we lost the battle Apple launched their new desktop computer before we could
complete our Hackintosh Mac Pro killer over here but the war is not over yet we
are nearing completion of our project and our goal for today is to get these
two beasts up and running side by side
so step one is to fill the hack Pro with water and Boot It Up one moment please
yes sir ebob no problem at
all oh no I don't know what that beep is
but we're green here okay we've got a small
problem
Oh ultimately the noost situation was
solved by a BIOS update but then immediately following
that the dang thing wouldn't let Clover Boot and after trying all the obvious
Solutions we called in our secret
weapon thanks Anthony you're a hero now
our solution still isn't perfect our liquid SSD uses a feature called PCI
Express bifurcation to split a 16x slot
into effectively four 4X slots and and
apple does not allow you to boot to software raid so we're going to have to
sub that one out for one with a hardware RAID controller built in so we can get
those juicy multi NVMe speeds and so
this is it macOS Catalina running on
what is essentially Mac Pro 2019
Hardware again yes we're a little later than Apple but in our defense we had a
few months and they had years so come on
so check this out 3.1 GHz 28 core Zeon W
384 gigs of RAM AMD radon 7 16 gig
Graphics times 2 everything is actually
being picked up exactly as we'd expected
here's our storage so you can see here we've actually got four of these little
m.2 drives on a single card but three of
them are running in a 2.4 TB raid zero and then only one of them is set up as
our boot Drive you can see we've got uh a map of our
PCI slots that are used of course it's not working properly because our Mac Pro
contains different PCIe
slots also have noticed that our networking is working so we've got a 10
GB Ethernet connection two extra 1 gigs and we've got both Wi-Fi and Bluetooth
working thanks to some add-in cards with all of that said it is important to note
that we are not at feature parody with a first-party apple comp computer here I
mean obviously all the caveats with respect to software updates and all of
that that come with hackintoshing apply here also we've got no Thunderbolt 3
currently we are working on adding that in but we've got a few issues with our
motherboard not seeing our Thunderbolt add-in card the maintenance on our water
cooling Loop is a clear disadvantage
compared to a first party Mac Pro not to mention that serviceability of the
machine in general is going to be a disadvantage for us Apple has actually
done a truly magnificent job of making upgrades and maintenance a breeze on the
2019 Mac Pro that's actually something we really did not expect to have to
compete with so compared to that adding something like an expansion card or
memory is a total nightmare on our machine uh also our cooling system is a
little bit janky in some spots uh this fan right here is running over our 10
gig network card and our SSD it ain't particularly elegant but it actually
does a great job of cooling those components and the good news is that
like I said it's all working and we are expecting it especially under heavy load
to be quieter than Apple's Mac Pro which if you'll recall was one of our key
design goals so that's most of what's bad about our machine but let's talk
about some of the things that have actually been improved since last time
we spoke we've got a new radiator Mount so we actually modified the 3D model to
account for the bracket and the screws that are up at the front here that hold
the chassis together so now the rad with the fan sits right up against the front
pretty much uh giving us the most possible space inside our system we've
also got a new Reservoir Mount can you hit me up with that old one by the way so you can see it's made of nice thick
aluminum now there's basically no give it whatsoever so compared to our
original one um that's a big improvement
too our new Power Supply Mount now it's not actually in here but can I have that
the original one was kind of a proof of concept for whether we could fit the
power supply in there make the modular cables like kind of held in place and
then detachable so we could pull the whole unit off of it well this is the
over engineered final one so I can show you guys how that works actually if
you'd like I've actually kind of taken his
word for this up till now totally TurnKey solution everyone's
going to be building their own hack Pros just like this one in no time and then
the idea is that we're going to rip the locking connectors off of them so that
installing the power supply is as simple as taking the whole unit and going plonk
on top of the modular connectors now you'd never ship a system like that or
anything like that but I mean it should hold in place well enough if you just
putting it on your desk next to you another Improvement that's pretty small
but makes a big difference to the usability is a new vrm block here so our
original one only had a single Inlet and a single outlet and what that meant was
that there wasn't enough room for us to put full thickness fans on our rear
radiator and our tubing runs crossed our
dim so they were really difficult to get at even with the power supply pulled out
so now it actually goes in here out here
back in here and back out here and the cooling performance is spectacular so it
both cleans up the loop and makes a little bit easier to upgrade the RAM ah
yes this is another big one I don't think we've shown this yet the original
locking bar is fully functional so it
actually holds the panel in place and when you pull in it it lets the panel
off we're not going to try and put it on right now because our power cord still
runs through a hole in the middle of it but Minor Details the most timec
consuming Improvement of course though is the new back panel I've seen a lot of
hackintoshes done in this case and the vast majority of them use either
off-the-shelf or self- fabricated back panels that are basically just plain ATX
conversion this is something else we wanted it to
look like it came from Apple and fit perfectly or at least as perfectly as
our time constraints allowed and the first one had some issues Nicholas tried
hard but he ended up misjudging the curve at the top here and we ended up
with a bit of an overshoot this one took
quite a bit longer but as you guys can see once we apply a little bit of Bondo
a touch of paint and you know stand back
maybe what do you think 4T this should look pretty darn convincing last little
detail we had a lot of people asking us no unfortunately there is no CD drive
it's just a blank plate here it's glued in um if like we probably could have
done it but we would have given up like a third of our cooling capacity here in
the front and it might have interfered with our graphics card we might have had to move it or just have one graphics
card it just didn't seem worth it besides what freaking year is it it's
not like the 2019 Mac Pro has an optical drive of course not now all that's left
is to make sure that all of this Hardware that's detected correctly is
actually running correctly let's hit
some geek bench here we go boys there it
is
22,300 so let's go ahead and uh have a
look at some comparison numbers here
there it is guys 22,300 in The multicore
Benchmark huh would you look at that
it's nice to have water cooling isn't it hit them boost clocks we haven't even
done strictly speaking any overclocking
yet goal number two seems to have been achieved now what we really want to do
is a sidebyside drag race between these two but unfortunately we ordered a base
process processor machine with the intention of upgrading it ourselves and
our 28 core processor isn't here yet so
make sure you're subscribed for the upgrade video and the final one in this
series where we're going to run them side by side and also show off the
finished hack Pro with its paint job and all of that and here's the thing guys
this won't be cheap when we're done but
we are expecting it to be over $110,000
less than one of these costs at retail no matter how much we spend on the paint
job so the value comparison is going to
be interesting to see for now though there is a reason we've set them up side
by side because there are some things that we can comment on the biggest one
is going to be thermals and Acoustics because if anything running our 28 core
against Apple's what do we have in there an8 core something stupid like that yeah
against Apple's eight core is going to be their advantage not ours oh yeah I
guess I never even showed you guys the front IO is kind of roughed in now you
can see it still needs some Bondo and it needs the actual USB ports that don't
have like bent housings on them and stuff and it needs the power button put
back in but uh yeah that's that's going to be in by the time it goes in for
painting anyway the biggest comparison that we want to do today is thermals and
Acoustics and that one we're comfortable putting our mismatched
machines up against each other in because if anything us having a 28 core
with two gpus and apple being equipped with just an8 core processor and two
gpus so we've got a single card with two gpus well that should be our
disadvantage so if we can get even close to The Thermals and Acoustics of the Mac
Pro 2019 we're going to consider that a pretty significant win well that's not
really as good as I was hoping uh we're running folding at home by the way the
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getting full power out of these CPUs so our eight core is running at about 13 33
watts and our 28 core is running at 275
Watts but we're only beating the 8 cores
temperature by about a half a degree that's really less of a margin of
Victory than I had anticipated and
impressively the real Mac Pro is nearly silent even Under full CPU
load here mind you we are in a fairly chilly environment while our hack
pro has a dis SCT fan hum to it not an
undesirable noise remember these are not to a fans they sound pretty good even at
full bore but it's definitely
objectively louder small update for you guys while we were changing the
batteries in my mic pack we actually extended our lead we are now 7° lower
than the actual Mac Pro and I guess that makes sense cuz we've seen Apple tune
their fan Curves in this way before where if you have a short spiky load
it'll actually take quite some time for the fans to ramp up and it'll just let
the large heat sinks soak up some of the Heat and let the temperatures rise until
it's like oh shoot Yeah we actually need to cool this thing now so that's very
interesting now we're going to kick things up a notch and hit the gpus now
both of our systems have two Graphics processors but in very different
configurations so this is a pro Vega 2 Duo so it's a single card with two gpus
on it and then this is two single GPU
Radeon 7s unfortunately on macOS we couldn't
find a simple repeatable way to load up both gpus with the same application at
the same time so instead what we're going to do is fire up the unen valley
Benchmark on one of the graphics cores
and then run geekbench on the other one and it took a little bit of trial and
error to make sure that we were running these benchmarks on separate course but
it looks like we've got it so as far as unigen Valley goes it looks like our
Radeon 7 is a little bit behind maybe somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 to
20% when it comes to compute though it
is way behind so this is a combination of being architecturally different and
AMD unlocking more of the professional compute options in the driver but it is
like 60% as
performance I'm I'm eyeballing here I'm eyeballing it's really far off though
after running for about 10 minutes we've got some results to share with you guys
so our CPU temperatures even with both of our graphics cards running are
basically untouched over here so we're in the neighborhood of
56° and curiously they're basically untouched over here too so our Mac Pro
is running at about 66 de as for our
gpus unfortunately we were only able to
measure the temperatures on the real Mac Pro because our GPU die sensor is just
not supported on Mac on the random radon
7s that we installed so that kind of makes sense I guess so it's anywhere in
the neighborhood of 56 to about 70°
depending on which sensor you're going to believe and in again these sort of
Chilly temperatures the Mac Pro is still
shockingly quiet we're definitely going to have to do some tuning with our fan
curves on the hack Pro in order to get those same results the good news is that
we've definitely got the thermal head room since we've got about 10° more to
play with over here for those wondering the reason that we closed this up while
we were doing thermal testing was that we didn't want to draw fresh air that
wouldn't otherwise be available through our back radiator while we're doing
thermal testing and in the finished build there won't be a power cable
sticking through the side of it so that'll actually be sealed up mind you
we're going to have more cooling than we do now because the eagle item on you
might have noticed that we've only got two fans on that front triple radiator
uh we can put a third one on we just haven't gotten around to it yet this is
great progress overall but what remains to be done our original goal was to as
closely match the functionality of the real Mac Pro as possible and we're going
to be able to pull off some more things than what we've shown today but not all
iMessage and FaceTime are pretty standard Hackintosh fair if we can
manage to guess a serial number which Apple hasn't made more difficult yet
then we should be able to get those up and running our board recently got a
BIOS update that gives it compatibility with the new 3275 28 core processor that
the Mac Pro uses as well as support for load reduced memory dims so
theoretically once we get one of the new Chips we could try installing it in both
of them because even if it means less CPU performance cuz we won't have
overclocking support anymore we might be able to bump up our RAM capacity to
match the real Mac we intended to have the same expandability as the Mac Pro
but we ended up using more of our p C expansion slots for our basic
configuration that we wanted now we do still have some and it is possible for
us to throw in an afterburner card though we haven't verified that that'll
actually work but compared to the Mac Pro we're capped at two instead of four
gpus cuz that dual GPU monstrosity that Apple's using isn't available sold
separately and we've only got two slots that are still open right now here and
here the last thing is probably the biggest one without Thunderbolt 3
working we have no way of connecting our hack Pro to Apple's Pro display xdr now
there are other displays coming that claim to have comparable performance at
a similar or significantly lower price but Apple's is the only one that's here
now and there's no obvious way to solve this because Apple uses a custom
Hardware implementation to stream two DisplayPort signals over a single
Thunderbolt 3 wire it's actually pretty cool so in the conclusion of this series
which is finally coming the hack Pro will be feature complete with its new
paint job fancy LT logos on both sides
interior lighting a light overclock we
hope and all the little finishing bits
done we'll do our best to get airdrop iMessage handoff and FaceTime to work
but I can't guarantee all of them and we're going to have these two monsters
go head-to-head with full performance acoustic thermal and usability testing
we will either clude something to get the pro display xdr working or we'll try
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