WEBVTT 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:08.320 for years i've been telling manufacturers look i don't really see the difference between a monitor and a 00:00:05.359 --> 00:00:13.759 tv and it's driven me especially crazy when within one company like say for 00:00:10.719 --> 00:00:15.360 example lg they have completely 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:19.600 different technologies that they're using for the different product lines i 00:00:17.279 --> 00:00:25.359 mean we're at the point now where a big monitor is already the size of like a 00:00:22.560 --> 00:00:30.880 couple generations ago tv anyway well looks like lg's tv division finally 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:36.480 got the message and ever since they first unveiled the c10 48-inch OLED 00:00:35.360 --> 00:00:42.239 tv they've been kind of quietly marketing 00:00:38.800 --> 00:00:45.520 it as a gaming slash productivity 00:00:42.239 --> 00:00:47.520 monitor so today we're gonna see if that 00:00:45.520 --> 00:00:51.840 actually holds up the ub key from ubico is a cost 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:56.239 effective and easy to use two factor authentication solution learn more below 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:59.239 and stay tuned for more later in this video 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:12.400 the first time i saw someone use a tv as a monitor was probably in the mid 2000s 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:15.040 at a lan party the guy hauled it all the way there because he was like guys 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:18.880 you're not gonna believe this it's the greatest gaming experience ever it's so 00:01:16.799 --> 00:01:24.000 immersive meanwhile i'm looking at it going unless i was sitting this far away 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:30.240 from it that looks like hot garbage dude because it was running at 1366 by 768. 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:34.880 well that problem is behind us if you look at these marks on the floor we've 00:01:32.240 --> 00:01:38.400 got the location of the tv a couple of optimal viewing distances sort of 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:43.280 specifying how much of your field of view cinematic content should take up 00:01:40.479 --> 00:01:47.600 and then perhaps most importantly this visual acuity distance this is the 00:01:45.520 --> 00:01:51.759 marker for where i should be able to sit to not be able to make out any 00:01:49.119 --> 00:01:56.799 individual pixels on the display because the c10 48 inch is 4k 00:01:54.399 --> 00:02:01.280 i can actually sit this close to it and this is theoretical but 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:06.000 i can't make out any of the pixels yeah i mean this looks looks freaking awesome 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:10.720 so does it hold up when we get this close you know what's funny because the 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:15.120 display is so large i may actually be significantly further away from the 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:19.680 corners than i am from the center distance from the screen itself is about 00:02:17.760 --> 00:02:24.800 20 inches distance from the corner if i was to 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:25.680 read the text on recycle bin 29 inches 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:31.040 so ah if i'm looking over there it's retina 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:35.040 if i'm looking here it's not quite i guess this was one of the bigger issues 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:38.080 with those older low resolution displays while you could make up some of the low 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:42.480 pixel density with you know anti-aliasing or you know squinting a 00:02:40.720 --> 00:02:47.280 little bit if you were trying to read text and use it for actual productivity 00:02:44.640 --> 00:02:52.560 it was unbearable this on the other hand looks great i mean i daily drove a 1440p 00:02:50.480 --> 00:02:56.319 27 inch class display until not that long ago and i've always felt that that 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:59.680 was my good enough point and this is better than that of course one of the 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:03.840 advantages that monitors have enjoyed until recently is higher refresh rate 00:03:01.920 --> 00:03:10.800 support due to the superior bandwidth of displayport 1.4 versus HDMI 2.0 of 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:17.440 course that changes if you've got an rtx 3000 series graphics card and an HDMI 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:19.360 2.1 monitor like this one so we can jump 00:03:17.440 --> 00:03:24.560 all the way down to 4k 120 hertz and get that high refresh rate 00:03:22.239 --> 00:03:28.800 smoothness without dealing with the weird color fringing on text and fine 00:03:26.959 --> 00:03:34.239 details that you would get with chroma subsampling of course there's far more 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:39.200 to the gaming experience than just refresh rate and that's where things get 00:03:36.720 --> 00:03:44.080 really interesting here now your eyes actually have a natural amount of motion 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:48.640 blur so even if these pixels were flipping instantly i would still see 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:52.239 this image as blurry which is why we recently got our hands on 00:03:52.720 --> 00:04:00.599 a high speed camera check this out 00:03:56.080 --> 00:04:03.599 this is this tv the c10 48 inch versus a 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:06.000 360 hertz gaming monitor using a fast 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:11.599 ips panel from ASUS so this is at 60 hertz to level the 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:14.560 playing field 1000 frames per second 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:18.000 OLED on the left ips on the right here's the start of the transition 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:26.400 it is complete in three to four frames the first thing 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:30.000 that happens is this leading edge dark spot actually disappears two 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:34.800 three four five six seven 00:04:33.440 --> 00:04:39.520 eight nine ten 00:04:36.960 --> 00:04:44.320 was it actually done that is so much longer even on a top tier gaming ips 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:48.639 another cool thing the high speed camera shows us is how displays refresh from 00:04:46.479 --> 00:04:52.720 top to bottom so check this out one so this is where the top one 00:04:50.479 --> 00:04:59.520 actually starts but you can see this one's changing bottom one's not two 00:04:56.320 --> 00:05:01.520 this one starts to change three 00:04:59.520 --> 00:05:06.320 and somehow they're all done on the OLED that is incredible next we took it up a 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:12.880 notch and ran our high speed camera at 3 000 frames per second one two three 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:17.199 four five six wow 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:22.560 while it does take anywhere from like two to three milliseconds 00:05:19.520 --> 00:05:25.680 what's cool about it is that it's still 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:27.919 really clean the bulk of the transition 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:32.880 actually happens over like less than a millisecond 00:05:29.919 --> 00:05:35.199 that is really incredible okay so 00:05:34.320 --> 00:05:39.120 one two it's mostly done 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:44.160 three four it cleans up the edges back here 00:05:41.840 --> 00:05:49.440 that's it we can even see the difference between the display refreshing here and 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:53.039 here at this speed we can see these dots come in before the ufo starts to move 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:55.280 one two 00:05:55.440 --> 00:06:02.960 three twenty so that's closer to like six milliseconds by the time i would say 00:06:00.479 --> 00:06:08.240 the image is pretty much transitioned so what's crazy is on the lcd you actually 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:12.880 have a period of time where you're seeing a full double image 00:06:11.039 --> 00:06:17.600 that's longer than the period of time the OLED takes to completely switch the 00:06:15.039 --> 00:06:21.199 pixels no wonder we wanted oleds on gaming monitors ages ago 00:06:19.840 --> 00:06:25.039 i've been bugging lg about this for years of course that's not to say that 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:31.600 OLED has every advantage when it comes to gaming these days lcd displays can go 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:33.840 up to 240 or even 360 hertz and what we 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:39.280 can see when we look at our 3000 frame per second footage here is that when our 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:44.560 lcd is getting these much more rapid updates the motion actually does appear 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:49.199 smoother even though the image might not be quite as sharp let's step all the way 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:53.280 up to 360 hertz and we can see that the effect is much 00:06:50.960 --> 00:06:56.960 more pronounced that ends up looking smoother overall 00:06:55.680 --> 00:07:00.960 than this and of course there's the elephant in 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:04.240 the room burning now i'm not going to try and scare you 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:08.960 but i'm also not going to try and reassure you there are mitigation 00:07:06.400 --> 00:07:13.680 strategies that panel manufacturers are using for example shifting the pixels 00:07:11.440 --> 00:07:17.039 ever so suddenly running a kind of refresher on the display that helps to 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:20.000 clean it up dimming static objects on the screen 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:24.639 that's something that you can adjust to be more or less aggressive and of course 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:28.479 just not running your display at full brightness that's like half the battle 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:33.520 right there the brighter you run it the faster the pixels will degrade 00:07:31.039 --> 00:07:38.240 but in spite of all that you probably will experience some burn-in under some 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:42.160 use case scenarios so go check out the comprehensive video that artings did on 00:07:40.400 --> 00:07:46.400 the subject where they actually ran a bunch of oleds for like what a year 00:07:44.400 --> 00:07:50.560 something like that to see how it affected them then you can make your own 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:54.879 decision of course pixel response times are just one part of a smooth and 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:59.840 responsive gaming experience equally or maybe even more important is 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:05.199 the input lag of the display so that's how long it takes to receive the signal 00:08:02.479 --> 00:08:10.720 from your pc or console or whatever else and actually output it to the panel and 00:08:07.919 --> 00:08:15.120 for years tvs had very poor input lag compared to monitors how does this one 00:08:12.479 --> 00:08:18.800 stack up actually great basically it's imperceptible to me and what helps is 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:21.680 that it has an auto low latency mode that detects when it's 00:08:22.960 --> 00:08:30.160 it feels great and it's aided by its auto low latency mode an HDMI 2.1 00:08:28.080 --> 00:08:36.000 feature that detects when a gaming source like an xbox or a pc is connected 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:40.800 and flips it over to low latency mode of course that raises the question why 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:45.120 did tvs have bad input lag in the first place wouldn't they want it to be good 00:08:42.959 --> 00:08:49.200 well it's because tvs do far more processing on the image than the typical 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:53.200 monitor would and that's because tv manufacturers were more concerned with 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:59.360 the cinematic experience than the gaming one and we did notice that flipped into 00:08:56.640 --> 00:09:03.920 any display mode other than game mode yeah it ain't as good 00:09:01.680 --> 00:09:07.920 it's a little mushier feeling for sure another benefit of an OLED tv compared 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:11.920 to an lcd monitor is that you can make certain assumptions about how HDR will 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:16.640 be implemented and how good the experience will be with an lcd you 00:09:14.160 --> 00:09:21.000 pretty much have to have multiple backlight zones in order to achieve 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:29.920 with an lcd you pretty much have to have multiple backlighting zones in order to 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:35.040 achieve a convincing HDR effect so with an OLED well at 4k anyway it's kind of 00:09:32.560 --> 00:09:39.279 like having 12 million backlighting zones of course first and 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:42.560 third person games aren't the only ones that can benefit from a large immersive 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:46.880 display rts players are able to take advantage 00:09:45.040 --> 00:09:51.920 of being able to see much more of the map at one time assuming of course that 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:55.279 the game developer properly implements higher zoom levels 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:59.279 and that you've got a pc that can handle that and of course that you don't mind 00:09:57.680 --> 00:10:04.000 actually physically turning your head in order to see the ui elements 00:10:01.680 --> 00:10:06.880 so okay the ergonomics of a solution like this 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:11.440 they're not perfect but at least they're making progress i 00:10:08.880 --> 00:10:15.519 mean one thing that really stands out as in need of improvement for this one is 00:10:13.680 --> 00:10:19.519 lg's kind of like buttock hump that they've got coming off 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:23.519 of the back of the tv lg's buttercup back here is actually the reason that 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:27.600 even though my desk is deep enough i had to sit closer to the tv in order to 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:31.440 reach my keyboard and mouse than the retina distance i o is another thing tvs 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:36.480 have traditionally done better than monitors we've got four HDMI ports all 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:42.240 of which just have a look here yep support 4k at up to 120 hertz and even 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:48.000 though there was that whole scandal with lg c9s supporting 48 00:10:45.680 --> 00:10:51.920 gigabit per second HDMI and the c10s dropping that to 40. it looks like the 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:57.600 bug that they had where there was chroma sub sampling at 4k 120 on these c10s has 00:10:55.519 --> 00:11:04.160 been dealt with in a patch and you're able to get 444 so that's HDR 10 bit at 00:11:01.680 --> 00:11:08.480 120 hertz 4k now that means that if you wanted to hook up a next-gen console as 00:11:06.079 --> 00:11:14.160 well as your pc you'd be able to enjoy the full 4k 120 hertz experience that 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:16.720 you'll be able to get in select titles make sure you get subscribed so you 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:21.920 don't miss our video where we're going to be checking out next gen xbox series 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:25.920 games on the lg c10 the last question to answer then assuming that you don't mind 00:11:23.839 --> 00:11:30.560 the ergonomic challenges of having a tv on your desk or mounted to the wall 00:11:27.680 --> 00:11:34.720 behind it is one of value at around fifteen hundred us dollars it's priced 00:11:32.640 --> 00:11:38.959 right up there with the top tier ultra wide and large format gaming displays 00:11:36.959 --> 00:11:43.040 and it does have some inconveniences compared to a traditional monitor one 00:11:40.959 --> 00:11:48.720 being that game mode just plain ain't as color accurate as 00:11:46.560 --> 00:11:52.959 filmmaker mode even here on the same display so if you wanted to use it for 00:11:50.959 --> 00:11:58.399 something other than gaming like say for example photo or video editing you'd 00:11:55.600 --> 00:12:02.560 have to choose between a more responsive experience with your mouse not kind of 00:12:00.640 --> 00:12:06.959 feeling like it's floating around behind your ARM actions 00:12:04.160 --> 00:12:11.839 or having color accuracy the only question left for me to answer then is 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:16.000 do i swap out the 38-inch ultra wide that's on my desk now with one of these 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:20.720 i've heard the argument made that you could just take a regular 16x9 format 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:25.279 display and if you want the ultrawide experience well just set a custom 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:29.680 resolution and have black bars at the top on the bottom why not and especially 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:35.600 with an OLED you don't get that annoying glow that you would with an lcd so 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:41.839 that use case actually kind of sounds viable and the pricing is actually 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:45.040 better than the monitor 00:12:41.839 --> 00:12:47.680 i'm gonna have to think about it 00:12:45.040 --> 00:12:52.160 the ubc acts as a physical two-factor authentication device for hundreds of 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:57.760 services like gmail youtube twitter dropbox password managers and many more 00:12:55.200 --> 00:13:02.399 to help you protect your online accounts there's no copying and pasting one-time 00:12:59.920 --> 00:13:06.560 codes it's just a touch or tap on the key and that's all that's needed to log 00:13:04.639 --> 00:13:09.839 in it comes in many different form factors so you can select the key that 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:13.040 works best for you having a second key allows you to have a 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:16.880 backup method in 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