and we'll be beginning our tour of the finally finished mineral oil submersion
cool pc with some inside the oil shots
courtesy of the sony action cam how did we get a waterproof camera inside our pc
that i can't really tell you but what i can tell you is a bit about the camera
itself it supports recording at up to 1080p 60fps 720p 120fps with sony's
steadyshot image stabilization it features a zeiss 170 degree ultra wide
angle lens and most importantly for us the one we picked up this morning comes
with a waterproof housing that appears to be oil proof at least over the very
very short term obviously that's not really what it's
made for it's more for like crazy extreme action shots like this one
that we borrowed from sony's channel which you can check out by clicking the annotation right there but that isn't to
say that pc stuff isn't extreme
and this my friends is about as extreme as it gets here
she is looking so shiny thanks to the constantly cleaning properties of the
mineral oil and weighing in at a massive 75 pounds mine and luke's love child
slick junior the hardware specs for our mineral oil cooled machine are as
follows making it one of the fastest fully submerged gaming machines ever
built we've got a core i7 5960x8 core
processor overclocked to 4.5 gigahertz
and cooled by a thermal right silver arrow we've got 16 gigs of hyperx beast
3000 megahertz ddr4 memory an evga x99
micro motherboard at the time of selecting our parts for this project the
only matx x99 motherboard on the market an evga gtx 780 classified graphics card
an evga supernova 1200 watt 80 plus platinum power supply a 480 gig hyperx
3k SSD and finally the case a puget systems micro atx v2
aquarium case kitted out with all the fun accessories we could put in it like
blue rocks for the bottom a castle and our awesome little plant oh yeah and a
sunken ship building this machine was an absolute
blast luke and i did it together over the course of several afternoons and
there were some hilarious moments some intense moments and some downright scary
moments so if you guys haven't checked out parts one two and three of the build
blog you should do that if you're interested in how this beast was created
but if you just want to know how the whole mineral oil cooling concept works
and how this one performs then you're in luck because today's video is all about
that at stock speeds i was really impressed
with the four fans on the rear radiators running at their lowest speed the
temperature of the coolant was only about eight degrees above ambient at
idle and 17 degrees above ambient with both the CPU and GPU running at full
tilt yielding low temperatures under 60 degrees for both of them overclocked
things got a little bit hairier my CPU was running at 4.5 gigahertz on 8 cores
with the GPU running at 1.267 gigahertz and in this scenario the oil heated up a
lot more thanks to the dramatically higher heat output from both of these
components because the heatsink for the CPU doesn't have a fan next to it to
circulate oil our chip reached 88
degrees 30 degrees higher than stock speed under load but the GPU thanks to
its fans peaked at only 59 degrees
much much lower than air cooling and overall much quieter with only low speed
fans and the pump whose noise is dampened significantly by the oil
producing any audible noise but i'm sure you guys still have lots of questions so
i'm going to go grab luke to help me answer them we're going to do a little q a thing here
all right so luke's joining me for the q a section of this video i mean you guys
watched us build the whole thing but we had a lot of people posting questions in
the comments and we wanted to address some of the most common ones so first
the way this system works in spite of being under liquid is that mineral oil
is not a conductive fluid so as long as the fluid isn't
conductive you're not going to run into the usual issue where an electrical
short will cause the system to shut down or even be damaged so people would then
ask why not distilled or deionized water the problem with that is that water will
pick up minerals and little metals and stuff and then make themselves
conductive over time so you might get like five ten minutes half an hour tops out
of it but then it'll short out your system over time we chose this tank
instead of some random fish tank for a couple of reasons number one is that
getting all the parts from one source is actually a lot more convenient and b can
actually be cheaper because you're saving on shipping cost of getting it shipped to you from a dozen different
places and number two is that it's specifically designed for mineral oil
submersion and the walls are thicker which makes the plexi less prone to
cracking from the constant heating up and cooling down
now when you're choosing parts to go under the oil honestly it almost doesn't
even really matter you just have to be careful what you put under it in terms
of type of component not necessarily like can a graphics card go under or can
this specific graphics card go under so you can't put your optical drive under there you can't put your hard drive
under there because they have mechanically moving components and that's that will actually screw that up
your hard drive might work for a little bit but then the needle is going to get off it's going to be going really slowly
for one and then it will probably eventually stop working the funnel
question is a funny one
because the only reason we didn't use a funnel is because in spite of the number
of times we've run into situations where we could use one we actually don't own
one and diying one didn't occur to us at
the time we didn't put the oil in first and then
the components because of like fairly obviously
displacement problems if you put oil in and then put all the stuff in you
probably won't have the exact amount of oil you'll have too much or too little
and that's not great filling the system all the way to the
top might seem like a good idea on the surface and it might help with this
trickling noise that we're getting right now because we couldn't put that little
piece of tubing in thanks to a clearance issue with the graphics card by the way
it doesn't trickle when the oil is cooler and more viscous i'm running a
stress test right now but the reason that you wouldn't fill it all the way to
the top is that mineral oil already creeps up surfaces and the higher you
are the closer you are to the top the more it's going to creep up and start destroying your cables and anything
that's plugged into the system below the problems with rubber in a system
like this especially that softer kind of rubber that you might find not on this
bubble machine but on some bubble machines feet so you can stick it to the
bottom of the tank is that the mineral oil will actually eat it away and slowly
make it decompose almost sending little tiny gooey fragments of
the rubber all throughout your oil making it look completely gross and
actually disrupting the system overall fish would be a terrible terrible idea
you should be ashamed of yourself for even asking this is not water this is
mineral oil fish would die instantly in it they cannot breathe
mineral oil now i've seen proposals on the internet for
crazy ideas where you actually have like a partition dividing the fish keeping
them separate from the mineral oil but even then there are challenges fish are
extremely sensitive to changes in water temperature just like we're sensitive to
changes in air temperature and i don't think anyone has ever pulled that off
why don't we have a fan on the heatsink we don't have a fan on the heatsink
because we already have a lot of flow and a lot of movement in the oil from
other sources and it it actually
wouldn't serve a huge purpose it might not even help that much because of the
where it would be pushing the oil so there's no actual point in having a fan
there with the video card it's a little bit different it's not next to the pump
it's actually right up against the edge of the aquarium so having the fan
circulating oil through the heatsink will cool the heat sink in much the same
way that circulating air through a heatsink will in fact quite a bit better
we have radiators on this system because oil is going to be able to hold that
temperature really well but it's not very good at getting rid of it so if you
had a high performance system and no radiators your temperature is just going
to keep on going up until it's at unsafe levels if you have radiators on the back
it can pull that oil out cool it down put it back in and it'll kind of more
regulate the actual temperature the pump we're using is actually a
standard pc water cooling pump it's a swiftech mcp355
um nothing special about it other than that it's a nice reliable land made pump
uh is there actually any actual benefit of this compared to air or water
not really other than the fact that it looks really freaking cool
as long as you don't let any gunk get into your oil like if you had rubber
components inside that start to deteriorate or if you had the cover not
closed and some things fell into it there's no reason to clean out the oil
it doesn't need to be changed like your car would
now some people when they see the fans spinning really slowly start to freak
out and think that all the fans are gonna die because there's way too much resistance from the oil actually the
mineral oil acts as a lubricant so yeah it's a little bit harder for the fan to
spin but with the lubricant there and a steady amount of voltage going to the
fan not a steady amount of speed being attempted to be applied to the fan it's
actually totally fine graphics card upgrade would not exactly be a fun
experience not that many upgrades in here are going to be a fun experience
but that's part of the experience of owning a mineral computer it's
everything you do with it is really interesting i built mine because i
wanted a really interesting computer and i knew what was going to come with that
so if you had to swap the graphics card you'd probably be layering an area with
garbage bags so you didn't have mineral oil going all over the place taking
everything out putting part of the system inside of a garbage bag for a
little while taking that card out putting a new one in uh submerging all
that back in probably getting more oil because you lost some onto the garbage
bags filling it up and running the system again and then you're gonna have
to deal with that other oil colored oil covered graphics card
most parts of any pc component are not going to be damaged by mineral oil
things like metals things like the components of printed circuit boards if
anything having mineral oil over top of them especially with some nice flow
through it is going to keep them running cooler and even make them more reliable
over time the only time you're going to run into trouble is anything like cables
for example which can be damaged by mineral oil and in fact made so stiff
that you could break the sheathing around the outsides of say for example
power supply cables once they've been sitting in mineral oil for quite some
time now with thermal compound the mineral oil can kind of get down in
there and eat away at the outsides of it and it might take a lot of it away over
five years of running my own i didn't see all of the thermal compound
removed but especially on my graphics card when i tried to run it outside of
the of the mineral computer after drying it there was enough thermal compound
removed that i ended up frying my card so yes it does take the thermal compound
away but it should be fine while you're inside the mineral oil because the
components haven't been damaged by the oil there's no reason that you can't
reuse them the only issue is that you're probably going to have to let them drip
dry in a nice warm place for a good few weeks before
you're even going to want to consider touching them and even once they've
dripped dry for a few weeks they're always going to have a little bit of
that oily feel to them it won't hurt the functionality though so if you get it on
your clothes you're just going to need a lot of hot water and a lot of soap it's
not easy to get out but it's not really a problem i don't actually know what
happens if you happen to leave your shirt with mineral oil on it for a very
extended period of time because i've always cleaned it fairly quickly but i've never actually had any downsides if
you'd on your skin it's no real problem it's just a fairly simple oil
worth the mess wow it's amazing how many of you quoted what i said when we first
showcased luke's old mineral oil machine and i i said something along the lines
of no never ever absolutely never we are never going to do this on our channel
and having done it once i still don't
think that it's worth the effort to the point where i really wanted to create a
guide that you guys definitely need to follow because it's not something that i
think people should really do unless they're hyper-enthused about it and
they're willing to go out and do the research on their own to do it because
if you're not willing to put that amount of work into it you're probably not a
suitable mineral oil cooled machine owner although i'll let luke answer this
question in his own words as well no that was actually a really good
explanation it's it's going to take some work it is going to be tedious you're
going to have to haul this super heavy thing around sometimes
it's going to take some dedication you're not going to be able to do these really rapid upgrades that you might
wanna do uh replacing a single RAM stick is gonna be
a hell of a problem diagnosing things becomes a little bit different instead
of what i commonly do is just swapping out parts until i figure out what's dead
you're gonna have to spend a lot more time doing software-based diagnosis uh
just it becomes a mess but honestly it's a
really cool experience you just have to make sure that you're like dedicated enough and
you actually really want this because it it's tedious
so this is where i have some good news and some bad news halfway through
completing our build log series on puget's
micro atx rev2 mineral oil submersion
cooling kit we heard from puget that due to a patent dispute from a company that
is just hardcore trolling it like if you guys are upset about this show some support
to puget because this is a really crappy thing that's going on these guys tried
to do mineral oil cooled gaming machines a while back their business venture
ultimately didn't succeed and now they're just patent trolling puget to
the point where this isn't a huge part of puget's business they just do it
because they're enthusiasts about it so they're kind of going well shoot we
can't we can't justify the cost and time associated with defending ourselves from
this bs so we're gonna have to discontinue these systems unfortunately
um you can't buy them anymore uh although the cost was about a thousand
dollars for a kit and all the mineral oil you needed to fill it a little less
eight hundred to a thousand dollars um
so yeah guys show some show some support because it's a super crappy thing that's
going on but uh in response to the uh
right so the good news though is that we're actually getting the rest of
puget's inventory now don't freak out it's only about four units of the mini
itx and micro atx we're getting the rest of their inventory to give away to
anyone in the continental us and canada who wants to own their very own mineral
oil submersion cooling one of the last ones that puget ever produced they can't
sell them anymore so they're giving them to us to give to you guys you guys are
going to want to go to the link in the video description to get the full details but i will say this much guys we
are going to require the winners to send us a copy of their invoice for
purchasing the mineral oil to put into it we're not looking to just ship these
to guys who aren't going to use them we want people to really get use out of them this is a really cool project but
if you're not that into it just don't enter the giveaway because we want
people who are really excited about building a mineral oil cooled machine to
uh to get their hands on these so i think that's pretty much it guys thanks
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