The WAN Show - Macbook Pro Selling Like Hotcakes - November 18, 2016
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·Linus Tech Tips
·2017-05-06
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he didn't know what twitch is he's like is this sort of like dark website I'm just like no I explain to him the
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concept of twitch and how I I I explained to him the context of twitch
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and I told him about like hey some people are making like six figures just
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playing video games and other people are watching so and he wasn't depressed by this by
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the way we're live no oh awesome yeah John was explaining uh live streaming on
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the internet to his dad who's apparently watching hi Dad so hi John's dad that's
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uh that's uh that's you know it's funny
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I for I forget because I spend so very
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much time much time in front of the camera that like being on a show is like
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maybe a thing yeah it's like a big deal to some folks still so yeah there we go
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yes I was I'm taller than you and I was way down here who sits in this usually
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Luke so yeah okay fair welcome to the W show you guys we've got a great show for
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you guys today Luke is down at I so he's
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working on some pretty cool content from the Intel extreme Masters and so I have
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brought in my Luke substitute for the day
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John who's going to point at you and it won't be awkward at all I
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promise in other news we've got a bunch of great topics for you guys today
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president Trump has determined that exploring Mars is not Grand enough no
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he's going to have the best NASA the best the greatest NASA okay the greatest
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NASA the best just the best so they're going to
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explore even further than Mars probably he'll find a way to do that within the
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four years that his term will last no question no question no question they'll
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launch tomorrow the best launch uh
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anyway be the greatest launch you've ever seen the greatest launch with the
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greatest lunch you've ever eaten launch
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and lunch dude Trump Stakes man at the same time Trump Stakes can't beat them
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they're the greatest um okay so the new Macbook Pro speaking of the greatest the
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reviews are coming in and it doesn't look good more MacBook Pro news the new
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Macbook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just five
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days so I guess that's pretty good if you're um Apple it's not
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surprising I'd love to say nothing surprises me anymore it's official
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nothing can surprise me anymore you can
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make six figures game streaming and we have a reality TV star as our president
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nothing surprising that's right your president the hour was not our it was
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him hour for now for well have I talked
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to you about that no seriously did I tell you that I
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don't recall that I I I think one of I think one of Trump's moves could be to
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invade Canada because realistically who would stop
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him I think it's politically extremely unpopular we don't want Canada
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politically unpopular yes but would anything stop Trump's America from from
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Simply marching North and declaring Canada to be theirs he loves the
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Canadians though I don't think he does I think he I think no I think he's happy
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that all of the celebrities who don't like him are moving to Canada if
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anything I think I think they're all reneging on that AR they of course they
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are yeah it happens you can't just walk in I don't understand how people like oh
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did I had I had to like get I had to
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stack a paperwork that was like it was huge it was like look at it though what
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did they look at it so I I hand it to the guy take he kind of flips through it
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really disinterested he's like all right I'll be back in a minute and so and then
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he gave me a fancier piece of paper and he said okay bye and here I am but you
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can't just walk in you can't okay so our other our other major news story this
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week more gamers are gaming on AMD
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Graphics than Intel and NVIDIA combined
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says a study from
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gfxpeers yes but we'll explain what they're
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talking about at 11 do we have the confusing flow chart to show everyone
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yes we do okay yes we can lovely the
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best flow chart yes we can you're dating yourself a little bit there my friend
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you sure well no one else is going to date
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me isn't that kind
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of well no you're supposed to dat like you're supposed to SP yeah but like it's
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not dating in the usual sense well that's why they changed the word I think
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because everyone knows it's all a big
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lie I am also married and I have no comment so yeah you know what I love you
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honey the the married people are are
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actually slowly taking over here so so
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there's you there's me there Colton so
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that's three of us now MH I mean we're still we're still woefully outnumbered
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but um I think it's a matter of time for for Brandon I think it's uh I think
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someone's going to up that Nick light character quick just a hunch just
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a hunch someone someone's going to someone's going to I mean all that who
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doesn't want all that again no comment well I mean my
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wife has said to me multiple times this is exactly the same as when we were
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dating except there's just like legal crap now it's like it's the same thing
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so but then when you guys were dating you were in law school no I wasn't this
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is like way after I graduated oh okay
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okay okay yeah but you were trying to find a job as a lawyer so there was
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legal crap it's a very different kind of there's always there's always Legal C
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I'm just trying to find a techn technical way to tie the two together
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I'll give you a six out of 10 thank you it's about as well as I ever do with my
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wife so oh oh all right um let's do okay
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no I promise this will not be the bittered mared married men bitter
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married men show today it's like this is what happens when I bring you in instead
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of Luke oh let's move on to our first topic of the day this was posted by hey
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yo on the Forum the original article here is from 9 to5 Mac actually no let's
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not do this one first Let's do let's do the fir let's do the second one first
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also from 9 to5 Mac this one posted
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by uh what's s what's her face
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djd wsk 97 thank you for the username
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that is impossible for me to actually say as a word um so here we go touch bar
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let's check the dates on these three days ago touchbar MacBook Pro Models
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have non- upgradable ssds seemingly undersized
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batteries and uh so the reviews are the
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reviews are supposedly not looking good
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let's have a look uh ssds and RAM are both soldered to the logic board the
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battery cells look comically small some
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speculating that Apple limited their size to hit a weight Target with others
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saying that this could be an INT itional choice to give the batteries room to
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expand or limit heat buildup inside the
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otherwise tightly packed casing perhaps avoiding a note 7 style issue although I
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doubt that very much that seems to be a tongue and cheek tongue firmly planted
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in cheek comment there a tongue modicon
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like literally right next to it yeah so that's that's how I figured out that it
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was tongue and cheek deductive reasoning very smart that's that is why that is
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why I am a YouTube sensation actually don't think anyone
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anywhere on Earth considers me a sensation I'm more I consider you a sensation lus thank you um is Canada on
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Earth does Trump's Earth include Canada tell me I'm not a citizen you tell
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me uh okay reviewers are stating they're seeing nowhere near Apple's claimed
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10hour battery life The Verge reported 5 to six hours while Business Insider got
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a more promising 8 hours under ideal
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conditions 6 hours under normal use which is a shame because Apple
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historically has advertised battery times that have been fairly aligned with
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um real world usage even going after other companies for exaggerating their
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claims quite frankly I have no idea what
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anyone's battery life ratings are based on yeah like I'm looking at I have the
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thing in front of me and The Verge guy says he he kept open Slack Safari mail
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tweetbot and texted at Wasington the occasional YouTube video and opening
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various Apple apps here and there for testing why thank you um so I mean yeah
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that's a reasonable workload but L knows how they tested it in copertino or you
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know how anyone else uses it so so this
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news comes after Apple's claims that the lack of a 32 gig option was due to a
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focus on power savings uh General
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performance trackpad keyboard and touch bar are all considered positives
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depending on who you ask I know there are a lot of developers that that are
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upset about the removal of the top row
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as a not okay and I got to be really clear about my wording here got to be
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really careful um so a lot of people are saying there's no physical Escape key
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while technically a touch pad with like
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a spot on it is physical but it's not like a button you can physically push
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down on and then something happens as a result of a keyboard actuator thing so a
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lot of developers are upset about the lack of a physical which to be clear is
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still physical it does exist in the physical plane of existence it's it's
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not telepathy it's not spiritual yeah um but the lack of a physical Escape key
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and um Lewis Rossman in particular is
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the only person I've really seen this complaint from but is super upset about
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the louder keyboard um I haven't personally tried it yet my MacBook Pro
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is going to arrive in like Monday should arrive Monday or
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Tuesday I like how you need to look at your watch for that cuz I was thinking
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you're to say like two hours Monday I didn't know what day of the week it was
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I W Friday W show come on I know I know
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that like cognitively I know that but emotionally I don't know that
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spiritually I don't know that physically I might know it yeah well this is been a
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very taxing time for like my my chi and whatnot too but emotionally There's No
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Escape eat Arby's dude like Escape because of the oh oh oh okay seven out
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of 10 Luke would have caught that four out of 10 co-host well you know what I'm
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sorry I'm not Luke I I try to grow a beard out it's it's itchy it comes in
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patchy you know I tried you know sorry
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you know there's more to the Luke package than just the uh just the beard
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yeah it's like 90% that though um all right so I think this seg weighs pretty
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perfectly into a short discussion
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on our video about the MacBook proos
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lack of a 32 gig option our much
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maligned video video about the lack of a
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32 gig option now okay John actually
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wrote the video it was hosted by Luke but I also proof Reddit so to be very
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clear I'm not going to try and pin the blame on anyone we all
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collectively didn't consider or
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missed that the reason so that the the
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electrical traces connected from one thing to another thing reason that the
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MacBook Pro 2016 only comes in 16 gig options or
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less is that the Skylake CPU in it only
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supports 16 gigs of lpddr3 on a single
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Channel we all kind of collectively derped on that so we're sorry our
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bad however that doesn't really change
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any of the overall message especially in
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light of the reviews for the MacBook Pro coming in um complaining about the
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battery life so John do you want to kind of give us the top level summary of what
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we were trying to achieve by investigating the power consumption of
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RAM uh mostly that RAM modules are not
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only small in size and not terribly difficult to fit in the mobile device
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like a laptop um but they're also
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typically um one of the lower power consum
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components of any system whether desktop or laptop um if you watch the video
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obviously we tested like a bunch of different ramp configurations in the Predator um we're using ddr4 S so dims
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which are actually the same voltage as the lpddr3 that they're using in the
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MacBook Pro was 1.2 volts and so it would take an engineer at Intel or
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Samsung or Apple or something to tell us the exact
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like milliwatt difference or whatever yeah they're not they're not exactly the
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same but they do run the same voltage so you'd expect them to be similarish you
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know so when we were so when we ran you know we we did everything from you know
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one stick of eight to two sticks of 16
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in the in the Predator there's only two s so dim slots in the Predator but we
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did this and uh the differences while they were there they were quite they
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were very very marginal when you looked at the actual battery capacity um the
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difference between the most draining and the least draining RAM config it was
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about 100 um millatt hour yeah it was about 100 millatt hours um about 4% of
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the battery no matter which way you slice it so um in that vein we were just
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the point we were trying to make was more I'm not sure that power consumption
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is like the best explanation for this even have they gone with ddr4 even if
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the power would have been like a little the power consumption would have been more of a concern it seems to me anyway
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that the bigger concern would have possibly been space because obviously if
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you put in the sodm you have the sloth there there's some additional bulk as
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opposed to or even if you were to solder on 32 gigs of ddr4 that would still take
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up more PC space and it is an extremely small PCB so like Lina said it was sort
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of a team effort derp if you will on
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that but um but at the same time it does
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I still am kind of raising my eyebrow a little bit as Luke said in the video
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about why exactly that design design decision was made so and to be clear we
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are also aware that implementing dual
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Channel memory versus single Channel memory may have also affected power
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consumption absolutely but then back to John's point where the greatest Delta we
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were able to observe testing different
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RAM amounts in different systems was
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4% of a predator battery a predator battery
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which is how many because you could probably do the math because the well 4%
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is 4% so it' be 4% of any battery 4% of overall power consumption oh I guess it
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could be more no no no because we met measured it in mwatt hours which is like
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a unit of energy so I think yeah so so it's not it's not that but it's more
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that the difference between the lowest and highest was so little and it was so
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insignificant that yeah so so in response then let's say let's say 5% to
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cover our bases let's say if they had allowed a dual channel 32 gig option
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that might have consumed 5% more power and let's say that that would have
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added you know this much PCB space or whatever the case may be um let's say
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let's say that was the answer it doesn't change the conclusion of our video the
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conclusion of our video where we say
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ultimately it came down to some kind of
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manipulation of people's upgrade Cycles
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or some kind of space saving
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measure ultimately that is still the answer did we Overlook an important
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point in arriving at our conclusion yes and for that again we are very sorry but
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that really doesn't change that the reason this happened is not due to power
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consumption it is part of an equation
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that has multiple variables there's a power consumption equation there is a
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performance equation there is a space equation and there is a heat equation
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there's there's actually there's many many many many many variables so for
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Apple to come out and say it was due to to power consumption it was to keep
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power consumption acceptable is still a
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ridiculous statement because that is not the entire truth it is a fraction it is
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it is the X in an equation that also has y z a b and c variables yeah it it might
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not be as good but it also if they put in ddr4 and gave you a 32 gig option
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it's not like battery life would just Plum it so yeah it's it's a little bit
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and there's also you also have to wonder if is it the same thing with the SSD you
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know because you know part of the reason is getting a little bit hammered on the
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reviews like oh the ssds are soldered on everything's soldered on and you think
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about how big um an m.2 2280 SSD how
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small these are well Apple managed to fit them in their laptops before there
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we go yeah so you also have to think about that too you you arrive at the
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same conclusion though is it space management is it trying to affect
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people's upgrade Cycles I guess that's the nicest way you can say it but you
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know I guess it's just a little bit unclear at this point so so basically
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there you go right conclusion wrong
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methodology lus Media Group okay um lus
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Media Group we try yeah we we try we try
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darn it please please look at us as like the
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lovable tryhards and not the completely inept terrible people lovable tryhards I
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hope you're not comparing us to like the Cleveland Browns L us uh yeah we do win
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sometimes with things that we try to do yeah we we do win sometimes apologies to
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any of our fans from Cleveland but yeah
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kind of been a rough time for them anyway um okay moving on to our next
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topic so this is also from 9 to5 Mac and
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this was posted by hey yo the new Macbook Pro outsold every
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competing laptop in its first five days
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of being on sale so now to be clear the
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the way that they arrive at this data is actually not not based on numbers that
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are being released by Microsoft Dell ASUS Lenovo and apple because apple to
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my knowledge hasn't shared any sales numbers of the new Macbook Pro yet so
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this is based on um blah blah component orders uh
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component orders and slice
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intelligences something or other something something something I can't
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remember I'm going to go back to my notes because that's where I have the
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information that I'm trying to tell you um no no I read the article so I knew
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that that thing okay yeah yeah here we go so it comes from the data comes from
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analyzing email receipts among its panel
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of 4.4 million online Shoppers so this is not by any means
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comprehensive but it also isn't a completely insignificant sample size
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with that said depending on how you obtain your sample audience uh like oh I
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don't know say for example you get people to join your panel on exclusively
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Apple websites for example um well obviously that's going
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to affect the sales of Max proportional to PCS in your in your testing um in
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your in your data um so we don't really know much about that but what we do
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know is that in five days it achieved a
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sales number that is slightly less than here let me just pull up this graphic
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here it's cut off on the bar next to it which is awesome um so it is almost
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double the D X PS 13 the newest MacBook
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uh it is almost
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quadruple the Microsoft something what is that it's cut off why is this cut off
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that is that is just horrible like CSS I guess here we go so let's go over to
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intelligence. slice.com here we go so the newest MacBook Pro is almost caught
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up to the 12-in MacBook which was a I
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guess even by Apple standards is now officially a turd um because it's been
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on sale since April of 2015 it has crushed the Surface Book by
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almost 4X it has crushed the ASUS Chromebook
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flip which I'm really actually not sure what that has to do with the MacBook Pro
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but it's a completely separate Market segment they're targeting sure yeah uh
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40% Apple laptop buyers from 2014 14
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purchased their next laptop from another brand which is pretty interesting I
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guess uh MacBook Pro Shoppers mirror Apple watch early
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adopters so 20% female 80% male those
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all very interesting data I mean again we don't really know much about where
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they get their data set from exactly uh their sample size is not comprehensive
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or anything like that but uh there you have it um I guess a lot of
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people fancy themselves Pros and uh bought a MacBook Pro so they can show
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off how Pro they are very Pro when they pull it out in class nothing screens Pro
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like the touch bar hey nothing screams like when I pull it out in
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class I think we've all been
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there you know what I want to hear from
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I want to hear from you guys strouble yeah we got to straw pull
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this okay so hey on the MacBook Pro 2016
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okay
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deserved and I'm actually going to get you guys to rate it on a scale of one to
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five so five is the most
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deserving and one is going to be the
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least least desing bro um well you know what not all of us
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are perfect you know not all of us are trained proof readers
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aren't you also like our editor and chief I wasn't trained to do that you
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went to school to proofread things no I didn't that's what lawyers do that's
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like a tiny part of what lawyers do we we don't have proofreading class in law
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school we don't do that well it's important to proof Reed and I'm sure
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they cover the importance of it in law school I just figured you would be able
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to type the numbers one through five in succession without much difficulty
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perhaps I was wrong perhaps you were Li
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is going be is going to fire me after the show is over with by the way so no I
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don't have to fire you I can Deport you I don't think I can actually no you have
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to get trudo to do that for you and he he would probably try to talk to me about my feelings before that happen so
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jokes on you oh are okay hold on a
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second is this really going to become
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like a head of state Showdown well
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because I will put Trudeau up against Trump any day of the week even in a fist
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fight your head of state is Queen Elizabeth not Justin Trudeau that's
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that's uh that's fair and I really does she know it anymore I mean what is she
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like 110 I either way I wouldn't want to
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see her M get into a fist fight I don't think that would turn out very well
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she's kind of a badass lady cuz she sick the corgis on somebody she could do that
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the role of corgis I had no idea she like served in World War II oh she was
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like yeah what did she do I think I remember hearing about this she was a driver for like a something something
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but it wasn't like it wasn't a purely cereem role things yeah there we go that's
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actually kind of aw apparently her dad was Furious but it was just like uh yeah
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like she's actually like way cooler than I uh than I thought yeah well I mean hey
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let's see you be like still awesome when you're like a billion years old so you
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know what's you know what's really interesting about the results for our straw pole apparently I'm psychic
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because the least important option was the one I glossed over we didn't have a
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two and no cares only 6% of the people
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would have even voted for your two maybe the twitch viewers were just trying to
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spite me it would not have affected the results of the
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election unlike Gary Johnson and Jill
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Stein okay yeah there's an argument that could be made for
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that all right so there you go apparently most of you are pretty much
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on board with Apple's latest Mac Pro pretty much deserving the hate that it's
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getting right now with that said you know what okay we're going to move on to
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our next topic but I want you guys to answer this next draw poll in the
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meantime who knows someone who bought
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one and I'm okay I'm not talking like
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you watch uh a twitch streamer who bought personally know someone yeah you
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have to personally know them you have to have you have to have spoken to them in
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the last six months or like emailed them
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in the last month or IM IMD them in the
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last like two weeks or something like that I know someone who was very close
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but they ultimately
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Sher but with like a mouthful of mashed potato doesn't he always kind of sound
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like he has a mouthful of mashed potato I think you read it fine lonus thank you
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uh okay so this is if you're confused by
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the end of me scrolling down this page let me tell you that I am uh firmly in
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the same camp as you are it's pretty bad so Gamers fall into several camps device
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size main processor type OS screen size budget time
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spent The Gaming Community is so large that no single demographic can Define it
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moving on lordy okay so okay we got your
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PC then we got your desktop notebook and
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there's a new category that maybe they'll add just to make things a little
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bit more confusing I have that handheld PC that we're releasing a YouTube video
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on very soon Windows 10 handheld device okay so then you got your discreet you
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got your you got your onboard you got your discreet you got your onboard don't
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forget to add external like if we just want to make this this chart
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phenomenally yeah like a razor core something Razer core Razer core don't
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forget about that then in discreet you got your mainstream performance
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Enthusiast workstation um okay and you got your discreet
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notebook mainstream rich media workstation I like how the differences
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between these are just so obvious from this chart Enthusiast is missing I last
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time I checked there a GTX 1080s in notebooks but I guess we're not going to
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stress is that Enthusiast or is that like you know or is or is Titan X
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Enthusiast okay and then everything ultimately makes its way to a display
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gotcha we would hope the tears for gamer time commitment are light moderate
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intensive and extreme okay and that oh hold on a
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second um and then there's this thing
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what so there's a semiconductor Fab
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which goes to the discrete GPU supplier
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which go to contract manufacturer
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so this is AMD or NVIDIA I'm I'm going to do my best to make my way through
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this so This goes to your TS and your um
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uh like ASUS's and gigabytes of the world who actually take those chips and
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like buy memory and pcbs and bolt them all together so they sell them to aib
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Partners mostly so that would be guys
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like your EVGA of the world um yeah Zotac no Zac's a manufacturer that's
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right they they are so but uh Gigabyte and no Gigabyte is a manufacturer in
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fact I'm actually really I'm just going off the rails today I guess there's been
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a lot of consolidation in the um in the
29:10
in the actual assembly and
29:13
brand um space so it used to be that
29:17
there were a handful of Manufacturers your your foxcon and your whoever else
29:22
um and then it was like a lot of guys rebranding like The BFG texts of the
29:27
world uh but but nowadays A lot of them are more vertically integrated or
29:32
they're just kind of a brand name that
29:35
has a manufacturer above them so yeah
29:39
that would be things like GX for example
29:42
like GX owns manufacturing even though
29:45
the Galax brand itself is just a like a
29:49
a fabricated brand targeting North
29:52
America um for that much larger company
29:56
okay so uh some of them go to oems so
29:59
that would be your Dells of the world um some of them go to special systems so
30:02
there's your boutique Builders um okay from aib some goes to
30:07
distribution some goes to is direct sales supposed to be I
30:14
guess retail and etail well I guess if you're buying off of evga.com instead of
30:18
newegg.com that would be direct sales I think they mean
30:21
retail I think that's what they actually or maybe distribution channel is meant
30:26
to be retail well yeah cuz cuz cuz new is basically retail right so like if
30:29
you're if you're buying it off of there instead from epga side that yeah and
30:33
there's absolutely okay direct so they're saying 10% direct sales okay
30:36
that's problem so 82% so let's call that direct to retailer sales and distribut
30:42
Distributors like uh DNH and uh ingr micro and all that kind of stuff okay
30:47
some of the oems go to embedded in special systems suppliers wait so hold
30:51
on from special systems for direct sales to so is this supposed to be the consumer
30:56
maybe okay I'm not actually no cons because consumers are here yeah all the
31:00
the red is all going to Consumers after
31:03
like once you get to aib and then distribution channels some goes to
31:06
Enterprise but we don't have percentages for that some goes to government presumably they need graphics cards too
31:11
does not include workstation okay okay so the conclusion here is approximately
31:16
73.8% of all Graphics aibs end up in
31:19
gaming PCs which is a very interesting
31:23
conclusion but I'm not 100% sure that I
31:26
can um agree with that necessarily
31:31
um just because one thing that is not
31:35
tracked that closely by Enthusiast press is the sales of things like GT
31:41
240s I had no idea like back when I was
31:45
working at NC and I was the product manager for zotek um we weren't selling
31:51
a lot as Zotac um but it turned out that
31:55
we were like by far the biggest seller
31:59
of like the high-end stuff and at ncx I was also managing MSI and EVGA at the
32:04
time so I'm seeing like these huge numbers on things like you know GTX uh
32:10
680s or whatever it would have been at the time that I was still working there
32:14
um like huge huge numbers on like $500 $600 graphics cards and I'm sitting here
32:18
going yeah a very small Revenue number so it turns out you know talking to
32:22
people who know people who know people I'm not going to name any names I don't
32:26
want to throw anyone under the bus but like the kind of numbers that a brand like
32:32
Zotac um where they're basically Best Buy exclusive the kind of numbers
32:36
they're doing on stupid cards like GT 730s and 610s whatever huge like huge it
32:45
blew my mind I'm like maybe I just
32:48
haven't spent enough time standing in Best Buy by the video card
32:53
counter watching for people to come up and try and buy that crap so that I can
32:57
tell them to turn around walk away and to be clear like this is something a lot
33:02
of people got really confused about in the video that I made a couple years ago
33:07
called low-end this this video card is garbage no one buy it or something like
33:11
that I understand that some people just
33:15
need a basic graphics card because they're Onboard video died or whatever
33:19
or they want to hook up two monitors I get it the problem is that a lot of
33:24
these cards are like $70 $80 $90
33:29
when if all you need is an output you can get those for like 30 bucks that's
33:35
my point the point is they are priced
33:39
very close to cards that are legitimately good to accelerate games or
33:44
video editing or or any GPU accelerated workload they're they're close but the
33:49
performance is closer to the $30 one that's the problem anyway huge numbers
33:54
of these people buy I had no idea I was
33:58
completely ignorant of that um but let's
34:01
say for a second that their numbers are right let's go back to let's go back to the confusing article based on Steam
34:06
user data we conclude that 16.5% of desktop machines used for gaming are
34:10
using Intel integrated Graphics southeast Asia is apparently what
34:14
they're going based on represents about 6.5% of GL Global steam users steam data
34:19
does not differentiate desktop from notebook Graphics the same percentage to
34:22
Intel for notebooks and based on the AMD to Intel integrated notebook ratio
34:28
quarterly data collection of mobile integrated okay for the past seven years
34:32
the three major vendors install base for gpus for PC gaming declined slowly
34:36
following the PC's decline console data something something
34:41
okay So eventually we end up with GPU gaming Hardware Market 30 billion PCS
34:47
something uh consoles okay so basically the
34:52
conclusion is and it's um it's kind of a
34:55
it was kind of a it was kind of a clicky sort of
34:59
um thought experiment but the conclusion
35:02
is that when x86 based gaming is examined AMD is the clear winner and I
35:08
was kind of looking at that going okay I'll see where you're going with this
35:11
with x86 based machines falling into three platforms consoles notebooks and
35:17
desktops um when tracking equipment they considered the install base of the
35:22
latest consoles so the Xbox One the Wii and the Wii U and the Sony PS4
35:29
um and the uh blah blah blah Adam boards
35:34
for gaming um yeah so okay so so there you
35:41
have it PC data Intel is the this is the
35:46
conclusion Intel is the volume leader in integrated gpus and PCs NVIDIA is the
35:50
leader in discret gpus in PC which I was
35:54
not exactly a great mystery to anyone then when you look at X 6 as a whole
36:00
more gamers are playing on Radeon
36:03
graphics than Intel and NVIDIA combined which is not strictly speaking true
36:07
because I don't believe AMD applies their Radeon branding to
36:12
console products I wonder how much of that is uh PS4 and Xbox One I I think um
36:19
let let me see so this says um they
36:23
actually call it Radeon um gcn architecture on for the Xbox one so I
36:27
don't know I don't know if they put that they stick that on the box or Microsoft puts that
36:32
anywhere that's really visible to a consumer but that is what I've what I've
36:35
seen so um one way to find
36:41
out uh here we go oh yeah yeah the the the
36:46
um the shot of the uh the chip itself yeah let's pull up a shot of the chip so
36:50
is that it or oh well that's clearly not on an Xbox because it says Sony Computer
36:55
yeah this is a PS4 Apu so thank you
37:00
internet okay so no are they both
37:04
rocking sort of like well the Xbox one doesn't have an APU style sub does it
37:07
doesn't it like if you look look at the shot the whole board isn't it CPU and
37:11
then GPU somewhere else no I thought they were both apus okay I could be
37:14
wrong I don't know but yeah I I frankly I don't pay as close attention to uh
37:19
console stuff as I as I probably probably should and possibly could um
37:25
speaking of no yeah you're right yeah um speaking of consoles our PS4 Pro arrived
37:31
are you how's that going um well yeah um
37:35
we're going to be getting started on that uh very very early next week um it
37:39
should be quite interesting I appreciate you guys's um great response and
37:42
feedback for the um we did the Xbox One S versus $500 PC video um so we look
37:48
forward to um bringing you something else um worthy of your time for the PS4
37:54
Pro I'm looking forward to getting started all that pretty soon yeah so do you have any thoughts on um on some of
38:00
the some of the sort of comments on PS4 Pro so far apparently it runs much
38:05
hotter than the original PlayStation 4 and uh performance doesn't scale very
38:09
well does that remind you of
38:13
anything performance not scaling well and it runs hotter oh yeah
38:20
Crossfire dual GPU man me a second dual
38:23
GPU would you do it only if I needed to
38:27
only if I needed to only if like Define
38:31
need let's say that let's say someone had a gun to your family's head saying
38:35
if you don't put two graphics cards we starting in your system then we're
38:39
starting out with excessive violence I mean what is need oh so for me it's like
38:44
suppose like I'm walking down the street and I happen to find like oh here's an
38:48
ultra wide monitor or oh Lions is just giving me two 4K screens he doesn't need
38:53
anymore cuz he's such a nice guy you know so and if wow keep trying
38:58
if I just want I have no need for dual 4K screens
39:02
but anyway if if I was if I was in a
39:05
situation where I have some sort of setup in front of me that I want to take
39:08
full advantage of where I'm like oh well this won't be smooth unless I do the
39:13
Dual GPU then I would go for it but
39:17
again that's not something it's not something that I'm going to be looking
39:20
to do in my personal rig or anything like that so just not worth it yeah at
39:24
least in my opinion okay let's uh um let's actually
39:29
oh you know what we should probably do is get back to that straw poll that we
39:32
promised to bring everyone the results 133% for yes so 133% of our at that time
39:38
about 5,000 viewers knew someone who
39:42
bought one already so let's say let's say for the sake of
39:46
argument that uh let's let's do some uh
39:49
gfx whatever that site was called math mhm so five so so 300 million
39:58
it's actually closer to like 330 million right oh people in the US I think it's
40:02
like 320 320 million whatever let's assume let's assume there are 10 million
40:06
in Canada um okay there's 1 million in
40:09
Canada divided by
40:13
5,000 okay so uh hold on so hold on
40:18
divided by 5,000 so that means uh times
40:22
times 133% I've I've actually lost myself with
40:26
what I'm doing here here hold on a second maybe try again what are you
40:29
trying to do exactly I'm trying to figure out how many people bought
40:32
MacBooks MacBook Pros well there's also the fact that the 1 13% times 30 well
40:38
the the 133% of our viewers they're also skewed because we have a more Tech
40:42
oriented audience so they're more likely to know someone to bought the Macbook so Apple has sold 42,900 no 42 yeah 42 mil
40:50
900,000 MacBook Pros so far in the us alone the numbers don't lie you heard it
40:55
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no escalations that's pretty key like like let's escalate this to someone else
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who doesn't know what the answer is like that's horrible I'm glad they have no
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support for something and then they escalate to a manager but they also have
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no idea what's going on oh I thought you were going somewhere else with that I thought you were going to say no
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escalation so what that so if they don't know the answer they just hang
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up I'm not going to ask stupid questions about the sponsor are in the sponsor SP
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give me a little bit of credit it's more credit than I get oh more credit than I
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deserve I think wow all right so
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speaking of more credit than uh positive
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come on forget Mars president Trump president-elect
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Trump president-elect trump which is not the same um although he did settle the
46:49
Trump U I heard about that yep so he settled it for 25 million in spite of
46:53
saying he wouldn't settle it um and that
46:56
it was a bunch of nonsense listen to your lawyers folks Yep they're trying to
47:00
help you they're trying to help you um in this case they probably helped him
47:05
hold on to the presidency because settling was definitely the better
47:08
option here um forget Mars Trump wants
47:12
NASA to visit Jupiter's moon Europa and explore the solar system so that's good
47:18
but it's only talk until there's actually like a um you know check that
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gets written but his new space plan focuses on promoting a private public
47:28
partnership as well as setting ambitious goals for NASA Trump plans to bring back
47:34
the National Space Council last in operation under George HW Bush with the
47:38
goals to explore deep space and encourage commercial Partners to build a
47:43
new economy in low earth orbit space
47:46
Council would be headed by the Vice President so does Mike Pence have like
47:52
space credentials I hope so I actually I had
47:57
read the notes on this one um space
48:00
credentials Mike Pence let's have a look
48:03
here well he used to be governor of in Indiana and that is a state that at one
48:07
point tried to set the value of pi to be
48:10
exactly three by legislative Fiat so that happened that was a long
48:16
time ago to be fair we've actually got a lot of Articles here for um missing
48:22
credentials I like how you actually Google space credentials
48:27
I said that in the worst possible way but you went with the space
48:31
credentials well I'm not showing off my Google Foo right now because I really I
48:34
really don't I really don't think he has a degree in astrology no it's I'm just
48:38
I'm just I'm just giving him a hard time it's it's it's fine and that was intentional by the way I know astrology
48:42
is not astronomy oh um I didn't even catch
48:47
that what's your sign lonus what's my
48:50
sign stop that's how you that's that's the
48:55
that's that's the counter to that pickup line what's your sign stop sign but I'm
49:00
not trying to pick you up how do I
49:04
know I mean it's not the first time that's happened on the WAN Show so you
49:08
know just saying do we have a chat with Luke about workplace
49:12
boundaries we need to have a chat with me about workplace boundaries we really
49:15
really do all right so uh the space Council would be headed by the Vice
49:19
President uh he also has plans to abandon climate research transfer Earth
49:23
monitoring funding from NASA to NOAA and
49:27
strengthen the US military stance in orbit so reminds me a bit of what Reagan
49:31
was trying to do with the SDI back in the80s like a little bit it's not not the same thing obviously though I
49:35
actually I I had I have never followed
49:39
um and you know what I think if nothing
49:42
else this is a testament to the
49:45
effectiveness of reality TV and the
49:50
incredible concoction more potent than cocaine heroin and meth combined that it
49:56
has turned out to be ever since Survivor burst onto the scene a bazillion years
50:01
ago um but I have never followed us
50:05
politics before in my life other than being vaguely aware that like Obama or
50:11
something was President whole change or something and he wasn't an old white man
50:16
for the first time ever which is surprising because all I heard was
50:19
Canadians follow our politics more than your own I don't know if that's true oh
50:22
I still followed it I I followed it more than my own um anyway
50:27
until Trump I had never really followed it now all of a sudden I'm like I'm
50:32
reading about Congressional races and I'm reading about what some weird
50:36
Senator and wherever the crap is stand uh was doing and like all of a sudden I
50:41
have like this interest in American politics um so I have no idea what
50:46
Reagan tried to do in the 80s and if you be if you want to enlighten me then go
50:50
ahead uh basically um so talking about
50:54
building stuff in low earth orbit um SD I the Strategic Defense Initiative it
50:58
was to have I believe weapons placed in low earth orbit to sort of counter the
51:03
Soviets everyone call it Star Wars so basically it's an episode of
51:09
Animaniacs re oh no U oh pinky in the brain pinky in the brain why did I think
51:12
Animaniacs wow I was think it's it's because it started as a segment on
51:16
Animaniacs and then it became its own show later on so um didn't know that but
51:21
thank you that was a great recovery for me you're hired again oh I see what you
51:26
did there because The Apprentice yeah um no I didn't oh oh well you're making me
51:31
I making you look great you're making me look like there's so many layers to what
51:35
I'm saying this is awesome let's see um proposed missile defense system intended
51:40
to protect to protect the US from Attack by Ballistic strategic nuclear weapons
51:44
such as icbms from the Soviets so this was this was like proposed back in like
51:49
the mid 80s um I think you know day taunt and all that was happening but the
51:53
cold war still going on and so Reagan was like hey why don't we just put
51:57
counter measures in space and um he was serious about it but I think the funding
52:00
wasn't there it didn't happen but you know but yeah so it was a little bit
52:05
before my time obviously but cool all right uh let's move on this was posted
52:10
by good tofu good to good tofu Friday on
52:13
the Forum the original article is from maxc console.com good tofu Friday which
52:18
sounds like um like an amazing like like
52:22
PlayStation superhero or something so at nmtw has tweeted out the
52:29
first picture of a PS4 Pro console melting down that is just painful after
52:34
a few hours of using it now the thing that makes my
52:40
skepticism helmet appear in my hand to
52:43
be put onto my I don't actually have a skepticism helmet so I'll bear this line
52:46
is Tech tips mug um but I got I need a skepticism helmet
52:51
because every AMD and Intel CPU and
52:56
anyway for like 10 years has had a
53:00
thermal throttling mechanism built into it that will cause the system to shut
53:05
down or in I don't know if AMD has this but Intel definitely does or in Intel's
53:10
case um caus the CPU to throttle so
53:14
aggressively that many of them can actually continue to run without a heat
53:19
sink on them I don't actually know if the current ones can do that but there were chips where you could pull the heat
53:24
sink off and they would run albeit very slowly with little to no cooling on
53:29
them um so it's it's actually been a
53:34
very long time since chips have had no
53:39
thermal protection cut off mechanisms
53:42
whatsoever and they usually kick in around the 100 to 105 110 degree Mark so
53:50
for someone to have had a PlayStation 4
53:53
Pro melt and I guarantee you that plastic doesn't melt at
53:58
100° I guess possible no no there's no
54:02
way I'm I'm sticking with that statement this plastic doesn't melt at 100 degrees
54:07
also for the air the exhaust air to be
54:13
100° the chip itself has to be hotter
54:17
than that because that's how thermal transfer works is it is a difference in
54:22
temperature that causes heat to move
54:25
from one to another one when we're talking about conduction that's that's
54:30
how it moves between them is that one of them has to have less than the other
54:34
that's how it works it's like equilibrium and crap it's a diffusion
54:38
same kind of principle I'm not a scientist don't worry about that part
54:42
the the fact of the matter is that chip would have to be hotter than the air
54:47
coming out of that vent although this
54:51
isn't a vent so the chip could be like a little bit further away but again the
54:55
chip would have to be hotter than the PCB that's bone that's
54:58
connected to the you know heat sink bone that's connected to the you know bracket
55:03
bone or whatever whatever's next to that plastic I don't buy it the last time I
55:10
had a component legitimately die due to
55:14
inadequate Cooling and we're talking like a CPU or a GPU an advanced
55:18
component that has like a lot of safeties and logic built into it was I
55:23
believe a 79 00
55:28
GT I want to say 7900 GT because it was
55:32
back in the days that I was still running uh MCW 60 GPU only blocks on my
55:39
SLI video cards and I ran the system
55:44
with no water in one of them somehow I I don't remember it was some careless
55:48
error and my GPU block
55:51
melted like and the card died that's the
55:54
last time that's happened has has this been um is this
56:00
uh what's the word I'm looking for has anyone really duplicate has it been
56:04
duplicated on mass this result of
56:08
melting PS4 Pros because people were claiming it's a hoax and I'm wondering
56:12
how many people exactly are reporting this you know because it could just be a
56:15
guy who blowtorch yeah exactly so yep I
56:18
mean you look at how explosively viral like exposing a
56:23
critical flaw in a hot new product can be you know you back at something like
56:28
unbox therapy iPhone 6 B gate that has got 40 bazillion views or whatever it is
56:33
on YouTube that can be a great way to get
56:37
super internet famous super quickly
56:40
um I've got people saying there are many types of plastic and some do melt at
56:44
about 100 degrees Celsius yes I know that I just don't think they would make a game console that does run hot out of
56:49
it if they make plastic like serving spoons you can stick in boiling water
56:53
which is obviously at least 100° C then
56:56
you know you think they could make something for the PS4 fun fact boiling
57:00
water is not necessarily at least 100 degrees C depends on atmospheric
57:03
pressure yes I know and impurities in the water I minored in
57:08
chemistry I know I'm just giving an example of why they a harder plastic in
57:13
laboratory conditions at one atmosphere Perfect Purity it wouldn't be at least
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100° C it would be exactly 100° C
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because no more and no less once it goes up then it's water vapor I'm I'm just
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bugging him cuz I know he knows this stuff better than I do but I knew a thing and something he said was
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technically not quite perfectly
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completely explanative which is not a word and that's fine explanative of the
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entire situation technically explanative the best kind of explanative there we go
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a word entire twitch chats just like LMO Lin is trying to look scientific
57:46
explanative explanative is a word you win look at that really yeah check it
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out expl D serving to explain there you
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have it yeah
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well I'm happy um that made my
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day uh Warner Brothers acquires gaming
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culture Hub that's optimistic
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Machinima in a deal rumored to be valued at around a100 million why didn't we
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just start an MCN why do we bother trying to actually create content why
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don't we just Spam every single YouTube Creator and say hey we want to represent
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you give us some of your money and we
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will represent you I guess we wanted mentally and intellectually stimulating
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work that could lead us to an exciting future of living in the Box behind
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Arby's that's
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stupid but I'm totally on board let's keep doing it um all right so Machinima
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will operate as a wholly owned part of the recently formed Warner Brothers
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digital networks group uh the group houses the studios digital and
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over-the-top businesses Machinima reaches over over 151 million viewers
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each month whatever that's based on
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coordinates a talent network of over
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30,000 um exploit sorry people they have
59:08
people in there wow go hold back tell us how you really feel Machinima this is a
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quote Machinima is a strong gamer and fandom content and social brand with
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enormous what does that even mean I don't why you think I'm laughing strong
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gamer and fandom content and social brand fandom how do you you can brand
59:28
fandom content like I mean I kind of get what he's saying but it's they are a
59:32
brand but they're a okay in high engagement with audiences that play our
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games and are big fans of DC films and
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television shows what DC films are there you mean
59:45
Batman versus is anyone a fan of Batman versus Superman what do they have
59:49
besides Batman and Superman and I guess Wonder Woman is DC isn't she yeah she is
59:54
but I don't like is nothing it seems like Marvel has like the huge hype train
59:59
going and DC is like yeah we're here too
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we were cool back when Michael Keon with Batman that was pretty cool remember
60:06
that is that your kerit impression actually yeah it's not bad that's not oh
60:10
that's not even 100% kerit that's just me doing like this voice but I I can get
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a little I can get a little more Kermit very
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good maybe I'll use this as an opportunity to try and get people to
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watch that um Channel Super Fun murder
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uh to try try to watch that Marty Gro murder mystery video we did over on
60:30
Channel Super Fun that that no one liked I do my Kermit the Frog impression in
60:35
that video I like how you got Dennis to play a lawyer that was fantastic yeah
60:40
yeah we we got Dennis to we got Dennis to do something in that video that's for
60:44
sure all right the HTC Vive goes
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Wireless with a $220 add-on pre-order start start today
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now to be clear I am not endorsing this
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um is it going to kill the VR backpack
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Market uh if it works if it works if it
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works if it works yeah but and if it works I'm going to be eating my words so
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hard I've been telling people I think we're like 10 years away just because of
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Mostly because of latency issues yeah because of latency and bandwidth mhm I
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mean there wireless HDMI does exist and
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low latency video feed do exist but the latency has to be like spot on like your
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your BM the I9 was it at CES earlier this year where you had you had the the
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the rear view cameras and the latency was almost nothing yeah yeah it would
61:40
need to be like that it would need to be I should feel like I am looking out of
61:45
my eyes at a thing yeah um HTC's Vive
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Chief in China though tells upload VR
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that there is no noticeable difference in latency when using the tpcast
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peripheral which The Verge said and I am
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100% backing Sam bord on this is something
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we'd have to see for ourselves MH uh
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battery life is also a concern but grin says the regular battery can deliver
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about an hour and a half of Power with a bigger battery designed to be placed in
62:17
user pockets coming
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later so so it's going to be a little bit clunky but there's absolutely no way
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is I mean if it works if it works there's no way it will be clunkier than
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like a VR backpack solution here's the product um vive.com CN oh sorry so uh
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tpcast claims it adds less than two
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milliseconds which would be within the range of M probably reasonable so hey if
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they pull it off I will eat my words and I will do it happily because I would
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love to not have to carry the tether around and I never play for more than an
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hour and a half at a time because like by then your like your face thing on it
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yeah and in news that should surprise absolutely nobody I have almost tripped
63:04
over the cord once or twice while playing the vibe that we have here so so
63:08
I'm not sure if what I'm about to show
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constitutes a violation of twitch's
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terms of service maybe oh dear is this
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thing isn't it so this was posted by Steve Grabowski on the
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Forum the original article here is from
63:27
Kotaku um you know what why don't we just kind of how much can we shrink the
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page to make it like kind of kind of hard to see like how low how low res can
63:37
we make this you could just put like a little thing on top of yeah why don't I
63:42
why don't I do that why don't I do that but if the point is is that it's not
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censored like if the whole story is that it's not censored then it seems to kind
63:49
of defeat the purpose somewhat but you'll just have to take my word for it
63:53
or go Google it you know Google has lots of uh lots of naughty pictures on it I
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heard or Bing yeah really I can't believe they would allow such a thing so
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here we go watch dog 2 or Watch Dog 2
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Watch Dogs 2 apparently managed to get this through
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the ESRB and all the rating systems and all that but apparently has fully
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modeled female vaginas on some of the
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female uh models so this uh this
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screenshot um apparently from swizzasaur apparently proves that there is indeed a
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vagina in Watchdogs 2o now again getting
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into more technicalities here um the
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vagina would not necessarily be visible from the
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outside because of you know labia and
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stuff you might more accurately say fully modeled volvas because the vagina
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is kind of an internal I appreciate your use of all the proper terminology I feel
64:52
like I'm in health class in like eth grade again yeah so what we're actually
64:55
looking at in that picture that I had hidden from you guys is a fully modeled
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Volva with pubic hair not necessarily a
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vagina um and we don't really have any proof that there are fully modeled
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vaginas unless we also had like some kind of camera device that we could
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insert into the female characters but I suspect that did not make it into the
65:17
well this said is slip through certification why do we think it necessarily slipped through like um well
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probably because some Rogue artist or a
65:27
bunch of some people knew about it and some other people didn't so you're
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saying so you're saying it's not necessarily on there or in the game on
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purpose I'm saying that someone put it there on purpose well I mean well I'm
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talking about when I say on purpose I mean by the people who have the final Authority as to what it's going to look
65:43
like um yeah yeah okay so anyway in
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summary um kataku reports that if you
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take a picture and share it to prove this on PlayStation will temporarily ban
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your account which is interesting um so
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Goron 2000 says how he discovered this I
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received my copy of Watchdogs 2 on Saturday evening due to a mistake on
66:07
Amazon Prime and I've been having a great time with the game so far on
66:10
Sunday evening I accidentally blew up a few women in a back alley with a gas
66:14
pipe and then I saw it someone at Ubisoft had rendered a full vagina again
66:19
we don't know if it's a full vagina but definitely a full vulva or maybe more on
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one or maybe more of the females in the game and he shared a screenshot and had
66:27
his PlayStation account banned from using the game's online features um due
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to the image breaking Sony's code of contact despite the fact it's a game they're selling on their own platform
66:37
yes okay um all right so here's a leak from
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Toys R Us toysrus.ca I I doubt this is
66:47
still up yeah no I think this is just
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listed here because it's like the source or whatever but uh the the Nintendo
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switch is rumored to go on sale at uh
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$329.99 Canadian dollar which I guess we put it around
67:05
$249.99 us oh oh look okay look at that they do the math for 244 USD so but it
67:10
defin that it's going to be some it's going have a n at the end of it yeah uh
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probably probably 249 GBP sorry sorry
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Europeans and probably 249 Euro cuz the
67:22
conversion rarely works that way sorry guys um it's it's actually really funny
67:27
how Canadians whine so much about crappy pricing in Canada but more often than
67:32
not if we're not talking about like stupid kind of like Boutique fashion
67:37
brands or whatever else when it comes to electronics more often than not it's
67:41
prettyy much a straight conversion plus the additional Logistics cost that it
67:45
takes to get it up here and the additional cost of doing business that Canadian businesses go through like it's
67:49
actually Electronics pricing is not that bad it's just the Canadian dollar is
67:53
kind of all over the place have to ask is it suppose the cad reaches par with
67:59
our dollar again are the prices up here necessarily going to go down yeah it
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happens I I I've heard that it happens with certain things or to different
68:07
degrees but not with others like it's not like this uniform so it depends yeah
68:12
um Logitech for example and this this so
68:15
going back to my product management days Logitech used to assign their CAD to US
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exchange rate like once a year so back
68:26
in I think it was 08 when the Canadian
68:29
dollar absolutely plummeted um relative to the
68:34
USD Logitech pricing was like obscenely
68:39
expens or no hold on no was cheap yes Logitech was cheap and then it took them
68:44
so long to respond when the cad recovered and was actually I believe it
68:49
past the USD for a little bit um but they were basically par for quite some
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time uh Logitech products were just way
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overpriced in Canada and I took to sourcing them through the gray Market um
69:01
buying from us suppliers who were buying from us Distributors and then importing
69:06
them myself because it was the only way to get Logitech products that were reasonably priced so some manufacturers
69:13
make changes all the time and some of
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them basically don't adjust like
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um yeah so it really just depends it really just depends on and some of them
69:25
will only adjust if something really extreme happens and they'll just kind of
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absorb it if there are small fluctuations one way or the other so
69:32
someone like apple might set their Canadian pricing today and then if the
69:35
cad goes up relative to the USD it'll be like okay great we made some more profit
69:38
on that woo woo woo um not to say that they that they necessarily will because
69:43
not all of Apple's expenses are necessarily in US Dollars that's something people forget is just because
69:48
most companies go USA first USD first in
69:53
terms of their go to market strategy and their MSRP that doesn't necessarily mean
69:58
that the costs in their supply chain are in US dollars so sometimes even though
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the US consumer doesn't necessarily see this
70:07
they could be making more or less from month to month selling at the MSRP that
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they've assigned yeah you've got a contract manufacturing is foxcon Chinese
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or Taiwanese foxcon is uh Taiwan uh no
70:18
hold on a second I believe they're Taiwan based no crap they might be
70:21
Chinese based we can look it up very quickly hold on hold on hold on let me give a final answer before I'm China is
70:27
Taiwan crap so you have so you have
70:30
manufactur contract Manufacturing in Taiwan and obviously apple is not just
70:34
another tech they have Manufacturing in China oh I'm sure they do but you know
70:38
Fox's headqu in Taiwan but either either way but they have Manufacturing in Asia
70:41
and they're huge multinational so yeah there there's so much that goes on
70:45
that's not in USD so
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yep uh this is interesting original
70:53
article here was from RS techn was posted by laws on the Forum the FBI
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operated 23 tour hidden child
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pornography
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sites deployed malware from
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them so uh this is so researcher FBI was
71:15
likely enabled to run half of all child
71:18
porn sites on the
71:24
servers a little creepy a little ironic
71:27
yeah and like to be clear they were still actual functional child
71:33
pornography sites they they upgraded them to make them run smoothly and all
71:38
that stuff like they they they you imagine the IT person that's tked to do
71:42
that as like their job that would be very very stomach turning to say the
71:47
least yeah as long as it's not the scene from South Park which turns my stomach
71:51
you know the guy who monitors the security cameras in the change rooms
71:55
with the big bottle of lube next to him what episode was this ah I don't
71:59
remember sorry um but uh yeah basically
72:05
they were they were acting as as a as a giant um lure pretty much so they were
72:11
using the SES keeping them operating so
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so they were seizing them they were keeping them operating quietly and uh
72:19
then they were just using them to to track down people who were uh trying to
72:24
get child pornog it's like bait car but much more
72:27
disturbing that is like a very gray legal area though I mean the government
72:31
is running legal websites I don't know every single tiny
72:36
minute detail of that but I know generally um are you talking about like
72:39
entrapment or are you talking just about the fact they're actually running a
72:43
child porn sight to catch people no I'm not talking about entrapment because entrapments you have to be looking for a
72:48
child porn sight to find it yeah EXA exactly trapman okay do you want to
72:52
explain the difference you're the legal guy okay so um The General general rule
72:55
with entrapment in the US is just giving the like if you ever watched the show
72:59
bait car where the cops will they'll get a car and they'll leave it like they'll
73:03
take it to like a area that's like is high crime there's been a lot of car
73:06
thefts they'll park it in a parking lot around the curb and they'll just leave
73:10
it running and they'll walk away and they'll just wait for someone to come
73:13
and try to steal it and so um the person steals the car and they drive for a bit
73:17
but the the cops have like a they have a remote switch that can both kill the
73:20
engine and lock the door so not only does it demobilize the car but the per
73:24
can't go anywhere so they come in and make a very easy arrest and we have a bait car program here too and so you can
73:29
and the reason the cops can do this is because just giving someone the
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opportunity to commit a crime is not considered entament entament becomes a
73:37
defense when um basically the cops
73:40
induce someone to commit a crime they otherwise wouldn't have but it's like if
73:45
you go to court it's a hard an example oh gez um that's actually a good
73:49
question because it's so rare that like entament defenses are very hard to like
73:53
get through okay so let's come up with hypothe a hypothetical defense um next
73:59
to next to a a f water store they
74:04
unleash a swarm of angry bees on someone prompting them to run in shoplift one
74:10
and SWAT the bees and then they accuse him of stealing a fly water like is that
74:14
kind of would that be entament then I'm no expert but I feel like that's that's
74:19
a heck of a lot closer to it than you know some of the other stuff that I've
74:22
heard people think that that that people think qualifies as a travin so okay so
74:27
yeah but yeah I mean e even with that question aside yeah I mean I can see why
74:32
they're trying to do that but at the same time it's like you know it would be
74:36
like I said it would be pretty stomach turning to be like the people from the FBI who are actually working on that so
74:41
anyway speaking of stomach turning AT&T
74:45
oh my God AT&T will be downgrading
74:48
mobile video streams by default next year stream saver which you can opt out
74:53
of will limit video to DVD quality unless you turn it off now let's hold on
74:59
let's get through all the facts here in early 2017 they'll turn on stream saver
75:04
by default the company says they'll let people know when it goes into effect they'll include instructions on how to
75:07
disable it um you know what I'm going to be really really unpopular right now and
75:12
I'm going to say go for it I actually have no problem with this whatsoever I
75:16
was going to say the same thing I mean to me if you are if they as long as they
75:20
make it clear like this is happening here's how to disable it they make it
75:23
easy to because a lot of people if they're watching on a smartphone let's
75:27
say you're watching about this distance a lot of folks won't be able to tell a differ between 480 and 720 to begin with
75:33
and it'll also keep you from eating up tons and tons of bandwidth there are
75:37
some mobile providers that are offering like free YouTube now where it doesn't
75:40
count against your limit or free Netflix but not everyone does that and that
75:43
congests the network overall when what this will do is free up more bandwidth
75:48
for me when I'm trying to freaking I mean I'm not an AT&T customer but when
75:52
I'm like trying to freaking load up a map like right now and I'm in a hurry um
75:57
I I actually don't see this as a terrible way to lower congestion now you
76:02
could go you could just say well AT&T should just build more towers and they should bu but what you also have to
76:07
understand money is that does cost money and like that is a solution but is only
76:12
sort of a solution because there is a limited amount of like airspace reserved
76:18
for mobile data Spectrum Spectrum we like don't actually have a ton left so
76:24
finding ways to make better use of it is
76:27
actually a good thing and from my perspective and it's funny because it'll
76:31
be the tech enthusiasts who are the ones who are perfectly capable of turning
76:35
this off who are whining about this when
76:39
I don't think 95% of people will ever
76:43
even notice yeah it's look at how long
76:46
the move from DVD to Blu-ray took people
76:50
and that's that's on a big screen people don't
76:55
really care and that didn't even fully happen and no and the thing it got
76:59
replaced with was streaming which
77:02
enthusiasts will defend all day streaming is great yes it is but it also
77:07
is not a proper 1080p experience
77:11
compared to what we we have the technology we have where you can buy a
77:15
movie on a Blu-ray and it looks a lot better than if you stream it audio too
77:19
much better audio so so I'm kind of looking at this going yeah sure I kind
77:24
of agree with this this um so there's that I'm sure
77:29
that I'm going to do another I'm going to do another ranked video or I'm going
77:33
to do another ranked straw pull um while lus gets that set up um dad sent me a
77:39
text and he were talking about this celebrity starting the mooves to Canada he was wondering if you guys can also
77:43
take back Justin Bieber uh
77:47
no absolutely not why not why would
77:50
we pump some money into the Canadian economy people who like terrible music I
77:55
don't know pump some money no cuz the people who can the people who buy his
77:58
music are still here still putting the money into the economy he doesn't have
78:01
to be here for that concert though he can perform here without
78:05
living here what about like Survivor Canada we can send Bieber to like you
78:10
know somewh the Yukon Survivor Canada
78:13
send to the Yukon man I think survivor's gone now isn't it I think it's still
78:17
going I could be wrong it's been maybe it was American Idol that was gone now
78:20
or something find out Survivor um
78:25
they're on Survivor 33 now we've had
78:28
that many good lord it's so many let's see wow yeah we're still going okay
78:33
never mind then the series was renewed for a 33rd season Survivor Millennials
78:37
versus Generation X which sounds like the most horrible horrible concept for
78:42
Survivor series ever debuted on September 21st 201 don't they all sound
78:46
like the most horri this sounds especially
78:49
horrible um so apparently I am not that unpopular now for my thoughts on the
78:55
whole 480p thing what's like the most of
78:58
the least like is one least unpopular I didn't make that clear
79:05
so so this is either like really good or
79:08
pretty bad I'm not sure well at at least
79:11
you know that they feel strongly about about you one way or another and that's
79:15
better than apathy thank you John I appreciate that
79:20
he pays me to say this stuff no I'm kidding um all right last article for
79:25
the day this was posted by dat speed on the Forum Google will soon ban fake news
79:30
sites from using its ad Network this cutting off their revenue streams this
79:34
seems to be a direct response to the election of president-elect Donald Trump
79:39
um who I don't think Google has actually
79:42
officially acknowledged that they have any responsibility for it and Facebook
79:46
straight up went nope we're washing our hands of this um but basically fake news
79:53
including uh a a Blog that had risen to
79:57
the top of Google's results for us election final result or something like
80:01
that claiming that Trump had won the popular vote that didn't end up being
80:04
true at all um fake news and inaccurate
80:08
reporting played a large role one way or
80:12
the other in the election campaign that
80:15
we just witnessed would it have changed the outcome if everything that was
80:19
reported was true I don't know I'm not going to get into that it's not my
80:23
problem but what we do know is that Google even if they haven't said that
80:28
that's why they're doing it and even if they don't feel bad about their
80:34
involvement or whatever else the case may be they are moving to make that less
80:39
of a thing moving forward um by cutting
80:42
off AdSense from sites that use its ad
80:45
Network fund themselves create fake news to get headlines to get traffic and pay
80:50
themselves for posting misleading information I do hope that will help and
80:55
also Facebook I think super super super
80:58
new act together because the Facebook trending feature used to be pretty good
81:03
they got rid of their human editors if that if that headline I remember was
81:07
correct um they got rid of them they replaced it with an automated algorithm
81:11
and the stuff that appears now half of it is just complete junk and it's it's
81:15
similar to what's going on with Google I don't know if you've noticed this or not
81:19
I'm not sure how much time he spent on Facebook but very very little I post
81:23
updates to the LT Facebook page and then
81:26
I promptly navigate away from the site TR yeah trending is basically it's
81:31
basically garbage at this point on Facebook and what's sad is that both the
81:35
stuff that Google um is trying to deal with here and also with Facebook is um
81:40
is it's just like these fake news sites it's usually one of the two large
81:45
political Echo Chambers and that and people will gravitate towards whichever
81:49
one suits their preferences and they get their quote unquote news from there so
81:53
um but if you don't keep a close eye on this kind of stuff you're not going to
81:56
know you know you're not going to realize hey Something's Happened Here
82:00
where these sites are they're adjusting their you know they're adjusting either their SEO or how they write headlines or
82:05
anything else to to get to the top of these lists and be taken more seriously
82:09
which is why everyone should watch The W show the world's only source of actual
82:15
unbiased news and updates TM okay and on
82:20
that note we'll see you again next week same bat Time same bat Channel thanks
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everybody okay we're not
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off not done I press the button