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this is a vinyl record and this is a DVD

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but what if W laser discs or disco

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Vision as they were once called used to be a very sought-after video format and

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by some they still are from 1979 up

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until the Advent of the DVD in the late '90s laser dis was the best option for

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experiencing high-end video in the comfort of your own home or high school

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science classroom and it was the dream

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format of movie Fanatics everywhere and

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this copile love was welld deserved it had many of the qualities that would

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eventually become the key selling features of DVD and subsequently Blu-ray

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with twice the resolution of VHS the ability to pause on a still frame

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support for surround sound instant chapter skipping director's commentary

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and it could even do 1080i resolution in

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special cases near the end of its life and it was wasn't just the users

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filmmakers loved the way that laser dis made their films look and sound it was

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the first format to be capable of Home THX audio and it was the first format to

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receive the Criterion Collection the ultimate versions of films like Blade

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Runner and Raging Bull in fact in some famous cases it was the best format to

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ever receive that definitive cut of the film Star Wars speaking of Star Wars

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Lucas film even stored raw foot footage on these discs and used it for editing

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with a system that they called edit Droid so return to the Jedi was on laser

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dis before it was even in the theater but just how well does it hold up today

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was it replaced by DVD because of some kind of technological Improvement or was

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it just out of cost in convenience to find out we spent over 1,000 us to buy

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one of the coveted few players that are still available and copies of Terminator

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2 in a variety of formats to compare them and find out once and for all is

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biggest disc best disc and what else

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could laser dis do can it play the segue

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to our sponsor do we have a hardtime lifting

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Shake start flexing with Flexi spot at the link

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hello believe it or not the concept of Electron Beam data storage was invented

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way back in the late 50s or early 60s by

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David Paul Greg it then entered a dormant State due to some patent

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Shenanigans until ultimately MCA and Phillips worked together to bring the

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technology to Market reusing the form factor of vinyl records which MCA was

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producing by the millions thusly laser

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dis was born it soft launched in 1978

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with the release of Jaws in the Atlanta Georgia test market and then formally

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launched in 1979 to label laser disc

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with words like success or failure would

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be an oversimplification in either case

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it did fail to gain widespread adoption but it succeeded at pushing home Cinema

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forward and it succeeded at standing the test of time maintaining its admittedly

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Niche relevance for over 20 years that's

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right the last movies on this format were released in 2001 and Pioneer

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continued to manufacture players for it until

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2009 believe it or not I have never

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watched a film on laser dis my only experience with it was one of my high

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school teachers pulled out a player and played something for a little bit to

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kill some time that's it I've never seen

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a laser dis movie before but I have used quite a few for karaoke oh more on that

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later ooh I like this setup we've got a CRT for authenticity and then we've also

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got a retrotink 5x so that we can watch it on the bigger screen I love how much

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every time we pull out a CRT we're like oh I miss CRT it just looks better on

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there CRTs are so great as soon as you

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become that age where you no longer hear the wine can I just say at this point

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before we've even done the side by side this knocks the ever loving snot out of

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VHS for image quality that looks great if TVs never got as big as as they are

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today I don't see how realistically we would need higher resolution than this

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like it's retina it's really sharp let's show off another cool laser dis feature

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by skipping to the next chapter what it's pretty quick yeah it's

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not bad it's not instantaneous you can hear the the laser moving yeah but it's

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fast enough where comparing it to fast forwarding it it's night and day I'm

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going to be the one to say it his pecs look great to be clear by modern

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standards this is not high resolution we're talking 425 to 440 TV lines

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depending on the region but it was uncompressed and by comparison VHS was

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only 240 TV lines so this was closer to

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DVD grade image quality but more than 15

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years earlier it's possibly even better picture quality than DVD because color

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banding doesn't happen on laser dis we have a VHS player and a copy of the same

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film on VHS we're going to look at that later but first let's experience just a

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little bit more glorious disc based movie goodness ah will that move ever

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not be cool I don't I don't think it ever can be I'm going to sit on the

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floor because that's what we used to do back when CRT TVs were small as we' just

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sit closer to the TV I never did that because it was bad for your eyes that's

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what our mothers and fathers told us they meant well but baby boomers don't

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know everything it turns out unfortunately we don't have a great sound setup today just the speakers

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built into our TV but audio was was another major advantage of the platform

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laser disk supported multiple audio tracks and it was the first format to

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support digitally encoded surround sound at home they even went so far as to

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create an ad with Ray Charles the really wild part is that what we're

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experiencing right now is far from laser

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dis final form as a standard that persisted for over 20 years it actually

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changed a lot over its lifespan in 1986

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the BBC released their domesday project which was sort of a census of the UK and

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the data was only viewable on a BBC Master aiv System which included a

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Philips LV ROM drive that couldn't play movies but it could read dataon laser

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discs few other uses of LV ROM are publicly known in 1987 Pioneer released

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the first player that could also play CD video not to be confused with video CD

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which was an all digital format that came in 1993 CD video could hold 5

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minutes of video and 20 minutes of extra

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audio then in 1990 adding further

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confusion video single disc came along which was a laser disc the size of a CD

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these often contained single songs or short musical performances because they

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had room for only 5 minutes of video with the accompanying audio and no extra

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audio it was released only in Japan with the exception of one promotional disc in

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the US that was included with the earliest release of Terminator 2 then by

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the early 1990s every player on the market could also play audio CDs a

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format that went from zero to complete dominance within the lifespan of laser

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disk though once again laser disk was low-key way ahead of the curve and

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state-of-the-art players could play Dolby Digital surround sound starting

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with the 1992 release of Batman Returns

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several arcade systems like the Tito d3b released in 1991 using laser dis for

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highquality interactive video titles and in 199 before remember this is still 3

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years before DVD would bring 480p

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resolution to the mainstream laser dis became capable of HD playback with the

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release of high Vision in Japan now it was only 1,35 lines instead of 1080 and

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it was interlaced so 1035 I but who

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cares it was HD in

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1994 that is 6 years before the first US

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HD broadcast which was the Super Bowl in January of

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2000 why don't we have one of those they're R expensive I get it R expensive

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cuz there's not many of them in a way that's kind of a great summary of laser

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discs problems or at least part of them

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while the barrier to entry for a low-end laser dis machine was certainly higher

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than a low-end VCR it wasn't that out of

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line with mid-range VHS players and the discs themselves were actually cheaper

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in some cases yeah by the early 1990s they typically went for $25 to $30 MSRP

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which is significantly less than the $85 to $100 that rental tapes would when

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they hit the market around that same time but this was not necessarily the

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case for production with European laser

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dis Association president R Salter noting in

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1992 that duplicating tape is very very

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cheap whereas the pressing process of disc is 10 to $12 a totally different

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ballpark if his price is accurate that's a huge disadvantage compared to tape cuz

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what was a blank VHS or beta worth at that time it was $5 for 4 and 1 half or

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6 hours of recording time and that was retail what we could buy at the store

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with that said pricing is almost a sidebar discussion here the real culprit

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for laser disk status as a niche format probably lies in one key benefit that

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VHS enjoyed over laser dis and even DVD

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for most of its life the ability to record TV before the VCR TV had to be

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watched while it was airing the Ed Sullivan Show for example ran for more

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than a thousand episodes frequently to an audience of tens of millions but many

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of those episodes including the first one are considered lost media today

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because the station either lost or didn't save the original recordings and

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nobody had the ability to record at home

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by comparison commodity VH s players had

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built-in clocks not so you could see what time it was during movie night but

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so you could schedule the recording of your favorite shows so you could watch

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them back later usually skipping the commercials oh yeah and because the

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recorders were ubiquitous everyone knew somebody who was into bootlegging VHS so

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it was often super cheap to pick up movies and pay-per-view programs on tape

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the other culprit for laser dis lack of adoption might have to do with its

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Target demographic toward the end of its lifespan as VHS prices fell laser disc

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costs stayed High because it was treated by the studios as a niche format for

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filmmakers and enthusiasts and they differentiated it not just by the

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quality but through the production of special editions made with higher

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quality Masters extra deleted scenes or

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inserts or commentary tracks the 1989

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movie War of the Roses For example cost $69.98 at release for the special

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edition though it did include Denny commentary which I think we can all

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agree makes just about anything better still kills me that this is what won the

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format wore especially when you factor in why all right let's do the side by

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side oh wow this is terrible there is a

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lot of artifacts going across the screen it's a funny thing because I look at

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this and I go ew that is disgustingly

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analog but laser dis is also analog

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which we'll talk about a little bit later it's just way better better analog

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In fairness to VHS this is obviously a very old tape and it's also a very old

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player oh wow yeah the flame the F the

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fire is not even yellow contrary to what the marketing would have you believe

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fast forward is not that fast this is

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what maybe 3x speed might even be 2x

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this is slow enough where if I put a YouTube video on this speed I could

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still understand what was happening oh this is the part you wanted to see right

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I wanted to see this yeah oh sorry oh man it was a skill to be able to press

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the play button right at the moment where the momentum would stop right in

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time to hit the spot that you wanted to play from can you imagine being a film

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buff and going over to somebody else's house and not knowing how to use a VCR

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because all you've done is laser

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disc still cool wow I didn't think my impression of

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VHS could get worse and then I saw this

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and the laser disc advantages keep coming one of the reasons that we can't

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really get into image quality analysis is that as long as you have a supported

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player in dis laser disc does frame by frame playback but VHS does not it's

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also far less susceptible to degradation due to heat and humidity so it wouldn't

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really be fair given that these are probably still in perfect shape though

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it should be noted that they could warp in heat like any plastic disc based

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storage medium and they were very SU suceptible to Accidental damage from

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children please don't do that discs cleaned with isopropyl

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alcohol would often turn cloudy and even if you didn't mistreat your discs if you

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got unlucky there is the potential for disc rot to occur over time though this

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seems to be limited to discs that were pressed in certain factories notably

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Sony dadc the laser dis database has a

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running list of affected releases including notably Batman returns from

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1992 they also had some other issues you don't have to rewind Advantage laser

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disc but you do have to get up in the middle of your film to flip the disc

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that is a real bummer and making matters worse for movies longer than 2 hours you

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could be getting up not once but up to

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three times to both flip and then change

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discs now I see why this didn't take off

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or did it there was a place where laser disk found a surprise ly strong footing

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the Japan southeast Asia region and we

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can't say exactly why it became popular there but we can say that there is one

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feature that gets used a lot more there than in the west multiple audio tracks

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in markets with a lot of cross- language cinema this was a major benefit of laser

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dis but I can't be the whole story can it why not also Europe or South America

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well because it wasn't just movies that were being

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purchased on laser dis in Asia karaoke had spread rapidly across the continent

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in the 70s and karaoke laser discs could

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include vocals on a separate audio stream from the backing track which is

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obviously kind of a big deal it also

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supported inband closed captioning So lyrics could be toggled as they weren't

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burned into the analog video and billboard magazine noted in 1992 that

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40% of Japanese laser disc sales were

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actually karaoke titles with there being roughly the same number of karaoke discs

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available as there were movie releases so it was a perfect storm then of useful

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features coupled with that resilience against high heat high humidity

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environments you know what else is super resilient and challenging environments

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the new stubby and multicolored screwdrivers from LTT Store.com do we

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have a caraoke disc we don't have a karaoke disc today what we do have is a

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couple different movies with director's commentary and a Hong Kong release of Sailor Moon

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which includes kantes and Japanese audio oh it's going to have to be that this

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makes me very uncomfortable removing these from the sleeves

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um yeah that two twers job luckily laser

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dis has a super cool feature or not feature so much as a quirk in that

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because it's an analog recording like a record you can actually

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see the grooves that are etched into the

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disc it's not just pure shiny like C so

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clearly this is the side with the

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content oh that's hilarious that's why I

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could see something on it because it does have video it just has a video of

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there's no program material here this is

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very unintuitive program material is recorded on the other side of this laser

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disc is the reader on the top like a

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record is the hold on now I now I need to know is the is the these are on top

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or bottom it's got to be it's got to be on the bottom there's no way okay there

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is a way I mean there were dual-sided players so you didn't have to we don't

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have that though what I want to know is how quick and smooth it is to change the

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track CX seems to be an audio cleanup feature that is separate from the

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digital analog switch that I'm doing that on this particular disc also seems

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to switch languages so CX isn't doing anything in this case it's a simple

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toggle switch very convenient is the answer yeah one button and it's

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seamless like honestly this is better than on a Blu-ray it really is this is

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the best multilanguage experience I've

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seen pretty cool coming back to North America for a moment though if laser dis

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faced all of these headwinds what was it that made DVD and Blu-ray ultimately

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succeed where LD failed the adoption of higher resolution

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displays and the rise of Home Theater surely played a part but the real wave

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for home adoption of each of those formats came from an often forgotten

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line of Sony devices called PlayStations owners of ps2's and PS3s suddenly had

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players for DVD and Blu-ray respectively whether they had intended to or not so

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why didn't laser disc ever integrate gaming ah it did pioneer actually tried

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a similar approach though not until the early '90s and in fact our very player

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has a swappable expansion pack that turns the unit into a fully functional

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region-free Sega Genesis and on top of being able to play standard cartridges

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it could also Play Sega CD and the infrequently used Mega LD that's right

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there's laser dis Sega Genesis games and

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we've got one oh wow so it is basically

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just a Sega Genesis

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okay pack Port whoa no way laser active I mean

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future obviously cuz that's where we're living we are about to experience

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something really cool whoops okay just a second did I

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just go flying off the track continue what it that was it I

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just game over start again you can

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actually hear the disc spinning faster

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as I speed up and the playback of the full motion video background goes faster

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this is because despite the physical similarities to CDs and DVDs the actual

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video storage on a laser dis is analog

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and you can really see this if you look closely at it next to a vinyl record

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they've both got this kind of rings of Saturn effect that's because we're not

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looking at little microsized Peaks and valleys that represent ones and zer that

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get decoded to a file we are looking at variable sized Peaks and valleys that

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translate to an analog waveform which is

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wild crazy cool but a major disadvantage

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when it comes to storage density on constant angular velocity laser discs

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one revolution of the disc which happens at a fixed speed 1,00 RPM is one frame

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video that means that the storage density of the outer edges was atrocious

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this is one frame and also this is one frame and to reduce cross talk you can

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only fit about 54,000 of these frames

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per side that translates to about 30 minutes at 30 frames per second or I

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guess you could play it back for longer if like you saw the video is playing

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back slower and the disc is revolving

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slower though of course movies would have no need to vary the speed of the

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player or would they most films actually shipped using clv or

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constant linear velocity where the storage density would be the same across

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the entire surface which allows each disc to store an hour of video per side

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but there were some disadvantages to this approach it did make the player

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design more complex because now the rotational speed of the disc had to

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change depending on which part the laser

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was reading from the final way that movies were stored is constant angular

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acceleration which is kind of a merger of the other two where instead of

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running at a different speed for every

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single line like clv multiple lines were grouped into

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bands that would be read at 1 RPM each

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even though it came at the cost of a little bit of storage density at the

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outermost of each of these groupings if your brain hasn't exploded

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already adding more confusion to this is that some film shipped with mostly clv

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but Cav for some parts so that the

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climax or the extra features could be better enjoyed as far as I can tell that

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was mostly just marketing because there was no image quality difference and I

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think it was more to do with that if there's only 20 minutes left in the film

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once you've switched to the last disc whatever they might as well just use the

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less efficient storage method enough about dis media for the moment let's put

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a cartridge in this thing

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oh hello oh wow that is uh kind of

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ill-fitting all right let's see if we can upset that heartbreaking final come

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on Cliff ronning let's go oh it's ban he

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ah that was not a good move ber Jeff Corell though big Slap Shot H

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terrible oh goodness oh goodness oh goodness just

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about put it in my own net what the hell is the shoot button I can't figure out

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how to shoot the puck oh it's C wow we

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made it through an entire period I don't think I got a single shot on goal goalie

00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:17.360
get stuck on that side of the net no okay interesting seriously my own guy my own

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guy gets you know what forget it it doesn't matter frustration aside this

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could have been great for adoption of laser disc like what the PlayStation

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family did for DVD and Blu-ray but only

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if the price was right the issue is that those PlayStation

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consoles were $3500 at

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launch this mama jama nearly $1,000 and

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the Genesis pack was another $600 which

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is a little confusing to me I mean a Sega Genesis at launch was

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$170 a Sega CD was another 300 a

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decently capable laser disc player could be bought for $400 how did the price double in there

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there somewhere if this whole package had hit the market with more of a PS3

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price we might have seen much wider adoption of not only laser disc but

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perhaps the Genesis as well or not who knows but you know who knows about

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