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let's get this out of the way even the most ardent a d fan knows that intel is

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king when it comes to gaming and amd always has been and always will be

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nothing but a second choice for poor people

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and everyone including myself has only

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themself to blame for getting wrapped up in the hype around the 3rd

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gen rise and launch and jumping on the bandwagon too early

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let's throw up some numbers here shall we so as you guys can see here a simple die

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shrink was never going to um

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a simple die shrink was hey

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um amd is tied with intel yeah

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yeah that's csgo that that that's known to favor intel

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yeah well i mean are you sure you labeled this correctly

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yeah intel goes here andy goes here this is gaming yeah usually

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is it sure that's right

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could it be that intel

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is behind amd for gaming

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we are going to need to go a little bit deeper here folks

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speaking of deeper if you ever want to take a deeper look at what's going on

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with your network connection glasswire allows you to monitor your network

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activity and block badly behaving apps use offer code linus to get 25 off at

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the link in the video description

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let's do the technical stuff first at the core of this launch is zen 2 amd's

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aptly named next generation zen micro architecture that incorporates a new

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chiplet layout consisting of multiple 7 nanometer cpu dies and a dedicated 12

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nanometer io die all joined together by an infinity fabric interconnect that

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runs at double the bandwidth of the previous generation in order to reduce

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latency amd has also thrown in a more efficient

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branch predictor much faster avx support for super fast frequency switching a

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feature that improves both performance and efficiency kind of like intel's

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speed shift and finally game cash

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one of the dumbest bits of branding that we've seen since super

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graphics cards as it turns out game cash

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is just marketing speak for doubling the amount of level 3 cash on the cpu

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the good news is that stupid name aside it does help feed ryzen's hunger for

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extremely fast data access to the point where amd claims that this optimization

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alone is worth double the benefit of going from ddr4 2666 all the way to 3600

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on the previous generations improving matters even further 3rd gen

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ryzen now natively supports ddr4 3200

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and has been seen overclocking as high as 5100 megahertz to put that in

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perspective first gen ryzen was so picky

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about memory that for a while you needed high-end samsung bdi modules in order to

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hit 3 200 megahertz by contrast 3rd gen ryzen's new off-die

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memory controller design has amd claiming a sweet spot of ddr4 3733

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that's frankly astounding so they managed all this by optimizing trace

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routing to the cpu and decoupling the memory frequency from the infinity

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fabric clock that means that you're no longer overclocking the infinity fabric

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when you overclock your memory speaking of overclocking amd's updated ryzen

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master utility provides full timing control while booted to the os

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and lets you import and export those settings including settings that are

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generated by third-party ryzen memory overclocking calculators

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so if you've got a similar setup to an exported profile from someone you know

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then you can actually use those numbers as a jumping off point which is really

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cool we're hoping to follow up with a full overclocking guide but in a

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nutshell it's pretty different but in a good way

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there's even more that amd's done here too but the tl dr is that this is far

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more than just a die shrink and it all adds up to a pretty hefty performance

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improvement and the crazy part is that's all before

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we even get to the new motherboards now many second generation and some

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first-gen ryzen boards should get support for 3rd gen chips but for the

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best experience amd is of course recommending their new x570 chipset with

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x570 supported devices including the

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chipset itself and the link that it has to the cpu are gonna run at pci express

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gen 4 which is capable of double the bandwidth of the previous generation

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that means that high performance devices like multi-gigabit network cards usb 4

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controllers nvme storage and future graphics cards will be able to run their

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best on x570

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okay so that was a lot of new stuff to take in so i'm just going to sum it up

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here amd now has much faster course and

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making matters worse for intel their modular approach to chip design has

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enabled them to pack in more of them today right now amd has a 12 core

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24 thread consumer cpu on store shelves

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and it's priced to match the core i9 9900k with a measly eight cores and 16

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threads and what's even crazier is it's got 105 watt

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tdp which intel happens to measure at their base clock and amd measures at

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their boost of course it's one thing to be told all

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of this and quite another to see it so here's the test setup that we're using

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today we're going to be pitting the best that both teams have to offer against

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each other with the most current software and firmware patches on as

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equal footing as possible it's worth mentioning up front that we did observe

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some interesting behavior when testing between ddr4 3200 and 3600 on both intel

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and amd here we settled on 3600 for this

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review but let us know if you'd like to see a follow-up on performance at

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different memory speeds now let's finally get back to those

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gaming charts immediately we see that not everything

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is ryzen friendly but amd has closed the

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gap considerably over 2nd gen with even

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our much less expensive ryzen 7 sample

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pulling off respectable numbers compared to intel's flagship consumer core i9

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9900k but

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mere numbers do not tell the whole story here

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take battlefield 5 for example this looks like a clear win for intel that is

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until we fire up obs in the background and start streaming our gameplay

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now amd's on top now you might think that that's simply because amd has more

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cores and a more efficient interconnect but

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look closely here we saw a lot of run to run variation in

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frame rate seemingly at random what this

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suggests to us is that the cpu isn't

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always using the most efficient group of cores to run the game

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assigning the game to only one of the dies made things a lot more stable and

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faster so with some windows scheduler or game optimization we think amd could

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have significantly more performance on their hands speaking of more performance

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productivity is ryzen's traditional stomping ground and stomping i think

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would be a generous way to describe intel's treatment under amd's heels here

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at worst amd roughly matches intel in per thread performance while also having

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more cores at the same price and at best it's like watching that south park

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episode where the kids hockey team plays the detroit red wings check out this

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mozilla firefox compile test that is the

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ryzen 7 3700x running over a minute and

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a half faster than intel's flagship consumer core i9 9900k

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now normally when we run through these graphs we feel like we need to provide

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voice over commentary about which kinds of workloads lean more towards which

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product or if you're this kind of professional maybe you should consider

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this but today we kind of are just killing time while the graphs

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roll because it's as simple as if you've got real work to do on your computer you

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should buy a ryzen 3rd gen and the good news keeps rolling amd's thermal

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performance which can finally be measured without applying a temperature

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offset calculation is pretty decent the new chips sit at cozy but manageable

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temperatures which is especially relevant because amd's precision boost

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unlike intel's turbo boost does not have a duration limit so much like a gpu

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ryzen 3rd gen will keep boosting for as long as it can within its thermal and

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power budgets in other words these things are designed to redline

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under a prime95 small fft load that translates to a sustained frequency not

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a whole lot higher than bass clock but that's okay because under a more

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realistic scenario like a long blender render ryzen 3rd gen cpus manage to

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consistently stay a few hundred megahertz over bass when we try

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disabling the power limits and enabling the most aggressive options for

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precision boost overdrive things did heat up quickly and i suspect that

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voltage tweaking is going to be the main way to get better overclocks on these

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higher end verizon chips with upgraded cooling of course required leading us

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perfectly to one of the major downsides of the x570 platform the active cooling

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usually in the form of a small fan required to control the heat output of

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the motherboard chipset it's a real bummer for me to see this

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cooling trend come back because tiny proprietary cooling fans tend to be one

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of the least reliable components in a pc

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which means that if it fails the best case is that you're jury-rigging a

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cooler to limp along and the worst case is that your motherboard throttles your

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performance or cooks itself before you realize that anything is wrong

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unfortunately this cooling is a necessary evil apparently due to the

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additional power required by pci express gen 4.

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the good news is that at least it does make a difference for storage throughput

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right now we're looking at nearly two gigabytes per second worth and we could

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expect more in the future it's also worth noting here that even

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while we were hitting our aorus ssd with four continuous looping file copies of

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about a gig of photos each crystaldiskmark's sequential right

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numbers barely dipped below what you might consider reasonable for an

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entry-level nvme ssd without any additional load on it not too shabby

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but pci express gen 4 seems to contribute to toasty operation on the

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other side of the link as well and our ssd got

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really hot during benchmarking despite its massive heatsink

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i think we're gonna have to start coming up with some really creative ssd cooling

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solutions folks because while you want the controller to be cool the nand

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itself actually if it gets too cool its reliability gets hurt

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anyway that's a conversation for another time for now now that we've made our way

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through performance it's time to talk value and there's just no way to dance

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around this intel must adjust their prices the ryzen 7 3700x mostly matches

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the core i9 9900k blow for blow but is

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priced lower than a core i7 9700k which

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lacks hyper threading so it's a bad story now and we haven't even looked at

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amd's less expensive overclocking capable chips remember every ryzen is

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unlocked or amd's upcoming 16 core ryzen

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3rd gen now strictly speaking if you're a gamer intel can

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technically still claim to be on top and the core i7 9700k could still appeal to

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you if you're all about that raw frame rate but intel's margin of victory is

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very thin compared to what we're used to seeing and we're only expecting the gap

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to shrink so if you do almost anything else on your computer it gets pretty

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tough to justify so then guys

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this is it take in the moment because for the first

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time in over a decade amd is essentially

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on top of the consumer cpu race and much

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like in the athlon 64 days intel has

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no meaningful response on their roadmap meaning that it is intel who is going to

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have to slash their prices in order to stay competitive

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and the craziest part of all of this is that with team blue still trying to ramp

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up 10 nanometer production amd may end

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up having a response for that by the time it rolls out

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so the final word and i really can't stress enough how important this is

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is whether you like amd or hate amd

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they're back in a big way and you should

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be absolutely freaking stoked because competition is always good for

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