what is this last gen crap AMD
where is my next gen zen 3 Threadripper
well as it turns out AMD themselves might not know yet because their new
milan zen 3 epic processors look so
ridiculously overpowered that it's kind of hard to see where threadripper or
Intel for that matter fits in anymore so i'm actually starting to understand why
they took a serious business data center product and gave it this misspelled
gamery name
cause they knew it would be so let's dig through this absolutely huge
announcement and then see if we can make some educated guesses about where AMD
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AMD's ryzen 5000 cpus propelled them to the forefront of desktop performance and
now they're looking to bring that same special sauce to the enterprise with
milan their third generation epic lineup
now to say that AMD has completely leapfrogged Intel here would be an
injustice one cannot leapfrog that which one has already
frog loped okay and based on the numbers
that AMD is showing here they are going to have as much as double the
performance or more depending on the workloads compared to their competition
this is largely thanks to the zen 3 architecture which provides a healthy
uplift in performance per clock or ipc
over zen 2. now we did a brief explainer on how they managed this in our ryzen
5000 series review but as a refresher nearly 50 percent of the improvement
comes from load store and front-end improvements with adjustments to the
cash and branch prediction picking up most of the rest as AMD points out not
only do they now have a full 32 megabytes of level 3 cache shared across
up to 8 cores and a retooled layout that no longer splits groups of cores up in
compute complexes or ccx's but instead
of doing one load and one store per cycle the new pipeline is now also
capable of doing up to three loads and two stores per cycle which as you can
imagine well doubling anything is
a big freaking deal especially for crunching a lot of data
what's more they have four more table walkers for a total of six now which
means that heavy database workloads that rely on lookup tables will be
significantly sped up again big freaking deal for the enterprise
because when you're say twitter or reddit you have got a lot of data to
sift through most of it garbage but it's a lot of data
and that's not all AMD is also increasing the number of skus available
to a total of 19 with anywhere from one to eight cores per die and all but four
of them are dual socket capable that is really scary for Intel who already needs
two sockets to compete with AMD's one
now of the skus that are dual socket capable there are four that are
specifically optimized for per thread performance which not only gives them
higher clocks than the rest of the stack but they also get as much level 3 cache
as possible per core and the performance
implications here can't be overstated these cpus are probably what will end up
forming the basis of zen 3 based threadripper cpus for enthusiasts and
workstation users regardless of core count and socket compatibility all of
these new epics share the same features including drop in compatibility with
previous generation epic boards a little more than a BIOS update and oh this is
pretty cool epic can now take advantage of 4 channel 6 channel and 8 channel
memory which substantially improves flexibility in deployment flexible like
our underwear at ltdstore.com there it is now of course epic has
always been AMD's server and data center play and they seem really proud of the
sheer compute power that they can bring to bear which can reduce total cost of
ownership through just increasing the density and lowering the requirements
for software licenses in a deployment but they're also laser focused on the
ecosystem itself which they referred to as the third leg of the stool i mean
some people have a you know four-legged stool and if they didn't have one it'd
be fine but i guess they don't one of the biggest aspects of this has been
improving security through hardware features they've created a fully
authenticated boot process starting from before the CPU ever even hits x86 BIOS
or operating system code they've also implemented secure nested paging meaning
that an operating system in a virtual machine is now protected against an
insecure hypervisor so that's the operating system that hosts the virtual
ones so for example if a server in a rack gets compromised somehow the guest
virtual machine running on it will not be directly vulnerable which would be a
huge deal for a vps host speaking of which we're going to try making our own
google stadia using google cloud so uh get subscribed so you don't miss that
gong show chances are though unless you're doing something crazy like making your own
stadia you're not running a vps host at home so why don't we change gears and do
a little bit of theory crafting here most people who need more than a ryzen
desktop CPU will be running threadripper and because threadripper development
tends to follow epic we can make a few predictions for how the next
threadripper cpus might look it seems pretty safe to assume that the
mainstream threadripper lineup will consist of skus based on the per thread
optimized 24 core and 32 core epic skus
with higher end 48 core and 64 core skus coming later unless maybe that doesn't
happen because in the past we've seen thread vapors reach higher clock speeds
than their epic counterparts but these new epic cpus could be a different story
because their thermal and power consumption ratings are significantly
higher than the second generation roam chips that they replace in fact they're
kind of already in line with the threadripper 3000 series tdps which
poses a bit of a problem without increasing the power consumption and
heat output all the way like past 300
watts how could AMD hope to increase clock speeds for their workstation products in
order to get the threadripper 3970x to its rated clock AMD had to bump the TDP
by 55 watts over the otherwise very similar epic 7742
i mean surely there's not that much power taken up by the expanded memory
controller and secure processor integrated into the i o die right so
at these kinds of TDP increases we might not even be able to get a 64 core thread
ripper assuming it needed higher clock speeds maybe AMD's already telegraphing
their next play with the recent release of their threadripper pro platform i
mean on the surface it didn't make a ton of sense right shiny new chipset and
motherboards dusty old zentu architecture cpus
so that could be it ryzen for consumers with lower core counts epic for servers
and then these epic derived pro cpus and
threadripper for consumers quietly goes away
only time will tell for now we can only speculate and look
forward to much faster top-end cpus than have previously been possible and tell
you guys to make sure you're subscribed because we are hoping to have more
coverage of these epic chips in the weeks to come once we can get hands-on
with them and time will also tell whether Intel
can catch up to what AMD's been able to accomplish here with their new
leadership and old professionals coming back into the fold i'm actually really
excited for competition to return for now though AMD enjoy your time at the
top but don't get too comfortable don't become what you've tried so hard
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