Were we Wrong about AMD VEGA?? - WAN Show July 7, 2017
Linus Tech Tips
·Linus Tech Tips
·2018-05-06
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very hello it's w show time again my
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friends and also all of you people who are watching cuz you know let's let's
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face it you and I are the one no I'm saying that we're like we're friends oh
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okay I'm not saying we're not you're just but they're internet friends you went yes they're internet friends but
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that is totally a different classification Jake calls me an internet
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friend does he really he does even though you actually are in the same
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building as each other at at least like four to six hours a day first time I met
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was in person right no he's wrong so an
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internet friend we can like we can actually Define this fairly easily an
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internet friend to me okay is someone that you had to meet first online okay
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okay and that you've only seen in person
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either once or if the additional times
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you've seen them in person were because you happened to be traveling to get
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there anyway okay is that fair so a con or
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something yes like they're an like you met them at a convention a while ago or
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you met them online or yeah okay and then oh we both happen to go to packs
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yes I see them at packs once a year they're still an internet friend yeah
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okay yeah yeah I could see that yeah you got any other sort of ways to Define
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what an internet friend is um no I think
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that's pretty good I think you could meet them in person first still really
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yeah because like for instance there was at Lan couver I met a dude who's sitting
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right next to to me do you have to meet them somewhere techy can I just jump in
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with that I think that would help a lot okay um but I think I think it has to do
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with like the percentage of interaction so I met this dude at lancou okay we
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only started talking on the last day and pretty much all that happened was I was
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like hey what's that game that you're playing and he's like it's this and I
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was like oh and ended up being a multiplayer game and I was like it looks pretty cool maybe I'll get it and he was
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like sure I'll play with you add me on Steam never talk to him at all outside
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of that interaction in person and then only to him online for like
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years past that okay so I think you're pretty safely internet friend zone with
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that guy yeah now let me hit you with a different one so met someone at bible
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camp okay okay so I'm there for like a week but see that that's the I think
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that's one of the differentiators this isn't necessarily A techy thing that you're talking about but you're kind of
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locked in this situation yeah you committed to go here yes I had to be
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there you're staying there for
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yeah not allowed not even just the
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payment thing it's in like hope so you're not there's nowhere to go anyways
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the thing about the British Colombian City of
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Hope your only hope is that the the name's a little ironic
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um so okay so I so I meet a girl at at
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camp and we only talk like a few times
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this one time but then we exchange no not like that but then we look it was
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Bible Camp okay doesn't she say Bible Camp h no band camp yeah yeah yeah so we
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exchang MSN because that's what we had dude I miss MSN in those days oh MSN was
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so good we spent the next year MSN in constantly but didn't see each other for
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an entire year okay okay then after the
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following year Bible camp we start dating is she because it develops into
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something else is she still an internet friend
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for that first year see okay this is
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even more wild cuz I've only ever actually thought of the concept as
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because these are what my friends do I've only thought of the concept as Internet friend as
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Gamers right because anyone that I had like
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extended conversations with that we weren't gaming MH was like people that
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went to my school so they were definitely real life friends cuz I saw
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them daily got it right so I think that is a real life friend that transitioned
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to an internet friend that transitioned to a girlfriend that is a real life
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person okay that's a lot of transitions I I think you guys flip-flopped a little
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bit okay I think there was some flopping okay got it got it internet friend
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flopping like do the friend flop yeah but well that's awkward that was
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really not where I was going with that uh so we got a great show for you guys
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today contrary to what you might think from having witnessed that intro to it
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the best show um main news topics AMD RX
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Vega specs leaked wow surprising so this is the uh the gaming version of
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Vega um number two wow is it just all
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AMD news no one saw that coming the ryzen 5600 becomes the second
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bestselling CPU on Amazon that's actually pretty cool though can we give
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a round of applause to AMD congratulations for like building a
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thing that people think is Bomb all right although this is kind of
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a part two of that news story the rumor has officially been squash AMD having
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taking 10% market share from Intel is not a thing
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um and is building the world's biggest lithium ion battery in South Australia
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but the Germans are building an even bigger battery but that's not going to
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be ready for like quite a while while uh
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Elon musk's version I think is going to be ready pretty soon and the format
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dictates that we should have four main news topic call outs but I have to call
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this one out Canadian porn Mega site PornHub
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becomes interactive with a new series of
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videos so you'll pretty much never have to leave the house again yeah is um sort
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of where that might be heading all right then let's uh launch the intro and get
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into
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it I had no idea that PornHub was
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Canadian are they really neither yeah they are I even looked it up on
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Wikipedia careful with that search now no I'm okay
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now okay now hold on a minute let's get the let's get the sponsor stuff out of
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the way thank you savage jerky fresh books Savage ice um okay so now let's do
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kind of 10 steamboats to make sure that the sponsor is checking to make sure we
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did that aren't still watching got to have a wee bit of a buffer you know you
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know we could pretend to launch into a topic about the high-tech thing that's
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in this box blah blah highly related to this highly related to that look at this
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that goes in there boom okay I think we've waited long enough congratulations
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okay so uh Linus's screen so PornHub
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Canadian the first thing obviously is Canadian porn videos okay so you can
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watch Canadians and Canadian babes and
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Canadian amateurs Canadian girls um that's bad word today I learned
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that PornHub is a Canadian company this is Reddit should be
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okay uh 1 second one
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second I am 18 plus but I don't know for a fact that you guys are it goes to
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Wikipedia okay and here we go okay okay it's Wikipedia launched and
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headquartered in Montreal go figure and here okay I
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learned something else today Montreal is the third largest porn producing city in
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the world after LA and Amsterdam wow I had no clue at all I love that the the
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first response to that so proud of my city
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how about that good job um okay anyway
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let's get into uh let's get into some tech topics here first so this was
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originally posted by Mr troll on the Forum and the source for this one is
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wccf Tech so take it with a grain of salt as usual
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it looks sick I'm just going to drop
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that in there real quick I really like this new design that looks a lot better
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than the frontier Edition it does I love the blacked out PCI Express bracket it's
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little tou like that that make a big
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difference and actually this logo I really didn't like it black on Blue it
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okay but ran on black looks really sick like this honestly the whole time it has
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just reminded me of descent okay you know what I'm saying see I could see how
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you could go kind of scary eyes on it
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yeah but without being too overtly that
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yeah I like it yeah it's kind of got like a Batman the Animated Series kind
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of vibe to it the a little bit of the
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fun back to like how graphics cards get to look yeah cuz lately it's just been
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like well the only high performance graphics cards that have existed have
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been NVIDIA um and they're gray and they are
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sometimes they're black yes some correct they're gray except when they're black
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and also you get a green lighting accent oh don't leave
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green but like and they look sharp but it's been the same thing for a really
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long time and like I kind of I understand that it looks gudy and is
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objectively worse but I kind of sometimes miss the old days when you'd
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have like the art on the graphics card
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shut up you can it was fun you can miss it it f you can miss it in a nostalgic
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way but you would not put that in your system today admit it now we should make
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a CR no admit it we should make a cringe build I'm not letting you change the
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subject admit it you would not put that in your system today I would no you
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would no you wouldn't no you wouldn't upgrade me to 108 TI I'll do it no they
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don't there aren't even any there's nothing that bad anymore there is
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nothing that bad anymore get a dbrand to skin it okay hold on let me see if I can
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find like some examples graphics cards
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um I'm sure they've looked into it at some point
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okay okay not that this is what we're talking about this is the kind of crap
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that used to be on high-end cards but pull me back out camo and like some why
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are these all the same thing did you look up this yeah I looked up this specific card cuz it's hilarious okay
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this I that's fine there's it's like there's
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like Sparks coming off of it and it looks ridiculous but that's fine that's
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not like stupid like let's like okay let's find some gain word video cards I
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like the like okay they're pretty cool now those
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all look fine okay no no but let's go back to like you know 8,8
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8800s like look at
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this what it looks like it looks like is
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that it looks like WWE Buddha or something look like someone literally
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changed their mind on what they were drawing many times and then we're just
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like yeah that's fine just forget it okay you know what screw it I'm not
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getting paid that much to do this anyway yeah yeah
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exactly like no you would not be putting
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that Jank bull app in your system it's all about performance man all right so
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let's talk about some RX Vega specs here it's going to be shipping with a core
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clock of around 1630 MHz um so at what
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point do I does this people were hating on me so hard for the Vega reality check
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on last week's W show I'm not surprised
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we knew that this is the professional card so it doesn't indicate about the
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gaming card things like that's it's like
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comparing a NVIDIA Quadro to a GeForce in
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games which you can do and they perform
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the
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same surprising there are some Fair points there are some features that are
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not yet enabled on the frontier Edition card hesitated for a sec I almost called
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it Founders Edition there are some features that aren't enabled on the
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frontier Edition card and they are gaming features but what I said on the
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show in if you actually listen is that
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it's not going to be making up the performance Delta to give AMD a
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legitimate top tier competitor it's not
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going to get faster enough to take on
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the 1080 TI I don't see that realistically
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happening and something you guys have to
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understand as well is that NVIDIA is just toying with them at this point they
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are they have they are showing Volta
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hardware and if they have big Volta you
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don't have to think too critically to
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look back and go well whenever they've
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got working Hardware of a given new architecture the other size dies are
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only as far behind as the team tweaking
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and altering and finalizing them takes
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that's how far behind Volta Hardware is
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so by the time you can actually buy an RX Vega NVIDIA is sitting there going
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okay do we launch in you know two months
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or like do we start announcing do we start teasing to to to to kill the hype
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train a little bit or do we do we have a
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year to sit and milk Pascal while you
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know while Volta just while we take all our vola and we send it into the
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supercomputing space um I mean to be
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clear it's not like I'm rooting for NVIDIA here people misunderstand me a
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lot of the time it's just that I can
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take things that we know and extrapolate
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based on other things that we can guess or that we historically true and make an
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educated guess even if I don't have the hardware in hand this is why we've
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theorized in the past about being able to make a video about a graphics card
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before it comes out and how accurate that would actually be and honestly we
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we keep joking about making it but if we did I don't think it would be a very valuable piece of content and we get
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trashed on for making it so there's no real point we're not going to do it no but there are times when we' would have
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been pretty damn close very like freakishly close like with one piece of
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information like if all we knew was price yeah putting together believable
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performance graphs based on everything else that we
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know pretty pretty solid and like one thing that I did for the 1080 launch was
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I went around and I asked creators uh what they thought the price would be or
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no what they thought the hardware would be in it and what they thought the price
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would be is and how they thought the performance would be is and other than
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the surprise of s SMP pretty accurate it was pretty close
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within $100 every time within a pretty tight performance metric every time okay
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see I see a little bit of discussion in twitch chat about how we tried to do
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that with the ryzen 5 we did not yeah
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and it worked yeah our Horizon 5 numbers
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were bang on and and all the stress and upset that people had about some of the
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cores being on one CCX and some of them being on another one ended up being a
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non-factor when it came to anything other than a few specific benchmarks
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most of which were synthetic so you you
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can you can guess a lot um anyway sorry
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I will finish talking about the specs 8 gigs of hbm2 memory which is freaking
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incredible but also terrifying so it's incredible because hbm2 is coming to a
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non like AI supercomputing card yeah but
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terrifying because it's not going to be cheap and I do worry about RX Vega being
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price competitive if it's going to be shipping with such expensive memory yeah
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um so that'll total 484 GB of memory
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bandwidth Al righty then um and the
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rumored 3D Mark 11 performance score has RX Vega at
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31,800 about 4,000 ahead of the GTX 1080
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and about double the score of the GTX 1070 that no that doesn't seem right I
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didn't think there was that big of a difference between the 7 1070 I mean
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mind you guys this is a synthetic Benchmark um and it has the 1080 TI
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maintaining a commanding lead with over 38,000 points the rumored cost would be
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$600 so right now it's hard to talk about graphics card
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pricing yeah exactly what I was just going to say 108 TI on amazon.com looks
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like it's about 9900 to 950 uh 108ti on
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New Egg right here looks like it's about 750 plus maybe a little bit depending on
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what version you get they do have stock so it looks like miners are not buying
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these very high-end cards at least uh in stock limit two per customer so if it
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can come in within spitting distance of the ad0
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TI at $600 then at least AMD is looking like
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they could have a performance competitive product though we still
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don't know necessarily anything about how async compute is going to shake down
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what Vulcan and directx12 performance in real games is going to look like uh we
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still don't know much about how it's going to size up power consumption so
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like performance per watt wise although that doesn't look very promising um it
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might also just like barely matter because I suspect this price isn't going
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to stay the same at all because AMD
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cards right now are better for mining for mining so they're just all going to
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vanish that's kind of my expectation we'll see yeah um it's starting to the
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mining thing is starting to cool down a little bit it's still pretty crazy as
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far as I can tell but it is starting to cool down a little bit so we'll see by the time this actually drops how much
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impact it'll have in regards of that blah blah blah blah blah but yeah all
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right so uh this was originally posted
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by priceon on the forums it's a little bit more Vega news before we move on uh
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AMD's Roger kadur confirms RX Vega die
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size at 484 mm squared so that's pretty
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darn big that's a big GPU um we actually
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covered this in a little bit more depth in our NVIDIA gpus Through the Ages as
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well as did we do AMD GP yeah we did both of them we did both uh AMD and
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NVIDIA gpus Through the Ages and I'm trying to pull that up right now but
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there have only been a handful of gpus that have been bigger than about 500 mm
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squared so oh for some reason it's prompting me for credentials here that
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is that is very very annoying so I can't
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look it up other than to like load up the video right now but
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um what that tells us is that AMD
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was if die size anything to go on and a
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lot of the time it can be because it
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tells us sort of how expensive the GPU
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is and therefore what price Bend they're probably hoping to Target with the
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finished product and therefore what performance they think that they're
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probably going to have to compete with so that tells us that AMD maybe didn't
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think that they were going for unprecedented performance like they
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would have with something like the um
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r600 so that was the 29 00
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XT but hopefully I can find uh yeah I
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think this is going to be too hard to find live right now but it tells us that
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they were legitimately going for something pretty darn
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highend yeah unfortunately I can't I
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can't find my uh my die siiz graph with
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all of them on it but that's okay there a lot of graphs man yeah it's a lot of
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graphs in this video so there's there's just not a lot I can do about that oh I
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hope I'm not uh yeah no I'm not doing that you're good okay
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so here we go this is part one of two of
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this next topic this was posted not by nobody on the Forum so this was an
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article over on Tom's Hardware and the
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ryzen 5600 skyrockets to number two on Amazon
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and while this isn't a like 100%
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indication of you know how many of them are out there pass Mark submission have
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increased telling us that people are out there buying AMD ryzen CPUs which is
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great news even though this is after
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Intel's reactionary moves with the 7740
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and the 7640 yeah like the PassMark thing that's
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obviously only going to be like rather hardcore people but being number two on
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Amazon is very transparent like building your build your own PC people for the
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most part but with that said we actually have a review unit coming in of an all
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AMD entrylevel gaming rig from
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Dell okay that's interesting right yeah
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because once you get partners like that on board that makes a lot more mainstream too Dell's the kind of
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company that sells boxes to people
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who aren't necessarily looking at the real world performance in Benchmark X
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and you know real world application y they just want to buy thing and have it
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play a game and they're looking for appealing specs and that's something
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that AMD did really really well with ryzen is they not only delivered
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something that performs well in the
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benchmarks but they delivered something that looks great on paper sounds good
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this one has eight processing cores and 16 threads even if you don't understand
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what that means sounds like a lot it's a lot it's double number what the
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comparably priced Intel one would be yeah that is fantastic FC Synergy to use
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the uh probably the word they used Synergy between the marketing team and
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sales team and engineering team Marketing sales and Engineering soltion
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y so you got to give them full credit for that and like having worked selling
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computers before it totally works oh yeah and like you might even be like
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this one is better and someone will read the numbers on the sheet and be like I don't care you're trying to upsell me
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you're a jerk you're probably getting a commission for pushing that yeah because
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this one says it has more numbers and it's like oh well then the frustrating
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thing is that like they could be right A lot of the time like I was always the
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sales guy that was like I would upsell
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but I would upsell because people would walk in wanting to buy an Athlon 64 3500
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Plus or 3700 Plus or whatever I think the 3700 plus was in FX I worked with a
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different int so I was often downselling right yeah so they would walk in and
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they would want like a sing like a high in single core and I'd be like whoa whoa
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hold on okay for a hundred bucks more
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and you're already spending like $500 for 100 bucks more I want you to buy
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this it's an entry-level dual core you're going to like it and they'd be
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like they they'd come in the next week and they'd be like getting a new
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keyboard or something' be like holy crap
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I am so glad that you sold me that and then I spent the extra hundred bucks my
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buddy has this one cuz they'd be like buying whatever their friend had or whatever it runs circles around it he
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can't even believe it he's going to be in next week to buy one I'm like yeah
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dog that's what's up um cool and like I
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always liked people getting a good value even if I didn't necessarily get them a
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cheap price cuz that to me is what spending your money smartly is about
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about not having to replace something 9 months or 12 months from now
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when you could have spent an extra hundred bucks now to keep it for two or
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three years and there's like there's there's some impossible metrics there um
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like I hate it when someone will come in and ask like hey uh I get questions
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about this with my 2600k all the time I had my 2600k for a super long time I was
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streaming with it doing all this other kind of stuff and they're like hey I just bought this processor um is this
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going to last me as long as your 2600k it lasted you and I'm like man that is
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way too big of a time frame for me to tell you yes or no I can't give you the
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right answer to the wrong question yeah like this isn't I can't I really can't
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do this I don't know what if like randomly some crazy new technology yeah
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shows up yeah and unlike VR it actually like really super catches on and
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everyone's doing it and oh burn burn and
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like only processors within the last two generations are able to do it because
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they have some weird technology on die and yours doesn't have it and you're now
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pissed at me because I said you'd be good for that long like I can't I really
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can't do that um but like there are
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certain things that are rather obvious like hey dual cores just came out and
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look they're like way better at
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basically everything than single cores are still the single most expensive
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computer component that I ever bought for myself was an Athlon 64 4400 Plus on
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launch yeah like before we were talking about things being like business
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expenses yeah um and I also okay you
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could probably argue the two 7900 gtx's
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that I bought at the same time but that's two products it's two products
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and I got those I had them less than a week cuz I bought them used off a guy
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who was flipping them and uh who was just like he was moving to
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Crossfire uh at the time Crossfire was
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bad um so he was going to Crossfire and
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I uh I got them from him for like $100
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below market value each and then I flipped them for what they were worth so
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I had them for like a week just to Tool around with them just to just to bask in
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what it was like to run a top-of-the-line SLI gaming setup and
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like you know even though I was
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following all the rumors and everything like that the used Market Hardware
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values are not the same as the retail Market they're affected by things like
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rumors y so as soon as a rumor dropped
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that something else was coming I knew that $200 was going to be dropped off
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the value those each of them instantly so I was like I was like holding on to
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them like this I was like I got to get rid of these things I got to get rid of these things but that that didn't stop
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me from like playing Far Cry and stuff yeah yeah yeah yeah Far Cry 1 yeah dog
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oh man that crazy man it great game it
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was like there were things that like really irked me about it like the fact
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that oh it had problems there were organic creatures that you could hit
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like six times with a rocket launcher and they wouldn't die and like rocket
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ammo was like every game like was pretty limited like if I'm carrying around
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rocket launcher ammo like let me use it
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have fun with it a little bit Yeah like it should leave a a gaping crater the
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size of you know a freaking football
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helmet in the side of this thing at least yeah yeah you know uh
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um anyway sorry we wow we are not
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staying on topic very well here um in
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other news AMD's r7700 is in fourth place as well with
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that said this was originally posted by rev silver spine on the Forum the rumor
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that AMD managed to gain 10.4 percentage
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points of CPU market share in the second quarter of6 uh 2017 is a little
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misleading because the data is from a self- select survey and uh they're
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putting it very mildly here so the original article is from Seeking Alpha
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here AMD customers are more likely to
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self-report on AMD's increased sales in market
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share really AMD customers wow I mean to be
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clear any fan of any company is likely
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to self-report at at a rate that's
28:29
higher than um the actual numbers would be but how do I put this
28:37
lightly AMD fans you guys are
28:41
enthusiastic very enthusiastic about
28:47
AMD moving on which is which is good
28:51
that's good yeah we need arguments on the
28:55
internet more of them at least you know yes just we need at least AMD versus
29:00
Intel AMD versus
29:04
NVIDIA AMD versus versus other AMD yeah
29:09
and AMD versus just
29:15
cyrix all right um Tesla to build the
29:19
world's biggest lithium ion battery in
29:22
South Australia this was posted by daex
29:26
subo 11s what kind of name is is that on the Forum the original article is from
29:31
abc. auu so uh yeah the headline there is
29:36
pretty self-explanatory but basically the point is that they're promising to
29:40
build it in a 100 days or it'll be free
29:44
and this world's largest lithium ion battery will be will be able to store
29:50
energy or will be used to store energy from a nearby wind farm and it's like
29:55
the the the free thing it would cost them 50 mli million Yeah so basically
30:01
musk has issued a challenge to his own company to build it in a reasonable
30:05
amount of time or eat the cost of it which will be like huge PR either way I
30:10
guess but I think that's part of the point is I'm I'm pretty sure he's sure
30:14
that he can do it and this is a marketing stunt essentially for other
30:18
countries not necessarily other people but for other countries be like look we
30:22
can beef up your infrastructure super fast and like this is how confident we
30:25
are and to be clear this is a risk on both sides cuz this is basically like
30:29
this is like a bet it's like if I can build it in 100 days you pay for it and
30:35
if I go over the time limit I'll pay for it I'll pay for it yeah wow which is
30:40
pretty wild so this is this is a crazy stunt for him to get this Tech out there
30:44
on a much larger scale than something like a a homebased battery where sure
30:50
you're able to take advantage of off peak grid power and then use it during
30:54
peak hours save some money blah blah blah blah blah no no of this now we're
30:59
talking about taking energy that was stored while it was windy and using it
31:04
once the wind dies down very freaking cool um so South Australia has been
31:09
battling power problems since a Statewide blackout in September 2016 and
31:13
this could really change the way that
31:16
renewable energy is stored so uh very
31:19
cool but and we've got another two parter here the original article here is
31:23
from batteries international.com the Germans have an
31:27
announced that they will be building the world's biggest battery in underground
31:32
Caverns which makes it like even cooler cuz it's like the battery cave oh W oh
31:38
yeah I went there did you come up with that on the spot pre prepped oh that's
31:44
pretty good thank you uh to be fair okay
31:47
musk is apparently going to take him 100 days uh this crazy B toy cave battery uh
31:54
is going to be done by the end of 2023 but it'll be
31:58
700 mwatt or megawatt hours excuse mwatt
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hours megawatt hours compared to just 100 it's like a small anchor B yeah it's
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like but it's in a cave but it's is it's is a German fun it
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turn I hate you yeah I'm eating some delicious stuff
35:33
first okay that's now get into it that's fair Savage jerky is made with the best
35:39
ingredients without nitrates or preservatives the goal was to create a
35:44
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premium beef my personal
35:58
favorite is the maple Buffalo bacon which I think we're out of cuz I just
36:01
eat the entire pack every time we do a spot um but if you're into spicy man do
36:08
they ever have a lot of options Ops what are you going to hit me with this week
36:13
um you had me try man this one's good I
36:17
love the crack The Cracked Pepper and sea salt honestly I thought it was
36:20
pretty good at first now I actually like this one almost as much as a maple
36:24
interesting yeah so I'm putting it over on this side so you had me try oh ghost
36:29
pepper the ghost pepper because you thought it was hotter than the reaper so
36:33
I'm actually going to and I tried it and it wasn't that bad so I'm going to leave it up to you you can go with the one
36:39
that is listed as hotter and I think is hotter or you can go with the one that
36:43
is not listed as hotter you think is hotter tell here's what I'm going to do
36:47
I'm going to do both okay I'm going to settle this see I I've been I was
36:51
thinking about that but I didn't want to put that on you no no no no no no I see
36:55
I saw where you were going yeah no no don't think that just cuz you beat
36:58
around the bus that you didn't throw me under
37:03
it all right cuz you were setting them up you were setting up their
37:06
expectations a little bit a little a little bit okay there might have been
37:10
some minor social engineering going on so there's the that's a solid piece of
37:14
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37:18
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okay did we send them a message about the challenge pack
37:31
thing I don't think we remembered we should okay so you go ahead you do our
37:36
next uh next topic here and I'm going to do the
37:41
uh sorry I've got some of the other one stuck in my
37:47
tooth got it okay I don't want to I don't want to taint it I don't want to
37:50
taint it so I'm going to do a bite of
37:54
ghost pepper buffalo sauce first just to get my taste buds going then I'm going
37:59
to do one of each
38:04
okay you go ahead and move on to our next topic I also ate a really spicy one
38:08
apparently um wearables are tanking
38:12
Jawbone is liquidating its assets we've kind of seen this coming for a while
38:16
even from your own personal experience how often is your Smartwatch paired with
38:20
your phone just out of an interesting
38:23
question you overheard me talking about this didn't you did yeah but I'm like
38:27
not even the answer is like almost never right well I wouldn't say almost never
38:33
um how long how long has it been here let me fire up the end Gadget source for
38:36
this one I can throw that in the chat that's okay I got it jawbones demise
38:40
herold's the end of the wearables industry I think that's a little sensationalist I don't think that's
38:44
necessarily little rough little rough yeah I think there's still space for I
38:48
think you overheard me talking to Colton yeah because he asked
38:53
me okay I wasn't expecting to have to talk for this spot he asked me if I
38:58
would be comfortable doing a product placement for a um a non-s smartwatch
39:05
where I'm just wearing it yeah yeah yeah and I was like he's like yeah I know you
39:10
love the Smartwatch and I'm like yeah so let me put it this way um for over two
39:16
weeks I was wearing an Apple Watch that
39:19
was paired to my iPhone 6 the one that I
39:23
only use to listen to music and watch
39:26
videos in bed so when I was actually out and about
39:30
during the day like I I obviously wasn't getting call notifications or text
39:33
notifications cuz it doesn't have a SIM in it and it would only like I'd
39:36
randomly get like a bunch of notifications when I got home like it clearly was not the optimal experience
39:42
and it just wasn't even worth the five minutes like I like the Smartwatch
39:45
experience I just switch phones so often
39:49
that I just but it's not that important I just don't bother yes and like as a
39:54
consumer buying these H I would I would
39:58
buy and I would own one but if I had an Apple Watch I wouldn't run out and buy
40:02
the Gen 2 so my experience was cuz I I tried out the Sony SmartWatch 3 I
40:07
believe it was and I think I made a video on that quite a while ago I'm doing the other one okay go ahead so did
40:12
you just survived the ghost pepper right which you thought was hotter mhm okay um
40:16
so I I tried the Sony SmartWatch 3 I believe it was quite a while ago made a
40:20
video on it all that kind of jazz my issue with that was we we had a little
40:24
thing where like if you're reviewing a type of product you should probably use
40:27
it so I held on to that one for a little while it's now back but um I found
40:34
myself the need to charge it all the time and the fact that the charging port
40:38
was under it and under a silicone thing so I couldn't just like dock take it off
40:42
and like drop it on a dock I had to take it off and like get under there and
40:46
probably take it out of its actual band and then remove the Silicon thing and
40:50
plug in the little cable like it was just not a very usable experience and it
40:56
got to the point where I would rather take it off and leave it yeah see that
41:00
one is hotter oh okay see that one's
41:04
definitely hotter hold on give me a sec just let me let the pallette cleanse a
41:08
little bit okay all right so I still think it's just it's tedious and the
41:12
thing is like that's that's to make that experience better requires buying a new
41:17
watch and then now now I'm buying another watch and I wasn't really that
41:21
satisfied with that one and now it's the current level of watch and I still don't
41:25
think it's that great I think we might get there eventually but I I think we're
41:28
a few that's exactly it I think demise of wearables is a little ridiculous I
41:34
just think that wearables aren't going to be the slam dunk like next smartphone
41:40
like companies like Samsung or maybe even Apple were expecting them to
41:45
be because there the experience right
41:48
now just isn't worth five or six or
41:51
$800 like a premium watch yeah people
41:54
feel like is because it's a piece of jewelry um whereas I do think that there
41:59
are wearables out there that are more reasonably priced yeah that can make
42:04
sense and I also think that development will continue and we will get to the
42:08
point where the charging thing is a great Point like if I misalign my watch
42:14
and it doesn't charge that night yeah it doesn't work the next day that's a pain
42:17
in the butt whereas when wireless charging gets to the point where you
42:20
just kind of throw all your dunk in in a bowl at the end of the day then that's
42:24
cool that's way way way way better of experience it needs to be a lot easier
42:30
it right right now I feel like it's kind of a barrier between using things the
42:34
charging it is tedious making sure it's paired with all your stuff and linked
42:38
into all your apps right now is tedious it's not a seamless experience through your phone like there's just too many
42:42
steps that you have to constantly redo and it's just not there yet to
42:47
cover the news here this is just the latest wearable Pioneer to throw in the
42:52
towel uh last year Pebble sold its assets to Fitbit in a fire sale
42:57
as for Fitbit they're trading at a 52- we low so Jawbone was actually last
43:02
valued at 1.5 billion when they raised
43:06
165 mil in January
43:09
2016 despite shuttering their business they still think they're worth a
43:13
significant amount of money due to pending litigation with Fitbit but the
43:16
company has begun the process of liquidating itself at least in
43:20
part I also think that there's probably too many wearable Brands so I'm not that
43:25
surprised that this I'm a little surprised it's happening to Jawbone cuz they've been around for a long time and
43:29
most of them are just kind of junk from my experience I mean you were going to
43:32
do sorry oh get out of here yeah the
43:36
Apple watch blah blah blah like you were going to do a Roundup of Fitness
43:39
wearables Yeah we actually ran out and
43:42
bought like six of them super janky yeah but like it never happened
43:47
because well okay are we the real reason
43:51
why it didn't happen was it just took way too freaking long okay so we wanted
43:55
to pair with uh uh um educational institution X local
43:59
University yeah we want to pair with a local University because they have a
44:03
really cool onsite medical thing where they can like use proper equipment to
44:09
properly test exactly what's going on with your heart and we didn't want to do
44:12
it with like just some fitness band because I wanted absolutely as accurate
44:18
as I could get because I wanted this to be an actual thing that people could
44:21
point at when debating the viability of fitness watches um and they interested
44:27
but they wanted to uh launch these videos along with some thing that they
44:32
were working on and then it took them like they they said it was going to take
44:36
a few months end up taking them like six months I still started contacting them
44:39
and they were like okay well we're not really launching this thing in the same
44:43
way as before we can still work with you on it but how much are you willing to
44:46
pay us how much you will to pay us how much are you willing to pay us to use a
44:49
facility how much are you willing to pay us to use the consumables how much are
44:52
you willing to pay us for our time per person that has to be there here's all
44:56
the people that have to to be there basically it wasn't a partnership
45:00
anymore yeah they were looking for like a many thousands of dollars paycheck to
45:04
run this testing that was only existing for the sake of for the like we weren't
45:09
going to be making that kind of money on it like we were going to make like a
45:13
couple hundred bucks on AdSense and we invested a lot in buying all the watches
45:16
part of the idea of the video was actually and we were investing in a
45:19
video video crew and editing and like all that stuff that like we bring to the
45:23
table and it was going to be exposure for their program like they were just they were not being partners about it at
45:27
all and it was It was supposed to be a like actually a pro health video which
45:32
is why we wanted to work with a health focused Institute because it was
45:37
supposed to address the idea of people um OV exercising and I know that sounds
45:42
kind of weird because that's not usually the problem that exists but the problem
45:46
that they were trying to address was um
45:49
rather old people right ' 80s 90s year
45:53
old people that were trying to stay fit and that's awesome but going too hard at
45:57
it and stressing out their hearts like uh going for extended very extended bike
46:03
rides every single day right and it was just too stressful on their hearts but
46:07
they were looking at these smart watches and going oh I'm still within the
46:11
training zone right but that doesn't even if that is accurate which it's I
46:17
don't really know if I'm going to say that it is um it still doesn't account
46:21
for a lot of other things that can be going on with your heart that can be
46:25
super bad even if you're in the training Zone there can be other things going on
46:29
but people TR youve done a lot of research in terms of heart stuff yes
46:32
yeah but people trust this thing and they go oh it's saying that I'm doing
46:36
well therefore everything is going well but the heart's not as complicated as
46:40
just as fast as it's going so people trust this rather it's more complicated
46:44
yeah yeah and the fitbits congratulating them and giving them gamified feedback
46:49
about how well they're doing when their heart can't take this much stress
46:52
because they're old and it can't um so we were trying to help address that
46:57
also point at like amount of steps
47:00
that's happening and point at how stupid that is and we had a really cool shot
47:04
where we were in a bus in Mexico and my
47:07
step counter was just going like mad cuz there was all these bumps right um so
47:12
that we were going to address how inaccurate these things are but it just
47:15
never ended up working out okay I have the
47:18
answer so the reaper is hotter on the
47:23
tail end okay so it leaves more uh extended
47:29
Burn yeah okay whereas the ghost pepper probably has a hotter initial burst a
47:34
little bit of a punch but what I'll say is that this is the most of either of
47:38
them that I've been able to eat in one sitting we're gaining tolerance yeah
47:42
like I've always shows like I've always said in the past they're delicious yeah
47:46
but I can only handle like a bite
47:51
yeah oh wow oh that's like a full-size piece and
47:57
a half now if you total it all together right I'm feeling good that's crazy
48:01
these are freaking delicious they're even better once you're used to we're
48:04
off the sponsor spot just in case people are wondering but like
48:08
yeah man that's yummy so they should okay they should offer two different
48:12
things now and we we should like actually contact them about this there
48:15
should be the challenge pack and the tolerance pack and the tolerance pack
48:19
and the tolerance the tolerance subscription
48:23
maybe where like it sends you you you pick where you're starting is on the
48:27
line yeah and then it'll send you them like the same kind for like a month and
48:32
then you get upgraded up one heat tier and then it sends you the same kind for
48:36
like a month and then you get upgraded and you have to try to I like it yeah
48:40
all right so the original article here
48:44
is from Tech Crunch and it's finally happened yep
48:49
PornHub has built-in support for interactive toys
48:56
huh this is this is a great meme right here this image is not related to the
49:00
text cuz I don't think Tech crunch is is edgy enough to put in an image that is
49:05
related to the text here maybe not sure that
49:08
one was a little bit more LW oh man my
49:11
stomach is still working on it but but okay if someone no one's going to do
49:16
this but if someone went back to like the first time that we had a Savage jerky sponsorship oh yeah just about
49:20
killed me me too yeah it's it's it's
49:24
happening we're getting better so Canada's porn megga site porn Hub has
49:27
launched a new series of videos that sync with a user's interactive sex toy
49:32
to make it a more intimate experience both visually and physically and
49:36
something that I referenced a little while ago on a w show that you weren't
49:39
here for yeah was that I'm still subscribed to like the Oculus subreddit
49:43
and stuff like that and I've seen a the the percentage of time that a post
49:48
hits the front page that is about not sa for work topics seems to be I don't know
49:53
if this is 100% accurate but it seems to be to my perceptions without too far
49:57
into it increasing over time as interest
50:01
in VR decreases because the people that are still are still interested in it a
50:07
lot of them are using it for not safeer works stuff and PornHub is saying that
50:11
their VR category is doing very well and
50:14
I'm actually not that surprised a million plus views per day y I didn't
50:19
even think there were that many VR headsets out there I mean sometimes it
50:23
might take more than one video
50:27
who knows fair enough and I guess it's all
50:31
in how you define a view yes like if you're just like okay yeah skip the
50:35
first bit looks all right yeah skip to
50:39
the end okay here we go yeah is that a view I don't know probably important
50:43
terms sounds yeah yeah all
50:48
right uh so yeah I think that's pretty much yeah Samsung one's not really that
50:52
interesting okay hackers doing a thing
50:57
oh this is ridiculous original article here from RS techn posted by WM groom
51:03
AK one drive has stopped working on non- NFS
51:07
drives fat discs are no longer supported and more surprisingly neither is the new
51:12
RFS file
51:16
system whoa oh okay now just to be clear
51:20
it can still get you I had a little bit there go down the
51:24
wrong pipe oh okay that's particularly
51:30
ouch but uh basically okay why don't you
51:33
do this one the one drive thing okay
51:36
yeah so to continue to use the software files will need to be stored on an NTFS
51:40
volume you saw the error that was on Linus's screen I'm going to bring it
51:45
back up uh there you go so it will warn
51:48
you so that it must be formatted with NTFS file system now the thing that
51:53
sucks about that is you're going to have to move all of that stuff off
51:57
format your drive and move it back which is like super lame yeah if you're buying
52:02
storage space yeah that's like safe so you don't have to have it duplicated
52:08
because that that's the thing uh with with the like scaled storage
52:13
infrastructure thing where you have it in uh like three different locations and
52:17
two different formats and blah blah blah blah blah um you would have to retain
52:21
that while moving things off of the ENT NTFS systems onto wait no off of the
52:27
whatever other systems onto NTFS systems
52:30
um and what you're probably going to be doing is want to keep your current infrastructure and just format it so
52:35
you'd be moving it off to something they're going to have to trust very
52:38
likely in the cloud whether it's AWS or something else because you don't want to
52:42
permanently buy all these drives and then moving all of it back which is not
52:45
just tedious but it's expensive which is super freaking annoying I'm going to
52:49
move us off oh we're already off so you guys don't have to look at that ad
52:52
that's now online as the screen um looking back at it NTFS is a default
52:57
system for Windows but people using SD cards to extend the storage on small
53:01
laptops and tablets and nucks that's a
53:05
big thing right now so a lot of people that have uh busy computers that they
53:09
mount on the back of monitors uh those are commonly knck these days I know a
53:13
while ago they were all the uh Zotac
53:16
can't remember the name of it right now but Zotac ZBOX yeah ZBOX but they're
53:20
commonly Nu these days a lot of people expand the storage on Nu with SD cards
53:24
so yeah basically terrible and it's yet
53:28
reason not to use one drive because Google Drive works and people often
53:31
using storage spes to manage large redundant storage volumes will often use
53:36
RFS storage spaces is like their own
53:40
thing yeah oh in other
53:44
news this was posted by Jamie Con on the
53:48
Forum red apparently sorry is a phone
53:52
one quick thing before we go there apparently the company's position is
53:55
that one drive should always have warned about these used scenarios and that it's
53:59
only a bug or an oversight that it was allowed that it was allowed to be used
54:04
on non NFS volumes at all which is just
54:08
bogus but anyways yes red announced the phone Linus is going oh he's going for
54:12
the sea salt that makes a lot of sense yeah um red is announcing a phone it's a
54:18
very very expensive phone um costing
54:22
roughly these are subject to change either $1,500 95 for the titanium
54:28
version or $1,195 for the aluminium version which
54:32
is just nuts is a 5.7 in holographic
54:36
display it runs Android uh the handset
54:39
screen can seamlessly switch between traditional 2D content and holographic
54:43
3D content such as games it will support hydrogen 4 view content a file type that
54:49
red has produced um and content will be
54:52
stored via that content will be stored via the red Channel which allows uh
54:56
users to stream holographic games and movies that is nuts red is saying that
55:02
it may struggle to fill orders very
55:05
unsurprisingly due to the display production limitations of making like
55:10
this holographic display and stuff that can support hydrogen 4 view content
55:14
they're not telling us almost anything about specs n we can
55:18
assume that the camera will be pretty cool yeah if you look at the picture
55:23
which you should be able to get uh by jumping in there I had it open here the
55:28
camera is fairly prominently displayed up at the top there yeah and it doesn't
55:33
look like as oh actually does look reasonably thin I like the grip on the
55:37
side if you compare to the size of the yes I like the grip on the side too if
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you compare to the size of the headphone jacket doesn't look that thick no
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there's some type of docking port style
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thing on the bottom near where the type C is um there's a huge red logo on what
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looks like their that's their limo connector yeah okay so this right here
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is looks like it's to attach it so that um so they're not telling us a lot about
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specs like in terms of processor could could it act as a display for your
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camera then yes okay they're advertising that you can use it as a display for a
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red camera okay so um that's assuming you want to spend the $200 for the cable
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and the $200 for the bracket that sits on that uh that dock Yes red there you
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go um and the one for your camera so $600 $600 $200 each for those parts I
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actually have another you heard it here first folks I have
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another holy [ __ ] episode coming featuring an overpriced red
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product dude if you just you could get infinite holy [ __ ] videos just buy every
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single thing that red has oh yeah I mean I don't even know if this phone's going to be a review I bought one by the way
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uh so I bought one not because I plan to keep it I plan to flip it oh yeah um but
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I bought one so that we can do a video on it cuz uh go back real quick red
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doesn't sample for Jack one thing I wanted to point out is like the the
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phone's on kind of a weird angle and stuff but you can kind of figure out how big that red Digital Cinema hydrogen
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logo thing is and that looks like a relatively similar size to the camera
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that's up at the top so that camera is huge it's also a little hard to tell
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from the perspective but this looks lower profile than this heat SN look
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raised which looks below that which also still has a camera bump so that camera
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might be like dope AF pretty massive which is cool actually that's really
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cool cuz as of right now I play one game on my phone I use it for messaging
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services mainly email and I take photos
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that's pretty much it all
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right um blah blah blah some boring
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legal battle some other thing some other thing and I think that's pretty much it
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for the W show hoay so thank you guys very much for tuning in and if you were
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wondering if you're not already signed up for FL FL what's on Floatplane right
57:49
now yeah we're going to go through it yes very
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good dying so on Floatplane now is the
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mezzanine non update the office is in shambles that was actually kind of
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interesting the permits have stalled construction is not moving forward at
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the rate that we would have liked right now and everything around here is in
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such horrendous
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condition that it is killing me um it's a little bit of a behind the scenes look
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at what it's like to work basically in a
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construction zone yep trying to film professional videos you know the F thing
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is with like while increasing production quality the the feedback on our videos
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lately has been great speaking of which where is that
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one video that I like a lot there it is okay so this video turning uh turning
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scrap Electronics into gold bars is like
58:41
worth signing up for float plan Club over it's freaking amazing it's it's one
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of my favorite videos of any kind from
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any creator that I've watched in a while and I had no idea that it was coming and
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I'm not just saying that like if if you wait till it comes on YouTube that's
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fine watch it it's an amazing video but I would suggest checking out on Flo
58:58
plane it'll look better anyways and sound better so there's that yeah but
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it's it's an amazing video it doesn't feel um necessarily 100% like a lot of
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the content that we make yep it's much more like deep dive into something
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really interesting and informative it's it's very professional piece I think
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it's super cool there are no dick jokes no um which is like we also reviewed
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what is hands down the best value gaming notebook we've ever checked out uh so
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this is the predator 300 um we've got our review of EK water
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blocks' aluminum gaming products I
59:33
gaming products water cooling products but of course you can water cool a
59:37
gaming machine uh Tech quickies phone tethering as fast as possible and why
59:41
does your internet connection randomly stop
59:44
working this is a banging video oh
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yeah the intro to this is fantastic um the ultimate DIY arcade
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machine guide so that's the arcade machine that is behind us right now you
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should blow it up and play it um just
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little I I want to tease them all right uh we checked out the main gear Omen X
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like the most amazing looking gaming machine we have ever reviewed yeah this
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thing is unbelievable like just
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attention to detail you give main gear like basically on a limited budget and
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tell them to water cool things with Hardline and it'll look amazing yeah I know right um we've got our ASUS zephrus
60:24
review is up so that's the thinnest GTX
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1080 gaming laptop uh mezine update 8 the fire
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department intervenes oh boy H yeah
60:35
straight up not clickbait and then uh dead Mouse's Studio Tour actually just
60:39
went up on YouTube so that's uh so that's everything that's up on float
60:43
plane right now but not yet up on
60:46
YouTube you know we've actually um even after scrapyard Wars interest in float
60:51
plane like people seem to be feeling like it's a pretty good value um yeah
60:55
we've lost some subs which we knew cuz scrapyard Wars hype but we are actually
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gaining new ones at the same rate that we're bleeding them already which is
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pretty cool which is actually really cool um so I'm just going to post that
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in twitch chat where you guys can go sign up if you want to and that's pretty
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much it um are you out of here right now or did you want to do a short uh float
61:18
plane progress stream I can do that yeah yeah sure why don't we do a short one
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okay so uh intro blah BL blah oh whoops
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there we go I'm recovered
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now yes what do you need for me thumbnail uh where you want to shoot
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it okay go ahead and fire it up we're going to do an Afterparty stream but
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just a short one
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um yeah and I'll just run over there I'll take the thumbnail with you and
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then I'll come back