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hey there buddies we're gonna take this cheap CPU and overclock it 25 guy at

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least that's how it used to be when I built my first gaming PC I didn't have a

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lot of money but thanks to a vibrant overclocking Community it was possible

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to save 50 or even a hundred dollars on

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your CPU without feeling like you were totally missing out compared to your

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wealthier friends that's what Intel took away from us when they restricted

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overclocking to their more expensive k-series CPUs and their premium chips at

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motherboards I mean it's not really tuning if they only allow it on the

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factory tuned models is it but nothing's

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more enticing to tuners than an artificial restriction and I have got

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something pretty cool to show you this is a core i5 12 500 a 210 dollar chip

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that we've got running at a whopping 25

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faster Now Intel doesn't want you to have this but I do so let's take a

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closer look at it shall we after we take a closer look at our sponsor sir signal

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the link in the video description if you want to play by their rules Intel

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requires specific CPU and motherboard pairings to overclock your PC but

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whatever you might think of MSI they've done us a huge solid going against

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Intel's wishes and sending over their mag b660m more term Max motherboard it's

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got all the usual goodies PCIe Gen 5 dualgen 4m.2 slots a beefy 60 amp vrm

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and it's got one unusual goodie the star

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of the show its very own external clock

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generator the one the only Renaissance

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rc26008 doesn't have a sexy name but

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it's right here on the board and we're going to talk a little bit more about

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how it works later for now though we overclock for today's experiment we went

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with the core i5 12500 it's not necessarily the best bang for the buck

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assuming that we're going to overclock the snot out of it that might be the 12

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400 because they both have six cores and 12 threads but what's cool about this

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one is that it's the lowest end Intel chip that I would consider to be feature

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Complete because it supports ECC memory it's also available for about 210

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dollars U.S and while I could pay 50

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dollars more for the 12 600k which is

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the entry level overclocking chip with this puppy

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I don't need to to ensure that we're not going to run up against a thermal wall

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we've gone straight to the top of the line for our cooling with an nhd15 from

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Noctua that might seem like kind of a

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wacky Choice when we're so focused on saving a buck but a cooler like this one

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can actually be thought of as a long-term investment one that you can

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carry forward to Future systems with only a cheap mounting adapter bracket

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the frequency or clock speed of the various components of your system is CPU

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the memory even the PCI Express slots is

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derived from your system's b-clock or base clock times some multiplier so the

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safer way to overclock your CPU without risking running anything else out of

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spec is to Simply adjust the CPU multiplier and leave that base clock

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alone unfortunately that's the method that's behind the Intel paywall and

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there is nothing that we can do about it so we are going to use that special

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clock generator chip to enable base clock overclocking and then we can can

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tune it by adjusting our core ratios step one is to adjust our base clock

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from 100 to 125.

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ah yes this is fun to enable CPU overclocking MSI is actually using a

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specific microcode an older version that

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wasn't successfully locked down by Intel now we set our P core Ratio or our

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multiplier to 40 that is a value that is enabled for this particular CPU it's

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just not supposed to be times 125 putting us at 5 gigahertz and then to

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make sure that our poor memory is not going completely out of whack here we

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want to find the closest thing to 3200 and this is amazing it does all the math

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for you look at that for that we might need a little bit more voltage and this

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is a very very quick and dirty quick and dirty overclock

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see what happens well that's disappointing it looks like it didn't

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take we're only running at four gigahertz which if we do the math is our

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multiplier of 40 times 100 base clock

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not 125. unless task manager is not the best

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system monitoring tool hey well wait look at this

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doing it yeah this Chip's not supposed to draw over 120 watts is it

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we're hitting 82 83 degrees on an NHD 15 with a six

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core chip she's spicy anyway the point is we're running at five gigahertz look

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at this that's freaking awesome I was so busy trying to get my Hardware info

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Windows sorted out here that I didn't even think about that this is not

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crashing

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by flipping gigahertz and look at these scores we're getting like 15

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000 nearly 16 000 points in cinebench

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that's not that far off a flipping like 16 core first gen threadripper with six

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cars I freaking love this overclocking

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on Intel hasn't been this much fun in over a decade AMD meanwhile has been

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much more permissive a little bit more on that later on both sides

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realistically we have had a similar issue where most of their products are

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running so close to the red line out of the box that even if you can keep them

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cool there just isn't a ton of Headroom and it's these budget chips where you

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really feel like you're getting a lot more bang for your buck and there's no

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doubt that this thing bangs off camera we pushed it even further to a stable

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overclock of 5.25 gigahertz on all cores

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with 1.2 volts of juice and we saw our performance improved by Leaps and Bounds

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cinebench is up 25 compared to stock

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speed and and still under 85 Degrees like what you heard me that score is

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almost as good as a core I9 from just

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last generation out of the box giving

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you enough money left over to pick up both new colors of our waffle long

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sleeve shirts lttstore.com and we found

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the same thing across the rest of our productivity Benchmark Suite over a

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minute saved in blender major improvements in 7-Zip and an extra 4 000

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points in CPU pass Mark I mean it is

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entirely possible that we won the Silicon Lottery here and that your 12

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500 wouldn't go this far without instability but that's also half the fun

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of it isn't it which makes me kind of Wonder then our AMD's days of being the

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budget-friendly King coming to an end if we can squeeze this much performance out

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of a 200 chip no for a number of reasons first up is

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that unlike Intel AMD allows you to do basically whatever you want with your

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CPU as long as your motherboard's power delivery can handle it and because they

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remove arbitrary lockdowns except in certain cases 5800 X 3D their product

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lineup is simpler as well you want Graphics grab a g-series chip want

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anything else well pick the CPU that's right for you based on the core count

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clock speed and cash if you want to overclock it just about any board

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outside of their very budget a series boards is going to allow it just your

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mileage may vary and unfortunately for the Intel fans out there

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Intel fans you in the house

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hey there you are unfortunately for you guys the same can't be said for y'all

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even with this motherboard why well

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because you can't get this motherboard I

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mean it's on the MSI website and you can get the non-max version which does not

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have the RC 26008 chip but for us to get

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our hands on this thing we had to whip out our press credentials and get them

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to send it to us and it's not that it's like too new or anything they showed

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this thing off months ago and we actually did find a couple of AliExpress

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listings for it but the problem is that they've got additional markups on them

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to the point where they're 230 US Dollars it's not a great deal for a b660

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board plus you're now adding 30 bucks for international shipping plus maybe

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Customs or import fees when it shows up which means that it doesn't really make

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a ton of sense for reference the non-max version of this board without the base

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clock chip on we can't add that much is only 180 US dollars so if you're going

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to be spending so much more well it gets

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to the point where you might as well just look at a cheaper z690 board and

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also since you're such a baller you can throw some money our way for a float

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plan subscription where you can find all the latest extra content like an hour of

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bonus footage from the recent build with my sister and there's another problem

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with all of this I alluded to it before but it needs to be really highlighted

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here that base clock overclocking can be a much worse kind of unstable than CPU

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multiplier overclocking when you're adjusting your CPU multi the odds of

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anything worse than a blue screen are pretty low so you go back into your BIOS

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set it a little bit lower and boom you're back in your game in a couple of

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minutes but with base clock over clocking when they say bass they mean it

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CPU memory PCI Express Lane storage even

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peripherals can be affected when you're adjusting this value and those are

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components that are not designed to run outside of spec so you're going to want

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to run a battery of stability tests disc

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tests you get your fur Mark your mem test and you got to check and make sure

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that everything is stable or you could run into crashes or Worse even things

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like data corruption during real world use and it gets even worse while our

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gaming performance did improve in CPU bound games like CS go where we gained

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50 frames per second we were already getting 460 frames per second so unless

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you're a pro player no offense you're probably not you're not going to benefit

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from that difference then we transitioned over to Modern AAA games

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where we really could use another 50 FPS and well the sad story there is that the

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12 500 is already fast enough that your modern GPU is probably going to be the

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bottleneck anyway so at best we got a

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couple more FPS maybe overclocking is still dead then I've already talked a

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lot about how even top tier coolers like the nhd15 can hardly tame a boosting 12

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900k so good luck overclocking it unless

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you have custom Loop liquid cooling or something much more exotic and then even

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over on the AMD side as permissive as they are if you enable PBO on your 5950x

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it's going to get pretty darn close to its final form without requiring any

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additional fiddling in the BIOS something we explored recently with Pro

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overclocker splav is the advantages of undervolting these higher end chips so

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that they can boost in a stable manner but without cooking themselves but then

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the performance gains from undervolting they're pretty pedestrian compared to

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what we showed you guys today which makes overclocking top tier chips boring

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kind of pointless and expensive so the

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most frustrating thing about this MSI board cool product to be clear really

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like it is that it puts us face to face with what we've lost these lower tier

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CPUs man these things could totally rip

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if you were just allowed to give them a little bit of extra juice at the expense

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of nice to haves like low operating temperatures and a warranty Intel just

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won't allow us to do it now MSI didn't

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respond by the time that we filmed this when we asked why this thing isn't

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broadly available

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which really sucks just like this low

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enjoyed this video check out another of Intel's arbitrary lockdowns where we

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looked at ECC memory support on Alder Lake 12th gen chips

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it's also frustrating but worth a watch