NVIDIA'S BIGGEST VIDEO CARD EVER - WAN Show May 12, 2017
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·Linus Tech Tips
·2018-05-06
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all right ladies and gentlemen welcome
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to the W show I mean it was a
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joke what was that that bit there that I just did oh I mean no this isn't the w
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show no no there it is the W show and they are welcome they just aren't any
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ladies uh we've got a great show for you guys today uh Intel is rumored to be
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working on core I9 processors so uh wow
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that's been what 7 years in the work since the original rumors maybe this
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will finally be over four cores on a consumer day NVIDIA announces the first
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well what do we call it we can't call it a video card cuz it won't even have like
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video outputs but but but it's a it's a GPU okay first Volta GPU it's the
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biggest they've ever made and uh what
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else we got here uh I don't know where it went but maybe
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that's part of the whole deal there's oh here it is there's a NSA derived
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ransomware worm that is just going everywhere and screwing huge companies
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over and it's it's scary and bad and we'll talk about that also where did it
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go the UK police start using minority reportes aai to help decide the fate of
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inmates o really apparently all right so
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let's uh roll that intro and uh hopefully the world is still here when
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we come back yeah no guarantees though
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harm assessment risk to Heart
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huh forecast that there were low risk 98% of the time oh yeah LTX
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what a good link we decided not to shorten that at all what is ticket
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that heck yeah yeah cuz it's gone squares SP what
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Isco I mean I know co.uk but what oh
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wait hold on all oh wait no jeez everything's for the show's over
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now you played it twice crap okay well thanks for tuning in see you again next
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week uh okay but in all seriousness we have some huge news now that jamesg
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gravity so that's James forgravity on Twitter is off probation he will reply
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to all Emoji sentences with an emoji
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sentence only tweets from now till Sunday count I guess this has be been
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creating problems for him actually getting too many people sending nonsense
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uh with with his at TAG added um also in
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other very does have anything to do with being off probation he just is excited I I get it
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okay I get it I mean were you excited when you were off probation you didn't
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have to check in with your officer anymore I was going to say I don't think
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I even like officially had one oh did your mom even know about that she watches this show doesn't she oh yeah no
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she I didn't tell her about that sorry mom we'll talk about that later I had
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other important news too I forget what it was though I guess it couldn't have
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been that important oh yes Brandon has
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brought the world's most horrendous
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snack you're into this office oh thank
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you he so he pulls me over onto a set to
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do like a um and this okay this is not a
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sponsored bit no this stuff is trash
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complete and absolute trash Nong shim
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you should never produce no get out of here get that's not
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true trash okay sorry I'm I'm covering
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you up I'm just like trash trash cover it
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up rude so he brings me over there to to
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do like a like a bit for b-roll he's like look relaxed look lazy so I'm
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sitting on the couch with my my bag of what is presumably actually
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food on my on my my tummy I go and I
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grab one I throw it in my mouth and I'm just
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like I I swear just about tossed it
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these are disgusting okay so there's a concept there's a concept that I call
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here why don't you um why don't you why don't you grab a couple throw throw them
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in your mouth we'll get here you're you're drifting okay here yeah there we go okay
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okay so there's a concept that I call I actually learned this from my old boss
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at NC they don't smell as bad as they taste called calorie worthy hold on can
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I have this back there's some nutritional facts on these things so
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it's one thing for something to have 20%
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of your daily fat intake per 50
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gram and there's another thing Al together for it to taste like absolute
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garbage at the same time okay to be fair like they don't taste great but they
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just don't taste like anything I don't know how you had a strong reaction you
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don't taste like I can rotting
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ocean yeah and your breath is going to be like I think I smell like oan Savage
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I'm not going to have anymore cuz I don't want to scare people away from a
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block away but um like I can smell it
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really strongly now that I ate it but like it tastes like like really really
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really thin Airy Rice Krispie or not Rice Krispie uh what are those called
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it's made out of rice krispy stuff I think like uh rice crackers yeah yeah so
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tastes like rice crackers with an infusion of rotting shrimp yeah a little
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bit absolutely disgusting but it's not super strong like I did you gag on it
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almost almost gagged definitely had to spit it out I didn't try to swallow it
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like I didn't I didn't have that reaction oh I cannot eat that trash
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that's horrible yeah all right the smell
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the smell the smell turns me off it completely that is not a good smell okay
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um this was originally posted by kamesh
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SS on the Forum Intel is rumored to be
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working on wait what what forum is this oh this is a non-tech forum okay very
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right Intel is rumored to be working on core I9 processors so let's go ahead and
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pull up this exclusive Post in the Anan Forum by
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sweeper the diamond member and oh whoops
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it helps if I plug in my laptop dang it I've got a diamond member do you have a
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diamond member sounds hard yeah rock
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hard Diamond hard the hardest yeah uh
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there we go okay that's better um so
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this is the rumored Sky Lake X lineup cor I 9
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7920x whatever that means cor I9
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7900x so apparently they all have X's that's 12 cores and oh oh oh are they
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all extreme editions are they all so everything core I9 is Extreme does that
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make sense to you no you know what though what I'll say is these specs
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actually look like they make a fair bit of sense I don't know about the names
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but 12 core 24 thread based on what we know about Skylake um and its improved
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power profile versus Broadwell that probably makes sense for a new extreme
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Edition and then this generation they went okay two
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cores down and otherwise mostly
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unaffected um with really good you know turbo speeds or whatever so as a as a so
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we've got a 6950x and we've got a 6900 K right now so these look like The
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Replacements there we got a 12 and a 10 core um which is cool more cores I'm
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never going to say no to that then moving down this is where I don't like
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it but it starts to make again a lot of sense six core that's an X though yeah
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so it looks like they're changing it so that anything um HT high-end desktop so
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that's lga's 1866 2011 20113 and then I
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forget what this one's going to be but it's the one that's coming um it looks
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like those are all going to be X and all going to be core I9 now um so these next
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two down which will probably be like the the the
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$700 and the like5 $450 $500 one look
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like they're going to be eight and six core with only 28 PCI E lanes and with
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the six core really getting kicked in the teeth as far as turbo boost goes so
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it's not getting a new turbo 3.0 this is all rumored though and then this is a
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fairly well substantiated rumor that we're going to get a like a KB Lake
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X on the high-end desktop platform that
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and I I don't get these SKS at all like
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at all but they're basically going to be higher
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TDP cor i77700 k
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70 core I 5 7600k that are called 7740 that you have
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to have a much more expensive motherboard in order to install same PCI
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E Lanes uh same size cash four cores
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four threads for the I5 or I guess it's an i7 it's an i7 with no
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hyperthreading but I'm finally going to have to what I'm finally going to have
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to I didn't even notice that on the bottom one I'm going to have to redo that video now
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um and then four course eight threads on the on the I on the actual i7 that's
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yeah I don't I don't get this so I don't know if you remember
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this but back when Intel split the lineups so
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lga775 was the last time we had extreme
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Edition all the way down to Celeron on
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the same socket yep um then what happened was Intel launched LGA 1150 56
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so that was Linfield and what happened with the LG
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1156 was that all of a sudden we got
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this um wait hold on let me think for a
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second was it 1156 first or did they launch 1366 first uhoh I might be
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getting myself into trouble
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here sorry what's that 66 was first it was 1366 first yeah 68 and then what
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happened was they launched 1156 and then they so we got Linfield
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and then we got what what was it Ivy Bridge after lynfield no Sandy Bridge
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Sandy Bridge was the first one to switch it up so Sandy Bridge switched it up right and Sandy Bridge was on the same
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platform as
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lynfield a dang it I'm getting my Intel history mixed up you know what why don't
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you do another topic while I double check this stuff okay and then we'll uh
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we'll get back to it I'm pretty sure everything JRE said was right though I I
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am I am too but I also just want to uh I
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couldn't really hear him very well anyway and if I just put it in front of me and then I will feel better sure a
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lot of these are like either topics yeah
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no it's okay NVIDIA releases GeForce
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experience 3.6 that's news apparently uh
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posted by the dark potato uh Shadow play now supports additional rendering apis
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including openg G and Vulcan and the usability has been streamlined
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apparently allowing easy uploads to Facebook if you wanted to do that uh
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twitch and Google from an improved overlay but probably still is taking
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Telemetry data um to a certain degree and still requires a full login to use
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um so I will still continue to not have
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it on any of my computers so it's not going to help me at
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all okay okay here we go yeah so so LGA
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1366 here we go so we had 75 everything
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was unified we got LGA 11 LGA
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1366 which was this Bonafide highend
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platform it had triple Channel memory it had more PCIe Lanes my dad still runs it
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um at some point later on it ended up
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getting up to six core processors which
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was pretty darn dope AF as the kids say
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um in fact the core i7 980 X I believe
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it was called here we go that
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one launched q120 so I believe that came out right
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with the platform launch as I recall anyway so Bonafide higher end platform
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then we got Clarkdale and lynfield on LGA
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1156 then what Intel did was they gave
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us the consumer upgrade to that which
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was Sandy Bridge first first before
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giving us Sandy Bridge e on LGA
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2011 if I recall correctly again oh wow
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I really hope I'm not making another mistake did we get Sandy Bridge e on
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1366 this is terrible this is the worst W show segment that I have ever done I
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was too po to care about these at that time done well it was my job to sell it
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so um so it definitely yeah so we got uh
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we got a halum and then
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uh wow this is oh this is incredibly unhelpful Microsoft unveiled a Windows
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mixed reality controller thing Microsoft
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has announced controllers to support new mixed reality and VR headsets coming
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from the likes of Acer and HP the controllers will rely on Inside Out
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tracking technology so you won't need to set up any special sensors around your
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room in order to actually use them um they have a thumb stick like the Oculus
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touch a touch pad like the Vive and a wlike design with a tracking ring on the
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end I don't think we're going to be able to get this on stream um Acer will offer
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them bundled together with its Windows VR headset for a $100 premium yeah no I
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do I have you uh oh I see give me a second yes we
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got this there so they look kind of like a hybrid
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almost it's interesting
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okay they sort of look like someone was like Hey we're the new players maybe if
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we just wedge ourselves exactly in between we'll see if we can do
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okay cuz they look they look like Vive controllers that someone tried to like
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wrench an Oculus controller onto yeah if
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they're light they could be pretty comfortable they got to get the waiting right and it's hard to say like if the
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base of the handle was had kind of some heft to it like if that's where the
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battery is yeah then I could I could kind of see this uh I could kind of see
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this being okay okay so anyway yes um go back for
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one quick second oh yes and here's
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pictured the Acer VR headset oh so I've talked to Acer about this uh right now
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Dev kits only they are not seeding them to press um but we are definitely
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interested in getting our hands on one of these to check out um I at the Acer
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event that I was at in New York um Microsoft's like head AR guy came on
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and was talking about how this headset is apparently actually pretty fantastic
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yeah um so I don't know I mean it's a keynote so like who knows yeah it could
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be nonsense but uh there you go there's someone somewhat credible who came and
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said a thing that might be believable yeah um okay okay okay so yes I was
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right so Sandy bridie went on to socket 2011
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uh and that happened after we had gotten sandybridge architecture on the
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mainstream platform anyway the whole point of all of
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that was the rumor the word on the
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street was that for LGA
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1366 it was rumored that in addition to
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the core i7 920
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930 and oh I don't want to get this
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wrong I don't remember if the 950 came later whatever whatever the launch
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lineup was they were all core i7s the
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rumor was that there was going to be a higher-end core
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I9 okay and that never did materialize
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we did get extreme Edition dual socket
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platforms but Intel never formally called those core I9 those ended up with
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names like uh I think it was cor i7
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9775 was the end of QX no
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qx9775 was the end of uh actually that
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was on LGA 771 so what was uh what was
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uh what was the one after after skull
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Trail I think it was just I tuned out trying to find a new new so after that
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so you were basically just expected to put uh zons in them as I recall
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correctly so EVGA
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sr2 so they had the classified sr2 it was dual 136 6 but people basically just
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put zons in them so there you go that's what that's what went down there um so
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finally core I9 is Raising its head again and maybe we will see a core I9
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but maybe not I've also seen other rumors that have suggested that it's
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just going to be more core i7s but I
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think that would oh man the the lineup is getting so confusing here if there's
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any truth to this rumor whatsoever it's going to be like what is a core i5 you
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know what though there's another way to look at this uh-huh this is very good
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for us this is fantastic for us this is
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terrible for like almost everyone else but like us and Paul and Kyle and
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demitry and other like Tech YouTube people fantastic written article people
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great so everybody wins except except for all of the
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consumers okay well I guess I'm okay with
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that cuz we're going to have to make videos explaining what the hell is going
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on this probably going to be a tech Ricky video explaining what the heck and
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I9 is that means for everything else I'm going to have to completely redo that
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video John is going to have to completely redo that video a big
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explanation of of the technical overview of these processors when it comes out is
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going to have to be like okay what the heck even is this you can check out the
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tech cookie video but here's a short explanation blah blah blah all right
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let's get into we actually don't always talk about you know know the security
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exploit dour on the WAN Show just because you know there are other
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Publications that I think handle that kind of security stuff a little bit more
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in depth than we do than we do yeah we're not going to dive into it as far
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but this posted originally on the Forum by Master disaster the original article
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here is from RS Technica is sort of a
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big deal okay drop a knowledge bomb Luke here we go so there's a bunch of
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different things going on with this I actually don't know enough about it to be completely honest but if you want
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like springboard points uh W kryptor it
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was spotted a few weeks ago the ransomware was not really distributed
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that much and then suddenly W and Cryptor exploded and began spreading
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like wildfire through an explor called Eternal blue one thing that's freaky
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with all this kind of stuff is a lot of it's derived from NSA Tech and it's
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ransomware so big companies are getting hit their servers getting locked down
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encrypted and the key is being sold to
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them for I believe it's like $300 but then who the heck knows if that
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even works yep that's like the core concept of the whole issue and it's
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being distributed like a worm so it's spreading extremely fast hitting a ton
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of I think it's countries for the viewers who don't
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know that's a really kind of a big topic
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okay um that's fine I mean the the the the 30 second sort of a worm versus like
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opening up an attachment on your computer it's going to try to grow
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itself and it's going to try to travel around and expand by itself it's not
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it's not like a targeted attack they're not going we want lonus Tech tip servers
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I'm going to try to hit this dude with it they're letting it try to crawl
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around on its own got it so
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organizations in at least 74 countries have been affected with Russia being
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disproportionately affected followed by Ukraine India and Taiwan it is spreading
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at a rate of about 100 IPS per minute
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now there is an insane amount of ips out there but that is really fast uh they're
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demanding like I said about $300 to $600 paid in Bitcoin
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unsurprisingly um by May 15th or if you miss that deadline there
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will apparently be a higher fee by May 19th and the messages left on the screen
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say files will remain encrypted it's not clear if there are flaws in the
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encryption scheme that might allow the victims to restore the files without
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paying the ransom it's a little unlikely I'd say according to an article posted
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by Madrid based elmundo 85% of computers
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at telefonica Spain's dominant Telecom are affected by the worm although that
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has not been confirmed woo wow so basically
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um I set up snapshotting on our sh
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today I hadn't gotten around to it yet on the Vault yeah um so that's a
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thing uh so actually I I guess this this leads us to
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a pretty good discussion I guess around how to protect yourself against
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ransomware yeah so one of the ways in
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would you the most effective way is what
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SN snapshot is good but you it would be very helpful if you saved snapshots on a
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service that wasn't always connected because it's a worm so it could just
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potentially encrypt both of them then you have two ransomware machines um okay
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so the way okay so okay okay okay so let's back up a little bit snapshotting
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what it does is without um without
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creating a completely separate copy like snapshotting a a 70 let's see how big is
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the Vault right now 160 terabytes is how much data we're actually using right now
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snapshotting A 160 terabyte um
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share by duplicating it would be super
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dumb yeah like using up 320 terab of
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space just to have another copy would be bad but that's not how it works the way
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it works is it actually only logs
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changes so you have the original one and then you have logged changes after that
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that's right so let's say I deleted a one tbte folder from my 160 terab that
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means that okay apparently the National Health Service was affected and lots of
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data has been lost wow lots of patient data
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wow okay okay so back to back to how to
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protect yourself okay so what snapshotting does is let's say I deleted
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a one tbte folder from my 160 until I
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reach the end of how long I want to keep my snapshots so you set up a profile
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like say for example you snapshot every hour for 24 hours and then every day for
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seven days and every week for four weeks that would be a pretty typical sort of
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uh load out and then every month for 12 months people might do something along
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those lines um so until that terabyte
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folder that I deleted reaches the end of all of my retention sort of um setup
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reaches all the one big thing to pay attention to
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here is if you're snapshotting everything yes um you want to make sure
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that whatever you're putting it on I was going to explain that but my brain is
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dumb okay okay okay okay so Total Space on
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disk you don't get to get rid of stuff you've deleted until after it's like
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fallen off the end of how long you retain your snapshots there that's what I was going for well I just am clearly
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unqualified today so basically the way that it works on our servers is that the
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snapshotting is done on the ZFS pool
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level and then the way that the data is
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actually visible over our network is
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through a Som share so we are snapshotting the pool so the snapshots
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themselves are never actually
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visible to anything that is connected to our server via the network so that's one
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way that you can decouple your snapshotting solution from computers on
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the network that because it's a worm and it spreads over the network could
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otherwise infect it and encrypt it because if you think that you're keeping
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your data safe just by having it on a
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Nas that is not the case at all something that gets onally not right now
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something that gets onto your computer if that computer and that user that's
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logged in on your computer has right access to that share it can do whatever
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it wants to it including encrypting the data there did I did I get there
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eventually I I think so and uh one of the mods in the Forum thank you very
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much I'm not going to say your name because it's like actually your full name on here and I don't know if that's
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okay or not um has said that depending
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on how your snapshots are set up it may be useless against something like this
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worm uh because it is designed to delete Windows File history backups Shadow
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volume copies Etc so it's it's a little little
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aggressive if you want to be like super
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duper sure one of the things that you could do is back up onto a device like
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an external hard drive or something and then just unplug it yep the easiest way
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to defend against something that is spreading over a network is to not be on
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the network there you go so apparent if if
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we want to keep on diving into this I can go through like the point to point of how it works yeah I would actually
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love to hear about that this is actually in our notes but the the installer
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creates an encrypted zip with all of the malware files the malware files are
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extracted with Ransom notes in all popular languages Wan Cryptor will then
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download a tour client tour is used to communicate with ransomware servers at
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onion addresses it gives everyone permissions to all files and folders all
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database and mail server processes are stopped as data used by these will be
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encrypted too all files are encrypted when encrypted the WN cry extension is
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added it stores the following in every folder that is at pleas
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readme.txt Ransom note at wac crypto.exe
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decryptor um it requests admin privileges from the user with UAC prompt
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to do the following clear the shadow volume copies disable Windows start up
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recovery and clear Windows Server backup history uh the computer background is
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changed and wanted decryptor 2.0 launches with the ransom note in your
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local language language well that's convenient it's actually rather
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sophisticated wow it's a little aggressive so like if you like store
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your super important might get audited tax information or something on like a
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Nas that's like USB plugged into your
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computer so maybe unplug it or
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something an encrypted file
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container could sit there and you might think that
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that's safe but this could actually take your encrypted file container and
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encrypt and encrypt that yeah cuz you have layers of encryption just you
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started mentioning things like tax returns and I know like I'm I was I was
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actually like I'm just I'm thinking about it from an Linus Media Group perspective and I was like okay hold on
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a second where's that container that contains all of lus media groups that
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stuff right yeah that's not that's not safe unless it's on um so so the way
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that I set it up is okay though right I think so yeah we can go over it after
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more if you want I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure um lots of stuff has changed
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since I've been like integral to the server stuff right so I don't 100% know
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but we can go over it all right NVIDIA this was posted by doc on the Forum the
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original article here we have is from pcworld.com
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NVIDIA announces a Volta GPU I did not see this
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one coming I didn't think Volta was coming for a bit actually so for those
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of you who aren't aware this is the update to NVIDIA's Pascal architecture a
29:50
lot of people are saying like oh this is already patched in March a lot of people
29:53
running servers don't automatically download every patch that comes out
29:58
and have their updates disabled which is why it's sort of a big
30:03
deal that's like a super big deal and that's why people are very widely
30:07
talking about companies that are getting affected because a lot of companies might be running servers that don't have
30:11
Windows update enabled or they might have um they might have a domain
30:15
controller that has a policy that you know tells the the entire fleet of
30:20
deployed laptops not to install updates except when they decide to roll them out
30:25
like there's a lot of there's a lot more to the world than just like the way that
30:30
an individual uses a computer so every single person having Windows update on
30:34
automatic is not a reality that we existed I mean that's what we do but no
30:39
no no servers oh servers no but I like
30:44
but okay yeah I'm also a big stupid nerd though and I'm like often in the server
30:49
room at the end of the day and when no one else is here I'll be like oh good no
30:53
one else is here and I'll like install updates and reboot the server so ours
30:57
are probably actually fine I've I've done them pretty recently yeah but like
31:02
there is a lot of people that might not have that update is what I'm trying to
31:05
get across I just you know I do kind of wish that Microsoft would make it clear
31:11
when it's actually that
31:14
important instead of like trying to force you to update to Windows 10 with
31:18
that said you know what um our active directory domain server did uh
31:24
completely restart on its own and that was about three three weeks ago I think
31:30
so I'm actually kind of wondering 3 four weeks ago I'm wondering if that was an
31:34
update getting rolled out and if that was like if that was the like hey you
31:38
actually really need to do this stage and it just did it cuz I tried to log
31:43
into it and it was uh it was hung on the
31:47
like Windows is restarting please don't turn off your computer I'm sitting here
31:51
going really
31:55
really all right back to Volta so this
31:59
is NVIDIA's update to the Pascal
32:02
architecture but if you are wondering
32:05
what relevance this has to your gaming experience in the immediate future the
32:10
answer is very little if none at all
32:14
this thing is an absolute monster this
32:17
could be if not the biggest it is one of
32:20
the biggest pieces of silicon ever made it has a ridiculous
32:29
look at that this article even called it ridiculous ridiculous
32:34
85 millim squar die to put that in
32:39
perspective the biggest gpus we've ever seen and we actually just finished and
32:44
NVIDIA gpus Through the Ages bit um the
32:48
biggest ones we've ever seen things like R9 290x from AMD so
32:53
r600 um I'm trying to remember which ones from NVIDIA that have crept up near
32:59
that 600 mm squared size actually the
33:02
outgoing p100 um was around 600 plus millim
33:08
squared this is like 30% bigger then
33:15
it's it's like it's like it's like building it's like the
33:19
canyonero of gpus and I I guess that
33:23
reference is a little bit dated now but it's it's like 30% bigger than any other
33:29
plane that flew that day um unbelievable
33:33
it's using hbm2 memory and it has over
33:38
5,000 Cuda cor with 21 billion
33:44
transistors this thing is unreal so this will be uh this will be
33:51
the GPU that's the heart of the Tesla
33:54
V100 which is like man I was so bummed
33:59
um cuz I went earlier this week I went down to uh Simon Fraser University to do
34:05
an unboxing of their new supercomputer it hasn't been formally benchmarked yet
34:09
actually like they're still very much installing it the the storage servers
34:13
haven't been spun up yet like it's it's in progress um so I went down to to get
34:19
hands on with it and pretty much as I
34:22
was sliding out a shelf of p100s and I
34:27
was like nerding out over it I got a notification on my phone that NVIDIA
34:31
dropped the v00 I was like this is how it feels to
34:36
be a computer Enthusiast that's pretty brutal I
34:40
literally just touched this for the first time and it's
34:45
obsolete um so not only is this a huge
34:51
die but it's actually using a new
34:54
process technology as well so in instead
34:58
of being 16 nanm this one is 14 nanm as
35:03
I recall 12 nanometer it is 12 nanometer
35:08
what the balls and I think uh Pascal is
35:12
yeah Pascal is 14 nmet sorry so I had I was off by two there freaking crazy
35:18
apparently the R&D budget was over3
35:22
billion so if you had some hope that Vega was going to show up and take the
35:28
wind out of NVIDIA sales um well okay I
35:32
don't know how many people are going to be buying v00 no but this like in terms of
35:38
consumers okay a$3 billion R&D budget
35:41
goes into the architecture yeah that's true that gets you the architecture that
35:45
NVIDIA has demonstrated they've been very good at scaling up and scaling down
35:51
for more and less performance and power consumption um
35:56
so AMD already had no
36:00
answer to Pascal
36:05
yeah poor AMD and if you imagine for a
36:09
moment that AMD had $3 billion to blow
36:13
on Vega you got another thing coming I
36:17
yeah I'm holding out hope I believe they have negative $3 billion to blow in VGA
36:22
I I hope that AMD can do something you
36:26
know crazy here and uh and just kind of
36:30
Blindside everybody but this is this is
36:34
a real shot across the bow not even
36:37
giving AMD a chance to show off Vega's performance before they're like yep we
36:42
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uh yeah so that'll be cool cuz I haven't actually met a ton of them at different
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like conventions and stuff but that might have been the worst bit I ever did
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was pretty that was that was pretty heavy yeah yeah um all right topics
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let's get into let's get back to the wet let's get back into it
44:06
yeah okay so some other big news um AMD
44:11
is pushing another micro code update to improve ryzen so the original article
44:15
here is from tweak toown let's go ahead and pop that up here uh basically
44:18
improved ddr4 support which is good because they don't support DDR3 at all
44:22
so if they can't improve the ddr4 support then we're in a lot of trouble
44:26
um the was leaked by a Gigabyte reps Forum post indicating AMD is pushing out
44:30
the micro code update it will add over 20 new registers for the Summit Ridge uh
44:36
integrated memory controllers to improve compatibility with Intel optimized ddr4
44:41
memory Brands um it'll be deployed
44:44
through motherboard vendors as Motherboard BIOS Updates this is crazy this was posted by
44:49
random HK kit on the Forum and the original article is from the
44:54
BBC UK police to start using minority
44:58
reportes means to help with custody
45:03
decisions what what it has been tested for 3 years
45:11
and is now being readed for a live pilot
45:15
apparently it's 98% I can't even fight on here but I remember um it's
45:20
98% accurate with uh lowrisk offenders
45:24
yeah with low with a suspect of low risk it was accurate 98% of the time and
45:29
forecasts for high-risk suspects were accurate 88% of the time so basically
45:34
it's designed to classify individuals uh
45:38
based on a low medium or high risk of them committing a future offense and
45:43
then to decide whether they should be kept in custody uh the system was made
45:49
uh so using data so the the the tool is called the harm assessment risk tool or
45:56
heart and the data was taken from Durham
45:59
police records between 2008 and 2012 it
46:02
was then tested in 2013 and the results were monitored over the following two
46:07
years so forecasts wow so that so
46:11
basically those numbers are based on real forecasts that they made over the
46:17
last half a decade or so actually almost a decade isn't that incredible I'd like
46:22
to know what they were using for forecasting this data well they're using
46:26
whether they caught them doing something again no like um cuz they're guessing if
46:32
they're going to be doing something or not so how are they guessing that uh
46:37
let's have a look wow I I don't think it's wow here
46:42
we go so the system includes data Beyond
46:45
but also including a suspect's offending history including their postal code and
46:51
gender to some extent what learning models do is bring out into the
46:56
foreground hidden and tacit assumptions that have been made all along by human
47:01
beings so pretty much they're using machine learning to stereotype
47:06
accurately
47:11
yeah that's going to be like I think the
47:14
giant conversation in like four or five years is going to be that yeah it's like
47:19
how much is this becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy yeah it's like
47:23
and I don't I'm not I'm not going to I don't want this to become like one
47:28
of those things where I where I I fell into the Trap where I said I'm not going
47:33
to say that someone whose name starts with H was anything very poorly see I'm
47:37
not going to I'm I'm not going to do that again think that way yeah but like
47:42
what I do what I really start saying like you know skin colors and genders
47:47
and you know backgrounds and jobs basically we're going to be making
47:52
these arguments 5 years from now that this system is creating self-fulfilling
47:58
prophecy of suspicion that that goes
48:01
beyond sort of the your racist grandpa
48:05
or whatever where be like the computer thinks I can't do this right yes which
48:10
is just the system objectively
48:14
empirically has decided that I am a a
48:18
high-risk individual to be a criminal
48:21
and then like does this start becoming public data can that be seen on
48:24
employment records like if you're going to hire someone can you see their risk profile that
48:29
would stop anyone from having the chance of being able to rise above yes which is
48:33
like really brutal that's terrifying I'm super not cool with that um now to be
48:38
clear it's not all the decisions that it is helping or that is helping with seem
48:44
like that big of a deal like one of the things is to decide whether to keep a
48:47
suspect in custody for a few more hours
48:50
whether to release them on bail before a charge or after a charge has been made
48:55
whether to reprimand them in custody now
48:59
that one doesn't sound very good but the bit about for few more hours that's
49:03
probably fine it seems like saving a little bit
49:06
of someone's time instead of like so the forecasting model's output is advisory
49:12
yeah and should not remove discretion from the police officer using a b come
49:17
on except if the police officer's job becomes easier because of this to use it
49:21
and and it becomes an ass covering measure yeah where oh well it told me
49:26
yeah if I'm a cop I'm you know if I know that even 88%
49:32
of the time I'm going to get it right if I just do what the computer tells me and
49:35
like it might it might come to the point where like yeah it's advisory but if you go against the advisory well you went
49:41
against the advice that will raise a flag and you know have to go talk to
49:44
your boss and explain why that's right you went against the best advice that
49:47
you could you created extra paperwork and headache for yourself your boss is
49:51
gonna be pissed off because why do I have to have this stupid meaning you could you should have just gone with the
49:55
computer or whatever wow terrifying um oh cool Microsoft
50:05
confirms keyboard for Xbox one for sure
50:08
and also some mice and in the future they plan on having all mice
50:13
working um now it's going to have to be supported by developers so rip everyone
50:19
but as we already know there's a lot of like emulation stuff that can happen now
50:23
console Gamers can put up with crappy console Port UI
50:27
nonsense yeah that's great like the Grand Theft Auto Options for changing
50:31
your graphical settings that are just broken AF for no reason or hey I loaded
50:36
it again with a minor Hardware change time for those to be all reset press a
50:40
to continue and you're
50:44
like why doesn't work oh enter Oh you
50:47
mean enter or sometimes space bar yeah
50:51
yeah as it were uh that's still pretty
50:54
cool I love that they are finally getting this like convergence thing
50:58
going why did why did we treat the Xbox One like not a computer for so long like
51:04
absolutely is a computer it makes it's so frustrating so it says initially most
51:09
models of mice won't be compatible however a handful of mice will be and
51:13
Microsoft hopes to add support for all mice over time but even then developers
51:16
will have to code support for this new control system into their games that
51:21
could be easy for games that are already developed for Windows with uwp porting
51:26
in mind but it might be a bigger lift for more control Centric de developers
51:31
certain games that are multiplayer I'm so stoked on that yeah it's going to be
51:36
really interesting cuz for a while we've had like these weird we had one in
51:40
office for a little while and it was just so janky and broken that we decided
51:43
not to do a video on it they were like so butt hurt over that they were
51:47
emailing me for like 6 months after well make a better product when is the review
51:51
going up when is the review going up you remember me following up with you I'd be like hey when's that review going up and
51:56
you're just like eventually you're just like
52:00
never I don't remember what company it
52:04
was from but we had this little box where you could plug a keyboard and
52:07
mouse into an Xbox and it was just it
52:10
was just kind of garbage so we never made a video on it but now that it has
52:13
like official support it could be really good yeah NVIDIA's new headquarters will
52:20
be liquid cooled with a triple fan solution the original article here is
52:24
game debate.com and uh it actually looks I think it
52:30
looks kind of dumb but it's a big triangle made up of like tesselated
52:34
triangles and it's going to have two floors and capacity for up to
52:40
2500 employees there will be a large Central Courtyard which every Department
52:44
feeds into and this is an effort to quote unquote capture the energy and
52:48
Buzz of the company hooray
52:56
okay um so that's neat Jensen does not
53:00
have an office here it's another weird random bit of information um he does not
53:06
have an office in the big new headquarters really yep so he's just
53:11
going to like walk around and check on people I or like be somewhere else I
53:16
don't know interesting but yeah apparently there's no office there under
53:19
the floor there's a giant garage and the building has a snaking system of pipes
53:24
that feed into a hidden water tower sunk into the roof of the building um the
53:28
Recycled water is then filtered through an evaporation system utilizing three
53:32
giant fans to keep the building cool so that's that is that is pretty cool uh
53:37
actually um SFU supercomputer is using
53:41
evaporative cooling as well oh cool yeah and the way that they did it is really
53:46
neat so I want to know now you would you would imagine evaporative cooling so on
53:52
the most basic level evaporative cooling would be you've got Cooling tubes you
53:57
expose the water to air flow so that it
54:00
some some of the water molecules evaporate and you effectively cool down
54:05
the remaining droplets to subambient temperatures and then that gets
54:08
circulated but the problem with an open system is that you contaminant you get
54:13
contaminants in it so um oh right and the other thing you
54:18
would probably assume is that the water being pumped around the data center goes
54:22
to the heat generating components like say for example CPUs and GP to use and
54:27
then there's a hot side that carries that water back out to be cooled so two
54:32
things that are going to blow your mind there's the water cooling system for the
54:37
building but there are no blocks installed on
54:40
anything and they're using evaporative cooling but the actual coolant being
54:46
recirculated is not exposed to the elements so how does that work so the
54:52
radiators outside the building there's
54:55
an automated system that when the coolant temperature goes above a certain
54:59
threshold they basically have a big fire hose wow that sprays them down and I was
55:05
like that is so cool so they can maintain their 17°
55:12
coolant Target in up to 30° weather wow
55:18
yes what and then they have uh they have an extra Chiller that can kick in if we
55:23
get like up really high and and you know
55:27
boost the now now back to the servers
55:30
they're all air cooled how are they doing sub ambient um with evaporative
55:34
cooling so by spraying water on the fins
55:37
it it it cools the fins wow that's so much ridiculous so it's not going to be
55:43
just sometimes they're going to spray it fairly often yes okay yeah they were
55:47
saying that in high I thought you were just saying like in particular load they
55:51
would spray it so in high temperature low humidity the water evaporates nearly
55:56
instantly so they can just keep blasting it it gets super cold wow that's wild
56:01
really neat and then in the servers get
56:04
this they are drawing in air from the
56:08
room okay just from the room they're
56:11
just air cooled servers so they've got ducting so there it's all taped up and
56:16
sealed up every cabinet so it so all the air goes in one way there's no there's
56:21
uh there's no kind of like inefficiency from back pressure forcing to be
56:26
recirculated within the cabinet and then
56:29
what they've got is massive radiators on
56:33
the back of every rack that are so thick
56:38
and so dense that when you stand so if you open up the door and stand behind it
56:42
it feels like a server rack it's like freaking hot like 30° C you close the
56:48
door and it's like a cool breeze oh that's so weird it's incredible it's
56:53
amazing and it's super efficient cool
56:56
um so a typical data center I forget what the cuz you're making a video on
57:00
this right oh it's already yeah it's this is in production already I filmed
57:04
it y it's it's lit it's amazing um so a
57:10
typical data center in a perfect I forget what the the scale is you're
57:14
saying it's lit now yeah I know in a perfect world in a perfect world the
57:18
scale is one would be like ideal you can never achieve that yeah free efficiency
57:23
on whatever the scale is a typical Data Center is 1 and 1/2 to two they're at
57:29
1.07 because their cooling system is so efficient because pumping a little bit
57:33
of water especially in Rain couver yeah
57:36
yeah yeah no big deal not a big deal Hydra up here like doesn't matter yeah
57:41
like like like I think I get a water bill but I don't know how much it costs
57:45
cuz it's not a big deal and like even power cuz our power is like waterbased
57:49
so like BC is one of the worst places for solar power I'm like so interested
57:54
in solar power but it's so useless for me because power is relatively cheap and
58:00
we have an extremely low amount of like natural sunlight because we have so many
58:05
clouds um there's like other places in Canada that are way more effective for
58:09
solar power than BC is okay did you talk about this
58:15
before no okay cool this is old news but I'm mad so we're going to talk about it
58:20
anyway Intel re get Intel rebrands their Z online
58:27
announces new Chips based on Skylake so the original article here is from
58:30
extreme Tech gone is Zeon E3
58:35
E5 Etc here is platinum gold silver and
58:43
bronze because apparently Intel's naming
58:48
scheme folks while they the old system was near
58:54
indecipherable at least it had like some years of
58:59
continuity so it was somewhat easy to keep track of what was going on
59:04
Generation by generation now they don't
59:07
want us to be able to understand what's going on and they also completely lack
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creativity unbelievable I don't really have any redeeming stuff for that I
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think you found another Techquickie video to make though yeah Tech Qui like
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half the videos on techi should just be explaining naming schemes yeah and then
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we should just encourage more companies to have really wono naming schemes cuz
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like what I don't like about this is in a lot of situations maybe a silver is
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exactly what you want and having a platinum one might literally be worse
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yeah cuz we've definitely run into that yeah so it's not actually like oh it's
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just factually better if it's in a higher tier and it'll cost more that's
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not actually true this is fantastic this was originally posted by n Tony on the
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Forum and uh Open Bench
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table seemingly as a direct response to
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us dropping our test benches now has a
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3D printable vertical stand I was wondering
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why they sent this to me cuz the the guy emailed me directly being like hey by
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the way there's now 3D printable stands and I was
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like okay and that actually makes a lot
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of sense now
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oh man yeah we should probably print some of those yeah that might be a good
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idea I guess that's pretty much it is there anything else you really wanted to
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hit today uh Floatplane um scard Wars
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oh oh yeah okay so people have been hounding
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us when is scrapyard Wars actually coming because the um the the the the
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teaser just said May soonish because Ed
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is a gigantic troll yeah um scrapyard
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Wars does have a firm release State the
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first episode is coming to float playing Club this weekend um we have a like a
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night specifically uh it's I I don't yes
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we do but I don't remember what it is um
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oh man Ivon was actually like stoked she
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was like hey do you want to watch scrapyard Wars with me tonight and I was
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like yeah that's the trailer she's like what no wait what well when's it
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coming I want to watch it I want to watch it before everybody else boiler
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boiler was like when is it being
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uploaded so it is first episode coming
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this weekend to Floatplane so the following weekend to YouTube so there'll
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be episodes will be coming one week apart we've we've got the production
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process streamlined enough now that we can we can commit to that and then there will
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be a one we delay between Floatplane
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club and YouTube so if you guys are wondering how to be the first to get
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your hands on scrapyard Wars basically
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what you do is you head over to the store on the lonus tech tips Forum there
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will be a better system for this in the future I promise but you head over to
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the store and you buy a subscription to
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float plan club which gives you access don't worry I know um I got this which
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gives you access to uh hold on no no
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it's it's fine I think we're good now actually we're good you're not even
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supposed to be using a lap I I promise the admin team on the Forum that you not
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I know but I'm they were trying to take your admin account away uh okay but and
62:47
it was like put to a vote and you lost I like tried to veto it cuz I said you
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would use a different laptop and then you told me that you would get it done
62:56
I'm not today but you can see how aware of it okay approval to share my
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screen sure okay find us the screen
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don't click on anything I'm not clicking on anything I'm not clicking on anything
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so you will get access to a hidden sub Forum on the Forum there's a button up
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here to go to it Floatplane club and then you'll see all the stuff that is
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out on Floatplane but isn't out yet on
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YouTube so we've got the world's smallest video drone we've got Channel
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super fun I think on YouTube we're going to call this video uh this game was
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banned yeah CU we have to cuz it was
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yeah um we have best desktop graphics for your laptop so we take a proprietary
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solution versus Thunderbolt 3 and Benchmark the snot out of it that's
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really interesting actually really good video um we've got uh removing thermal
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compound the best way we test I think it's over over a dozen different liquids
63:53
I drank some of them once we were done uh LTT is bigger worse the alien wear 15
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gaming laptop review uh this one was a simultaneous
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release we've got the most bizarre keyboard that one's going to be fun
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there's also like little bits that you're doing from every now and then
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yeah I don't do that very often though that's like the post but theoretically
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there's some more sort of discussion in there um yeah so there you go this is
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the one that went up on that went up on YouTube just now and yeah in a couple
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days scrap red Wars will be there yes it will which is so exciting actually I'm
64:30
so interested in what happened with them do we know how many episodes there are do you want to talk okay uh I believe
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hold on you know what I don't want to say something wrong so do you want to
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talk about some of the beefing up that you've done the beefing up no in antic
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oh you don't want to nope not at all oh
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I might make a uh I might make a post on the Floatplane sub
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Forum but I don't want to talk about it hopefully everything will be fine and
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people let me let me give me one second I have an
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idea no nope no it going to
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work
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seven okay hold on hold on a minute it's going to be seven episodes because the
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feedback people told me it was too long
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really how long were episodes before 45 minutes 45 minutes well I could have
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told you that was how long are they now 45 minutes what what what what hold
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on seven episodes for the season no more
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episodes I hate you are they are they actually 45 minutes 45 minute episodes
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isn't that how long the last ones were I don't remember he keeps creeping up the
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runtime he's going to be doing 3our episodes but he's just going to start
65:55
releasing the whole thing uncut at some point and see if I
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notice it's just going to be like yeah you know what it was easier this way
66:04
people tell me it's good though like despite the runtime it's good uh some
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notable people are like Jay ad Venom
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okay Kyle okay so four episodes 45 minutes each
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coming over the next month I'm going to drop that link in the chat again because
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you guys should really get signed up for Floatplane Club um it actually is
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pretty awesome um I mean do you want to talk about any of the cool stuff you're
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doing not really oh you're such a you're
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such a a kill jooy right now I to test
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it more the thing with FPL Club is if it works really well most people won't
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notice and that's like the point yeah cuz it should just
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work no I guess but that's like yep that's fine
66:56
just just keep me posted and everything will be fine
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um okay hold on I just want to can we
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try a live demo again yeah okay cuz I think last time we tried one at see like
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that's what I like that I just don't want to okay yeah I'll make a post about
67:14
more stuff and I'll I'll I'll I'll figure out things that I want to talk
67:17
about I just I don't really like talking about things a ton before they've
67:21
matured a little bit and I'm like sure that they're fine all right all right
67:28
and like if something fails with it or something weird I don't want people to
67:32
be like what the heck all right okay so let's have a look at the world's
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smallest video drone video here yes the
67:39
cancerous thumbnails are still there a lot of the time look at that did you see
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that play okay but hold on hold on cuz
67:45
we're going easy on it second longer yeah okay so
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1080p wow look at that look at that
67:52
preview look at how fast that loads in baby
67:57
drone that's not too bad you got some yeah yeah it wasn't too bad look at that
68:02
performance hey do you remember when YouTube buffered so that you could skip
68:07
ahead like nearly instantly like that do you remember the good old
68:12
days that's how every video player should work I think oh it did a flip
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anyway the point is um to to to those
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wondering Floatplane is working we are
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we are it is more successful by the week
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which is one of the reasons that we've been talking about it more on Wow there
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have been sort of less and less issues week by week um so yeah we definitely
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recommend joining if you want the best scrapyard Wars experience some very
68:41
exciting things happened in the LA I I don't necessarily want to talk about them yet uh maybe next week we'll see
68:47
how well it goes and we'll see how much more like buffing up of it we do cuz
68:52
there might be more expansion that we do with it and Etc etc etc but some really
68:56
exciting things have happened recently that I thought were going to take like months to do because boiler is a genius
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and things went really well contrary to uh the haters um did did we get enough
69:07
good applicants that you feel pretty good about our chances of development uh
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so we actually got a lot of really good applicants the coding challenge is finishing up this Sunday at midnight um
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and some people have already started submitting their projects I don't know
69:20
why cuz they have the whole weekend but I guess they're busy over the weekend um
69:25
and some of the projects that I've seen already so far are
69:28
like pretty good yeah so I'm I'm even
69:33
more excited to like see what people take the whole weekend to finish up
69:37
polishing and all that kind of stuff but I'm not going to grade anybody any different depending on when they handed
69:41
in see I've got to address this the same
69:44
thing was said about vessel how successful it was and it was an epic
69:48
failure in the end so Eed it lonus the
69:51
thing is is that vessel had a very different model vessel was a startup
69:57
with like over a100 million we think of
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venture capital that they managed to burn through in 18 months now I've never
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had any outside
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investment so that is not the way that I
70:15
personally run the businesses that I own
70:19
Andor am a stakeholder in it is not the way that I believe in doing business
70:25
having a really high burn rate and just
70:29
kind of hoping that what I don't know
70:32
what they were hoping for to be perfectly honest now that we know how
70:36
their infrastructure worked it was way too expensive I don't know how they
70:40
could have ever possibly hoped to make a profit I feel like the goal the whole
70:44
time was just to try to get eaten and bought out by somebody because like it
70:49
it seems insane so remember too though
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the people saying what a great huge success that vessel was were the people
70:58
that were trying to talk other people into joining it or complete Outsiders
71:04
from like an investor relation standpoint yeah we don't need
71:09
investors and we are not recruiting anybody to join Floatplane Club at this
71:14
time we are just really happy that an internal project is going really really
71:18
well and to be fair if we were saying that vessel was going well we were
71:21
probably talking about like well our production our production schedule is
71:25
working and it's and our fans seem to be happy and that kind of stuff we weren't
71:28
talking about like profit structures and whatever else
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yeah um so yeah no hot keys and stuff that is
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a thing that will happen eventually yeah
71:42
we're not going to work on that yet ah what if we don't have a credit card to
71:45
use on PayPal for Floatplane that is something that we are working on can can
71:49
we give any progress update on that uh the the final site that is being
71:54
developed on we'll be using stripe and PayPal so if you can't use PayPal for
71:59
whatever reason there's various reasons why you might not be able to use PayPal
72:03
we can accept whatever cards through stripe and stripe has a lot of different
72:06
things that they can accept accept they're a pretty good system yeah so it
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won't be tied to just PayPal forever while it's on the Forum it will be just
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PayPal yeah yeah
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um you know what there's a lot of actually pretty decent questions in here
72:22
why don't we stop the land show and do a short after party sure okay so thanks
72:26
for watching same bat Time same bat Channel bye we'll back in a
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second how dare you tell me to go away you cud how dare
72:47
you I know you would dare to do far more than that to me
72:55
uh Still Still streaming oh and we're also doing a short after party so oh
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okay uh