{"video_id":"z9fk9d6pry4","title":"RTX 3080 Mobile is… Complicated","channel":"Linus Tech Tips","show":"Linus Tech Tips","published_at":"2021-05-05T14:53:29Z","duration_s":677,"segments":[{"start_s":0.08,"end_s":5.52,"text":"huge thanks to Gigabyte for sponsoring this video and sending us the first","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":3.76,"end_s":11.36,"text":"batch of laptops that we can use to actually test the all-new rtx 3000","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":8.8,"end_s":17.84,"text":"series mobile graphics cards right here we've got an aorus 15g rocking an rtx","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":14.24,"end_s":21.439,"text":"3080 with max q design and an aero 15","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":17.84,"end_s":23.76,"text":"with an rtx 3070 with max q design armed","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":21.439,"end_s":28.0,"text":"with these we can finally answer the 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huh","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0}],"full_text":"huge thanks to Gigabyte for sponsoring this video and sending us the first batch of laptops that we can use to actually test the all-new rtx 3000 series mobile graphics cards right here we've got an aorus 15g rocking an rtx 3080 with max q design and an aero 15 with an rtx 3070 with max q design armed with these we can finally answer the question after a string of not so great rumors is rtx 3000 mobile any good short answer yes long answer it is way more complicated than that so strap in and let's get into it the NVIDIA rtx 3080 mobile is the fastest gaming GPU that you can get in a laptop and there is an rtx 3080 mobile in this laptop right here the Gigabyte ars 15g but the aorus 15g is not going to be the fastest gaming laptop available today that is because of a branding concept NVIDIA introduced back in 2017 with max q design is a designation that was originally created to describe gaming laptop designs that offered great performance but without compromising on portability or on noise but in the real world there's no such thing as no compromises and truth be told thicker laptops with beefier cooling always have performed better and they still do so we started hearing manufacturers throwing around the term max p to describe mobile gpus that were geared toward maximum performance rather than maximum quietness got it good because it just got a lot more complicated and we'll get into that but first i need to explain why this is happening designing a fast laptop is a monumental challenge because of two things heat and power to illustrate this point i present exhibit a the aorus extreme rtx 3080 graphics card it is a whopping 191 percent thicker than the thickest part of this 3080 laptop and guess what guys more surface area equals more cooling so unless the aorus 15g could have the prop of a tbm 500 pointed directly at it all other things being equal it can not be cooled as well as this desktop graphics card which means it cannot go as fast power is also a huge problem in laptops this GPU alone consumes 320 watts this laptop has a 230 watt power brick and that's to handle the CPU display RAM storage and the GPU so unless you want this to light on fire there's no way that we can power this with this Gigabyte cares about your house not burning down also the battery life would be atrocious instead of the rated eight hours on these guys what i'm getting at here is that our rtx 3080 with max q design is slower than the desktop version to be precise in v-ray it's 25.7 slower but hold off on the pitchforks here guys we're not actually mad that NVIDIA and Gigabyte couldn't break fundamental laws of physics and on the other side of this coin is the fact that our ars15g was also 65.8 percent faster than a mobile rtx 2080 super the previous flagship so yeah this is not this but it was never going to be and it's still one heck of a GPU so then what exactly has NVIDIA done to put an rtx 3080 into a laptop well to start with they kind of didn't while our rtx 3080 with max q design does use the same ga102 die the desktop version of the card gets 8704 cuda cores enabled while the mobile version has 6144 that's still more than a desktop 3070 but not by a whole lot this has the potential to be very confusing for consumers who shop only by the numbers but it's also not entirely unprecedented up until pascal which was the gtx 1000 series laptop and desktop gpus were not identically equipped for example the gtx 980m had significantly fewer cuda cores than the gtx 980 and before that time it was typical for a completely different mid-range desktop GPU to be rebranded as a flagship mobile one and cuda cores aren't the only change our aorus 15 g's GPU is a 90 watt variant giving it a 780 megahertz base clock and 12 45 megahertz boost that is so much slower than a reference desktop board that i was concerned we'd be looking at an entirely different class of performance in reality though the discrepancy isn't nearly as bad as i feared in games the rtx 3080 in the aorus here was clocked between 1400 and 1500 megahertz likely because in games the CPU was only drawing about 20 watts thanks to a feature called dynamic boost 2.0 now in the laptops of yesteryear the CPU and GPU were each given a certain power budget for instance in the ars15g the CPU might get 45 watts and the GPU might get 90. the thing is there are very few use cases particularly on mobile where both the CPU and GPU are going to be going full tilt at the same time so it makes sense to be able to dynamically boost the power of one or the other as needed let's say you fire up csgo and you want over 300 FPS for your high refresh rate panel your GPU is going to handle that easily cs go graphics are hardly cutting edge but your CPU is going to struggle so it makes sense to take some of that 90 watts from the GPU and give them over to the CPU allowing the Intel core i7 10850h to get closer to its max turbo of 5.1 gigahertz that's dynamic boost 2.0 and it works the other way too if you load up cyberpunk with ray tracing the CPU will sacrifice most of its power budget consuming like 15 watts or so and running at or below three gigahertz while the GPU is going to get maximum juice just like you can get maximum juice from this 40 ounce bottle lttstore.com my concern in all of this however is that there seems to be very little way for consumers to tell just how fast any individual rtx 3000 mobile chip will go our ars 15g and arrow 15 for that matter both managed very impressive thermal results likely helped along by NVIDIA's claimed doubling of power efficiency the extra efficiency along with what seems like a pretty generous power budget is what allowed our finger quotes 1245 megahertz GPU to actually clock up to around 1500 megahertz in real games so like good job Gigabyte but i could definitely see someone else slapping this exact same GPU in a laptop that has way less cooling capacity only to have somebody buy it expecting results like we're showing here and then get extremely disappointed remember guys this 90 watt GPU is still in spec at just 780 megahertz on top of this there is such a wide range of tgps available for each 3000 series mobile card that i could easily see a situation where a well-cooled rtx 3070 could noticeably outperform a poorly cooled 3080. tldr then because of the current marketing and branding strategy it is not enough to shop based on specs alone so you need to make sure that you find independent reviews of the exact 30 series laptop you want to buy before you pull the trigger on it we do have plans by the way to do a much deeper dive into 3000 series mobile performance as we get more laptops arriving in the office so make sure that you're subscribed like we would have loved to do it today but the reality of it is we can't tell that story until we have way more devices as for the performance of these units though if you plan on playing at 1080p without raytracing you probably don't need a 3080. shadow of the tomb raider running at the highest settings without rtx has the 2080 super 3070 and 3080 all performing basically the same as each other with our mobile core i7 holding back the 3080 significantly to be clear this is not entirely the core i7 10870h's fault even on a desktop games are going to run up against a CPU bottleneck long before an rtx 3080 is out of performance at 1080p it's just that this card is clearly designed with higher resolutions in mind which isn't to say that the rs15g wastes its power with the built-in 1080p display it runs at 240 hertz so wherever the CPU can keep up you'll need graphics grunts to keep up with that and it's got HDMI 2.1 to make connecting to a high refresh rate 4k monitor a breeze and ah that's more like the performance difference we expected see you later rtx 2080 super another option would be to just get a laptop with a higher resolution display this is the first time that mobile gpus have seriously been able to handle 4k gaming without needing to down sample and the aero 15's 4k OLED display is very impressive you do give up the high refresh rate so i wouldn't use it for competitive games but you gain super deep blacks high contrast and HDR 400 support the ar-15 is kind of the original creator laptop from Gigabyte which is basically to say that it's a gaming laptop without the spaceship styling or well at least depending on what you do with the RGB settings you can also configure the arrow 15 with up to a core i9 10980 hk if that 5.3 gigahertz turbo sounds tempting so huge thanks to Gigabyte for getting us our first rtx 3000 series laptops and for sponsoring this video the rs15g that we have here comes in at 1999 us while the arrow 15 with the OLED screen is 21.99 both laptops feature Intel 10th gen cpus with 8 cores Intel wi-fi 6 for those times when you can't use the Ethernet jacks and Thunderbolt 3 for loads of high-speed connectivity and we're just scratching the surface here guys and we're looking forward to learning more about rtx 3000 mobile as we go oh i guess that's the end of the video make sure you're subscribed oh and if you're looking for another video to watch maybe check out our look into rtx 3090s running an sli i i would have recommended watching like a desktop 3080 review but come on it's more fun to watch a video about something you shouldn't buy instead of something you want but can't buy right 390 sli huh"}