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part of my new philosophy lately has been to bring more positivity to our

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coverage I mean certainly we have a responsibility to acknowledge and

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educate about problems but we also want to highlight the good that's going to be

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hard today when we watched Intel's presentation on their new core Ultra

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20000 desktop processors our first thought was boy do these ever look

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familiar and while we were impressed that AMD was able to achieve similar

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performance at significantly less wattage not many of you were Gamers

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don't want want 5% Improvement they want FPS and they want it now and well kind

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of kills me to have to be the one to tell you this but Arrow lake is more

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like arrow through the heart because you're not even going to get 5% at least

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not across the board the good news is that your power bill is going to go down

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but in many cases so will your performance so strap in for a very bumpy

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ride with me as I try to navigate what on Earth is going on with CPUs in 2024

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today AOL lake is full of changes some

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of which are pretty radical I mean for starters gone is smt or hyperthreading

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along with Intel's traditional monolithic die approach on the desktop

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instead we get a tile based architecture with the fos packaging that we first saw

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in meteor Lake and they're laying down clusters of skymont efficiency or ecor

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between our now single-threaded lion Cove performance or pees we also get

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four XE Graphics cores on the igpu tile that should be a lot stronger than

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Intel's previous attempts at integrated graphics and while it clearly isn't on

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the level of AMD's 3D vcash chips they have upped the level two cach per piece

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core by 50% from two Megs to 3 Megs wow

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there's also been some big changes to core turbo Behavior more on that now you

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thought I was going to say later didn't you we've got two chips with us today

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the core Ultra 5 245k that's a 6p core 8

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e core chip that boosts to 5.2 and 4.6 GHz respectively this is Intel's

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intended gamer sweet spot at least for now then we've got the core Ultra 9 285k

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that gets 8 p course and double the ecourse for a total of 24 cores this one

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should be the productivity and also just do anything monster it'll do 5.5 GHz on

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the P course and 4.6 on the eour at

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least it sort of will because the 285k

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has five yes five different boost

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frequencies depending on what you're doing it technically can actually turbo

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up to 5.7 GHz but that's only going to

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be a couple select cores in lightly threaded workloads all right thanks

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Intel as for the last CPU the one we don't have today it gets eight peores

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but only 12 ecores and a slightly slower clock speed so far so interesting but

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how's it going to play out for the folks shopping today we wanted to compare

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Intel's own last gen AMD's ryzen 9000

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and for the folks gaming on the top chips from the last couple of generations we included AMD's most

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popular x3d chips a couple of important points though we decided to roll the

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latest Windows 11 24 H2 and our 96 and

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9700x chips are tuned to the new 105

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watt TDP that AMD unlocked last month and finally we didn't bother with the

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5800 X 3D for productivity that's a gaming chip so with that in mind let's

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talk gaming performance all of our tests were run at 1080p low to all but

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eliminate GPU bottlenecks and put as much pressure on these CPUs as possible

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in City skylines 2 not only do we see a decent improvement over 14th gen in both

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averages and 1% lows but the 285k is

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beating everything in 1% low close the only problem is it's crushing our 245k

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as well it turns out in heavily multi-threaded games this current

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generation gaming chip is looking decidedly last gen it's not all bad news

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we found some generational uplift in Total War Warhammer 3 it's not much and

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also the 285k gets kind of stomped on by the 9700x in both averages and 1% lows

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with the 245k trailing right behind and

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that's it that's the positive news for gaming as

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we always say look to multiple sources to paint the most complete picture but

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for the rest of our suite the results are very disappointing shadow of the

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Tomb Raider has the 245k in last place

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clearly losing to its predecessor the 14600 K with the 285k not doing a whole

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lot better our x3d chips crush it in

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averages and even the vilified 9,000 Series chips from AMD come out ahead but

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AMD is far from Intel's only enemy here even Intel's own 14700 K is decently

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ahead of our new core Ultra 9 in average FPS fortunately that's not the case in

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rocket league but the 285k is still

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losing to its predecessor it seems that this game doesn't care much about 3D

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vcash but loves lots of cores and lots

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of threads and is the only game we tested that placed the 950x on top and

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it's bad news again for the 245k which found itself at the bottom of the list

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coming up short to the old Core 5 again

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both in averages and 1% lows yikes and

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in Red Dead Redemption we see another case where not only is AMD beating Intel

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into the ground but 14th gen is Right alongside getting in some kicks where it

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can and f123 doesn't look a whole lot better this is a massacre ladies and

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gentlemen I mean sure at least the 245k beat last gen in 1% lows but that's it

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below moving on to Counter Strike 2 both new chips are solidly in the bottom

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three with the 285k getting stomped yet again at least we see an improvement

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with the 245k and 1% lows cyberpunk sees

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both doing okay for averages but their abysmal 1% lows leave them buried at the

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bottom of the chart not only being bested by their own previous generation

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but also a 2-year-old AMD chip running in an 8-year-old socket truly this is a

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sad day for gaming and therefore the world or is it we asked Intel to tell us

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their top two and bottom two games that showcased their new power efficiency

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gains and we tested them ourselves with the 285k and while it's clear you're going

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to see some huge swings in performance depending on what you play with these

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new Chips it is equally clear that you're going to see a reduction in power

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consumption across the board something that Intel unlike AMD really needed to

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get under control with this generation we'll touch a bit more on Power and

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thermals later but you can see here that yes in Final Fantasy 14 Dawn tril we're

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losing 20% of our performance but we're also dropping 40% of our power

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consumption and Hitman that was a similar story with a 45% decrease in

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power for only a 133% loss in FPS and

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those are the worst two what about the best in 6 we've got a 35% power

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reduction while gaining almost 9% performance on the turn timer and in

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f123 nearly 40% less power with 12% more

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average FPS don't get me wrong Guys these are truly small slivers of silver

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on some very large cumulon nimbus clouds

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but they are there this justtin Intel

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has informed us that despite claims of APO or application optimization being

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enabled by default on AOL Lake it was in fact off on the motherboard they sent us

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for our review we've rerun the tests and discovered a small frame rate increase

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in CS2 essentially no change whatsoever in Shadow of the Tomb Raider and a

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decrease of about 10% in Red Dead Redemption 2's 1% lows the rest of our

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games only saw a 1 to 2% change which could be attributed to run variants some

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of our productivity scores even went down slightly with the feature enabled

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for the record APO should be enabled by default on all boards either in time for

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launch or shortly thereafter I can't believe I'm still doing this character

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it also appears that Windows 1124 H2 can

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have lower performance in games compared to other Windows versions this is the

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version our testing used but since 24 H2

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is publicly available you may even be using it right now we're standing by our

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results if you want to learn more about the wide variety of performance you can

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expect depending on which versions of Windows you're running check out

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Hardware unbox coverage as they tested the 285k on multiple Windows versions

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and power modes showing some pretty big changes in FPS your mileage may vary

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we're still not impressed with aake when it comes to gaming back to you

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lonus I don't expect almost any gamer to look at this and think I am very

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compelled to buy this product but what I can hope is that like we saw with AMD

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Zen one that maybe this is the start of a long journey to recovery for Intel

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because if they can figure out what's going on with the games where they're getting absolutely dumpstered

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productivity looks pretty okay in blender there's a solid decrease in time

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taken to render for the 285k against the 14900 K and we get about a 10%

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Improvement between the core fives as well unfortunately for Intel the 950x is

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still on top but considering that the 245k Beats both the 9700x and 9600 X I'm

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seeing this as a bright spot for Intel a surprising one given the lack of hyp

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threading on this new generation compiling with gdau sees more

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improvements for a lake 2 with our 245k once again beating the AMD

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9700x it may only have six peores but

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those ecores are really starting to show their strength now that we see them do

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more heavy lifting in multi-threaded workloads Intel has really invested in

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making these new skymont eor beefy to the point where they're really more like

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underclocked Raptor Cove PE course in handbreak we see more improvements in

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av1 encoding the coral Ultra 9 sees a 22% uplift over last gen with about a

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15% uplift for the core Ultra 5 neither of them can crack the Behemoth that is

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the 32 thread 950x but it is nice to see

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that the 245k isn't completely useless trailing just behind the 9700x x264

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encoding is a similar story with smaller gains over previous gen on both chips

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but hey now our 245k is beating the 9700x by a hair and we see very similar

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results in Prime seeve with our 285k in second place place and the 245k

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admirably beating its 9600 X counterpart especially interesting in our results is

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cinebench the 285k finally lands on top

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of a chart in multicore and both a lake chips comfortably beat their 14th gen

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counterparts the lack of pee multi-threading and the extra ecore

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clusters really hurt the accor Ultra 5

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but at least in single core it puts on a respectable show trailing just behind

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the 14900 K just like in games though

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the story here heavily depends on the workload and we got just abysmal results

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in Puget bench's photoshop with both new Chips performing worse than last gen and

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straggling behind AMD by a wide margin in Premier Intel is better than AMD but

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this was already their fight to lose and unfortunately they managed it aerol Lake

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doesn't even manage to beat their last gen 14th Gen processor so pic Victory

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and seven zip is another disappointing loss in both compression and de

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compression wamp wamp can we maybe find some more silver how about AI I mean

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after all unlike AMD's most recent desktop offerings these new Intel chips

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have npus oo neural processing and at

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least when it comes to open voo we really see them shine with our 285k

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netting an 82% increase over the 14900 K

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CPU score in the same test and since our 245k has the same npu tile it gets

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nearly the same score there as well walloping the 14600 K here we start to

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see what all the fuss is about with Intel's new igpu as well those four XC

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cores are putting in work with more than double the performance of last gen

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unfortunately AMD CPUs don't support open Veno they use Windows ML and in

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that race they beat Intel's CPU scores

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however in most cases on Intel you won't be using Windows ml so depending on your

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use case these new npus might really matter to you because I don't know you

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can afford a brand new CP and motherboard but not a GPU I don't

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know we'll have to see how developers use these things what could actually be

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a factor for you is power while our 285k

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peaked at 250 watts to top the charts earlier it only averaged 218 which is a

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303 wat drop from the 14900 K to be

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clear Intel is still clearly juicing their chips harder than AMD but at least

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it's finally coming down and it looks even better when we compare our 245k to

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the 14600 k okay less power higher score

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you'll love to see it it's just too bad that AMD Twisted the knife on their most

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recent launch it's also just not that

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clear of an improvement we looked at Intel's best case for performance per

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wat in gaming earlier but in our usual process for power and thermal testing we

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use f123 and gen over gen it's more of a

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mixed bag here yeah they're using fewer Watts on both SKS but surprisingly

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they're running a few hotter so it looks like unless they're

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using significantly less power you can expect a pretty similar operating

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temperature but hey at least you can reuse your old cooler with the new LGA

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1851 socket oh yeah I only briefly mentioned this before if you want these

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new Chips you're going to need a new motherboard sick truly guys I don't

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remember the last launch that left me this disappointed I mean there is a ton

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of cool stuff here to get excited about like the potential prediction

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Improvement thanks to removing smt and the new knobs and dials for overclocking

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leaks have even popped up showing the 285k reaching over 350 Watts for an

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alleged 82% performance gain it's just too bad that the majority of you guys

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watching this video are probably never going to try your hand at overclocking

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Beyond enabling XMP on your RAM anyway

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speaking of RAM big changes there we're getting CU dim support and a ddr5 only

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memory controller Intel told us that these CPUs should see some decent game

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gains when cranking up the speed to 8,000 megat transfers per second or

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greater which sounds pretty cool except that ours completely refused to do it so

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we weren't able to verify their claims stay tuned though maybe now that both

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AMD and Intel have settled on ddr5 we'll have to test a wide range of memory

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speeds on both Platforms in the not too distant future maybe an update or two in

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the meantime will fix Intel's issues in time for that which leaves us with one

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last kick in the teeth when we started writing this review the ryzen 9 950x was

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scarce and prices were high but as of

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the weekend before the Embargo lift the 950x went on sale for as low as

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$599 that didn't last long and at the time of filming they're already back to

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the $700 range but it's a good way to get us started on the conversation about

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pricing today you can buy a core Ultra 9 285k for

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$589 you're also going to need a new motherboard that supports the new 1851

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socket and realistically probably some new ddr5 memory if you want to try to

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get faster speeds out of it the ultra 7 265k probably the chip that actually

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matters in this launch and unfortunately the one we have zero benchmarks for it

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costs almost 200 bucks less at 3.94 and

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the Ultra 5 245k is 309 considering that

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Arrow Lake isn't a drop in replacement it is really hard to get excited about

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this pricing when we look at the competition especially when we consider

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that the ryzen 7 9800 x3d is rumored to be released next month Intel's calling

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AOL Lake a reset on the desktop road map and I guess I'm just hoping that that's

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true and that this is a Zen one moment like that was a major change with some

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real improvements but it wasn't that competitive the real competitiveness

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came later with Zen 2 and especially Zen 3 so for Intel right now unless you're

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super keen on an npu on desktop or you're one of those people who still

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thinks that AMD is Kirkland brand Intel it's really hard for me to find a reason

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to buy these if you do want to pick one up we'll have it and all the CPUs that

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