than us and
30:23
should therefore probably be more organized than us and I kind of go you
30:27
guys just have like external hard drives with your projects are you insane like
30:33
are you completely insane you don't have a centralized you're using Thunderbolt
30:37
Thunderbolt is not a proper solution for
30:41
professional use that's like prosumer and being marketed as professional use
30:45
I've I've never been a proponent of Thunderbolt for like video editors and
30:51
creative professionals that's that's local storage that's just like USB with
30:57
like old tin foil wrapped around it's like it's like a dressed up still it's
31:03
it's it's like fire wire it's the addition Edition it's USB cable yeah
31:06
it's new fire wire it's I don't I don't view that as a way to work especially in
31:12
a team environment where you want to be able to share resources like the fact
31:16
that now we have a PCI Express SSD in
31:20
our current server that everyone can put their caching files on has sped up the
31:25
workflow dramatically whenever someone needs to load someone else 's project
31:29
instead of storing all those files locally on their own machines or on a USB drive or some stupid thing like that
31:35
they fire the file up just like that they can open up the project instead of
31:38
waiting for the uh for the audio to conform or whatever else the case may be
31:43
so I'm really excited at about the
31:46
potential to centralize all of our data
31:50
and all of our processing as much as we possibly can um so I want to go back to
31:56
actually the topic that we were talking about before anyway that's just kind of teasing the the 36 coreon thing that I'm
32:02
like super amped up about right now but
32:05
this is really cool this was posted by
32:08
DBZ over on uh The Forum at Beyond 3D
32:12
and a lot of people have this perception that the AMD versus NVIDIA battle has
32:19
been kind of a a battle of two Titans
32:22
over the years sorry shouldn't okay oh
32:25
dear I could use a better word than Titan a battle of two Behemoth The but
32:30
it's not really that so going way this
32:34
is like such a cool chart have you seen this yes yeah fantastic so it goes all
32:38
the way from Q3 2003 and you know what I
32:41
love about the timing of this my first graphics card was a 9600
32:47
Pro I had was it a 9600 XT I had something
32:53
from back then so this was the first discreet graphics card that I ever
32:58
bought with my own money so this is like the entire history of as long as I've
33:01
been paying attention so while we go through here actually maybe I'll point
33:05
out all the cards I've ever owned because that might be kind of fun but um
33:08
basically it shows the market share percentages for AMD versus NVIDIA
33:14
historically across all these years so if you look the only time AMD was ever
33:20
ahead of NVIDIA was in like just after
33:24
what I would consider to be their golden age when they were Rising you know the
33:27
9500 non-pro you know IM memory
33:31
configuration soft modding days so uh
33:34
back around the time of the x800 series x850 series they had a really strong
33:40
period here when NVIDIA completely crapped the bed with the 50 uh 5000
33:44
series so that that kind of that kind of took you can see that these things take
33:49
a little while yeah to even kick in too because NVIDIA came back with 6,800
33:54
which were very good cards and that's still it's amazing how slow ception is
33:58
to catch up to the actual products in the market anyway that's neither here
34:01
nor there AMD was ahead for a period of
34:05
looks like about a year and then since
34:09
then it's actually been kind of frightening I mean even at times when
34:13
AMD has had very very compelling products like I personally really liked
34:18
the 3870 thought that was a great product and if we go back and we find uh
34:23
find where that launched so here's the X2 which we put yeah 3870 right here AMD
34:28
was limping along with 37% market share
34:31
at that time and that was when 3870 was up against um up against I guess
34:38
90 80 8,800 cards so the 8,800 you know
34:41
what curiously I can't find the 8800 GT on this stupid thing which is like the
34:46
most important card that existed within this era I'm not even going to lie
34:50
that's the only thing I've been looking for yeah it's I don't think I found GTS
34:54
yeah yeah I found GTS I found 9800 GT which is the same card yeah um but
35:00
anyway that's neither here Norther there so anyway you go along and you kind of
35:03
go AMD's been doing okay you know 35 to
35:08
40% market share this is what's happened in the last couple of
35:12
quarters that is some terrifying stuff right there what incentive does NVIDIA
35:18
have to continue to improve anything when they have 76% market share because
35:22
let me tell you guys the way business works is you invest in areas where you
35:29
see growth for your company which is why
35:32
uh was what was it the W show in Japan yeah W in Japan all did I even talk
35:36
about this on the show or did I just talk about this to the Omron guys the investment that NVIDIA has been
35:42
doing and like the fact that Elon Musk went to one of their conferences because
35:45
they've been working on Tegra for cars yep a huge Focus for them has been stuff
35:50
for cars because what are they going to do sell another 24% more widgets be a
35:55
monopoly and all of a sudden have to deal with a bunch of antitrust nonsense
35:59
and Monopoly Monopoly laws like that
36:02
there isn't even really any incentive for them to to to push any harder
36:06
against AMD like at all they don't they don't want them to just go out of
36:10
business tomorrow I'm fairly certain that would be bad um so I forget where I
36:15
was going with this right so is it any great mystery that in spite of AMD
36:20
having cards that on paper look pretty
36:24
good for the dollar um that they're doing poorly people refuse to buy them
36:29
so everyone out there collectively is not buying the cards and that's why
36:33
that's why AMD is in the situation that they're that they're in today um let's
36:39
go ahead and uh I I do want to do that thing though why don't we uh why don't
36:42
you and I each pick out pick out all the all the cards that we had over the years
36:45
my problem is some of the earlier ones were not my computer specifically they
36:51
were like family computers I can just do it then my first dedicated computer had
36:54
an 8800 GTS okay which here quite a bit
36:58
later all right well yeah I I had earlier cards like I had a 9600 I think
37:03
XT but those were in family computers so my first card was an all-in Wonder 9600
37:08
Pro yeah sick from there I upgraded to
37:12
an x800 Pro so I think that's right around
37:16
here from there I went to an x850 Pro
37:20
which uh should be somewhere in here even if it's not listed there from there
37:24
I went to an x850 XT Platinum Edition so
37:27
so there there oh no uh it's an 850 XT
37:31
Platinum Edition yep there it is X uh from there I went to a 7800 GT from
37:39
there I had a 78 I had two 7,800 gtx's at one point I picked them up off a guy
37:44
who was selling them for way too little I ran in my system for 3 days and then I
37:48
was like afraid to hold them anymore because I literally didn't have that
37:51
kind of money at the time so I needed to flip them I just bought them so I could
37:56
like game like that have the experience
38:00
and I got rid of those things right away you make money off it though yeah yeah I
38:04
made money um so then I went to I had uh
38:08
what was it yeah I didn't go from I
38:11
didn't upgrade the 78 you know what I had a 6800 GT for a few days as well I
38:15
bought a chain tech one back when like chain Tech
38:19
existed um I was kind of I was actually kind of a kind of an AMD guy like back
38:24
in the back in the earlier days like the cards that actually stayed in my rig
38:28
were generally AMD until I went to a 7900 GT and then I went to two of those
38:34
and then I went to 27950 GTS in SLI that
38:38
was my that was my SLI era from there I went to 28800 GTS 320 Megs from there I
38:44
went to two 8800 GTS 640 Meg cards from
38:49
there I went toay 8000 series for a little while I I stuck with the 8000
38:53
series for quite some time and then you know what I actually down dowed from a
38:58
full desktop okay and then I went with a small machine for a bit and I threw a
39:03
3870 in it cuz didn't you have I thought
39:06
you had that crazy 8800 GTX with the wrong cooler on it or something uh what
39:12
was that wrong cooler on it or was it the right cooler can't remember the crazy blower
39:17
one that was too tall oh oh that I don't
39:20
remember what the that card that wasn't a personal rig card okay yeah that was a
39:25
card okay um so then I went with a 387 and the reason for that was dtec had
39:30
their Fusion gfx which was perfectly
39:33
compatible with the built-in um like unisync that was already on the 3870 so
39:39
all you had to do was buy a GPU only water block and I had a liquid cooled
39:43
Silverstone Sugo sgo1 where I dremeled out the top of the case and put a 320 mm
39:48
rat on the top ran the tubes down the back and then inside through a couple of
39:52
holes that I drove that was a pretty cool little rig but the problem was that
39:56
it just was too l so from there I went
40:01
to let's see 3870 I want to say I went
40:05
to GTX 260 from there I had a 260 in my
40:08
mineral oil rig for a really long time four or five years then I went to two
40:13
260s then I think I stuck with that for
40:17
quite some time because not a whole lot came out for a while my wife actually
40:22
still has a 5870 Infinity Edition that was a really cool card like back then
40:27
six mini DisplayPort outputs are you freaking kidding me I mean the the tech
40:32
demos they did with it were stupid because that card I mean even old games
40:39
that card couldn't drive six 1080p displays and actually game not to
40:44
mention that gaming on six displays is dumb because you've got a bezel right
40:49
down the middle of everything no matter what it's just you either have like this
40:54
crazy long one right down the middle this way or you have a whole bunch
40:57
vertically and remember ifinity and portrait didn't exist back then so there
41:01
was no five displays in portrait so the card just like didn't make an ounce of
41:06
sense um so from there I want to say I
41:11
went to a single single
41:18
470 or something along those lines then I had a my next card was a
41:24
480 here it gets blurry because this is where I started uh this is where I
41:29
started being pretty heavy into NC Tech tips and so the line between what card
41:35
was in my rig and what card was on the bench was very blurry
41:39
so it's true uh so so personal like
41:43
personal rig card at that time I've got
41:47
to say was it a 580 I think I had a 580
41:50
at some point I had a 590 at one point I
41:53
know I know that um and then and then I
41:57
went Titan from there and so so you can
42:00
tell that I used to be one of those guys that was upgrading their graphics card
42:05
every single time something new dropped and something that I thought was really
42:09
interesting about this graph going uh going back to again actually I'm just
42:13
going to drop us on there one more time is look at all these
42:18
cards look at the density of cards and
42:22
then all of a sudden starts to thin out a lot 2011 hits and it just kind of went
42:28
away yeah it used to be really fun to
42:32
upgrade your graphics card every six months and like there's bigger changes
42:35
too huge changes like the the the the lack of density here is also important
42:41
in something that doesn't show in the graph which is the amount of improvement between the Cards compared to some jumps
42:46
previously yeah I mean the 5700 Ultra is
42:49
basically a DirectX 8 card let's let's not kid ourselves um the 5950 is like
42:55
barely dx9 barely NVIDIA abandoned that
42:59
thing so fast that Hardware was like bad
43:03
that was that that 5,000 series stuff was some bad hardware and then so you
43:10
you jump ahead to uh First Direct X1
43:14
card what was that the 8800 GTX if I recall correctly uh oh no it might it
43:19
might have actually been the 2900 XT who was first but I don't remember I don't
43:23
remember anyway so so that that era
43:27
that that is like that is huge differences in the way the graphics
43:31
cards work I mean that's that's going from a graphics card just being for
43:35
video games to a graphics card being for video games and even the beginning of
43:40
Cuda I mean look at all the Innovations what happens here and then now we have
43:46
like faster
43:51
Cuda it's sad and GPU boost we do have
43:55
GPU boost I guess there's that which like does weird things yeah it
43:59
does do weird things at least you've got that in
44:03
common with it yeah oh I know about your weird things hey it's the UPS guy our
44:07
favorite person that's always a good sign we know them all now yeah I know
44:12
right the FedEx guy wants me to build him a
44:17
computer he's like so do you have a deal on a computer I'm like I don't know man
44:21
I got like Parts people are always asking me this they're like like my uh
44:25
like my father-in-law is like oh my friends wants to buy a computer do you
44:28
have any computers I'm like yeah but are
44:31
they appropriate probably not likeone who
44:35
wants to buy the iMac oh yeah I heard about that that's good all right let's
44:38
make it go away yeah if I never have to see it again then that'll be a good
44:42
thing oh he has two packages for us today oh I didn't see him for a second I was like wow is it for someone else no
44:48
way it's always us all right this is
44:52
posted by Michael mallister on the Forum and we've got two Source links here and
44:57
I know end Gadget is the original one but I love John ringer so much we're
45:00
going to pull up his website and the TechnoBuffalo link is already the one
45:04
that's placed in twitch chat he's such a nice guy I love John so and you know the
45:10
funny thing is is is the article on TechnoBuffalo here just straight up
45:14
refers to the original Source being uh and according to n Gadget the Vivo watch
45:19
offers anyway so the point is credit recruits do that's good y the point is
45:24
ASUS is teasing the Vivo watch and there's a couple of
45:30
things that are notable about this number one is the design looks an awful
45:33
lot like the Apple watch doesn't it yep
45:36
I think watches are going to get really similar though to be honest yes yes
45:41
you're right and you could make the argument that the Apple watch looks very similar to every other bloody thing that
45:45
strapped to your wrist and told you the time since the dawn of time itself um so
45:49
so you know like I get that but it really does look very similar ites if
45:53
you put the crown on it took away Theus logo you you could tell me that an Apple
45:57
Watch yeah I'd be like oh yeah it's not
46:01
gold that's weird they didn't spend enough money on it yeah exactly is it
46:05
the addition Edition or no so there's a couple cool things about this one um
46:09
number one is that actually it looks very classy um it looks as classy as the
46:13
Apple watch um not quite to my personal taste I actually very much prefer the
46:18
more utilitarian look of something like the LG watchr um and if I'm going to go
46:23
with something that looks a little bit nicer I don't I I like something a
46:26
little more Industrial looking and square like the like the Pebble Steel um
46:30
a lot of people have remarked that I'm back to the Pebble Steel not for any
46:34
particular reason other than that I dropped my G watchr charger and it's
46:38
proprietary and I haven't gotten around to replacing it yet so I broke it um so
46:42
yeah there's that really sucks and you know what going back to the Pebble Steel
46:45
after having been away from it for so long has made me realize they've made a
46:49
lot of improvements for one thing it's really Snappy now like it's like really
46:54
responsive now yeah um
46:58
and two as much as I really like Android
47:01
Weare and I'm going to go back to Android Weare at the earliest opportunity because I really like being
47:06
able to interact via voice for quick text responses and stuff like that um as
47:11
much as I like Android Wear I don't feel
47:14
like the way that it's integrated with
47:18
Android um really has that much of a value right
47:23
now I think that I think that Pebble in
47:27
spite of their proprietary third-party operating system is able to give me as
47:33
compelling a value if the hardware was better and I'm really excited to check
47:36
out the pebble time if the hardware was better they're able to give me a very
47:40
compelling experience even though you know they don't tie directly into iOS
47:44
the way that an Apple Watch would or directly into Android the way that an
47:48
Android were watch would let's not let's not get them too uh too stoked yet let's
47:52
just kind of stash it here for now but yes we will definitely be doing that uh
47:56
put that on Luke's shelf it's a replacement for the giveaway one um okay
48:01
so anyway 10day battery life so that that leads me really well into the other
48:05
exceptional thing about the Vivo watch so it's going to be a very Fitness oriented thing which I personally give
48:10
exactly zero cares about um but what I think is interesting is that it's not
48:14
Android oriented things not Android Wear
48:17
this time oh
48:20
so that's not to I don't know that I don't know that ASUS is like my sort has
48:26
the track record as far as building their own operating for systems
48:30
operating systems for things goes um but
48:34
I am a little bit more we don't like the
48:38
AI Suite thing so much but the ufi setup
48:42
is quite good that's true so that's a very
48:45
different I don't know it could be fine that's true so it could be fine I'm
48:49
reserving judgment but the point was if I hadn't gone back to the Pebble Steel
48:54
recently and kind of realized over again
48:57
that I don't need to have Android with Android Apple OS with Apple OS um I
49:03
would be a lot more Clos minded about this but as it is I kind of want to I
49:08
kind of want to give it a shot I kind of want to try it out yeah that's cool if
49:12
you want me to test the fitness stuff I can do that yeah as long as my knees
49:15
aren't totally busted I'll leave that to you yeah you should probably you should
49:18
probably give an update while I get this ready um or have you been have you told
49:23
them to I not exactly you don't have to
49:26
showed them the
49:29
cane so I'm an old person um I I screwed
49:33
up my knees doing squats there's issues
49:37
with personal trainer conflicts and all this other stuff and blah blah blah
49:43
someone should have been doing whatever anyways my knees are super messed up
49:47
right now but it's not the end of the world I have some fairly minor cartilage
49:52
issues in both of my knees and I have muscle muscle bruising and some other
49:57
stuff so they're a little little not doing great right now but I'm doing some
50:01
weird New Age stuff like foam rolling and crap that my physiotherapist told me
50:05
to do and I'm working on it so I'll be fine ETA couple weeks it'll be all right
50:10
yeah that's it's hard to go upstairs though and there's a lot of stairs in this house so that's been a little bit
50:14
of an issue but people like Nick have been hooking me up so it's okay fewer stairs at the new place that'll be good
50:18
in fact no stairs until we build out the upstairs so so there's that but we
50:23
probably won't be there until I'm done doing this all right so we are going to
50:26
do a super special live
50:29
unboxing we each get one oh that's fun I don't have a knife me neither so can't
50:34
use my C I have a bottle cap thing which was for fizzy water not beer I have my
50:40
Hello Kitty key what happened to your KY CH key uh I
50:44
was flying recently okay I was like oh my goodness I have not been home yet I
50:49
was like if that thing started to fail you would have ordered another one so what the hell happened my my two knives
50:55
that I normally have on me are not are not on me which makes
50:59
sense my professional unboxing knives
51:02
there's actually three boxes but this is pretty much the most exciting package
51:08
that we're going to receive until the xeons show
51:11
up look at all of them and this is like
51:15
each one of these things is two so I'm going to spread them out a little
51:21
bit they're all ssds I'll show you one
51:24
properly Kingston just gave us the straight hookup for the new server so
51:31
like all of all of the all the I
51:34
literally can't even hold them all I literally can't even that's about all
51:38
there is to say about it um we have
51:42
24 960 gig KC series ssds that we are
51:48
going to be installing actually you know what I should have I should have gone in
51:52
I should have gotten up when uh uh when
51:56
you were buying time for me here you can open this last box cuz I have to go get
52:00
three other very important pieces of this as well I don't know if I told you
52:04
that those this is is this the it's more
52:07
oh it's just more ssds it's even more oh
52:11
so you can make one huge pile Oh my God
52:14
it's even more okay give me a moment
52:17
I'll try to stack them all now it's it's
52:20
more as he just said so now I'm going to try to stack them in the like space
52:24
saving way so I'm going to stack them like this which is really the density of
52:29
one even though it's two so I want to point that out real quick and then I'm
52:32
going to try and stack all okay now I play Minecraft with
52:39
ssds so this is actually a really
52:42
important part of the puzzle as well uh
52:46
now normally when you do an SSD raid array you reach the you reach an
52:52
internal bottleneck on your controller or PCI Express before you can actually
52:58
run out of you know SATA ports to plug
53:01
oh more and more solid state drives into because these things are so high
53:04
performance I mean each of these is good for in the neighborhood of half a
53:08
Gigabyte per second so you go ahead and
53:12
you throw 24 of them in an array and we're talking 12 gabes per second of
53:17
theoretical raw read and write speeds what what can handle that kind of
53:23
bandwidth so you're not going to be using your onboard SATA controller on
53:26
your motherboard or anything like that so we actually got not
53:33
one not two but
53:38
three LSI Mega raade 9271 8i uh SAS
53:44
cards uh although they'll be running in SATA mode with these particular ssds but
53:48
uh these are so we have three separate raid controllers so we can overcome the
53:53
internal bottlenecking of even a high-end Standalone RAID controller card
53:59
usually isn't really a problem once you get to the raid the the like dedicated
54:03
card it's usually fine it's usually just when it's on the motherboard that you
54:07
potentially have an issue with Magnetic drives yeah you're going to run into
54:10
bottlenecks pretty quick I mean you start adding more than three ssds to an
54:14
Intel onboard raid solution and you're not you're not going to be getting
54:18
that's what I'm saying ssds on onboard can still cap it pretty quick but those
54:21
you don't usually cap cards very quickly so this is going to be sick um this is
54:26
is going to be uh basically I think what I'm going to go with is a 20 tbte raid
54:32
six with a hot spare and then we actually had Kingston send 25 that's you
54:36
Shug when you said hot spare you know whatever hot spare SSD whatever um so
54:42
for those of you who don't know a hot spare allows the array to be rebuilt
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automatically if one of the drives were to fail or drop out of the array for
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whatever reason and then we actually had them send 25 so we're going to have a
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cold spare as well so if Drive fails and
54:57
the hot spare kicks in we pull that out we throw in the cold spare and we have
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now a hot spare that our cold spare becomes now a lot of people talk about
55:06
how raid is sort of dead and and this is a conversation that gets brought up a
55:11
lot raid is dead for certain applications and it's it's amazing how
55:16
many people saw our 100 terabyte server
55:20
and said why are you running raid I never said I was running raid never once
55:25
did I say I was running raid and there was another thing IED an Instagram
55:28
picture ofing testing on it why are you running Windows on a file server I'm not
55:33
running Windows on a file server I'm running Windows on the client so that I
55:37
can transfer files because our clients are going to be Windows yeah because
55:42
they're video editing machines like the the fact that people just
55:46
assume that anyway so the point is the
55:49
problem with raid they should make the internet the assnet assum net the assum
55:54
net it's short for assnet
55:58
GTA you can steal that in your next game if you want so the problem with raid
56:02
bringing us back on topic is that if you have a drive fail and you've got let's
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say each of your drives is 6 terabytes
56:10
like that uh like that 30 drive or 27 drive system that we have downstairs
56:14
each of your drives is 6 terabytes there is every so often the the laws of
56:22
probability state that you're going to have a bit flip and you're going to have
56:25
data corrup op and once your drives reach a certain capacity the odds of if
56:31
that drive fails trying to rebuild that drive without one of your other drives
56:36
failing during intensive reading become
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so great that you'll basic you're basically guaranteed to have your array
56:44
fail just from trying to rebuild it every time now in practice we have not
56:49
found that to be the case we have we have a large 3 terb Drive array with
56:54
consumer like not the like I have refurb drives in there I'm a bad person we're
56:59
doing it properly this time though I promise um and we have rebuilt that
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array lots of times and in theory you
57:06
know the the theory crafting mathematicians on the internet ton of
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times would suggest that three terab
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Drive is far too big for even a raid six
57:15
and blippity blo blo and the point is we've been lucky or it's fine um but one
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way or another we are running ZFS 2 this time around so we have three pools of
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nine drives Each of which can sustain two Drive failures and then the way that
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ZFS handles rebuilding Drive failures is
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different in such a way as you don't have the odds of the dries failing etc
57:39
etc so um yeah we're kind of doing everything properly this time but
57:43
bringing it back to the ssds these are low enough capacity and high enough
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speed that you can rebuild an array extremely quickly on them and these are
57:53
only for our like our actual daily work server we are going to be doing thanks
57:58
to all the io that we're going to have with these bad boys like I am expecting
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multiple gigabytes per second of raw
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performance from this array with all the io we're going to have we're going to
58:10
have another server uh like another Pool somewhere Elsewhere on the network
58:15
connected via 10 gigabit that is going to be doing we haven't decided exactly
58:19
how often but maybe hourly dumps from the SSD array that everyone's working
58:23
off of at the same time cuz it's going to have Mt iops I'm not going to go too
58:27
far into it cuz none of it solidified but with that new system that you and I were just talking about it can be like
58:32
way faster you think so like all the time really yeah well there you go so
58:37
we're going to have I don't know I I should just go straight up raid zero on
58:40
it then no I shouldn't that's really stupid 24 Drive raid zero is straight
58:45
stupid with that said my eight Drive raid zero in my personal
58:51
rig did it it it's it's it's is that you still have that right 100% fine yeah
58:55
exactly yeah but it's these are actually going to be used in a way that my
58:59
personal ring doesn't get used like they're going to be hammered so that's a
59:03
whole little bit different yeah overall written data is going to be quite
59:07
different holy cow it is after 6 it is we started really late how is that even
59:12
possible we started really we were on page two of eight in the dock we made it
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to page two oh wow we did we're basically bad
59:20
people yeah um okay so posted by syntax
59:24
vgm on the Forum right uh Google gives a
59:28
response to the EU antitrust
59:31
investigations that would have the EU um
59:35
attempting to find Google on the order
59:38
of multiple billions of dollars what was this maybe should have find Bell that
59:42
much have we talked about Bell yet we haven't we'll talk about Bell later maybe they I can I the problem with this
59:49
is and I've seen a few people bring this up where was the EU when Google wasn't
59:56
allowing Microsoft to build a YouTube app that is some anti-competitive stuff
60:01
right there yeah whereas the three the
60:05
three things so this is from the Google Blog and I'll I'll give you guys a couple of Snippets from it later but the
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three things that they're accusing Google of doing that are
60:14
anti-competitive are just kind of like one of them is that they're forcing
60:19
they're forcing handset makers to install their applications if they want
60:23
to have the powered by Android branding or whatever and I'm kind of sitting here
60:27
going well they can use
60:30
AOSP they can Fork their own Android and
60:33
you know what then they don't get the Play Store you know what then they don't
60:37
get to take advantage of the ecosystem that's business yeah I
60:46
mean yeah I mean Google's whole thing is
60:49
like here's this free OS if you include
60:53
our services with it it's like here's uh I saw a really good example I think it
60:57
was in the comments on the blog here you know it's like if a shop is like you
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know here's free ice cream if you shop in our store it's like well we don't
61:05
want to shop in your store so we just want the ice cream well that's not how
61:10
that works or or to go to the washroom you have to buy something yeah it's like
61:15
you don't have to use our washroom you can go make your own
61:19
bathroom which probably I don't recommend but anyway the point is couple
61:23
good quotes from here so the European commission has has asked questions about
61:26
our partner agreements these are quotes from the Google Blog it's important to remember that these are voluntary
61:30
partner agreements with that said they the word on the street is that they have
61:35
been kind of Hardline about how the partner agreements work and whether you
61:39
can make the secret Google Club thing
61:42
yeah the whole secret Google Club thing um so if the EU kind of blows that open
61:47
a little bit and we find out Google has been doing uncompetitive things and this
61:50
is a whole other ball of wax but right now Google is very much on the defensive
61:54
they're talking about how anti fragmentation agreements ensure that apps work across all different sorts of
61:59
Android devices whether it's a phone or a TV box or streaming device or whatever
62:03
else the case may be um our app distribution agreements make sure people
62:07
get a great outof the-box experience with useful apps on the home screen
62:11
right there so part of Google's requirements that you're going to have to have your your Gmail and your Chrome
62:16
browser and all that stuff right on the home screen something that doesn't
62:19
personally bother me like it's are we going to tell Apple they can't have
62:23
Safari on the iPhone I don't care Apple's going to be like right there
62:28
buddy we're going to put Safari wherever we want to and that is different and I
62:33
know please do not flood my inbox I know
62:36
apple is not entering an agreement with a handset maker to blippity bloopity I
62:41
get it but the point is that to control the end user experience and I don't mean
62:45
control I mean protect the end user experience because quite frankly the
62:50
kind of software that the handset makers
62:53
and the carriers will load on your phone if Google doesn't push Chrome and Gmail
62:57
down your throat is a lot worse um
63:00
historically I forget where I was going with this anyway the point is yes it's
63:04
different but I don't necessarily object to it as long as Google's applications
63:07
are better but that's where the whole
63:10
antitrust thing comes in and allegedly Google is using their position as a
63:15
dominant player to not allow anyone to try anything better and not you know um
63:21
not give smaller application makers a chance to compete yeah so we'll be I'll
63:26
be following this I'll be really interested to see if we end up with like
63:29
a version of Android with no Internet Explorer and MSN Messenger um or maybe
63:35
with Internet Explorer and MSN Messenger remember that was the result of the
63:38
Windows antitrust yeah I was like what did you even yeah that was a little bit
63:43
of a gotcha all right so original poster
63:46
for our next one is Victoria Secret and Tesla home battery details emerge and
63:51
these things are freaking cool they're awesome they're awesome it's like a up
63:55
yes for your entire home and basically it's like a it's like a big is that
64:00
offal photo I don't think so I don't think that's official photo because the
64:05
word on the street is they're going to be they're going to stick a little bit above ground they're going to be nice
64:09
looking and they should be like separate from your home I think you can install
64:12
solar cells on top of them ignore this
64:16
ignore the photo just relax your the photo bugs me relax your boobies um so
64:21
here's some here's some supposed details from people that uh so a stock analyst
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for Global equities research has sent a note to his investors with some details
64:30
he claims 230 California homes currently
64:33
have a Tesla home battery installation that there are another hundred in homes in other states so here's the word on
64:38
the street the battery has to be installed at 1.5 ft above the ground and
64:41
should have an open space of one feet on each side that's a third of a meter for
64:45
the uh Europeans um or half of a meter for the
64:49
first part the battery does not make any noise does not need any maintenance and
64:53
has no drippings that's good it has probably DPP for a battery that would be
64:57
horrible the battery includes an inverter so you can take your AC power
65:00
and charge the battery it's about 3T tall and 2 and 1/2 ft wide so it's about
65:04
1 meter by. five of a meter or four four
65:07
fths of a meter excuse me and looks good and the installer offered a choice
65:11
apparently between a 10 KW hour battery and a 15 KW hour battery pricing for the
65:16
10 kwatt hour is said to be in the $113,000 US range not too shabby if you
65:24
are really smart like uh this this strapping young man
65:29
yeah the one owner is apparently charging his battery at night when
65:34
electricity is cheaper in the area and then selling it back to his utility
65:38
company during peak hours for a profit estimated 12 to15 a month pretty much
65:43
covering the monthly amortised cost of the battery which you can buy on a
65:46
10-year payment plan yeah wow you put down about 1,500 bucks uh it will then
65:52
be about monthly $15 a month for 10 years something along those lines yeah
65:57
but then if you do that sell it back thing it might be nothing yeah which is
66:02
kind of awesome that's kind of smart yeah um yeah very very cool and I mean
66:06
just the idea of do we remember how long these are going to run your home no I
66:11
can't remember anymore I remember when we were initially talking about this and I can't do the 10 or 15 wat hour math
66:16
right now in my head so um very very cool it's like a gigantic ups for your
66:20
house though I think it's freaking awesome and I'm excited about the sell
66:24
it back to the grid thing although I do have to wonder if a lot of people jump
66:28
on this if the potential money from that will go down uh it'll I think it'll go
66:33
down but I don't think it'll go down fast or dramatically enough to be a
66:37
problem because the thing about the peak hours thing is that that's peak hours
66:42
there's nothing the utility company can do about it if they need the extra
66:46
electricity well they can either buy it back from their customers which creates
66:49
Goodwill with their customers or they can buy it from out of state which does
66:54
nothing yeah yeah yeah nothing beneficial so but if they if they're
66:58
buying it back from the customers and there's a massive amount of customers
67:01
that are willing to sell it it's going to be minuscule amounts like I think I
67:04
don't think it's going to turn into a problem I mean maybe like in the Bay
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Area it becomes an issue right but like
67:11
like we're the the early adopter centralville you know yeah yeah um but
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even Tesla's down there exactly okay anyways yeah all
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anymore oh no but maybe fresh books
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haven't even begun to touch that are excellent okay Overlord end Gadget posts
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Ikea has introduced a range of wireless charging lamps and tables I still think
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they've completely missed the boat with the design of these I think they're
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hideous um and I did call for a wireless
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charging bedside lamp quite some time ago as sorry go ahead not necessarily
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like that not like this a number of you pointed these out to me and went hey I
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think lonus thought of this no similar
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similar I had like it yeah it was like I
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you know the stupid thing is like I'm not an artistic person so I have this
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Vision in my head of what it should look like but for me to actually get that
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into a 3D modeling program or even on a pie of paper is impossible for me um but
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basically mine would like I think wireless charging would be an optional
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sort of thing like you could have a module that goes into it that allows you to add wireless charging but it would
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actually just be a cable organizer and USB cables that allow you to keep all
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your all your phones in one place and and stuff like that anyway I think it's
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really cool I think it's really Forward Thinking I don't like the designs but
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there's plenty of time for that to be improved they support the chi standard
76:22
um the thing about Chi is it just keeps not going away I mean what is it power
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mat or what what's the other one I don't remember Chi versus I I've never really
76:34
gotten that super into uh wireless charging because I don't think it's that
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great yeah CH versus PMA it's great for certain things having the wireless dock
76:42
in the in the car thumbs up because when
76:45
I'm using navigation is when I hit my battery hardest so on on like that dock
76:50
where it holds it yeah yeah that's no that's cool but like the bedside wiress
76:55
charging I've never understood no I'll just plug in my phone nor unless but the
76:59
thing is is do you want to wear out your micro USB connector cuz that's a thing but then
77:03
wireless charging heats up your phone where's at your battery I don't have an
77:07
Android phone right now right so you you straight up can't take advantage of
77:10
wireless charging at all but I wouldn't want to because the connector on here is way better than micro USB Get Wrecked
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bro it really is it's so much better you can sleep with it under your pillow and
77:19
not worry about it like there's there's there's I'm still there's still things I
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really like about Android but I don't miss micro USB at all not even remotely
77:27
this cable is just so much better and like USBC is pretty cool this one's
77:31
better at being reversible yep 100% yep and like buy a lot yep so I don't know
77:37
that's kind of unfortunate all right Mac rumors.com
77:41
says the Apple watch is or actually I
77:44
don't know if this code is from them or from Business Insider but um Global
77:49
Apple watch pre-orders exceed 2.3
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million units so to put this in perspective Pebble has sold about over 1
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million SmartWatches since they started
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ever and apple and apple allegedly we're
78:08
not going to get sales numbers until Apple decides to disclose them but Apple
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allegedly pre-order sold 1 million on
78:17
the first day so is the Apple watch a
78:20
success commercially pretty much yes it
78:24
already is um is the Apple watch a succcess as a
78:28
product I haven't tried one yet I do
78:31
want to try one I'll get my hands on one at some point I'm not going to worry about being the first one with an Apple
78:35
Watch or anything like that so I'll pick one up whenever I kind of feel like it
78:38
and then um once I try it I'll let you guys know if it manages to change my
78:43
mind but I really am I am really not
78:46
convinced based on everything that I know about the spec based on everything
78:49
I know about the functionality and based on everything that I've read between the
78:53
lines in the initial review even from remember guys the people who
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are getting early Apple watches are going to be apple zealots or they are
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going to be longtime Apple coverage providers abiding by all the rules that
79:07
allow them to continue to get Apple products seated to them apple is
79:10
notorious for like you know what the people that we deal with are pretty darn
79:15
good about if we give a negative review to something from Corsair they're like
79:20
okay and they'll send us the next one and hope it does better um apple is
79:25
notorious for if you don't if you don't
79:28
you know Walk the Line properly you can get your whole publication cut off not
79:34
just yourself personally so you got to
79:37
you have to read between the lines on an Apple review and I read an awful lot of
79:41
tepid positivity so I don't know I I'll try it
79:45
interesting we'll see how it goes Akita in the twitch chat says in all capital
79:48
letters for someone who doesn't like apple you sure report on them a lot well
79:53
they're pretty important they've sold more SmartWatches than everyone else
79:57
combined in like they haven't even shipped any yet they're just pre-selling
80:02
I still prefer my Android phone I use this for one specific app that isn't on
80:06
Android that I need um for some backend
80:10
stuff uh but irregardless to that
80:13
Apple's extremely important and things that they do shape the industry y you
80:17
have you guys have to understand this is our job yeah we can't just ignore Apple
80:22
because Apple's a Bad Company Steve Jobs
80:25
is bad like we can't we can't we can't job is dead we can't Fanboy like that
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it's not it's not about that for us we have to look at what they do or what
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they don't do and we have to compare it to what others do or don't do and then
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we have to evaluate it based on our experiences with the product and if we
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don't talk about it and we don't look into it and we don't try it and we don't
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use it then everything we say is basically worthless at that point in my
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mind yeah like I would not pay attention
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to an Android phone review from someone who only uses Apple devices it's not
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useful um and that's why I mean that's why it took me I think it took me about
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a year to really get to the point where I could I could do Android phone
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coverage that I think is I think is
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contributing something as opposed to just regurgitating what everyone else is
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saying because I had been just an Apple user up until then and you just there's
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there's so many little tiny differences
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and they're changing all the time that you just basically have to use them both
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in order to keep track of it that's why you guys will actually see where is it y
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mine's in my office I still carry my Moto X I am almost always carrying the
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only I actually tried to leave both my phones in my office the only reason why this one is here is because uh I needed
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my like signin code for Twitter right
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and so I got Nick to go grab it because I can't move very well so moving on to
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not Apple um NZ New Zealand VPN
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providers set to be sued by TV networks
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two providers in New Zealand and this was uh this is from kit guru.net two
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providers in New Zealand refused to put
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harsher blocks in place for their users
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to keep them from accessing overseas outof country content circumventing the
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licensing agreements that are in place for television and or movie programming
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so a popular usage model for vpns is
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accessing us Netflix which is infinitely better than every other Netflix combined
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with the exception of I've heard the UK is okay but I haven't I haven't really
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used it much so tvz and Sky TV networks
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claim that by offering VPN service call plus and bypass Network Services are
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complicit in customers watching overseas content I don't really see how it's any
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of anyone's business what you know if
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you're a VPN company I I really I really don't understand I'm with call plus and
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BNS here it's none of our business what our customers are accessing through the
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VPN the entire reason they're using a VPN is for their privacy yes and
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basically they're the only two it appears or at least they're the only two
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major ones that refused to stop offering
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that service to their customers apparently most of the other VPN services in New Zealand
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complied um with the with the TV networks putting pressure on them to not
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allow that to be done by their users very interesting
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I mean this is something that is going to come to a head and this is something
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that I I think the I think the TV networks are going to win this one
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because you look they're going to keep putting pressure I mean okay the thing
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is is that these are the same companies that control the licensing deals for the
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content yeah so at some point n they're
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going to be like Netflix is going to be like oh we can't stop it and they're
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going to be like figure it out and that's going to be that I think
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that's exactly how that's going to go and they can stop it it's pretty easy to
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figure out when people are VPN it's not that hard they will be fine
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um I wish they wouldn't but they're not going to get away with it which is unfortunate but a thing this is a pretty
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cool little product um on the subject of we've talked a lot about server crap on
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this wo but this is a really really cool little piece of server crap um I'm going
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to go ahead and try and make this bit man I hate scaling it's like I have to
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go like to zoom level 67% to make this
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ag even work um so the super micro X10
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sdv tln 4f man they need better names
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for their motherboards it's super micro they never will yeah I know this is a
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really cool motherboard now to be perfectly honest I have no idea who the
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hell it's for straight up no idea it's
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got a PCI Express 16x slot it's got six
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SATA 3 ports supporting raid it has four
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dim slots supporting quad Channel ddr4 up to 100 28 gigs it has an onboard CPU
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so it has a built-in CPU it has dual 10
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GB Lan
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I oh I don't think it's a storage
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server Because unless you're running raid with like a hardware raid card
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you're going to be CPU bottleneck in all
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likelihood I don't think it's you know a
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web server because what do you need dual 10 gabit NX for I don't think it's like
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I don't understand what this product is it's really cool you run a datab base
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off of it for web but you wouldn't need that wow okay this computer just I'm
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done okay it has an m.2 Port like cuz
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lots of RAM can be really good for databases yeah but if you running a
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database why does it need to be Mini ITX I don't know why are you running a mini
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ITX database server what are blades no
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blades are going to be those uh those super skinny motherboards I mean you could do like a
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a super shallow
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oneu you're already using up a oneu yeah yeah yeah and you can get shallow racks
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power consumption is very low 90 Watts under load Under full CPU how much is it
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cuz if you just get a bunch of extra cool features it's going to be way too
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much isn't it $950 yeah but the problem is the price
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of the CPU so it's a Zeon d540 embedded zeeon and Intel is pricing
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that chip right up there with the with the E5 series zons like it's not it's
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not pricing it like an atom you know yeah um so very very cool and the these
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guys actually this is this is pretty cool this is a serveth home.com I got
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that one I think but you're going to have to get future links cuz this laptop
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is they did uh they did some pretty sweet thermal imaging so they're showing
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where the uh the ncks are heating up showing the CPUs is actually staying
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quite cool I really want to get a thermal imaging camera I don't even know
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what we'll do with it I just want one look at graphics cards be like
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oo look at the thing toasted it's hot
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okay moving on I'm amazed at how many sorry this is
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totally random thought I'm amazed at how many people bought the sleepest for
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t-shirt yeah cuz like after we
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designed the shirt it was one of those things where that was another one of
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those like I woke up in the middle of the night or rather I was still awake in
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the middle of the night and I was like you know Gamers don't sleep we should
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have like a shirt that's like that's like for gamers and then I was like my
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cat is sleeping on me he's sleeping sleep is for cat that's
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funny so I was like yeah we need like this artwork with like a cat sleeping on
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the gamer and like I've got I've got guys like this completely uselessly
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expressing their concern about the design the like after the campaign is
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live when the design is literally already done it was never shown the
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design and going like oh that's not that
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that's not real safe for school and safe for work I don't know if people are
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going to be able to wear that I was like I think a lot of people bought it that
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aren't necessarily going to I think a lot of people bought it as like a house
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shirt and some people wear it outside and that's fine but like I could never
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wear like I'm my mom did the W show
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really close to that campaign and she was like I can't wear that shirt on the show and I was like yep wasn't even
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thinking about it don't worry about like not going to happen like I could never
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wear that around my Mom it just wouldn't happen because yeah sure you're talking
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about a cat there's a literally a picture okay sure there's a picture of a
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cat on fine whatever you want I mean it's just like this shirt the cat's
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playing with a ball yeah Holy balls yeah
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that's the kind of balls I'm talking about of course it is there's no
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innuendo in here nope none at all apple
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is apparently worried this was posted by Victoria Secret that Samsung is simply
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not going to make enough chips uh for
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the iPhone 6 uh so Apple needs A9 chips
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which if I recall correctly are what 14 nanometer manufacturing process like
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this is some state-of-the-art freaking stuff here the original article here is
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from Business Insider and apparently Samsung has increased their projections
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for the Galaxy S6 based on excellent sales by roughly 40% to 50 to 55 million
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units for the full year so Samsung also
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needs their state-of-the-art manufacturing facilities to make their
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own chips and as much as you know you can have contracts and agreements in
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place and blippy Bluey blah blah blah really there's nothing that Apple
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can do if Samsung decides to you know do
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a run of a a NES and then do three runs
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of their own processors and then do a one run of A9 and you know oh you three
89:56
for us one for you sorry that that that batch of A9 didn't work out very well so
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you know whatever put all their defective units into the A9 batch and
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take all the good ones from the A9 batch and be like H it's interesting too bad
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yours sucked sorry so um so sorry sorry
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uh did sorry I said iPhone I said iPhone
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6 uh this is actually A9 for the rumored
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upcoming iPhone sorry sorry sorry um so
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basically yeah A9 they're worried they won't be able to
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build enough they're moving some of their orders to tsmc and apparently this is because
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Global foundaries the spin-off from AMD from a number of years back is having
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trouble with 14 nmet Intel is the only one that seems to have not had really
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and even they had some trouble with 14 N I think they had more time working on it
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didn't they well yeah they did but that's because they're always ahead of
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the I know but that's what I'm saying like they might have had just as many
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troubles just it wasn't really go time so was
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fine I'm I'm slowly cashing up here all
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right well no I think that's pretty much it how did you get that booted it just
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like was like no oh you right we have two of them LOL I think one of our ssgs
91:06
just outright failed yep in the Jay-Z yep which is like there's no excuse for
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that because there's lots of cooling here's the one that wasn't
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working and here's the other one so I hot swapped laptops mid show awesome but
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it was useless yeah midow is sort of a sort of a at the end at the end of the
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show all right well thank you very much guys for tuning in we will see you next
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week same bat Time same bat channel is
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that from like super old school Batman yeah yeah okay that's exactly where
91:36
someone was asked me where it was from the other day and I was like I'm pretty sure it's super old school
91:41
Batman worked this time yeah it sometimes just not always
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you're not even trying to sing along with it I was making the noises of them
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moving carrying the couch and stuff
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Christmas fresh backa