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it's been a pretty sad depressing year for desktop CPUs Den 5 was cool

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literally but not exciting and then core

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Ultra 200 was interesting but

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unimpressive today that changes behold

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the blessing that AMD hath bestowed upon us imbued with second generation 3D

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vcash higher clock speeds and more power

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the 9800 X 3D somehow tops our gaming

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charts and it runs cooler than the x3d

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chips that came before it what the heck

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that's not usually how that works at all is something wrong that's a good

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while the 7800x 3D came out a year after

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the 5800 x3d it still used what AMD

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calls first generation 3D vcash so sure

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the new chip performed better than the old one but the big selling point the 3D

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Vash wasn't all that different physically AMD piled a bunch of extra

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cash on top of the chip threw game games at it and then generously distributed

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high fives throughout the office with the 9800 x3d though we're getting

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something fresh we're still getting the same number of cores eight cores with

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two threads each and the same amount of cash 96 megabytes of level three and 1

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Megabyte of level two per core but they've gone and they've put all of that

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juicy 3D V cache below the core complex

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die which contains New Zen 5 processing course this change allows for better

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Cooling which also seems to have allowed AMD to juice those cores a little harder

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resulting in a 200 MHz uplift and boost clocks over last gen and a surprising

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500 MHz increase to base clocks now the

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official TDP has actually remained the same but our 9800 x3d is definitely

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sucking back more power both in productivity and in games and what's

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especially cool to some of you watching this video is that AMD has committed to

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finally unlock these chips allowing overclocking we're going to be looking

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at four different platforms today Intel 200 series Intel 14th gen am4 for The

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Savvy Gamers who bought into that long live platform and AMD's 9000 Series non

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x3d chips we also threw in a ryzen 3600x

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for anyone who's on a slightly older platform and is wondering if it's

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finally time and you know what it just might be do you like generational uplift

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how do you like them generational uplift this jump in f123 at 1080p low it's not

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quite as big as the leap from Zen 3 to Zen 4 with only about a 5% Improvement

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in 1% lows and about 8% in averages but

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for those of you who have been holding on to am4 an upgrade is starting to look

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a lot more enticing we're talking about a 20% Improvement in average FPS and 13%

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in lows compared to our 5800 x3d then

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there's Stellaris going from a SIM time of 110 seconds on Zen 3 down to just 92

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for Zen 4 that was good hitting 78

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seconds on the new 9800 X 3D that's even

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better there is some decent competition from the other zen5 chips our 9700x

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isn't too far behind here but now that we've got all of those IPC gains from

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the 9000 Series alongside 3D vcash the

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true gaming winner is clear and things

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look dire for anyone who's trying to compete with AMD in Shadow of the Tomb

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Raider look at this it's all AMD all x3d

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at the top with the newcomer breaking the 400 and 300 FPS barriers in averages

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and 1% lows respectively there are other good options here the 5800 X 3D is still

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a great performer and its value cannot be overstated especially if you already

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have an am4 motherboard but they've gone end of life so getting a deal on one

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might be a little harder in the short term there are other options though and

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we're going to talk about those a little bit later during our value analysis bit

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for now let's come back to game benchmarks where cyberpunk shows similar

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gains over every other chip and Intel gets just demolished across multiple

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Generations I mean I guess a little more gen to gen uplift would be nice to see

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for the 9800 x3d but it's clear we're off to a bloody good start and a bloody

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good continuation Total War Warhammer 3

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is yet another win it isn't much better than the 9700x but it is better while

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we've got a few more games where the improvements for the 9800 x3d are

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certainly less impressive there's decent improvements to 1% lows in Red Dead

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Redemption 2 particularly over the 5800 x3d and while rocket League doesn't seem

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to care much about 3D vcash the 9800 x3d

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actually rocks in this game Crossing 800 frames per second in averages which puts

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it right near the top of the list but here's the thing for CPU reviews we test

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at 1080p low this tells us which CPU is

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the best by removing any other system bottlenecks like the GPU but it's kind

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of like comparing cars based on their top speeds it's good to know and a

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faster car is a faster car if that's what you want to spend your money on but

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it's not necessarily representative of the daily Driving Experience for a

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typical user so what happens with our

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x3d chips when we daily drive them

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bumping up the resolution in the in-game settings I mean we've got a 490 on the

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bench we might want to use our 49 90 and as it turns out 1080p Ultra and

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cyberpunk doesn't give us a huge reason to upgrade to this new CPU all three of

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our processors perform well enough and

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as we get more and more GPU bottlenecked through 1440p and 4K resolutions it

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becomes harder and harder to justify and

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yeah I know cyber Punk not the be all and end all but out of the four games we

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tested at Ultra cyber Punk was actually the one that saw the most Improvement

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black myth Wukong set to ultra is basically neck and neck across all three

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resolutions and so is f123 with all

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three chips within a few FPS of each other as for Red Dead Redemption 2 even

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at 1080p there's really not a lot of justification for this upgrade if you

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like to make your games look pretty which is all kind of a downer I mean I

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was pretty excited but it could be exciting for those folks out there who

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don't have a ton of money to upgrade to a new platform with ddr5 speaking of

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it's been a while since I am 5 debuted so for funsies we tried some different

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memory kits to see if RAM speed is important on our new ryzen 7 and it is

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but not very faster memory resulted in

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more average FPS 1% lows or both on the three games we tested but not by that

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much with 6,800 megat transfers per second looking like the sweet spot for

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Value coming back to legitimately compelling reasons to upgrade though I

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want to talk about how much better thermals are on this new CPU both the 98

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800 x3d and the 7800 x3d are rated for

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120 W TDP but only the new CPU actually

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draws anywhere near that amount in our testing in cinebench last gen only draws

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about 82 Watts on average while reaching 75° C our 9800 x3d thanks to putting the

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vcash below the CCD is drawing up to the

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full 120 watts while running 7° cooler

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on average now this testing was done with a 360 m AIO but what is clear from

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looking at these numbers is that you could Max this thing out with a modest

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Tower cooler and never worry about thermal throttling it's also going to be

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a dream for small form factor Builders

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and that carries through the gaming as well in our f123 stress test we're only

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using a few more watts on average but we see another 8° drop that is flipping

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wild and it kills any interest that someone might have had in other CPUs

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that have been Bri about new lower temperatures actually AMD Zone included

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but what about the teeny tiny elephant in the room let's talk about

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productivity while many of you out there are only interested in gaming many

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others enjoy Computing in a different way I want to take a closer look at the

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9800 X 3D compared to its 9000 Series

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brethren in blender it's a few seconds behind the 9700x and way ahead of last

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gen respectable in good compile it now beats the 9700 X but is significantly

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behind the higher tier AMD chips handbrake same thing Photoshop sees the

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only clear win for the 9800 X 3D but then Premiere it's back just above the

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9700x prime seeve okay same thing wide

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cruncher I think we're sensing a bit of a pattern here um how about seven zip uh

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yep okay cin bench oh this is something

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a little different it beats the 9700x in

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multicore and then Lo es by just two points in single core very cool you know

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the 9700x as a solid do everything CPU

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this launch might not change that much I

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mean sure this is objectively the

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fastest game CPU on the market and if

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you want the best of the best this is it

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but bear with me for a second here at MSRP the 9800 x3d costs a whopping $230

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R dues or $150 more than the

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9700x and if you're spending almost $500

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on your CPU alone are you really gaming at 108p I'm not trying to shame anyone

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who is some of you are probably literally professional Gamers and you've

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got your reasons but for the folks who aren't trying to go pro a decent 1440p

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gaming monitor is like 200 bucks these days and it's probably going to do more

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for your enjoyment than a shiny new CPU that shaves a little bit off of your

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frame times and even for the folks with aging systems the 5800 x3d it's end of

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life but you can still purchase a 5700 x3d which is only a little slower brand

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new for $200 at the time of filming that

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means you could throw in a RAM upgrade a 2 TB m.2 SSD and a nice meal and

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you're still paying less than you would for this CPU alone now there are other

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reasons to migrate to a new platform PCIe Gen 5 for example that might be a

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Difference Maker when NVIDIA's 50 Series arrives in the next couple of months but

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you should choose based on what a purchase does for you today not based on

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what it might do for you later so don't

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get me wrong the improvements that AMD has made here especially when it comes

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to thermals with the second gen design are awesome I mean it's refreshing to

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have something to be excited about for a change and I'm sure these are going to

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fly off the shelves as Gamers make the move to am5 we're going to have all the

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being what it is I think it's worth taking a second look at the rest of the

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9000 series or even last gen if there

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are deals to be had either way it looks like team red is going to do just fine

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