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what is this last gen crap AMD

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where is my next gen zen 3 Threadripper

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well as it turns out AMD themselves might not know yet because their new

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milan zen 3 epic processors look so

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ridiculously overpowered that it's kind of hard to see where threadripper or

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Intel for that matter fits in anymore so i'm actually starting to understand why

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they took a serious business data center product and gave it this misspelled

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gamery name

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cause they knew it would be so let's dig through this absolutely huge

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announcement and then see if we can make some educated guesses about where AMD

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AMD's ryzen 5000 cpus propelled them to the forefront of desktop performance and

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now they're looking to bring that same special sauce to the enterprise with

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milan their third generation epic lineup

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now to say that AMD has completely leapfrogged Intel here would be an

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injustice one cannot leapfrog that which one has already

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frog loped okay and based on the numbers

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that AMD is showing here they are going to have as much as double the

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performance or more depending on the workloads compared to their competition

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this is largely thanks to the zen 3 architecture which provides a healthy

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uplift in performance per clock or ipc

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over zen 2. now we did a brief explainer on how they managed this in our ryzen

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5000 series review but as a refresher nearly 50 percent of the improvement

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comes from load store and front-end improvements with adjustments to the

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cash and branch prediction picking up most of the rest as AMD points out not

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only do they now have a full 32 megabytes of level 3 cache shared across

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up to 8 cores and a retooled layout that no longer splits groups of cores up in

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compute complexes or ccx's but instead

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of doing one load and one store per cycle the new pipeline is now also

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capable of doing up to three loads and two stores per cycle which as you can

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imagine well doubling anything is

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a big freaking deal especially for crunching a lot of data

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what's more they have four more table walkers for a total of six now which

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means that heavy database workloads that rely on lookup tables will be

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significantly sped up again big freaking deal for the enterprise

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because when you're say twitter or reddit you have got a lot of data to

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sift through most of it garbage but it's a lot of data

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and that's not all AMD is also increasing the number of skus available

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to a total of 19 with anywhere from one to eight cores per die and all but four

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of them are dual socket capable that is really scary for Intel who already needs

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two sockets to compete with AMD's one

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now of the skus that are dual socket capable there are four that are

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specifically optimized for per thread performance which not only gives them

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higher clocks than the rest of the stack but they also get as much level 3 cache

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as possible per core and the performance

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implications here can't be overstated these cpus are probably what will end up

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forming the basis of zen 3 based threadripper cpus for enthusiasts and

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workstation users regardless of core count and socket compatibility all of

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these new epics share the same features including drop in compatibility with

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previous generation epic boards a little more than a BIOS update and oh this is

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pretty cool epic can now take advantage of 4 channel 6 channel and 8 channel

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memory which substantially improves flexibility in deployment flexible like

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our underwear at ltdstore.com there it is now of course epic has

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always been AMD's server and data center play and they seem really proud of the

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sheer compute power that they can bring to bear which can reduce total cost of

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ownership through just increasing the density and lowering the requirements

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for software licenses in a deployment but they're also laser focused on the

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ecosystem itself which they referred to as the third leg of the stool i mean

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some people have a you know four-legged stool and if they didn't have one it'd

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be fine but i guess they don't one of the biggest aspects of this has been

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improving security through hardware features they've created a fully

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authenticated boot process starting from before the CPU ever even hits x86 BIOS

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or operating system code they've also implemented secure nested paging meaning

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that an operating system in a virtual machine is now protected against an

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insecure hypervisor so that's the operating system that hosts the virtual

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ones so for example if a server in a rack gets compromised somehow the guest

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virtual machine running on it will not be directly vulnerable which would be a

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huge deal for a vps host speaking of which we're going to try making our own

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stadia you're not running a vps host at home so why don't we change gears and do

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a little bit of theory crafting here most people who need more than a ryzen

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desktop CPU will be running threadripper and because threadripper development

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tends to follow epic we can make a few predictions for how the next

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threadripper cpus might look it seems pretty safe to assume that the

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mainstream threadripper lineup will consist of skus based on the per thread

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optimized 24 core and 32 core epic skus

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with higher end 48 core and 64 core skus coming later unless maybe that doesn't

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happen because in the past we've seen thread vapors reach higher clock speeds

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than their epic counterparts but these new epic cpus could be a different story

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because their thermal and power consumption ratings are significantly

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higher than the second generation roam chips that they replace in fact they're

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kind of already in line with the threadripper 3000 series tdps which

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poses a bit of a problem without increasing the power consumption and

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heat output all the way like past 300

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watts how could AMD hope to increase clock speeds for their workstation products in

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order to get the threadripper 3970x to its rated clock AMD had to bump the TDP

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by 55 watts over the otherwise very similar epic 7742

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i mean surely there's not that much power taken up by the expanded memory

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controller and secure processor integrated into the i o die right so

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at these kinds of TDP increases we might not even be able to get a 64 core thread

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ripper assuming it needed higher clock speeds maybe AMD's already telegraphing

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their next play with the recent release of their threadripper pro platform i

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mean on the surface it didn't make a ton of sense right shiny new chipset and

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motherboards dusty old zentu architecture cpus

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so that could be it ryzen for consumers with lower core counts epic for servers

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and then these epic derived pro cpus and

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threadripper for consumers quietly goes away

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only time will tell for now we can only speculate and look

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forward to much faster top-end cpus than have previously been possible and tell

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you guys to make sure you're subscribed because we are hoping to have more

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coverage of these epic chips in the weeks to come once we can get hands-on

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with them and time will also tell whether Intel

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can catch up to what AMD's been able to accomplish here with their new

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leadership and old professionals coming back into the fold i'm actually really

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excited for competition to return for now though AMD enjoy your time at the

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