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we lost the battle Apple launched their new desktop computer before we could

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complete our Hackintosh Mac Pro killer over here but the war is not over yet we

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are nearing completion of our project and our goal for today is to get these

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two beasts up and running side by side

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so step one is to fill the hack Pro with water and Boot It Up one moment please

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yes sir ebob no problem at

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all oh no I don't know what that beep is

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but we're green here okay we've got a small

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problem

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Oh ultimately the noost situation was

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solved by a BIOS update but then immediately following

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that the dang thing wouldn't let Clover Boot and after trying all the obvious

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Solutions we called in our secret

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weapon thanks Anthony you're a hero now

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our solution still isn't perfect our liquid SSD uses a feature called PCI

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Express bifurcation to split a 16x slot

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into effectively four 4X slots and and

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apple does not allow you to boot to software raid so we're going to have to

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sub that one out for one with a hardware RAID controller built in so we can get

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those juicy multi NVMe speeds and so

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this is it macOS Catalina running on

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what is essentially Mac Pro 2019

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Hardware again yes we're a little later than Apple but in our defense we had a

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few months and they had years so come on

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so check this out 3.1 GHz 28 core Zeon W

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384 gigs of RAM AMD radon 7 16 gig

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Graphics times 2 everything is actually

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being picked up exactly as we'd expected

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here's our storage so you can see here we've actually got four of these little

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m.2 drives on a single card but three of

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them are running in a 2.4 TB raid zero and then only one of them is set up as

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our boot Drive you can see we've got uh a map of our

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PCI slots that are used of course it's not working properly because our Mac Pro

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contains different PCIe

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slots also have noticed that our networking is working so we've got a 10

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GB Ethernet connection two extra 1 gigs and we've got both Wi-Fi and Bluetooth

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working thanks to some add-in cards with all of that said it is important to note

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that we are not at feature parody with a first-party apple comp computer here I

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mean obviously all the caveats with respect to software updates and all of

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that that come with hackintoshing apply here also we've got no Thunderbolt 3

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currently we are working on adding that in but we've got a few issues with our

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motherboard not seeing our Thunderbolt add-in card the maintenance on our water

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cooling Loop is a clear disadvantage

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compared to a first party Mac Pro not to mention that serviceability of the

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machine in general is going to be a disadvantage for us Apple has actually

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done a truly magnificent job of making upgrades and maintenance a breeze on the

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2019 Mac Pro that's actually something we really did not expect to have to

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compete with so compared to that adding something like an expansion card or

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memory is a total nightmare on our machine uh also our cooling system is a

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little bit janky in some spots uh this fan right here is running over our 10

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gig network card and our SSD it ain't particularly elegant but it actually

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does a great job of cooling those components and the good news is that

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like I said it's all working and we are expecting it especially under heavy load

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to be quieter than Apple's Mac Pro which if you'll recall was one of our key

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design goals so that's most of what's bad about our machine but let's talk

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about some of the things that have actually been improved since last time

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we spoke we've got a new radiator Mount so we actually modified the 3D model to

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account for the bracket and the screws that are up at the front here that hold

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the chassis together so now the rad with the fan sits right up against the front

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pretty much uh giving us the most possible space inside our system we've

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also got a new Reservoir Mount can you hit me up with that old one by the way so you can see it's made of nice thick

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aluminum now there's basically no give it whatsoever so compared to our

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original one um that's a big improvement

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too our new Power Supply Mount now it's not actually in here but can I have that

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the original one was kind of a proof of concept for whether we could fit the

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power supply in there make the modular cables like kind of held in place and

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then detachable so we could pull the whole unit off of it well this is the

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over engineered final one so I can show you guys how that works actually if

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you'd like I've actually kind of taken his

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word for this up till now totally TurnKey solution everyone's

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going to be building their own hack Pros just like this one in no time and then

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the idea is that we're going to rip the locking connectors off of them so that

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installing the power supply is as simple as taking the whole unit and going plonk

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on top of the modular connectors now you'd never ship a system like that or

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anything like that but I mean it should hold in place well enough if you just

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putting it on your desk next to you another Improvement that's pretty small

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but makes a big difference to the usability is a new vrm block here so our

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original one only had a single Inlet and a single outlet and what that meant was

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that there wasn't enough room for us to put full thickness fans on our rear

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radiator and our tubing runs crossed our

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dim so they were really difficult to get at even with the power supply pulled out

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so now it actually goes in here out here

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back in here and back out here and the cooling performance is spectacular so it

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both cleans up the loop and makes a little bit easier to upgrade the RAM ah

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yes this is another big one I don't think we've shown this yet the original

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locking bar is fully functional so it

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actually holds the panel in place and when you pull in it it lets the panel

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off we're not going to try and put it on right now because our power cord still

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runs through a hole in the middle of it but Minor Details the most timec

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consuming Improvement of course though is the new back panel I've seen a lot of

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hackintoshes done in this case and the vast majority of them use either

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off-the-shelf or self- fabricated back panels that are basically just plain ATX

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conversion this is something else we wanted it to

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look like it came from Apple and fit perfectly or at least as perfectly as

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our time constraints allowed and the first one had some issues Nicholas tried

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hard but he ended up misjudging the curve at the top here and we ended up

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with a bit of an overshoot this one took

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quite a bit longer but as you guys can see once we apply a little bit of Bondo

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a touch of paint and you know stand back

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maybe what do you think 4T this should look pretty darn convincing last little

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detail we had a lot of people asking us no unfortunately there is no CD drive

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it's just a blank plate here it's glued in um if like we probably could have

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done it but we would have given up like a third of our cooling capacity here in

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the front and it might have interfered with our graphics card we might have had to move it or just have one graphics

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card it just didn't seem worth it besides what freaking year is it it's

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not like the 2019 Mac Pro has an optical drive of course not now all that's left

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is to make sure that all of this Hardware that's detected correctly is

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actually running correctly let's hit

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some geek bench here we go boys there it

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is

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22,300 so let's go ahead and uh have a

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look at some comparison numbers here

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there it is guys 22,300 in The multicore

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Benchmark huh would you look at that

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it's nice to have water cooling isn't it hit them boost clocks we haven't even

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done strictly speaking any overclocking

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yet goal number two seems to have been achieved now what we really want to do

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is a sidebyside drag race between these two but unfortunately we ordered a base

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process processor machine with the intention of upgrading it ourselves and

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our 28 core processor isn't here yet so

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make sure you're subscribed for the upgrade video and the final one in this

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series where we're going to run them side by side and also show off the

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finished hack Pro with its paint job and all of that and here's the thing guys

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this won't be cheap when we're done but

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we are expecting it to be over $110,000

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less than one of these costs at retail no matter how much we spend on the paint

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job so the value comparison is going to

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be interesting to see for now though there is a reason we've set them up side

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by side because there are some things that we can comment on the biggest one

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is going to be thermals and Acoustics because if anything running our 28 core

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against Apple's what do we have in there an8 core something stupid like that yeah

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against Apple's eight core is going to be their advantage not ours oh yeah I

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guess I never even showed you guys the front IO is kind of roughed in now you

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can see it still needs some Bondo and it needs the actual USB ports that don't

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have like bent housings on them and stuff and it needs the power button put

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back in but uh yeah that's that's going to be in by the time it goes in for

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painting anyway the biggest comparison that we want to do today is thermals and

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Acoustics and that one we're comfortable putting our mismatched

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machines up against each other in because if anything us having a 28 core

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with two gpus and apple being equipped with just an8 core processor and two

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gpus so we've got a single card with two gpus well that should be our

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disadvantage so if we can get even close to The Thermals and Acoustics of the Mac

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Pro 2019 we're going to consider that a pretty significant win well that's not

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really as good as I was hoping uh we're running folding at home by the way the

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lus tech tips Forum has an amazing folding team shout out to those guys and

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you can join at the link below and we're

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getting full power out of these CPUs so our eight core is running at about 13 33

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watts and our 28 core is running at 275

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Watts but we're only beating the 8 cores

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temperature by about a half a degree that's really less of a margin of

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Victory than I had anticipated and

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impressively the real Mac Pro is nearly silent even Under full CPU

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load here mind you we are in a fairly chilly environment while our hack

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pro has a dis SCT fan hum to it not an

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undesirable noise remember these are not to a fans they sound pretty good even at

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full bore but it's definitely

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objectively louder small update for you guys while we were changing the

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batteries in my mic pack we actually extended our lead we are now 7° lower

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than the actual Mac Pro and I guess that makes sense cuz we've seen Apple tune

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their fan Curves in this way before where if you have a short spiky load

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it'll actually take quite some time for the fans to ramp up and it'll just let

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the large heat sinks soak up some of the Heat and let the temperatures rise until

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it's like oh shoot Yeah we actually need to cool this thing now so that's very

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interesting now we're going to kick things up a notch and hit the gpus now

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both of our systems have two Graphics processors but in very different

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configurations so this is a pro Vega 2 Duo so it's a single card with two gpus

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on it and then this is two single GPU

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Radeon 7s unfortunately on macOS we couldn't

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find a simple repeatable way to load up both gpus with the same application at

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the same time so instead what we're going to do is fire up the unen valley

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Benchmark on one of the graphics cores

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and then run geekbench on the other one and it took a little bit of trial and

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error to make sure that we were running these benchmarks on separate course but

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it looks like we've got it so as far as unigen Valley goes it looks like our

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Radeon 7 is a little bit behind maybe somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 to

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20% when it comes to compute though it

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is way behind so this is a combination of being architecturally different and

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AMD unlocking more of the professional compute options in the driver but it is

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like 60% as

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performance I'm I'm eyeballing here I'm eyeballing it's really far off though

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after running for about 10 minutes we've got some results to share with you guys

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so our CPU temperatures even with both of our graphics cards running are

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basically untouched over here so we're in the neighborhood of

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56° and curiously they're basically untouched over here too so our Mac Pro

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is running at about 66 de as for our

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gpus unfortunately we were only able to

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measure the temperatures on the real Mac Pro because our GPU die sensor is just

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not supported on Mac on the random radon

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7s that we installed so that kind of makes sense I guess so it's anywhere in

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the neighborhood of 56 to about 70°

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depending on which sensor you're going to believe and in again these sort of

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Chilly temperatures the Mac Pro is still

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shockingly quiet we're definitely going to have to do some tuning with our fan

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curves on the hack Pro in order to get those same results the good news is that

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we've definitely got the thermal head room since we've got about 10° more to

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play with over here for those wondering the reason that we closed this up while

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we were doing thermal testing was that we didn't want to draw fresh air that

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wouldn't otherwise be available through our back radiator while we're doing

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thermal testing and in the finished build there won't be a power cable

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sticking through the side of it so that'll actually be sealed up mind you

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we're going to have more cooling than we do now because the eagle item on you

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might have noticed that we've only got two fans on that front triple radiator

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uh we can put a third one on we just haven't gotten around to it yet this is

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great progress overall but what remains to be done our original goal was to as

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closely match the functionality of the real Mac Pro as possible and we're going

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to be able to pull off some more things than what we've shown today but not all

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iMessage and FaceTime are pretty standard Hackintosh fair if we can

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manage to guess a serial number which Apple hasn't made more difficult yet

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then we should be able to get those up and running our board recently got a

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BIOS update that gives it compatibility with the new 3275 28 core processor that

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the Mac Pro uses as well as support for load reduced memory dims so

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theoretically once we get one of the new Chips we could try installing it in both

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of them because even if it means less CPU performance cuz we won't have

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overclocking support anymore we might be able to bump up our RAM capacity to

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match the real Mac we intended to have the same expandability as the Mac Pro

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but we ended up using more of our p C expansion slots for our basic

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configuration that we wanted now we do still have some and it is possible for

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us to throw in an afterburner card though we haven't verified that that'll

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actually work but compared to the Mac Pro we're capped at two instead of four

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gpus cuz that dual GPU monstrosity that Apple's using isn't available sold

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separately and we've only got two slots that are still open right now here and

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here the last thing is probably the biggest one without Thunderbolt 3

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working we have no way of connecting our hack Pro to Apple's Pro display xdr now

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there are other displays coming that claim to have comparable performance at

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a similar or significantly lower price but Apple's is the only one that's here

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now and there's no obvious way to solve this because Apple uses a custom

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Hardware implementation to stream two DisplayPort signals over a single

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Thunderbolt 3 wire it's actually pretty cool so in the conclusion of this series

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which is finally coming the hack Pro will be feature complete with its new

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paint job fancy LT logos on both sides

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interior lighting a light overclock we

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hope and all the little finishing bits

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done we'll do our best to get airdrop iMessage handoff and FaceTime to work

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but I can't guarantee all of them and we're going to have these two monsters

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go head-to-head with full performance acoustic thermal and usability testing

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we will either clude something to get the pro display xdr working or we'll try

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and find something that's as equivalent as possible so we can do a true APPL to

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Apple comparison here manscaped created

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I can taste it still don't look like much though does it to get that paint

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job and adjust the Gap apparently how

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are we going to adjust that Gap