WEBVTT 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:08.000 thanks to overlord from our forum i have got my hands on a really unique piece of 00:00:05.359 --> 00:00:13.320 computing history here this is the Intel xtreme series d 00:00:10.040 --> 00:00:16.960 5400 xs a 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:18.480 650 dollar motherboard that didn't work 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:27.680 without two 1500 cpus and anywhere from 250 to 500 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:31.439 worth of special memory not 100 sure what the pricing was like information 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:36.160 going back that far is a little scarce because all that pricing that i just fed 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:40.239 you guys is based on information that i could find from two 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:45.440 thousand eight yes my friends this right here was the 00:00:43.120 --> 00:00:50.800 heart of a system that once you account for graphics cards power supplies case 00:00:47.680 --> 00:00:54.160 drives cooling could easily cost you 00:00:50.800 --> 00:00:56.239 five to seven thousand dollars for a 00:00:54.160 --> 00:01:01.440 finished tower right up there with the most expensive enthusiast systems today 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:08.479 now at the time one of the main criticisms of the school drill platform 00:01:04.720 --> 00:01:10.479 was its high price to performance ratio 00:01:08.479 --> 00:01:15.439 especially because at the time well it was hard to find applications that 00:01:12.240 --> 00:01:18.320 scaled beyond two cores but how has it 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:21.439 aged there's only one way for us to find out 00:01:19.520 --> 00:01:26.080 by sitting through this segway to our sponsor glasswire with glasswire you can 00:01:23.759 --> 00:01:29.280 see what's going in and out of your pc when you're connected to the internet so 00:01:27.759 --> 00:01:34.000 use glasswire to see if there are any suspicious apps that are behaving badly 00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:39.410 on your pc offer code Linus gets you 25 off at the link below 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:51.360 this thing is in absolutely incredible condition like even all the original 00:01:49.119 --> 00:01:54.880 documentation and accessories and stuff are in here here's a copy of ghost recon 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:58.560 advanced warfighter 2 if you're into that it's even got the door hanger 00:01:56.960 --> 00:02:01.680 fraggers only noobs beware you'll be pwned 00:02:00.320 --> 00:02:05.520 motherfraggers put that on my door 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:11.840 now the first thing that jumps out about the board itself is of course its 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:14.400 massive size so eatx motherboards like 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:18.480 this were extremely uncommon outside of the server space at that time but 00:02:16.640 --> 00:02:23.040 it's not like it wasn't this big for good reason it was absolutely packed 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:29.040 with cutting-edge features for that era so it uses the lga 771 00:02:26.879 --> 00:02:35.920 socket or rather i should say two of them which supports xeons but also the 00:02:32.239 --> 00:02:39.760 unlocked and overclockable extreme 00:02:35.920 --> 00:02:42.560 edition qx 9775 00:02:39.760 --> 00:02:47.440 now the xeon platform was chosen for one main reason the consumer chips had a 00:02:45.040 --> 00:02:54.080 different pin out that didn't support multiple sockets and the goal here was 00:02:50.239 --> 00:02:56.879 to create an eight core platform several 00:02:54.080 --> 00:03:03.599 years before AMD would release their first consumer eight core CPU and six 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:04.640 years before Intel would release its own 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:11.040 so then what we're dealing with here is two of 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:13.800 Intel's 3.2 gigahertz york field extreme 00:03:11.040 --> 00:03:21.040 edition cpus connected over a 1600 megahertz front side bus to a 5000 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:26.319 series chipset which we can find right in the middle here 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:28.400 that right there provides our cpus with 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:34.239 all the connectivity that they need to memory uh expansion slots and all of 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:38.480 your rear i o and all that good stuff now one of the funny things about this 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:42.640 system is how normal it looks like here's your SATA 00:03:40.959 --> 00:03:46.319 ports where your hard drives go here's your pci express slots where your 00:03:44.239 --> 00:03:50.239 graphics card goes there's nothing about it to really 00:03:47.519 --> 00:03:54.159 immediately indicate that it is 11 years old unless you start to look a little 00:03:51.840 --> 00:04:00.959 bit closer let's talk about the memory these are really special so they use 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:04.959 commodity ddr2 dram chips but they're 00:04:00.959 --> 00:04:08.000 actually not intercompatible with ddr2 00:04:04.959 --> 00:04:10.400 these are called fully buffered dimms or 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:16.000 fb dimms so one of the big challenges of pushing memory speeds and capacities up 00:04:13.760 --> 00:04:20.720 is the complexity of designing the traces between the memory and the 00:04:18.479 --> 00:04:24.880 controller so in this case that's on the north bridge but in a modern system that 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:30.320 memory controller would be on the CPU itself now one of the ways to reduce 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:33.280 trace complexity and reduce load on a 00:04:30.320 --> 00:04:36.800 memory controller is to move to a serial bus 00:04:34.080 --> 00:04:40.479 rather than a parallel one so in simple terms they decided that 00:04:38.960 --> 00:04:45.919 instead of having the controller communicate directly with the memory 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:51.440 chips on the module they put a chip called an advanced memory buffer onto 00:04:49.440 --> 00:04:57.680 every module that would act as a go-between buffering all the read and 00:04:54.639 --> 00:05:00.560 write requests now this extra chip here 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:05.919 is not to be confused with the extra dram chip on ecc memory that's used in 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:12.000 modern workstations and servers for error correction now the AMD came with a 00:05:08.479 --> 00:05:14.080 penalty to both write speed and to 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:19.520 latency because of the additional communication step but at the time Intel 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:25.440 thought that this trade-off would end up being worth it for the future 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:28.160 improvements in capacity that 00:05:25.440 --> 00:05:32.320 never actually materialized by the next generation Intel ended up following 00:05:30.080 --> 00:05:37.680 AMD's lead moving the memory controller onto the CPU and they ended up setting 00:05:35.039 --> 00:05:42.800 the stage for the ultimately successful plan to increase memory slot counts 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:45.919 which was adding more memory channels to 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:48.080 the CPU itself 00:05:45.919 --> 00:05:52.080 okay so one of my challenges getting this thing up and running was actually 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:57.039 finding some coolers that had mounting hardware for such an old socket uh 00:05:54.960 --> 00:06:01.600 fortunately i happened to cross a couple of these old uh gemin2's 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:05.280 these things are kind of jokes to mount but uh i didn't really have a choice 00:06:03.440 --> 00:06:08.400 they were the only non-water cooling things that were still compatible in our 00:06:07.039 --> 00:06:12.800 warehouse and i didn't feel like bringing water cooling up to it 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:17.840 this time there is just something about a dual 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:22.400 socket system that just gets my inner geek going you know 00:06:21.039 --> 00:06:26.319 before we boot it up there's a couple more things i want to appreciate one is 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:31.600 the onboard power and reset switches that was pretty cutting edge for the 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:33.840 time even if the i o hasn't aged so well 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:38.240 usb 2 and esata 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:42.639 i guess one for three ain't bad for standards that were going to still exist 00:06:40.080 --> 00:06:47.759 10 years later and this is really unique so you've got your four pci express 16x 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:55.360 slots here but at the time no chipset could actually directly run 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:57.919 four pci express 16x slots so how did 00:06:55.360 --> 00:07:02.560 they do it so check this out Intel's southbridge 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:08.639 needed some kind of a solution to increase the number of pci express slots 00:07:05.440 --> 00:07:11.520 and what they used was actually two 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:17.440 NVIDIA pci express switches which would each take 16 lanes 00:07:14.880 --> 00:07:24.240 and split them out into two slots with 16 lanes each so what this meant was 00:07:21.039 --> 00:07:27.199 from NVIDIA's driver's perspective 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:31.759 all of the gpus in the system were actually connected to an NVIDIA chipset 00:07:30.080 --> 00:07:36.400 meaning that Intel didn't have to resolve the licensing dispute in order 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:40.479 to support sli on this particular motherboard even if none of their others 00:07:38.479 --> 00:07:44.639 could do it well some of these holes line up good enough 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:48.400 power connectivity is almost identical to a modern board we're just going to 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:54.319 run a regular old SATA SSD off it okay backwards 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:59.680 compatibility and then uh theoretically i can just throw my titan x test bench 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:01.039 card on here and it should just fire up 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:06.479 okay and one and two and 00:08:06.479 --> 00:08:14.960 good luck everybody and we're up hey hard drives detect uh 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:14.960 SSD rather excuse me old habits 00:08:23.440 --> 00:08:30.560 so that was painless just fired up a drive i already had set up and bippity 00:08:28.080 --> 00:08:35.680 boppity no no drivers required or anything that's it modern Windows 10. 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:40.479 now this is cool one fun thing about this generation of hardware is that 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:44.080 because the CPU bones connected to the northbridge bone is connected to the 00:08:42.800 --> 00:08:50.560 memory bone we don't have to deal with the performance penalty where modern dual 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:55.360 socket systems can experience worse performance when this CPU needs 00:08:53.440 --> 00:09:01.680 something from the memory that's directly attached to this one causing an 00:08:58.640 --> 00:09:04.560 extra communication hop so you can 00:09:01.680 --> 00:09:09.920 actually see here all of our cores show up as a single pneuma node which should 00:09:07.040 --> 00:09:15.519 allow basically any workload to scale well across all eight of our course i 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:20.399 mean except for the fact that we have a north bridge so there's just like always 00:09:18.560 --> 00:09:26.080 an extra hop i mean with that said overall system 00:09:22.880 --> 00:09:28.560 responsiveness here is super usable like 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:33.760 with an SSD drive in here i would have no reason to think unless i opened up 00:09:30.959 --> 00:09:38.080 task manager that i'm looking at a super old computer here like 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:42.560 everything just kind of works so while it's definitely not modern 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:47.839 there are some really good things about this setup like this is about as far 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:52.399 back as you can go while still maintaining 00:09:50.160 --> 00:09:58.800 most of the modern creature comforts like pci express even gen 1 means that 00:09:56.240 --> 00:10:03.360 we can add high speed connectivity to this system you want 10 gig networking 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:08.240 which i just installed boom an add-in card and you're ready to 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:11.200 go you want usb 3 boom another add-in 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:15.680 card you're ready to go like pci the older generation which by the way does 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:22.079 also have a couple pci slots in there capped out at 133 megabytes a second and 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:28.000 that was a shared bus so multiple cards plugged into multiple slots 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:29.680 all had to share that limit pci express 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:34.560 even the first generation version featured here could handle up to four 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:38.320 gigabytes per second on a slot like this one okay so it occurs to me that we're 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:43.440 going to be limited by our SATA one drive but i'm copying a file over the 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:47.040 network here and we are out of disk space one moment 00:10:44.880 --> 00:10:51.760 please at any rate we should still be able to tell if we're getting an actual 00:10:49.920 --> 00:10:57.360 10 gig connection to our server here it should exceed 112 megabytes a second and 00:10:54.480 --> 00:11:01.200 boom there it is 183 megabytes a second which is well shy of 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:04.959 10 gig but certainly more than one what's our CPU usage look like doing 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:08.959 that so let's come up with some more 00:11:06.160 --> 00:11:17.519 realistic workloads then i mean what about 4k youtube remember guys this is 2 00:11:12.839 --> 00:11:18.880 000. holy sh this was in 2008 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:23.600 yup remember when youtube looked like this 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:29.360 4k youtube was just a twinkle in the engineer's eye 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:35.040 when this system was released so let's see if it can handle it 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:40.240 there it is ladies and gentlemen 4k youtube playback 00:11:38.160 --> 00:11:45.680 butter smooth what does that cost us in terms of CPU 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:51.279 usage though actually that's not even that bad we're sitting at around 20 CPU 00:11:48.959 --> 00:11:57.600 now i'm not saying to get too excited about this because 20 CPU on this system 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:58.600 is about oh it just spiked to 300 watts 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:03.600 but about 250 watts from the wall which 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:10.399 considering that a modern smartphone can also playback 4k youtube in 00:12:06.560 --> 00:12:11.839 the single digit watts is uh 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:17.200 well it shows you that we've definitely come a long way in the last 10 years as 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:21.680 for multitasking while even just trying to browse the web in the foreground 00:12:19.920 --> 00:12:28.320 while our 4k video plays in the background we're going to see spikes in 00:12:24.160 --> 00:12:30.079 CPU activity up in the range of 60 to 70 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:34.160 or even 80 depending on how heavy the pages we're 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:40.079 trying to load are so you can actually see each page load here as it's coming 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:47.680 in oh wow loading a big google sheet actually got us up to 75 CPU usage but 00:12:45.040 --> 00:12:51.519 our video is still playing back smoothly we can scrub around like all the 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:55.680 features work exactly like you would expect them to 00:12:53.839 --> 00:12:59.680 now to see how well it's aged in terms of productivity 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:03.440 let's fire up uh photoshop creative cloud ed you want to try and do 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:09.040 something on this let me know let me know if it's any good all righty here's 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:10.480 some coil line it's working there 00:13:09.040 --> 00:13:14.480 is that a reasonable amount of time to open this up real quick yeah maybe close 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:18.160 task manager in the background oh wow we're at 100 CPU what are you trying to 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:22.160 do i'm just duplicating that layer and it's 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:24.639 a flat layer wow you can actually hear the fans ramp 00:13:23.920 --> 00:13:29.920 up oh wow oh there you go i just needed to catch 00:13:27.760 --> 00:13:34.079 up now i kind of wonder if a big part of 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:37.600 our problem could be that we've only got eight gigs of memory 00:13:35.760 --> 00:13:40.720 oh so we're only letting photoshop have up to five 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:45.680 point something gigs that's not the worst thing ever actually 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:51.760 it's not great i mean your workstation doesn't perform like this does it no but 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:55.839 i mean this is 10 years old yeah this looks pretty unusable to me 00:13:53.760 --> 00:13:59.199 i mean resolutions have gone up since then so 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:03.600 it's just loading loading things for days all 00:14:02.160 --> 00:14:07.199 right thanks ed are we even going to be able to close photoshop 00:14:05.680 --> 00:14:11.279 now i was kind of hoping that the photoshop test would go okay so that 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:14.160 there would be some suspense when i fire up adobe premiere 00:14:12.959 --> 00:14:18.800 but um all signs point to this just being a 00:14:16.079 --> 00:14:22.880 blood blood blath a blood laugh is that worse than a bloodbath it's much worse 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:25.279 give it a second it's just it's popping in it's popping in popping fresh you 00:14:24.560 --> 00:14:30.639 know got that fresh content 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:35.279 all right that's it all media loaded let's see what kind of performance we 00:14:33.920 --> 00:14:41.279 can get here woof 00:14:37.199 --> 00:14:42.240 now in fairness this is 8k footage 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:46.720 um and we're trying to play it at half res 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:51.839 quarter res oh nope 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:55.040 that's ugly let's try one eighth okay maybe one 00:14:56.839 --> 00:15:04.560 sixteenth okay so it's not completely unusable but only at 1 16 quality you 00:15:03.040 --> 00:15:08.639 can see now at least my scrubbing performance is quite a bit better than 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:12.639 it was i can move around on the timeline and actually get a preview in a 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:16.079 reasonable amount of time here so this is grayed out but that game 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:20.639 definitely launched this is some strange behavior 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:25.600 oh yeah we're trying to game now theoretically the higher resolution you 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:30.000 go the more likely you are to be bottlenecked by your graphics card 00:15:28.079 --> 00:15:36.399 rather than your CPU so i'm going to try and run ano 1800 00:15:34.079 --> 00:15:42.079 at 4k resolution now the menu is at 60fps that's 00:15:39.199 --> 00:15:46.320 not a bad sign shut up david there we go 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:52.240 and no that spectacular menu performance did 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:56.320 not translate to in-game so this card 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:58.240 should be good for 45 to 50 frames per 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:02.079 second at these settings somewhere in that range this is clearly 00:16:00.560 --> 00:16:06.000 not that now what's kind of cool is you can 00:16:03.680 --> 00:16:10.240 really see g-sync in action when you zoom in and you manage to get like a 00:16:08.079 --> 00:16:15.440 decent frame rate so we're up to around 30 but it doesn't manage to 00:16:13.199 --> 00:16:19.440 account for like panning and also the game just crashed 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:26.639 g-sync cannot help you with that wow this is one spectacular game crash 00:16:22.959 --> 00:16:28.320 like i can't even get task manager up 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:31.839 sign out that'll do it see this is the thing that 00:16:30.160 --> 00:16:37.360 kills me about Windows they can't code an actual no end the 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:41.600 task but if you sign out oh yeah you want to end the task no problem okay so 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:46.720 in fairness to our system here i did choose anno knowing that it's a 00:16:43.199 --> 00:16:48.000 particularly CPU heavy game so 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:55.680 why don't we try something a little bit more fair this here eventually is going to be 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:57.440 rocket league again 4k 00:16:55.680 --> 00:17:01.440 high quality with motion blur off 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:05.199 and actually this is quite playable 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:09.520 i mean i still suck at this game or whatever but the good news is that we're 00:17:07.439 --> 00:17:16.160 running it anywhere from about 50 to 65 frames per second 00:17:13.199 --> 00:17:19.919 it actually plays pretty darn nice especially again like i said with g-sync 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:25.439 a feature that they couldn't possibly have imagined existing back when they were creating 00:17:23.120 --> 00:17:31.360 this motherboard and CPU combo thing is guys my secret plan all along 00:17:29.760 --> 00:17:35.600 was actually to outfit this thing with 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:43.200 2500 worth of modern gaming horsepower that's 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:44.080 right i wanted to run two rtx 2080 tis 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:48.640 on it in sli now 00:17:47.120 --> 00:17:52.960 the thing is though it's going to take some time to get sli working because 00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:58.880 there are actually issues with Windows 10's driver support for those NVIDIA pci 00:17:55.919 --> 00:18:02.160 express bridges that we need oh crap i just realized i forgot to plug the 00:18:00.080 --> 00:18:06.080 chipset fan back in that's hot 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:10.160 all right so anyway that's going to take some work also 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:14.240 some of the things we've tried so far have been pretty slow we're running into 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:18.080 obvious CPU bottlenecks maybe overclocking is the solution 00:18:16.080 --> 00:18:22.799 well that's going to take some time as well another thing 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:28.400 eight gigs of RAM is obviously a problem for productivity but it may even be a 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:32.720 problem for gaming for us at this point Intel only ever validated this 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:37.520 motherboard for eight gigs of RAM four by two gigs so i'm just gonna have to 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:40.960 source some four gig fully buffered dimms 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:44.720 and just see what happens also i think there's some software 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:49.280 optimization that we can do so game launchers it's gotten to the point where 00:18:46.320 --> 00:18:53.679 you need two three four maybe even more of those running on your system and on a 00:18:51.280 --> 00:18:57.120 modern system something like the uplay launcher is a negligible amount of 00:18:55.360 --> 00:19:01.120 system overhead not enough to affect performance unless you're running like 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:04.559 comparative benchmarks or something but on a system like this 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:07.760 having you play in the background look at this just launching it 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