WEBVTT 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:07.440 let's get this out of the way even the most ardent a d fan knows that Intel is 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:11.759 king when it comes to gaming and AMD always has been and always will be 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:16.320 nothing but a second choice for poor people 00:00:12.799 --> 00:00:18.880 and everyone including myself has only 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:23.119 themself to blame for getting wrapped up in the hype around the 3rd 00:00:20.880 --> 00:00:26.720 gen rise and launch and jumping on the bandwagon too early 00:00:25.279 --> 00:00:34.880 let's throw up some numbers here shall we so as you guys can see here a simple die 00:00:30.720 --> 00:00:34.880 shrink was never going to um 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:42.399 a simple die shrink was hey 00:00:39.680 --> 00:00:44.800 um AMD is tied with Intel yeah 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:50.079 yeah that's csgo that that that's known to favor Intel 00:00:48.160 --> 00:00:54.320 yeah well i mean are you sure you labeled this correctly 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:58.640 yeah Intel goes here andy goes here this is gaming yeah usually 00:00:56.879 --> 00:01:01.280 is it sure that's right 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:13.119 could it be that Intel 00:01:10.960 --> 00:01:15.840 is behind AMD for gaming 00:01:16.479 --> 00:01:20.799 we are going to need to go a little bit deeper here folks 00:01:20.880 --> 00:01:27.200 speaking of deeper if you ever want to take a deeper look at what's going on 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:31.119 with your network connection glasswire allows you to monitor your network 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:36.150 activity and block badly behaving apps use offer code Linus to get 25 off at 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:41.139 the link in the video description 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:51.600 let's do the technical stuff first at the core of this launch is zen 2 AMD's 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:56.399 aptly named next generation zen micro architecture that incorporates a new 00:01:53.600 --> 00:02:02.320 chiplet layout consisting of multiple 7 nanometer CPU dies and a dedicated 12 00:01:59.360 --> 00:02:06.560 nanometer io die all joined together by an infinity fabric interconnect that 00:02:04.320 --> 00:02:09.679 runs at double the bandwidth of the previous generation in order to reduce 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:14.400 latency AMD has also thrown in a more efficient 00:02:11.680 --> 00:02:18.800 branch predictor much faster avx support for super fast frequency switching a 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:24.560 feature that improves both performance and efficiency kind of like Intel's 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:26.480 speed shift and finally game cash 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:30.480 one of the dumbest bits of branding that we've seen since super 00:02:28.720 --> 00:02:35.440 graphics cards as it turns out game cash 00:02:33.200 --> 00:02:41.120 is just marketing speak for doubling the amount of level 3 cash on the CPU 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:46.080 the good news is that stupid name aside it does help feed ryzen's hunger for 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:52.000 extremely fast data access to the point where AMD claims that this optimization 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:58.560 alone is worth double the benefit of going from ddr4 2666 all the way to 3600 00:02:56.400 --> 00:03:04.879 on the previous generations improving matters even further 3rd gen 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:07.040 ryzen now natively supports ddr4 3200 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:14.080 and has been seen overclocking as high as 5100 megahertz to put that in 00:03:10.720 --> 00:03:17.040 perspective first gen ryzen was so picky 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:22.080 about memory that for a while you needed high-end samsung bdi modules in order to 00:03:19.920 --> 00:03:26.720 hit 3 200 megahertz by contrast 3rd gen ryzen's new off-die 00:03:24.720 --> 00:03:32.239 memory controller design has AMD claiming a sweet spot of ddr4 3733 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:37.120 that's frankly astounding so they managed all this by optimizing trace 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:41.519 routing to the CPU and decoupling the memory frequency from the infinity 00:03:38.959 --> 00:03:46.400 fabric clock that means that you're no longer overclocking the infinity fabric 00:03:43.920 --> 00:03:51.200 when you overclock your memory speaking of overclocking AMD's updated ryzen 00:03:49.040 --> 00:03:56.239 master utility provides full timing control while booted to the os 00:03:53.760 --> 00:04:00.560 and lets you import and export those settings including settings that are 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:05.120 generated by third-party ryzen memory overclocking calculators 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:09.439 so if you've got a similar setup to an exported profile from someone you know 00:04:07.519 --> 00:04:13.599 then you can actually use those numbers as a jumping off point which is really 00:04:11.519 --> 00:04:17.919 cool we're hoping to follow up with a full overclocking guide but in a 00:04:15.200 --> 00:04:20.880 nutshell it's pretty different but in a good way 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:26.560 there's even more that AMD's done here too but the tl dr is that this is far 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:29.919 more than just a die shrink and it all adds up to a pretty hefty performance 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:34.800 improvement and the crazy part is that's all before 00:04:32.400 --> 00:04:39.600 we even get to the new motherboards now many second generation and some 00:04:37.520 --> 00:04:44.639 first-gen ryzen boards should get support for 3rd gen chips but for the 00:04:42.479 --> 00:04:51.440 best experience AMD is of course recommending their new x570 chipset with 00:04:48.320 --> 00:04:53.440 x570 supported devices including the 00:04:51.440 --> 00:04:59.840 chipset itself and the link that it has to the CPU are gonna run at pci express 00:04:56.960 --> 00:05:04.800 gen 4 which is capable of double the bandwidth of the previous generation 00:05:02.479 --> 00:05:10.479 that means that high performance devices like multi-gigabit network cards usb 4 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:15.680 controllers NVMe storage and future graphics cards will be able to run their 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:17.600 best on x570 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:22.880 okay so that was a lot of new stuff to take in so i'm just going to sum it up 00:05:18.960 --> 00:05:24.960 here AMD now has much faster course and 00:05:22.880 --> 00:05:29.840 making matters worse for Intel their modular approach to chip design has 00:05:27.039 --> 00:05:38.160 enabled them to pack in more of them today right now AMD has a 12 core 00:05:34.080 --> 00:05:40.960 24 thread consumer CPU on store shelves 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:46.160 and it's priced to match the core i9 9900k with a measly eight cores and 16 00:05:44.960 --> 00:05:52.560 threads and what's even crazier is it's got 105 watt 00:05:50.080 --> 00:05:56.960 TDP which Intel happens to measure at their base clock and AMD measures at 00:05:54.960 --> 00:06:01.280 their boost of course it's one thing to be told all 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:04.720 of this and quite another to see it so here's the test setup that we're using 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:07.919 today we're going to be pitting the best that both teams have to offer against 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:12.800 each other with the most current software and firmware patches on as 00:06:10.479 --> 00:06:16.319 equal footing as possible it's worth mentioning up front that we did observe 00:06:14.400 --> 00:06:23.919 some interesting behavior when testing between ddr4 3200 and 3600 on both Intel 00:06:20.479 --> 00:06:25.600 and AMD here we settled on 3600 for this 00:06:23.919 --> 00:06:29.280 review but let us know if you'd like to see a follow-up on performance at 00:06:27.440 --> 00:06:32.960 different memory speeds now let's finally get back to those 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:40.400 gaming charts immediately we see that not everything 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:43.680 is ryzen friendly but AMD has closed the 00:06:40.400 --> 00:06:46.880 gap considerably over 2nd gen with even 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:49.120 our much less expensive ryzen 7 sample 00:06:46.880 --> 00:06:54.000 pulling off respectable numbers compared to Intel's flagship consumer core i9 00:06:51.840 --> 00:06:57.680 9900k but 00:06:55.039 --> 00:07:01.039 mere numbers do not tell the whole story here 00:06:58.479 --> 00:07:06.560 take battlefield 5 for example this looks like a clear win for Intel that is 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:10.960 until we fire up obs in the background and start streaming our gameplay 00:07:08.960 --> 00:07:16.080 now AMD's on top now you might think that that's simply because AMD has more 00:07:13.280 --> 00:07:18.720 cores and a more efficient interconnect but 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:24.639 look closely here we saw a lot of run to run variation in 00:07:21.599 --> 00:07:27.919 frame rate seemingly at random what this 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:30.000 suggests to us is that the CPU isn't 00:07:27.919 --> 00:07:33.759 always using the most efficient group of cores to run the game 00:07:31.840 --> 00:07:39.039 assigning the game to only one of the dies made things a lot more stable and 00:07:36.400 --> 00:07:43.520 faster so with some Windows scheduler or game optimization we think AMD could 00:07:41.280 --> 00:07:48.080 have significantly more performance on their hands speaking of more performance 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:52.800 productivity is ryzen's traditional stomping ground and stomping i think 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:58.560 would be a generous way to describe Intel's treatment under AMD's heels here 00:07:55.599 --> 00:08:03.840 at worst AMD roughly matches Intel in per thread performance while also having 00:08:01.280 --> 00:08:07.039 more cores at the same price and at best it's like watching that south park 00:08:05.280 --> 00:08:12.720 episode where the kids hockey team plays the detroit red wings check out this 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:16.560 mozilla firefox compile test that is the 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:19.039 ryzen 7 3700x running over a minute and 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:23.599 a half faster than Intel's flagship consumer core i9 9900k 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:27.919 now normally when we run through these graphs we feel like we need to provide 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:31.919 voice over commentary about which kinds of workloads lean more towards which 00:08:30.479 --> 00:08:34.719 product or if you're this kind of professional maybe you should consider 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:40.159 this but today we kind of are just killing time while the graphs 00:08:37.839 --> 00:08:44.560 roll because it's as simple as if you've got real work to do on your computer you 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:48.480 should buy a ryzen 3rd gen and the good news keeps rolling AMD's thermal 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:53.279 performance which can finally be measured without applying a temperature 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:57.440 offset calculation is pretty decent the new chips sit at cozy but manageable 00:08:55.519 --> 00:09:02.640 temperatures which is especially relevant because AMD's precision boost 00:08:59.760 --> 00:09:08.720 unlike Intel's turbo boost does not have a duration limit so much like a GPU 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:13.519 ryzen 3rd gen will keep boosting for as long as it can within its thermal and 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:19.120 power budgets in other words these things are designed to redline 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:23.760 under a prime95 small fft load that translates to a sustained frequency not 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:27.519 a whole lot higher than bass clock but that's okay because under a more 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:31.839 realistic scenario like a long blender render ryzen 3rd gen cpus manage to 00:09:30.160 --> 00:09:36.160 consistently stay a few hundred megahertz over bass when we try 00:09:34.160 --> 00:09:40.160 disabling the power limits and enabling the most aggressive options for 00:09:37.680 --> 00:09:43.839 precision boost overdrive things did heat up quickly and i suspect that 00:09:42.160 --> 00:09:47.920 voltage tweaking is going to be the main way to get better overclocks on these 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:52.880 higher end verizon chips with upgraded cooling of course required leading us 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:58.880 perfectly to one of the major downsides of the x570 platform the active cooling 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:03.120 usually in the form of a small fan required to control the heat output of 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:08.320 the motherboard chipset it's a real bummer for me to see this 00:10:05.680 --> 00:10:13.600 cooling trend come back because tiny proprietary cooling fans tend to be one 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:16.480 of the least reliable components in a pc 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:20.959 which means that if it fails the best case is that you're jury-rigging a 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:25.040 cooler to limp along and the worst case is that your motherboard throttles your 00:10:22.560 --> 00:10:29.839 performance or cooks itself before you realize that anything is wrong 00:10:27.920 --> 00:10:34.399 unfortunately this cooling is a necessary evil apparently due to the 00:10:31.920 --> 00:10:37.519 additional power required by pci express gen 4. 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:41.519 the good news is that at least it does make a difference for storage throughput 00:10:39.680 --> 00:10:45.600 right now we're looking at nearly two gigabytes per second worth and we could 00:10:43.839 --> 00:10:50.000 expect more in the future it's also worth noting here that even 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:54.320 while we were hitting our aorus SSD with four continuous looping file copies of 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:58.399 about a gig of photos each crystaldiskmark's sequential right 00:10:56.160 --> 00:11:03.120 numbers barely dipped below what you might consider reasonable for an 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:08.640 entry-level NVMe SSD without any additional load on it not too shabby 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:13.040 but pci express gen 4 seems to contribute to toasty operation on the 00:11:10.800 --> 00:11:17.120 other side of the link as well and our SSD got 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:20.480 really hot during benchmarking despite its massive heatsink 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:24.880 i think we're gonna have to start coming up with some really creative SSD cooling 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:29.839 solutions folks because while you want the controller to be cool the nand 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:34.000 itself actually if it gets too cool its reliability gets hurt 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:37.920 anyway that's a conversation for another time for now now that we've made our way 00:11:36.160 --> 00:11:42.640 through performance it's time to talk value and there's just no way to dance 00:11:39.920 --> 00:11:49.440 around this Intel must adjust their prices the ryzen 7 3700x mostly matches 00:11:45.920 --> 00:11:54.000 the core i9 9900k blow for blow but is 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:55.839 priced lower than a core i7 9700k which 00:11:54.000 --> 00:12:00.639 lacks hyper threading so it's a bad story now and we haven't even looked at 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:07.360 AMD's less expensive overclocking capable chips remember every ryzen is 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:09.600 unlocked or AMD's upcoming 16 core ryzen 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:14.639 3rd gen now strictly speaking if you're a gamer Intel can 00:12:11.839 --> 00:12:20.639 technically still claim to be on top and the core i7 9700k could still appeal to 00:12:18.160 --> 00:12:24.959 you if you're all about that raw frame rate but Intel's margin of victory is 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:30.079 very thin compared to what we're used to seeing and we're only expecting the gap 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:34.959 to shrink so if you do almost anything else on your computer it gets pretty 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:39.600 tough to justify so then guys 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:46.399 this is it take in the moment because for the first 00:12:41.760 --> 00:12:50.240 time in over a decade AMD is essentially 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:53.839 on top of the consumer CPU race and much 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:56.320 like in the athlon 64 days Intel has 00:12:53.839 --> 00:13:00.639 no meaningful response on their roadmap meaning that it is Intel who is going to 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:04.399 have to slash their prices in order to stay competitive 00:13:02.079 --> 00:13:09.920 and the craziest part of all of this is that with team blue still trying to ramp 00:13:06.800 --> 00:13:12.240 up 10 nanometer production AMD may end 00:13:09.920 --> 00:13:16.320 up having a response for that by the time it rolls out 00:13:14.240 --> 00:13:22.000 so the final word and i really can't stress enough how important this is 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:25.440 is whether you like AMD or hate AMD 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:28.240 they're back in a big way and you should 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:32.839 be absolutely freaking stoked because competition is always good for 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:38.079 the consumer speaking of good ifixit's 00:13:35.760 --> 00:13:42.720 essential electronics toolkit is compact and goes 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