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and we'll be beginning our tour of the finally finished mineral oil submersion

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cool pc with some inside the oil shots

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courtesy of the sony action cam how did we get a waterproof camera inside our pc

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that i can't really tell you but what i can tell you is a bit about the camera

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itself it supports recording at up to 1080p 60fps 720p 120fps with sony's

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steadyshot image stabilization it features a zeiss 170 degree ultra wide

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angle lens and most importantly for us the one we picked up this morning comes

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with a waterproof housing that appears to be oil proof at least over the very

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very short term obviously that's not really what it's

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made for it's more for like crazy extreme action shots like this one

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that we borrowed from sony's channel which you can check out by clicking the annotation right there but that isn't to

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say that pc stuff isn't extreme

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and this my friends is about as extreme as it gets here

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she is looking so shiny thanks to the constantly cleaning properties of the

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mineral oil and weighing in at a massive 75 pounds mine and luke's love child

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slick junior the hardware specs for our mineral oil cooled machine are as

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follows making it one of the fastest fully submerged gaming machines ever

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built we've got a core i7 5960x8 core

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processor overclocked to 4.5 gigahertz

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and cooled by a thermal right silver arrow we've got 16 gigs of hyperx beast

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3000 megahertz ddr4 memory an evga x99

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micro motherboard at the time of selecting our parts for this project the

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only matx x99 motherboard on the market an evga gtx 780 classified graphics card

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an evga supernova 1200 watt 80 plus platinum power supply a 480 gig hyperx

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3k SSD and finally the case a puget systems micro atx v2

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aquarium case kitted out with all the fun accessories we could put in it like

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blue rocks for the bottom a castle and our awesome little plant oh yeah and a

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sunken ship building this machine was an absolute

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blast luke and i did it together over the course of several afternoons and

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there were some hilarious moments some intense moments and some downright scary

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moments so if you guys haven't checked out parts one two and three of the build

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blog you should do that if you're interested in how this beast was created

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but if you just want to know how the whole mineral oil cooling concept works

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and how this one performs then you're in luck because today's video is all about

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that at stock speeds i was really impressed

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with the four fans on the rear radiators running at their lowest speed the

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temperature of the coolant was only about eight degrees above ambient at

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idle and 17 degrees above ambient with both the CPU and GPU running at full

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tilt yielding low temperatures under 60 degrees for both of them overclocked

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things got a little bit hairier my CPU was running at 4.5 gigahertz on 8 cores

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with the GPU running at 1.267 gigahertz and in this scenario the oil heated up a

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lot more thanks to the dramatically higher heat output from both of these

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components because the heatsink for the CPU doesn't have a fan next to it to

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circulate oil our chip reached 88

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degrees 30 degrees higher than stock speed under load but the GPU thanks to

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its fans peaked at only 59 degrees

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much much lower than air cooling and overall much quieter with only low speed

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fans and the pump whose noise is dampened significantly by the oil

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producing any audible noise but i'm sure you guys still have lots of questions so

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i'm going to go grab luke to help me answer them we're going to do a little q a thing here

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all right so luke's joining me for the q a section of this video i mean you guys

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watched us build the whole thing but we had a lot of people posting questions in

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the comments and we wanted to address some of the most common ones so first

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the way this system works in spite of being under liquid is that mineral oil

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is not a conductive fluid so as long as the fluid isn't

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conductive you're not going to run into the usual issue where an electrical

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short will cause the system to shut down or even be damaged so people would then

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ask why not distilled or deionized water the problem with that is that water will

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pick up minerals and little metals and stuff and then make themselves

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conductive over time so you might get like five ten minutes half an hour tops out

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of it but then it'll short out your system over time we chose this tank

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instead of some random fish tank for a couple of reasons number one is that

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getting all the parts from one source is actually a lot more convenient and b can

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actually be cheaper because you're saving on shipping cost of getting it shipped to you from a dozen different

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places and number two is that it's specifically designed for mineral oil

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submersion and the walls are thicker which makes the plexi less prone to

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cracking from the constant heating up and cooling down

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now when you're choosing parts to go under the oil honestly it almost doesn't

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even really matter you just have to be careful what you put under it in terms

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of type of component not necessarily like can a graphics card go under or can

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this specific graphics card go under so you can't put your optical drive under there you can't put your hard drive

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under there because they have mechanically moving components and that's that will actually screw that up

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your hard drive might work for a little bit but then the needle is going to get off it's going to be going really slowly

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for one and then it will probably eventually stop working the funnel

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question is a funny one

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because the only reason we didn't use a funnel is because in spite of the number

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of times we've run into situations where we could use one we actually don't own

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one and diying one didn't occur to us at

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the time we didn't put the oil in first and then

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the components because of like fairly obviously

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displacement problems if you put oil in and then put all the stuff in you

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probably won't have the exact amount of oil you'll have too much or too little

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and that's not great filling the system all the way to the

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top might seem like a good idea on the surface and it might help with this

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trickling noise that we're getting right now because we couldn't put that little

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piece of tubing in thanks to a clearance issue with the graphics card by the way

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it doesn't trickle when the oil is cooler and more viscous i'm running a

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stress test right now but the reason that you wouldn't fill it all the way to

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the top is that mineral oil already creeps up surfaces and the higher you

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are the closer you are to the top the more it's going to creep up and start destroying your cables and anything

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that's plugged into the system below the problems with rubber in a system

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like this especially that softer kind of rubber that you might find not on this

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bubble machine but on some bubble machines feet so you can stick it to the

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bottom of the tank is that the mineral oil will actually eat it away and slowly

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make it decompose almost sending little tiny gooey fragments of

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the rubber all throughout your oil making it look completely gross and

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actually disrupting the system overall fish would be a terrible terrible idea

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you should be ashamed of yourself for even asking this is not water this is

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mineral oil fish would die instantly in it they cannot breathe

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mineral oil now i've seen proposals on the internet for

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crazy ideas where you actually have like a partition dividing the fish keeping

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them separate from the mineral oil but even then there are challenges fish are

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extremely sensitive to changes in water temperature just like we're sensitive to

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changes in air temperature and i don't think anyone has ever pulled that off

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why don't we have a fan on the heatsink we don't have a fan on the heatsink

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because we already have a lot of flow and a lot of movement in the oil from

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other sources and it it actually

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wouldn't serve a huge purpose it might not even help that much because of the

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where it would be pushing the oil so there's no actual point in having a fan

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there with the video card it's a little bit different it's not next to the pump

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it's actually right up against the edge of the aquarium so having the fan

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circulating oil through the heatsink will cool the heat sink in much the same

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way that circulating air through a heatsink will in fact quite a bit better

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we have radiators on this system because oil is going to be able to hold that

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temperature really well but it's not very good at getting rid of it so if you

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had a high performance system and no radiators your temperature is just going

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to keep on going up until it's at unsafe levels if you have radiators on the back

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it can pull that oil out cool it down put it back in and it'll kind of more

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regulate the actual temperature the pump we're using is actually a

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standard pc water cooling pump it's a swiftech mcp355

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um nothing special about it other than that it's a nice reliable land made pump

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uh is there actually any actual benefit of this compared to air or water

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not really other than the fact that it looks really freaking cool

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as long as you don't let any gunk get into your oil like if you had rubber

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components inside that start to deteriorate or if you had the cover not

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closed and some things fell into it there's no reason to clean out the oil

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it doesn't need to be changed like your car would

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now some people when they see the fans spinning really slowly start to freak

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out and think that all the fans are gonna die because there's way too much resistance from the oil actually the

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mineral oil acts as a lubricant so yeah it's a little bit harder for the fan to

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spin but with the lubricant there and a steady amount of voltage going to the

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fan not a steady amount of speed being attempted to be applied to the fan it's

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actually totally fine graphics card upgrade would not exactly be a fun

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experience not that many upgrades in here are going to be a fun experience

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but that's part of the experience of owning a mineral computer it's

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everything you do with it is really interesting i built mine because i

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wanted a really interesting computer and i knew what was going to come with that

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so if you had to swap the graphics card you'd probably be layering an area with

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garbage bags so you didn't have mineral oil going all over the place taking

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everything out putting part of the system inside of a garbage bag for a

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little while taking that card out putting a new one in uh submerging all

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that back in probably getting more oil because you lost some onto the garbage

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bags filling it up and running the system again and then you're gonna have

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to deal with that other oil colored oil covered graphics card

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most parts of any pc component are not going to be damaged by mineral oil

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things like metals things like the components of printed circuit boards if

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anything having mineral oil over top of them especially with some nice flow

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through it is going to keep them running cooler and even make them more reliable

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over time the only time you're going to run into trouble is anything like cables

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for example which can be damaged by mineral oil and in fact made so stiff

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that you could break the sheathing around the outsides of say for example

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power supply cables once they've been sitting in mineral oil for quite some

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time now with thermal compound the mineral oil can kind of get down in

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there and eat away at the outsides of it and it might take a lot of it away over

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five years of running my own i didn't see all of the thermal compound

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removed but especially on my graphics card when i tried to run it outside of

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the of the mineral computer after drying it there was enough thermal compound

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removed that i ended up frying my card so yes it does take the thermal compound

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away but it should be fine while you're inside the mineral oil because the

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components haven't been damaged by the oil there's no reason that you can't

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reuse them the only issue is that you're probably going to have to let them drip

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dry in a nice warm place for a good few weeks before

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you're even going to want to consider touching them and even once they've

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dripped dry for a few weeks they're always going to have a little bit of

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that oily feel to them it won't hurt the functionality though so if you get it on

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your clothes you're just going to need a lot of hot water and a lot of soap it's

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not easy to get out but it's not really a problem i don't actually know what

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happens if you happen to leave your shirt with mineral oil on it for a very

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extended period of time because i've always cleaned it fairly quickly but i've never actually had any downsides if

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you'd on your skin it's no real problem it's just a fairly simple oil

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worth the mess wow it's amazing how many of you quoted what i said when we first

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showcased luke's old mineral oil machine and i i said something along the lines

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of no never ever absolutely never we are never going to do this on our channel

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and having done it once i still don't

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think that it's worth the effort to the point where i really wanted to create a

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guide that you guys definitely need to follow because it's not something that i

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think people should really do unless they're hyper-enthused about it and

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they're willing to go out and do the research on their own to do it because

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if you're not willing to put that amount of work into it you're probably not a

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suitable mineral oil cooled machine owner although i'll let luke answer this

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question in his own words as well no that was actually a really good

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explanation it's it's going to take some work it is going to be tedious you're

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going to have to haul this super heavy thing around sometimes

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it's going to take some dedication you're not going to be able to do these really rapid upgrades that you might

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wanna do uh replacing a single RAM stick is gonna be

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a hell of a problem diagnosing things becomes a little bit different instead

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of what i commonly do is just swapping out parts until i figure out what's dead

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you're gonna have to spend a lot more time doing software-based diagnosis uh

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just it becomes a mess but honestly it's a

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really cool experience you just have to make sure that you're like dedicated enough and

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you actually really want this because it it's tedious

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so this is where i have some good news and some bad news halfway through

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completing our build log series on puget's

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micro atx rev2 mineral oil submersion

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cooling kit we heard from puget that due to a patent dispute from a company that

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is just hardcore trolling it like if you guys are upset about this show some support

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to puget because this is a really crappy thing that's going on these guys tried

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to do mineral oil cooled gaming machines a while back their business venture

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ultimately didn't succeed and now they're just patent trolling puget to

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the point where this isn't a huge part of puget's business they just do it

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because they're enthusiasts about it so they're kind of going well shoot we

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can't we can't justify the cost and time associated with defending ourselves from

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this bs so we're gonna have to discontinue these systems unfortunately

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um you can't buy them anymore uh although the cost was about a thousand

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dollars for a kit and all the mineral oil you needed to fill it a little less

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eight hundred to a thousand dollars um

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so yeah guys show some show some support because it's a super crappy thing that's

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going on but uh in response to the uh

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right so the good news though is that we're actually getting the rest of

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puget's inventory now don't freak out it's only about four units of the mini

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itx and micro atx we're getting the rest of their inventory to give away to

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anyone in the continental us and canada who wants to own their very own mineral

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oil submersion cooling one of the last ones that puget ever produced they can't

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sell them anymore so they're giving them to us to give to you guys you guys are

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going to want to go to the link in the video description to get the full details but i will say this much guys we

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are going to require the winners to send us a copy of their invoice for

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purchasing the mineral oil to put into it we're not looking to just ship these

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to guys who aren't going to use them we want people to really get use out of them this is a really cool project but

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if you're not that into it just don't enter the giveaway because we want

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people who are really excited about building a mineral oil cooled machine to

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uh to get their hands on these so i think that's pretty much it guys thanks

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for watching like this video if you liked it just like it if you just liked it leave a comment if your feelings are

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more complicated than this as always there's links in the video description to our sponsors as well as the other

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thing that we do what else do we do amazon link right the amazon link uh

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t-shirts and uh new office campaign new office campaign

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uh why isn't it working

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and uh also our other channel where we uh

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what have you done i didn't i swear to god i'm not even pressing yours just

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because it's not working yet this is gonna suck we're also gonna have

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a link to our Channel Super Fun where you can find out why luke and i are

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wearing shock collars that were you're pressing the vibrate one and also it's

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not working

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well whatever there's gonna be a video where we're trolling each other with shot callers once we get them