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yeah yeah nanometers aren't an accurate measure of anything i know

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but this process is old and this has huge performance implications which will

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test on the core i9 11900k and core i5

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11600k that we have here today to do that we've grabbed the equivalent 10th

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gen core processors along with the ryzen 5 5600x and ryzen 9 5900x for comparison

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with team red special note we're running both benches at one-to-one memory more

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on that later and we're running these tests under completely stock turbo

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limits shadow of the tomb raider is the core i9's first l at a roughly eight

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percent lower average FPS than ryzen 9 while the core i5 sees significantly

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better minimum frame rates than ryzen 5. gta 5 has the core i9 pulling ahead of

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the 5900x by 5 or more in minimum frames

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while the core i5 again pulls off a 13 or so lead over ryzen 5's minimums f1

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2020's absurd frame rates reveal the generational improvements Intel's

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managed here for the core i5 the core i9

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appears roughly in line with 10th gen thanks to fewer threads and lower base

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clocks fort surprise and 4 has Intel trading blows with AMD with better

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minimums and worse averages on both new cpus while turn times in civilization 6

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are about half a second or so faster on 11th gen flight sim 2020 has both cpus

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ahead of last gen but falling short of AMD and all but the minimum frame rates

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cs go is another bloodbath where AMD's zen 3 architecture firmly curb stomps

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rocket lake perhaps thanks to the gigantic amount of shared cash ryzen

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enjoys although it's worth pointing out that every CPU here is already in

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overkill territory moving on to productivity Intel's single threaded

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cinebench scores are much better than last gen and higher than amds but not by

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a huge amount while puget bench for creative cloud shows that even lightly

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threaded workloads like photoshop can still favor AMD again likely thanks to

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the extra cash it's not a big l though that comes from blender the core i5

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falls behind by 10 in gooseberry while the core i9 because of stock turbo is a

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staggering 40 percent slower than ryzen

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in the same test corona benchmark being much shorter puts the core i5 much

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closer to ryzen 5 and the same goes for v-ray a test that only lasts about a

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minute pov ray has Intel very close to AMD and single threaded performance

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while the core i9 continues to struggle spec's workstation is mostly another

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pain point for Intel but some tests again favoring the 10th gen core i9

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thanks to its additional cores and threads even the core i5 struggles with

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10 to 14 lower aggregate scores than AMD across the life sciences financial

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services and energy segments of the test not looking great so far at least not

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for the core i9 but now we need to talk about power and thermals and we're going

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to talk a lot because if you recall comet lake was better than coffee lake

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for thermals but only because Intel busted out all the tricks of the trade

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to make it happen and now despite having two fewer cores all early reports had

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rocket lake pegged at basically being a flamethrower in addition to the

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performance concerns relative to AMD at stock both our core i9 and core i5

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manage thermals that are reasonable thanks in large part to strictly

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conforming to Intel's rated 125 watt TDP

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once turbo expires they do draw much higher power than last gen to hit their

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peak all-core turbo speeds but in the core i9s case Intel's new adaptive boost

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technology impressively allows the cores to run 300 megahertz higher all core

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than it's rated for this new behavior is similar to AMD's precision boost 2

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opportunistically increasing all core clocks within thermal and power limits

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but Intel's is still constrained by their finite turbo period of 56 seconds

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by default upon disabling this turbo limit using our motherboard's multi-core

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enhancement feature the core i9 draws a staggering 275 watts peak with 260 watts

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sustained from the socket that is nearly double the ryzen 9's power draw and

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around 40 percent more than 10th gens we did get about a 19 faster render time

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than stock but even with our Noctua nhd15s the i9 instantly hits 80 degrees

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and creeps up to the mid-90s throughout the run bizarrely though the core i5

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manages better thermals and power draw with multi-core enhancement compared to

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its own stock turbo thanks to a lower core voltage provided by the motherboard

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these results however were for avx-2 Intel added the avx-512 instruction set

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and machine learning extensions to rocket lake and they're leaning heavily

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on them in marketing we don't have any benchmarks for that right now but we can

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do a quick stress test with prime95 where at stock we've got ok thermals

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again for our core i9 but our core i5 hits the 100 degree mark thanks to a

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higher turbo speed before settling into the mid 60s and 70s power consumption

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roughly matches the non-avx-512 testing and unsurprisingly both cpus dropped

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straight to base clock after the turbo window expired it's when we removed the

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limits again that no no Intel

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are you okay the core i9 can draw over 290 watts at peak the core i5 once again

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draws less power thanks to the motherboard svid control but both cpus

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still run toasty enough that our dual tower cooler can just barely handle it

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we are really at the limits of what Intel's reheated 14 nanometer process

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can do here thankfully you won't have to reheat your drink for up to 8 hours with

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a water bottle from ltdstore.com but even without avx-512 you have to ask

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why is 11th gen so hot with fewer cores

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than last gen aside from abx-512 taking

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up a huge amount of die space it was originally built for 10 nanometers

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that's right Intel had to back port this thing and that's why we got this really

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strange looking product stack no fewer than 10 eight core cpus across core i7

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and core i9 nine six core cpus in the core i5 line and everything else is just

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a comet like refresh no rocket like core i3s or pentiums this time around without

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being able to rely on core counts to cleanly distinguish between skus the

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differences are so minor in practice that they're going to make most people

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think twice about spending an extra 140 dollars for a core i9 when a core i7 is

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almost as good or when AMD is a better performer for the money granted core i9s

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get thermal velocity boost and adaptive boost technology but you can mimic that

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by enabling multi-core enhancement if your motherboard has it or by maxing out

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the power limits manually in Intel xtu if it doesn't all 11th gen core desktop

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cpus that we know about have the same cache per core and the same improved

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graphics core with expanded video decode capabilities on skus that include them

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what's more they all have an extra 4 pci express gen 4 lanes on the CPU now for

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NVMe storage like AMD does it gets subscribed by the way because even

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within the same model not all NVMe ssds are created equal and we're calling out

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the worst offender now there is the issue of gear one mode support tldr it's

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just like running infinity fabric in one to one mode with memory speed on ryzen

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for better performance the cry9 11900k

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and kf are supposed to be the only ones that handle ddr4 3200 memory this way

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but from our testing the core i5 11600k can too it's just not the default and

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it'll go even higher than that it looks like the core i9's main draw will be in

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pre-built pcs that don't expose these options if the core i7 11700k is as

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gamer's next has put it a waste of sand

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the whole core i9 lineup on paper is even worse

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especially the k-sku that's just priced 10 less than ryzen 9. thankfully you

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don't need to buy a high-end motherboard to use faster memory now so that's one

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savings that's no longer exclusive to team red but that doesn't save the core

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i9 in games matching ryzen's performance

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is a best case scenario where even the ryzen 5 at times comes close granted it

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may not make or break your gameplay but the value is just not there for work

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unless you can use avx-512 the extra oomph from ryzen 9's 12 cores means

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Intel is not going to be your first choice this generation in that domain

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either the real star of the show is the core i5 it's only about two to six

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percent slower than the ryzen 5 at stock across our testing but it costs thirty

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dollars less at retail even better for Intel availability troubles means the

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eleven six hundred k is a hundred dollars cheaper than ryzen 5 street

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price making it a no-brainer as long as Intel has the chips to sell bonus if you

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don't overclock you'll lose very little by getting a cheaper non-case skew and

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turning on multi-core enhancement to offset the difference in base clock just

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make sure you get a cooler that can handle it if you're worried about

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upgradability ddr5's impending arrival means both teams sockets have an

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expiration date at this point so you lose nothing either way if you need a

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new CPU today or you lose everything depending on how

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you think about it you know glass half empty half full it might be rough going for Intel for a

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while longer but it looks like things are improving a week ago their ceo pat

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gelsinger announced a renewed focus on fabrication and process technology

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including a seven nanometer tile process that will hopefully power meteor lake to

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generations from now we've heard this kind of promise from Intel before so

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time will tell for now just buy a core i5

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