WEBVTT 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:07.440 inside this absolute monster of a computer is AMD's threadripper pro 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:15.280 5995wx it packs a redonkulous 64 course 128 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:20.720 threads and a quarter Gigabyte of level 3 cache it runs at a whopping 2.7 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:23.039 gigahertz base and turbos up to 4.5 00:00:20.720 --> 00:00:28.880 gigahertz just look at it it uses the same zen 3 cores as AMD's ryzen 5000 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:35.120 consumer chips just four times as many of them making it 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:38.160 absolutely rip tastically fast hello new 00:00:35.120 --> 00:00:38.879 fastest CPU what the actual hell is this 00:00:38.160 --> 00:00:46.000 but what would you pay for the privilege of owning the fastest CPU in the world 00:00:43.680 --> 00:00:49.760 AMD figures it's a lot so much that instead of representing it 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:58.800 in dollars because the number is far too high we're going to put it this way 00:00:51.920 --> 00:01:04.239 the 5995 wx costs 4.6 3090 tis or 13 00:00:58.800 --> 00:01:06.159 xbox series x's 15 iphone ses or 216 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:10.720 high quality insulated circuit board water bottles from lttstore.com and the 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:14.799 wildest part they're not totally out to lunch on 00:01:12.479 --> 00:01:21.119 their pricing don't get me wrong i don't like it but this CPU came out five 00:01:18.240 --> 00:01:24.640 months ago and i'm only getting one now which means that someone is buying them 00:01:23.759 --> 00:01:31.439 all let's talk about who and why 00:01:28.320 --> 00:01:33.840 and our sponsor origin pc the Corsair 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:38.479 voyager origin edition features built-in s keys with elgato stream deck software 00:01:36.240 --> 00:01:43.200 and AMD advantage tech with the origin pc edition you can upgrade and customize 00:01:41.119 --> 00:01:46.799 the look with your favorite designs to learn more at the link below the most 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:53.520 obvious reason to shell out for a threadripper pro 5000 is performance we 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:56.720 compared it to AMD's own epic milan 7763 00:01:53.520 --> 00:01:59.200 which also has 64 zen 3 cores and 00:01:56.720 --> 00:02:04.000 representing high-end consumer cpus we included Intel's core i9 12900k and if 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:07.920 it doesn't dunk all over both of them AMD is going to end up pretty 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:12.560 embarrassed here a quick note about our testing we don't have some of these very 00:02:10.239 --> 00:02:16.480 expensive epic chips to test ourselves so we've got wendell over at level one 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:18.879 text to grab some results for us shout out wendell this video wouldn't have 00:02:17.760 --> 00:02:23.040 been possible without him so go subscribe like his videos buy his merch 00:02:21.040 --> 00:02:26.640 the team over there is amazing anyway benchmark time in cinebench while single 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:31.920 core performance is nothing to write home about compared with the 12 900k the 00:02:29.040 --> 00:02:37.200 multi-threaded performance is ridiculous and compared to the epic 7763 our 00:02:34.720 --> 00:02:42.640 threadripper pro shows a 10 improvement on single core performance with a 16 00:02:40.160 --> 00:02:48.720 uplift in multi-threaded performance and AMD continues to flex those rippling 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:50.959 bulging rendering muscles i mean look at 00:02:48.720 --> 00:02:59.120 this blender render it's competitive with an rtx 3090. when we're talking raw 00:02:54.480 --> 00:03:02.800 compute i repeat this CPU competes with 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:05.040 a GPU now obviously once you start using 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:10.000 things like optics to render that's no longer true but the idea of a CPU even 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:13.840 approaching a high-end GPU and rendering performance is 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:19.680 nuts and while the improvements over the epic 7763 don't seem that huge at first 00:03:16.959 --> 00:03:25.120 when we zoom in and just compare the zen 3 cpus that 20 improvement in gooseberry 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:29.519 becomes much clearer but we don't need to zoom in at all to see the massive 00:03:27.519 --> 00:03:34.640 7-zip performance uplift look at how this thing absolutely wipes the floor 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:37.760 with its zen 3 server sibling and the 12 900k 00:03:35.920 --> 00:03:43.040 it's lucky to even show up on the graph for context the 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:45.120 5995wx puts out more mips than some dual 00:03:43.040 --> 00:03:49.680 socket epic configurations the decompression rate on this thing is 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:55.040 confounding literally we looked at other outlets results and we don't really know 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:57.280 why our results are so high but clearly 00:03:55.040 --> 00:04:00.799 threadripper pro is making the most of zen 3's improved memory controller 00:03:59.200 --> 00:04:04.560 that's the extent of our epic data thanks again wendell the rest of our 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:08.560 results will just involve the 12900k and the new threadripper in our mozilla 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:12.959 compile well things don't really improve compared to the 12900k only shortening 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:16.320 the compile by a minute clearly this compile doesn't take advantage of all 00:04:14.720 --> 00:04:20.400 the threads we have available but you'd think in creative workloads this thing 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:24.080 should slay right paired with two gpus and a threadripper this workstation 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:28.800 should make easy work of the adobe sweet puget bench tests which unfortunately 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:32.960 actually ended up quite underwhelming in all three programs this eighteen 00:04:30.960 --> 00:04:37.600 thousand dollar workstation actually performed worse than a twelve nine 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:41.040 hundred k and a thirty ninety and this is a great example of how not all 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:44.479 workloads are necessarily going to benefit from just throwing more money at 00:04:42.880 --> 00:04:49.440 the problem looking closely at our results from puget bench for premiere 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:51.919 pro we can see that Intel just destroys 00:04:49.440 --> 00:04:55.280 when working on h.264 files thanks to their quick sync which boosts 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:59.520 performance but then pretty much everywhere else the threadripper comes 00:04:56.880 --> 00:05:04.880 out ahead however when we replace the included dual gpus with an rtx 3090 we 00:05:02.479 --> 00:05:08.800 see our behemoth pull ahead the reason well despite having two gpus in the 00:05:06.880 --> 00:05:13.919 system when you're editing adobe premiere only uses a single GPU with the 00:05:11.840 --> 00:05:17.759 second relegated to rendering only so the more powerful single 30 90 with its 00:05:16.400 --> 00:05:22.720 end bank encoder provides our threadripper pro with more opportunities 00:05:19.840 --> 00:05:28.479 to stretch its 64 legs wait a second yeah it's faster than a 12 900 k 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:30.639 but it's not 10 times faster 00:05:28.479 --> 00:05:34.400 how does this make any sense how does anybody buy this 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:39.440 okay no one sets pricing for their product in 00:05:36.880 --> 00:05:44.240 a vacuum so the first thing you do is try to understand your customer and 00:05:41.520 --> 00:05:49.120 since you know that nobody is going to put one of these in a freaking bang for 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:54.080 the buck gaming pc because that would be stupid and unnecessary AMD can 00:05:51.840 --> 00:05:57.440 rationalize this pricing by observing that well 00:05:55.360 --> 00:06:03.360 workstation customers are already used to spending 10 20 even 30 thousand 00:06:00.960 --> 00:06:07.600 dollars on a single machine i mean this one sent over by supermicro big thanks 00:06:05.919 --> 00:06:13.440 by the way guys super micro is the only reason we're even able to cover this thing because AMD didn't send one is 00:06:10.400 --> 00:06:15.919 worth about 18 000 us dollars 00:06:13.440 --> 00:06:22.319 and only about a third of that is the CPU itself it also packs closely water 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:24.240 cooling 256 gigabytes of 3200 mega 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:29.120 transfer per second ecc ddr4 memory three terabytes of high performance 00:06:26.400 --> 00:06:34.800 kyocera gen four NVMe ssds in raid zero and two AMD how does this come off 00:06:32.400 --> 00:06:39.199 i'm sure it comes out somehow two 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:41.039 AMD Radeon pro w6800 workstation gpus i 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:44.639 mean the thing's an absolute freaking tank so it kind of makes sense that it 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:49.919 would be priced like one the second thing that you do then is you scope out 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:51.440 the competition i mean odds are someone 00:06:49.919 --> 00:06:57.280 else is going to be gunning for a piece of your customer's wallet especially if 00:06:53.680 --> 00:07:00.400 the wallet is 10 20 30 000 big 00:06:57.280 --> 00:07:03.520 except that in the workstation pc space 00:07:00.400 --> 00:07:05.599 that competition has all but dried up 00:07:03.520 --> 00:07:12.960 apple couldn't even be asked to update the mac pro from its 2019 era xeon w's 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:17.840 and if they had Intel's closest competitor to threadripper pro which 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:21.280 came out about a year ago tops out at a 00:07:17.840 --> 00:07:24.479 mere 38 course and costs a whopping 4 00:07:21.280 --> 00:07:26.400 500 us dollars so this utter lack of 00:07:24.479 --> 00:07:31.039 other viable options gives AMD effectively carte blanche to charge 00:07:28.960 --> 00:07:37.440 whatever they want but i can hear you thinking hold on a second Linus no it 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:39.919 doesn't i could just buy 16 core ryzen 00:07:37.440 --> 00:07:45.360 or core i9 chips for a fraction of the cost i mean you just showed that they're 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:46.880 basically as fast for most things anyway 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:51.680 yeah that's true enough when the applications that you're focused on are 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:56.160 multimedia or gaming but look at the areas where the threadripper pro is a 00:07:54.000 --> 00:08:01.120 lot faster it's professional applications rendering simulations 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:06.960 financial calculations and in a professional setting time is money it 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:11.120 really is think about it when the time of the engineer who's sitting at that 00:08:08.960 --> 00:08:16.400 station is worth let's say 50 an hour for the sake of argument if 00:08:13.599 --> 00:08:22.800 they spend just 10 minutes a day doing this sitting idle waiting for a slow or 00:08:19.280 --> 00:08:24.720 an unstable machine it easily costs more 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:29.120 than if you had just shelled out for an absolute beast spec top of the line 00:08:27.039 --> 00:08:32.880 system in the first place and that doesn't even factor in the quality of 00:08:30.960 --> 00:08:37.839 life improvements for your staff from having good computers and the 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:41.599 opportunity cost of delaying whatever project that they've been working on you 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:45.519 got to spend money to make money right maybe if we'd given kyle a threadripper 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:49.640 pro we'd have our screwdriver launched by now sign up for a notification by the 00:08:47.440 --> 00:08:55.120 way the launch is coming very soon lttstore.com if anything i would say the 00:08:52.320 --> 00:09:00.959 price is kind of too low hold on let me explain AMD's announced 00:08:57.839 --> 00:09:05.600 retail price for their top spec 64 core 00:09:00.959 --> 00:09:09.360 zen 3 server CPU the epic 7773 x is 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:11.680 about 8 800 us dollars now that CPU does 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:17.680 have some benefits over this one it uses 3dv cache to pack in a whopping 768 00:09:14.880 --> 00:09:23.120 megabytes of cash and it's compatible with dual socket motherboards allowing 00:09:19.680 --> 00:09:25.200 data centers to pack a whopping 128 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:28.480 cores in a single system but 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:35.519 individually in spite of all of that cash its performance is actually lower 00:09:31.920 --> 00:09:38.240 than the threadripper pro 5995wx 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:44.080 that means that if AMD dropped the price of these workstation chips too much they 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:48.480 would risk competing with their own epic lineup which they super do not want to 00:09:46.800 --> 00:09:53.040 do according to their latest earnings call epic has been largely responsible 00:09:50.640 --> 00:09:59.279 for the 83 percent growth that they've seen in workstation and server sales in 00:09:55.360 --> 00:10:02.399 q2 2022. this is exactly what happens 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:04.880 when a company has no competition 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:09.519 there's no incentive to compete if the only one you're competing with is 00:10:06.959 --> 00:10:15.120 yourself which also appears to be the reason that enthusiast threadripper like 00:10:11.920 --> 00:10:17.120 the non-pro one got absolutely scrapped 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:22.160 this generation remember when AMD justified the socket change from 00:10:18.800 --> 00:10:24.000 threadripper 2000 to redripper 3000 by 00:10:22.160 --> 00:10:27.200 saying well we really just need the updated design and more power for the 00:10:25.839 --> 00:10:33.600 extra cores fair enough we said and they promised to make it up to us by 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:37.920 ensuring that trx40 wouldn't be a dead platform with zero upgrade path well i'm 00:10:35.760 --> 00:10:42.160 still waiting AMD i know it's a champagne problem but it's very obvious 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:45.760 that this was a business decision rather than an engineering decision because the 00:10:44.079 --> 00:10:50.640 chips freaking exist here's some guy in taiwan benchmarking 00:10:47.920 --> 00:10:54.800 the 5990 non-wx presumably it has some drawbacks like 00:10:52.640 --> 00:10:58.880 fewer PCIe lanes a lower system memory limit and no 00:10:56.640 --> 00:11:01.920 official support for ecc but it's clearly functioning well enough to 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:06.399 overclock the snot out of it and break world records rent aside by the way if 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:11.200 you must overclock high spec chips thankfully AMD offers that on the 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:15.000 workstation threadripper pro lineup or 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:18.000 do they AMD's website says that the 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:20.000 5995wx is not unlocked for overclocking 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:23.760 but then in a june blog post they state that it will support CPU and memory 00:11:21.920 --> 00:11:27.200 overclocking but the boards that are currently on the market don't allow for 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:32.800 it but then dr ian cuttress received an asrock board that allowed him to crank 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:34.640 the CPU to a TDP of 400 watts so it 00:11:32.800 --> 00:11:38.640 seems like overclocking is on the table which means we might see some pretty 00:11:36.880 --> 00:11:42.800 wild benchmark results out of this chip in the future especially if it means we 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:47.920 can overcome the default boost behavior while AMD reports a 4.5 gigahertz 00:11:45.839 --> 00:11:54.320 maximum boost they are only talking about a single core which on a 64 core 00:11:51.760 --> 00:12:00.160 chip is kind of like saying that your car goes 350 miles an hour but only if 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:03.760 like most of it is over here and the wheel is rolling down the road you know 00:12:01.680 --> 00:12:07.839 what i mean so in our benchmarks we noticed that once we started running a 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:12.959 load on more than just one core our boost was limited to just 4 gigahertz 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:19.200 and then quickly declined to 3.1 as we loaded up more cores i can only imagine 00:12:16.079 --> 00:12:22.079 how fast and how hot this thing will run 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:25.440 with every core pegged at 4.5 gigahertz for now though we'll have to sit and 00:12:23.839 --> 00:12:30.079 wait maybe watch some exclusive behind-the-scenes content on Floatplane 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:34.320 to pass the time now i know that you high-end desktop nerds are chomping at 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:39.040 the bit for something anything to fill the void in this ever-shrinking product 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:43.680 segment in between workstation and consumer desktop and i'm with you 00:12:41.920 --> 00:12:47.920 usually i'd love to have something like this in my rig but it's just massive 00:12:45.839 --> 00:12:51.200 overkill and it costs way too much and frankly it's a little late to the party 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:55.200 i'm going to do something i don't do that often i'm going to say guys just 00:12:53.040 --> 00:12:59.600 wait if the rumors are to be believed the generation of cpus coming at the end 00:12:57.519 --> 00:13:04.639 of this year from both AMD and from Intel are going to bring some massive 00:13:01.760 --> 00:13:08.720 improvements and since we still don't know when this threadripper pro chip is 00:13:06.800 --> 00:13:13.279 gonna hit retail it might just be better to hang on and 00:13:10.800 --> 00:13:18.639 see what the future holds spoiler alert one of the things it holds is a segue to 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:20.480 our sponsor grammarly so much time can 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:24.480 be spent at work trying to answer emails or draft proposals and it can become 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:27.920 overwhelming but grammarly is here to help grammarly provides comprehensive 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:32.959 spelling and grammar suggestions that helps professionals save time simply 00:13:30.320 --> 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