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huge thanks to Gigabyte for sponsoring this video and sending us the first

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batch of laptops that we can use to actually test the all-new rtx 3000

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series mobile graphics cards right here we've got an aorus 15g rocking an rtx

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3080 with max q design and an aero 15

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with an rtx 3070 with max q design armed

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with these we can finally answer the question

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after a string of not so great rumors is

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rtx 3000 mobile any good

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short answer yes long answer it is

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way more complicated than that so strap in and let's get into it

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the NVIDIA rtx 3080 mobile is the fastest gaming GPU that you can get in a

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laptop and there is an rtx 3080 mobile

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in this laptop right here the Gigabyte ars 15g

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but the aorus 15g is not going to be the

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fastest gaming laptop available today that is because of a branding concept

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NVIDIA introduced back in 2017 with max

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q design is a designation that was originally created to describe gaming

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laptop designs that offered great performance but without compromising on

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portability or on noise but

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in the real world there's no such thing as

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no compromises and truth be told thicker

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laptops with beefier cooling always have

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performed better and they still do so we

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started hearing manufacturers throwing around the term max p to describe mobile

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gpus that were geared toward maximum performance rather than maximum

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quietness got it good because it just

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got a lot more complicated and we'll get into that but first i need to explain

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why this is happening designing a fast laptop is a monumental challenge because

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of two things heat and power to illustrate this point i

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present exhibit a the aorus extreme rtx

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3080 graphics card it is a whopping

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191 percent thicker than the thickest part of this 3080 laptop and guess what

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guys more surface area equals more

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cooling so unless the aorus 15g could have the prop of a tbm 500 pointed

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directly at it all other things being equal it can not

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be cooled as well as this desktop graphics card which means it cannot go

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as fast power is also a huge problem in laptops

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this GPU alone consumes 320 watts

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this laptop has a 230 watt power brick and that's to

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handle the CPU display RAM storage and

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the GPU so unless you want this to light

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on fire there's no way that we can power this with this

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Gigabyte cares about your house not burning down also the battery life would

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be atrocious instead of the rated eight hours on these guys what i'm getting at

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here is that our rtx 3080 with max q

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design is slower than the desktop version to be precise in v-ray it's 25.7

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slower but hold off on the pitchforks here guys

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we're not actually mad that NVIDIA and Gigabyte couldn't break fundamental laws

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of physics and on the other side of this coin is the fact that our ars15g was

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also 65.8 percent faster than a mobile rtx

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2080 super the previous flagship so yeah

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this is not this but it was never going to be and it's still one heck of a GPU

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so then what exactly has NVIDIA done to

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put an rtx 3080 into a laptop well to

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start with they kind of didn't

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while our rtx 3080 with max q design does use the same ga102 die the desktop

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version of the card gets 8704 cuda cores enabled while the mobile

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version has 6144

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that's still more than a desktop 3070

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but not by a whole lot this has the potential to be very confusing for

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consumers who shop only by the numbers but it's also not entirely unprecedented

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up until pascal which was the gtx 1000 series laptop and desktop gpus were not

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identically equipped for example the gtx 980m had

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significantly fewer cuda cores than the gtx 980 and before that time it was

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typical for a completely different mid-range desktop GPU to be rebranded as

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a flagship mobile one and cuda cores

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aren't the only change our aorus 15 g's

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GPU is a 90 watt variant giving it a 780

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megahertz base clock and 12 45 megahertz boost that is so much slower than a

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reference desktop board that i was concerned we'd be looking at an entirely

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different class of performance in reality though the discrepancy isn't

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nearly as bad as i feared in games the rtx 3080 in the aorus here was clocked

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between 1400 and 1500 megahertz likely

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because in games the CPU was only drawing about 20 watts thanks to a

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feature called dynamic boost 2.0 now in the laptops of yesteryear the CPU and

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GPU were each given a certain power budget for instance in the ars15g the

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CPU might get 45 watts and the GPU might

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get 90. the thing is there are very few use cases particularly on mobile where

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both the CPU and GPU are going to be going full tilt at the same time so it

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makes sense to be able to dynamically boost the power of one or the other as

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needed let's say you fire up csgo and you want over 300 FPS for your high

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refresh rate panel your GPU is going to handle that easily cs go graphics are

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hardly cutting edge but your CPU is going to struggle so it makes sense to

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take some of that 90 watts from the GPU and give them over to the CPU allowing

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the Intel core i7 10850h to get closer to its max turbo of 5.1 gigahertz that's

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dynamic boost 2.0 and it works the other way too if you load up cyberpunk with

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ray tracing the CPU will sacrifice most of its power budget consuming like 15

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watts or so and running at or below three gigahertz while the GPU is going

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to get maximum juice just like you can get maximum juice from this 40 ounce

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bottle lttstore.com my concern in all of this

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however is that there seems to be very little way for consumers to tell

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just how fast any individual rtx 3000

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mobile chip will go our ars 15g and arrow 15 for that matter

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both managed very impressive thermal results likely helped along by NVIDIA's

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claimed doubling of power efficiency the extra efficiency along with what seems

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like a pretty generous power budget is what allowed our finger quotes 1245

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megahertz GPU to actually clock up to around 1500 megahertz in real games

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so like good job Gigabyte but i could definitely

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see someone else slapping this exact same GPU in a laptop that has way less

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cooling capacity only to have somebody buy it expecting results like we're

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showing here and then get extremely disappointed

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remember guys this 90 watt GPU is still

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in spec at just 780 megahertz on top of

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this there is such a wide range of tgps available for each 3000 series mobile

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card that i could easily see a situation where a well-cooled rtx 3070 could

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noticeably outperform a poorly cooled 3080. tldr then because of the current

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marketing and branding strategy it is not enough to shop based on specs alone

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so you need to make sure that you find independent reviews of the exact 30

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series laptop you want to buy before you pull the trigger on it we do have plans

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by the way to do a much deeper dive into 3000 series mobile performance as we get

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more laptops arriving in the office so make sure that you're subscribed like we

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would have loved to do it today but the reality of it is we can't tell that

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story until we have way more devices

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as for the performance of these units though if you plan on playing at 1080p

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without raytracing you probably don't need a 3080. shadow of the tomb raider

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running at the highest settings without rtx has the 2080 super 3070 and 3080 all

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performing basically the same as each other with our mobile core i7 holding

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back the 3080 significantly to be clear this is not entirely the

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core i7 10870h's fault even on a desktop

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games are going to run up against a CPU bottleneck long before an rtx 3080 is

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out of performance at 1080p it's just that this card is clearly designed with

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higher resolutions in mind which isn't to say that the rs15g wastes

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its power with the built-in 1080p display it runs at 240 hertz so wherever

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the CPU can keep up you'll need graphics grunts to keep up with that and it's got

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HDMI 2.1 to make connecting to a high refresh rate 4k monitor a breeze and ah

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that's more like the performance difference we expected see you later rtx

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2080 super another option would be to just get a laptop with a higher

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resolution display this is the first time that mobile gpus

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have seriously been able to handle 4k gaming without needing to down sample

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and the aero 15's 4k OLED display is

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very impressive you do give up the high refresh rate so i wouldn't use it for

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competitive games but you gain super deep blacks high contrast and HDR 400

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support the ar-15 is kind of the original creator laptop from Gigabyte

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which is basically to say that it's a gaming laptop without the spaceship

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styling or well at least depending on what you do with

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the RGB settings you can also configure the arrow 15 with up to a core i9 10980

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hk if that 5.3 gigahertz turbo sounds

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tempting so huge thanks to Gigabyte for getting us our first rtx 3000 series

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laptops and for sponsoring this video the rs15g that we have here comes in at

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1999 us while the arrow 15 with the OLED

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screen is 21.99 both laptops feature Intel 10th gen cpus with 8 cores Intel

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wi-fi 6 for those times when you can't use the Ethernet jacks and Thunderbolt 3

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for loads of high-speed connectivity and we're just scratching the surface here

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guys and we're looking forward to learning more about rtx 3000 mobile as

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we go oh i guess that's the end of the video make sure you're subscribed oh and if

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you're looking for another video to watch maybe check out our look into rtx

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3090s running an sli i i would have

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recommended watching like a desktop 3080 review but come on it's more fun to

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watch a video about something you shouldn't buy instead of something you

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want but can't buy right 390 sli huh