WEBVTT 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:05.520 huge thanks to Gigabyte for sponsoring this video and sending us the first 00:00:03.760 --> 00:00:11.360 batch of laptops that we can use to actually test the all-new rtx 3000 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:17.840 series mobile graphics cards right here we've got an aorus 15g rocking an rtx 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:21.439 3080 with max q design and an aero 15 00:00:17.840 --> 00:00:23.760 with an rtx 3070 with max q design armed 00:00:21.439 --> 00:00:28.000 with these we can finally answer the question 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:31.039 after a string of not so great rumors is 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:32.239 rtx 3000 mobile any good 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:38.800 short answer yes long answer it is 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:43.640 way more complicated than that so strap in and let's get into it 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:58.079 the NVIDIA rtx 3080 mobile is the fastest gaming GPU that you can get in a 00:00:54.640 --> 00:01:00.399 laptop and there is an rtx 3080 mobile 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:06.400 in this laptop right here the Gigabyte ars 15g 00:01:02.480 --> 00:01:08.720 but the aorus 15g is not going to be the 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:13.840 fastest gaming laptop available today that is because of a branding concept 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:16.080 NVIDIA introduced back in 2017 with max 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:20.640 q design is a designation that was originally created to describe gaming 00:01:18.240 --> 00:01:26.720 laptop designs that offered great performance but without compromising on 00:01:23.360 --> 00:01:29.040 portability or on noise but 00:01:26.720 --> 00:01:32.880 in the real world there's no such thing as 00:01:29.759 --> 00:01:35.920 no compromises and truth be told thicker 00:01:32.880 --> 00:01:40.079 laptops with beefier cooling always have 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:41.840 performed better and they still do so we 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:47.520 started hearing manufacturers throwing around the term max p to describe mobile 00:01:44.880 --> 00:01:53.439 gpus that were geared toward maximum performance rather than maximum 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:56.079 quietness got it good because it just 00:01:53.439 --> 00:02:00.880 got a lot more complicated and we'll get into that but first i need to explain 00:01:58.399 --> 00:02:05.280 why this is happening designing a fast laptop is a monumental challenge because 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:11.360 of two things heat and power to illustrate this point i 00:02:07.600 --> 00:02:13.520 present exhibit a the aorus extreme rtx 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:18.319 3080 graphics card it is a whopping 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:24.800 191 percent thicker than the thickest part of this 3080 laptop and guess what 00:02:21.760 --> 00:02:27.680 guys more surface area equals more 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:31.120 cooling so unless the aorus 15g could have the prop of a tbm 500 pointed 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:36.160 directly at it all other things being equal it can not 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:39.519 be cooled as well as this desktop graphics card which means it cannot go 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:45.160 as fast power is also a huge problem in laptops 00:02:42.239 --> 00:02:48.879 this GPU alone consumes 320 watts 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:55.519 this laptop has a 230 watt power brick and that's to 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:59.040 handle the CPU display RAM storage and 00:02:55.519 --> 00:03:01.519 the GPU so unless you want this to light 00:02:59.040 --> 00:03:04.959 on fire there's no way that we can power this with this 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:09.440 Gigabyte cares about your house not burning down also the battery life would 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:15.360 be atrocious instead of the rated eight hours on these guys what i'm getting at 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:17.920 here is that our rtx 3080 with max q 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:24.560 design is slower than the desktop version to be precise in v-ray it's 25.7 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:28.720 slower but hold off on the pitchforks here guys 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:33.360 we're not actually mad that NVIDIA and Gigabyte couldn't break fundamental laws 00:03:30.799 --> 00:03:37.000 of physics and on the other side of this coin is the fact that our ars15g was 00:03:35.920 --> 00:03:43.200 also 65.8 percent faster than a mobile rtx 00:03:40.480 --> 00:03:47.440 2080 super the previous flagship so yeah 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:54.000 this is not this but it was never going to be and it's still one heck of a GPU 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:58.159 so then what exactly has NVIDIA done to 00:03:54.000 --> 00:04:01.680 put an rtx 3080 into a laptop well to 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:04.400 start with they kind of didn't 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:09.799 while our rtx 3080 with max q design does use the same ga102 die the desktop 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:16.000 version of the card gets 8704 cuda cores enabled while the mobile 00:04:12.799 --> 00:04:19.120 version has 6144 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:21.759 that's still more than a desktop 3070 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:26.400 but not by a whole lot this has the potential to be very confusing for 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:32.560 consumers who shop only by the numbers but it's also not entirely unprecedented 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:37.600 up until pascal which was the gtx 1000 series laptop and desktop gpus were not 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:42.560 identically equipped for example the gtx 980m had 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:48.160 significantly fewer cuda cores than the gtx 980 and before that time it was 00:04:45.840 --> 00:04:54.639 typical for a completely different mid-range desktop GPU to be rebranded as 00:04:51.440 --> 00:04:57.680 a flagship mobile one and cuda cores 00:04:54.639 --> 00:05:01.360 aren't the only change our aorus 15 g's 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:04.320 GPU is a 90 watt variant giving it a 780 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:08.880 megahertz base clock and 12 45 megahertz boost that is so much slower than a 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:12.720 reference desktop board that i was concerned we'd be looking at an entirely 00:05:10.960 --> 00:05:17.440 different class of performance in reality though the discrepancy isn't 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:23.520 nearly as bad as i feared in games the rtx 3080 in the aorus here was clocked 00:05:19.840 --> 00:05:25.440 between 1400 and 1500 megahertz likely 00:05:23.520 --> 00:05:30.560 because in games the CPU was only drawing about 20 watts thanks to a 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:35.520 feature called dynamic boost 2.0 now in the laptops of yesteryear the CPU and 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:41.840 GPU were each given a certain power budget for instance in the ars15g the 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:44.400 CPU might get 45 watts and the GPU might 00:05:41.840 --> 00:05:49.120 get 90. the thing is there are very few use cases particularly on mobile where 00:05:46.880 --> 00:05:54.320 both the CPU and GPU are going to be going full tilt at the same time so it 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:58.800 makes sense to be able to dynamically boost the power of one or the other as 00:05:56.800 --> 00:06:03.440 needed let's say you fire up csgo and you want over 300 FPS for your high 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:08.560 refresh rate panel your GPU is going to handle that easily cs go graphics are 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:13.360 hardly cutting edge but your CPU is going to struggle so it makes sense to 00:06:10.880 --> 00:06:18.400 take some of that 90 watts from the GPU and give them over to the CPU allowing 00:06:15.440 --> 00:06:23.840 the Intel core i7 10850h to get closer to its max turbo of 5.1 gigahertz that's 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:28.639 dynamic boost 2.0 and it works the other way too if you load up cyberpunk with 00:06:25.919 --> 00:06:33.120 ray tracing the CPU will sacrifice most of its power budget consuming like 15 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:37.759 watts or so and running at or below three gigahertz while the GPU is going 00:06:35.520 --> 00:06:40.360 to get maximum juice just like you can get maximum juice from this 40 ounce 00:06:39.520 --> 00:06:44.960 bottle lttstore.com my concern in all of this 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:50.639 however is that there seems to be very little way for consumers to tell 00:06:47.280 --> 00:06:52.400 just how fast any individual rtx 3000 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:57.440 mobile chip will go our ars 15g and arrow 15 for that matter 00:06:55.520 --> 00:07:02.160 both managed very impressive thermal results likely helped along by NVIDIA's 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:06.720 claimed doubling of power efficiency the extra efficiency along with what seems 00:07:04.080 --> 00:07:13.120 like a pretty generous power budget is what allowed our finger quotes 1245 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:18.479 megahertz GPU to actually clock up to around 1500 megahertz in real games 00:07:16.400 --> 00:07:24.319 so like good job Gigabyte but i could definitely 00:07:21.919 --> 00:07:29.360 see someone else slapping this exact same GPU in a laptop that has way less 00:07:27.039 --> 00:07:34.240 cooling capacity only to have somebody buy it expecting results like we're 00:07:31.599 --> 00:07:39.440 showing here and then get extremely disappointed 00:07:35.520 --> 00:07:43.599 remember guys this 90 watt GPU is still 00:07:39.440 --> 00:07:46.560 in spec at just 780 megahertz on top of 00:07:43.599 --> 00:07:51.759 this there is such a wide range of tgps available for each 3000 series mobile 00:07:49.039 --> 00:07:57.680 card that i could easily see a situation where a well-cooled rtx 3070 could 00:07:55.280 --> 00:08:03.840 noticeably outperform a poorly cooled 3080. tldr then because of the current 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:09.039 marketing and branding strategy it is not enough to shop based on specs alone 00:08:07.039 --> 00:08:14.560 so you need to make sure that you find independent reviews of the exact 30 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:19.120 series laptop you want to buy before you pull the trigger on it we do have plans 00:08:16.960 --> 00:08:24.240 by the way to do a much deeper dive into 3000 series mobile performance as we get 00:08:21.840 --> 00:08:28.319 more laptops arriving in the office so make sure that you're subscribed like we 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:33.440 would have loved to do it today but the reality of it is we can't tell that 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:35.120 story until we have way more devices 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:39.919 as for the performance of these units though if you plan on playing at 1080p 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:44.320 without raytracing you probably don't need a 3080. shadow of the tomb raider 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:51.519 running at the highest settings without rtx has the 2080 super 3070 and 3080 all 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:56.320 performing basically the same as each other with our mobile core i7 holding 00:08:53.839 --> 00:09:01.760 back the 3080 significantly to be clear this is not entirely the 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:03.680 core i7 10870h's fault even on a desktop 00:09:01.760 --> 00:09:09.040 games are going to run up against a CPU bottleneck long before an rtx 3080 is 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:13.040 out of performance at 1080p it's just that this card is clearly designed with 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:17.440 higher resolutions in mind which isn't to say that the rs15g wastes 00:09:15.760 --> 00:09:22.800 its power with the built-in 1080p display it runs at 240 hertz so wherever 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:27.440 the CPU can keep up you'll need graphics grunts to keep up with that and it's got 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:33.440 HDMI 2.1 to make connecting to a high refresh rate 4k monitor a breeze and ah 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:38.160 that's more like the performance difference we expected see you later rtx 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:40.880 2080 super another option would be to just get a laptop with a higher 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:45.440 resolution display this is the first time that mobile gpus 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:50.720 have seriously been able to handle 4k gaming without needing to down sample 00:09:47.680 --> 00:09:53.120 and the aero 15's 4k OLED display is 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:56.800 very impressive you do give up the high refresh rate so i wouldn't use it for 00:09:54.720 --> 00:10:02.320 competitive games but you gain super deep blacks high contrast and HDR 400 00:10:00.160 --> 00:10:06.640 support the ar-15 is kind of the original creator laptop from Gigabyte 00:10:04.800 --> 00:10:11.120 which is basically to say that it's a gaming laptop without the spaceship 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:14.560 styling or well at least depending on what you do with 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:20.240 the RGB settings you can also configure the arrow 15 with up to a core i9 10980 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:22.720 hk if that 5.3 gigahertz turbo sounds 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:27.200 tempting so huge thanks to Gigabyte for getting us our first rtx 3000 series 00:10:24.880 --> 00:10:33.040 laptops and for sponsoring this video the rs15g that we have here comes in at 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:35.839 1999 us while the arrow 15 with the OLED 00:10:33.040 --> 00:10:40.399 screen is 21.99 both laptops feature Intel 10th gen cpus with 8 cores Intel 00:10:38.640 --> 00:10:45.440 wi-fi 6 for those times when you can't use the Ethernet jacks and Thunderbolt 3 00:10:43.040 --> 00:10:48.399 for loads of high-speed connectivity and we're just scratching the surface here 00:10:47.040 --> 00:10:52.320 guys and we're looking forward to learning more about rtx 3000 mobile as 00:10:50.959 --> 00:10:56.720 we go oh i guess that's the end of the video make sure you're subscribed oh and if 00:10:55.440 --> 00:11:02.240 you're looking for another video to watch maybe check out our look into rtx 00:10:58.959 --> 00:11:04.880 3090s running an sli i i would have 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:08.240 recommended watching like a desktop 3080 review but come on it's more fun to 00:11:07.040 --> 00:11:12.800 watch a video about something you shouldn't buy instead of something you 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:16.920 want but can't buy right 390 sli huh