WEBVTT 00:00:00.199 --> 00:00:08.760 oh my God that's your notes for this video oh no I I have a tiny bit more 00:00:05.520 --> 00:00:12.599 stuff down here the point is we thought 00:00:08.760 --> 00:00:15.160 RTX 490 pretty fast but could it be 00:00:12.599 --> 00:00:21.920 faster good timing for that we're going to be taking this 490 stricks from its 00:00:18.560 --> 00:00:25.039 stock 450 WS of power consumption all 00:00:21.920 --> 00:00:26.679 the way to 1,000 Watts then we're going 00:00:25.039 --> 00:00:33.320 to be adding external voltage modification and chilled water cooling 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:38.440 thanks to our thermoflex 5000 to see 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:41.840 just how far this baby can fly fly like 00:00:38.440 --> 00:00:43.760 this fly segue to our sponsor Corsair 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:47.840 looking for a thin highquality and portable keyboard well then look at this 00:00:45.800 --> 00:00:52.480 Corsair's latest keyboard the wireless K100 air it's got hyper 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though because one this cooler is totally overbuilt this card survived at 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:40.360 80° in a thermal chamber it's frosting over already Al off and two by the time 00:01:39.360 --> 00:01:44.799 we're done we're going to be running this Quantum Vector Square GPU block on 00:01:42.520 --> 00:01:49.640 it our main focus today then is how to overcome the other two the voltage limit 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:53.840 and current limit for voltage control we're going to be using this cool little 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:57.600 doohickey from Elmore Labs it used to be that through software you could just 00:01:55.479 --> 00:02:01.840 adjust the voltage on your GPU but then NVIDIA went 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:06.159 I'm pretty sure that's exactly the email they sent out and made their Partners 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:10.399 lock down voltage control thankfully with a relatively simple soldering job 00:02:07.960 --> 00:02:14.840 and a USBC connection to this board that functionality can be restored as for 00:02:12.959 --> 00:02:18.480 current we were planning to do a shunt mod again like we did with the 3090 00:02:16.640 --> 00:02:23.920 where we trick the onboard controller into thinking that it's putting out half 00:02:20.760 --> 00:02:26.760 as much power as it actually is but this 00:02:23.920 --> 00:02:30.640 time thanks to NVIDIA's control freak nature it turns out we don't even have 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:36.480 to floating around the internet are modded 1,000 watt bioses for the RTX 490 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:41.200 whether these came from enterprising users or were leaked for manufacturers 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:45.120 we have no way of knowing but we do know that at some point in the development 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:49.879 process the 490 was intended to be a much more power hungry card so we kind 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:53.720 of suspect the former and as it turns out you don't even necessarily need to 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:58.840 have a matching card to flash these bioses users have reported taking a 00:02:56.239 --> 00:03:05.120 mismatch BIOS flashing it to their card and it firing right up so thanks NVIDIA 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:07.319 for making all 490s the same I guess 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:11.319 convenient couple terrifying things about this BIOS first of all it removes 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:15.920 temperature protections which is really yeah absolutely terrifying we can just 00:03:13.760 --> 00:03:21.000 super easy to cook it yeah and then G will come over here murder us yeah and 00:03:18.640 --> 00:03:25.879 for another obviously it removes the current protection which exists for a 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:28.840 reason so a our power connector to the 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:34.280 board is only rated for 600 watts not 1,000 - 7 00:03:30.760 --> 00:03:38.080 925 watts and for another the vrms on 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:40.959 this board are a not designed to have 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:44.120 1,000 Watts going through them and B I don't even know if they're going to be 00:03:42.040 --> 00:03:48.680 cooled by the block cuz this is also not designed with 1,000 watts in mind it's 00:03:46.760 --> 00:03:52.120 probably fine it's probably fine before we do any of that though we need to 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:56.159 establish our Baseline performance so that we know if anything we're doing is 00:03:53.640 --> 00:04:01.439 even helping this is our results for f122 what is interesting is we can see 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:06.280 that the performance cap reason is just voltage regulation that is what's 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:11.280 holding us back okay and our maximum 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:13.159 draw was somewhere around 390 yeah 390 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:17.639 Watts that's a lot of Watts we could do better though that isn't the only number 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:22.560 we need though there is some Performance Tuning that we can do without getting 00:04:19.440 --> 00:04:25.120 super sketchy by firing up GPU twerk 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:30.720 really oh tweak that makes more sense by firing up GPU tweak 3 my vision's going 00:04:27.919 --> 00:04:34.759 we can adjust our power Target turn down in some cases our GPU voltage no we just 00:04:32.400 --> 00:04:38.680 crank it really it has no down by adjusting our power Target our GPU 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:42.360 voltage our boost clock and maybe we'll throw a bit of a memory overclock on it 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:45.919 sure we should be able to eek out a little bit more performance in a way we 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:51.280 would actually recommend replicating at home our power Target is now 120 that's 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:55.880 as high as it'll let us go plus 200 on the core Plus 900 on the memory I think 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:59.080 it'll be fine the hot spot is the one we're particularly going to want to keep 00:04:57.280 --> 00:05:02.639 a close eye on because that's the one that especially with so much power 00:05:00.960 --> 00:05:06.360 running through it is going to spike extremely quickly in the absence of 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:09.960 adequate cooling I mean it seems to be still working yeah just let it let it do 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:15.199 this thing I mean we can tell that the hot spot is the hotter one way to go yep 00:05:12.440 --> 00:05:21.560 it's very not happy yeah we we clearly do need more voltage yep should we just 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:26.400 send it maybe it was our core clock we'll 00:05:24.039 --> 00:05:31.120 adjust both at the same time okay here we go holy crap yeah it's nearly running 00:05:29.039 --> 00:05:35.800 at 3 GHz that's pretty fast okay what are we limited by voltage voltage okay 00:05:34.280 --> 00:05:41.080 if we want to get more clock speed then we're going to need more 00:05:38.400 --> 00:05:47.520 voltage oh one second okay well I guess that test isn't valid anymore I was just 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:48.759 going to see okay 100% it apply sure wow 00:05:47.520 --> 00:05:52.720 that actually worked uh now we're drawing 430 Watts okay and the GPU 00:05:51.479 --> 00:05:58.280 clock's higher that was easy based on the 00:05:55.080 --> 00:06:00.639 scaling we're seeing here man we might 00:05:58.280 --> 00:06:04.759 be able to go quite a bit higher maybe or the card will just blow up for 00:06:02.880 --> 00:06:10.039 just taking some sliders and going like that we went from we just got 12% more 00:06:07.880 --> 00:06:15.759 performance yeah and like our minimums went up by a lot that's awesome yeah 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:20.520 overclocking who knew let's go faster before we volt mod this 490 we need to 00:06:18.080 --> 00:06:25.520 make sure that we're actually modifying the voltages and not just some number on 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:29.880 the screen is changing to do that we need to be able to probe this card now I 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:33.919 don't know exactly where we can find core and memory voltages but I think 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:37.919 there are some headers right here and if we just solder a couple wires to those 00:06:36.400 --> 00:06:42.199 we are good let's find out what these actually 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:46.360 do what we're really concerned about here is the core voltage it is just at 00:06:44.080 --> 00:06:52.199 idle so it is currently 0.885 volts that's what we're looking 00:06:48.880 --> 00:06:53.919 for 0.89 that's probably it I don't know 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:58.479 if you've watched previous attempts of Alex and I to try and sold the reg 00:06:55.599 --> 00:07:06.599 graphic card um they usually don't go too well ah it's such a bad SW IR dude 00:07:02.960 --> 00:07:07.479 it's on I'm not joking why is it so crap 00:07:06.599 --> 00:07:13.800 pretty terrible what are you going to do with those wires I think I was s of them right there oh okay yeah uh all right 00:07:12.599 --> 00:07:22.039 that's probably fine and then like what are you going to use to measure that uh and aamus oh 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:24.960 no yeah no one's getting lead poisoning 00:07:22.039 --> 00:07:28.840 today so I'm just going to hold it there for a while it's the small things in 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:36.319 life you got to like man okay I think we're done uh sure there you 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:40.039 go so there's hot glue on it oh yeah 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:41.919 strain relief and so it's safe the best 00:07:40.039 --> 00:07:47.360 part is we didn't quite do it right so to look at the voltage you uh you need 00:07:44.520 --> 00:07:55.159 to probe one of these guys to get ground but uh there it is uh 89 volts is 00:07:52.159 --> 00:07:57.039 what we're drawing at idol so uhhuh we 00:07:55.159 --> 00:07:59.720 now know that it works pretty good and you're just going to drag that all over 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:04.120 the back of the card like that kind of what I was thinking yeah we'll see if we can get to any traces and short it out 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:10.599 and kill it you were moving I can hold this it 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:12.039 took a while but the evc2 is working 00:08:10.599 --> 00:08:16.680 it's the sort of thing where like you know when you get something off GitHub and you have to like you install a 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:20.759 software and the drivers but for the drivers to work you need a specific 00:08:18.520 --> 00:08:24.000 version of java which requires Visual and all of that stuff it took me a 00:08:22.159 --> 00:08:28.240 couple hours but it's working yeah when he told me that he needed about half an 00:08:26.159 --> 00:08:35.519 hour I told the guys over there no less than an hour mhm it has now been four 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:39.240 yes oh my God it's not even bolted to 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:42.320 the Alex yeah you've only got four 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:44.039 screws in it we can add more if you want 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:54.000 but then we have to add the black plate ah it's fine it's fine H oh the system 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:55.640 works okay wonderful we're at 089 so 00:08:54.000 --> 00:09:03.320 this right here is telling you everything that's happening with the voltage controller at the moment yeah 00:08:59.959 --> 00:09:07.320 1.05 yeah yeah 1.0 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:10.680 is how accurate is this uh multimeter do 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:13.800 I trust this or that you sort of don't 00:09:10.680 --> 00:09:17.839 trust either of them sick basically what 00:09:13.800 --> 00:09:20.320 we're doing here so 06 whatever you can 00:09:17.839 --> 00:09:27.519 see here like before we are voltage limited so you can go in here via offset 00:09:24.880 --> 00:09:32.000 how about 05 yeah sure okay and are we going to see this just waa 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:37.600 W hello you can see the board power draw 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:42.320 right there there we 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:47.320 go that's the sort of speed we're looking for wow oh that's a lot of power 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:53.480 draw over 3 GHz over 500 00:09:50.560 --> 00:09:59.440 watts 81° C and we're still voltage regulated oh 00:09:56.959 --> 00:10:03.880 oh it's a power for a second it did there it is that little tiny green blip 00:10:01.880 --> 00:10:07.760 there I feel like if we give it just like the tiniest bit more voltage power 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:12.440 is going to be our problem hear you loud and clear okay how 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:19.600 about 065 sure now let's see is it going to 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:21.720 get is it even going to impact it midun 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:29.440 yeah see this is weird the power draw goes up but the frequency doesn't we oh 00:10:25.839 --> 00:10:33.079 because we are power limited now yeah 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:35.000 wow we're just shy of 600 watts sir 00:10:33.079 --> 00:10:43.000 should we do a run at 600 WTS and see what we end up with then the GPU chip 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:44.720 alone is drawing over 500 watts that's a 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:50.200 lot of power for one of those little guys it's like unfathomable right like 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:52.959 those damn yeah let's get more power all 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:56.720 right cool to flash your BIOS it's actually pretty easy what you need is 00:10:54.399 --> 00:11:01.040 Envy flash which a little application here you put that in the root of your 00:10:58.839 --> 00:11:05.920 thing hold on can we just set the card back to default before we do that yes 00:11:04.040 --> 00:11:10.600 yeah and I'm going to do that over here too before you update any kind of 00:11:08.839 --> 00:11:15.399 firmware be it on your motherboard or GPU you should return your entire system 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:19.320 to stock settings and ideally you should be on a battery backup if for whatever 00:11:17.680 --> 00:11:25.800 reason the power fails in the middle of a firmware update it might 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:28.519 survive it probably won't see Alex over 00:11:25.800 --> 00:11:33.360 your I've seen things survive with this GPU it's it's a little bit less risky 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:38.519 because we do have two bioses so if we completely bork one of them flip her 00:11:35.839 --> 00:11:41.959 over other one still is probably good before you change your BIOS you want to 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:47.120 just make sure that the one that's on there you have saved so just GPU Z quick 00:11:45.079 --> 00:11:50.680 right there save the file even if you never plan to roll it back if you ever 00:11:48.800 --> 00:11:54.680 needed to ARM your card back to the manufacturer for example you would need 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:58.680 to return it to its stock configuration not that you're ring this once you've 00:11:56.160 --> 00:12:03.240 soldered things to it but if you didn't do that 00:12:00.160 --> 00:12:06.839 now we can have a look at our BIOS wow 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:08.279 wow that's uh that's something yep we're 00:12:06.839 --> 00:12:18.000 in The Matrix now boys oh oh wait um I think I wait stop 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:20.360 oh maybe it's fine now we maybe have the 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:28.639 ability to murder this GPU if we so want now we cook uh I think one 80 is where 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:30.959 it was happy okay firing it up oh this 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:37.360 is scary hold on we can do the math here it's at 00:12:33.839 --> 00:12:41.199 14% of its TDP and the board power is 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:43.000 142 Watts okay okay it thinks it's a 00:12:41.199 --> 00:12:47.639 th000 watt card you know NVIDIA is going to lock this down with the next gen and 00:12:45.199 --> 00:12:53.440 I remember when they were cool we're in kind of scary territory now as far as 00:12:49.560 --> 00:12:57.120 voltage goes okay and we're at 66° and 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:59.880 480 Watts we got a result but it's not 00:12:57.120 --> 00:13:04.120 going to be any faster yeah 145 that's an improvement oh that's a 00:13:01.760 --> 00:13:11.680 sizable Improvement really what were we before we started at 137 oh all right 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:13.199 yeah cool I mean it was a rock solid 00:13:11.680 --> 00:13:19.720 3.03 GHz didn't move are we going to run out 00:13:15.920 --> 00:13:21.160 of GPU twerk slider here I doubt it okay 00:13:19.720 --> 00:13:28.720 was that 210 I'm going to give her another 20 140 00:13:25.560 --> 00:13:29.760 average yeah she's fast but she's not 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:36.880 consuming power how do we keep the card from 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:40.920 kicking in its voltage cap like we're not thermally limited though something 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:46.519 else is the problem it'll probably boost a little higher just being cooler but I 00:13:44.040 --> 00:13:50.519 don't think that's the issue here no all right I figured out what the problem was 00:13:48.680 --> 00:13:56.199 before we were only setting a voltage offset now I've like haveed the offset 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:59.759 but increased the vo command so that seems to have broader voltage to where 00:13:57.959 --> 00:14:04.920 first of all the computers reading a lot more accurate and also I have got some 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:09.000 very high temperatures I turn it down a tiny bit but uh yeah they more 00:14:07.160 --> 00:14:14.800 protections not a thing on this GPU anymore it's absolutely terrifying so uh 00:14:11.839 --> 00:14:20.560 I'll just give this a tiny bit more guess might be fine it might not be fine 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:22.480 I don't know let's see tiny bit faster I 00:14:20.560 --> 00:14:26.360 have to watch the Hotpot temperature very closely cuz if that starts jumping 00:14:24.680 --> 00:14:34.480 up we just need to Al have four and get out of here oh that is fast 30 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:37.120 120 drawing 540 Watts not bad I'm 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:40.839 shocked how well this cooler works FPS is the same but that's about expected I 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:45.519 think we're about at the point though where to go faster we need more cooling 00:14:42.680 --> 00:14:51.120 so water cooling down you you want to hear the most absolutely shocking thing 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:55.880 Andrew yes I have not quite thought 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:55.880 through how this GPU is going to go in 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:08.639 for whatever reason our ground lead here doesn't seem to be working so I have 00:15:05.680 --> 00:15:14.320 this in continuity motor right now beeps touch it to ground does not beep before 00:15:12.199 --> 00:15:17.320 we put this in there I want this to just work and not have to worry about this 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:22.360 lead kind of falling off and ending up somewhere bad kind of like that one right 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:33.839 there all right I think we're all good to put it 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:33.839 in here we 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:40.000 go it's kind of sketchy something like 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:40.000 uh 00:15:41.160 --> 00:15:47.959 that wow this really isn't all that sketchy but it sure is H looks like it I 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:52.000 want to make sure that all of this is working perfectly before I turn the 00:15:49.880 --> 00:15:56.079 system on because if there's air bubbles in here there is currently no 00:15:53.600 --> 00:16:01.800 temperature protection on the GPU so it will actually just kill itself if I'm 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:01.800 not like proper running water through 00:16:03.079 --> 00:16:06.880 it might as well top it 00:16:08.079 --> 00:16:16.199 up okay GPU hotspot 17° we're good heck 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:21.720 yeah one thing that I like to do if you hit Windows control shift 00:16:18.560 --> 00:16:23.199 B like so it resets your video driver 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:28.519 which can be quite helpful when you're crashing a video card a bunch of times 00:16:26.160 --> 00:16:33.959 well I think you did a fine job oh I know look at at the safety 00:16:30.079 --> 00:16:36.199 straps so secure genius I always forget 00:16:33.959 --> 00:16:42.720 about the capabilities of this Chiller she's chilly it's very good at its job 00:16:39.959 --> 00:16:48.319 unfortunately it doesn't really need to because what we've discovered is that 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:51.360 this RTX 490 and for that matter pretty 00:16:48.319 --> 00:16:54.360 much all of them is not thermally 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:57.440 limited in any way and in fact it's not 00:16:54.360 --> 00:17:00.440 even really current limited is it yeah 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:01.920 no we solved the problem where we uh 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:05.959 accidentally were applying a voltage rather than a voltage offset but what we 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:12.679 discovered is that even though we were able to get the power consumption up 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:15.880 like 580 I think is as high as I saw it 00:17:12.679 --> 00:17:17.720 doesn't impact performance anymore yeah 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:23.480 unless of course we were to apply dangerously high voltages but we're 00:17:20.679 --> 00:17:27.400 trying to do this somewhat responsibly I don't know I had pretty dangerous 00:17:24.760 --> 00:17:33.160 voltages there and like it doesn't go faster I guess the conclusion is twofold 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:37.919 then one there's definitely performance to ring out of the RTX 490 if only 00:17:35.840 --> 00:17:43.200 NVIDIA would give us the bloody controls to do it and two they made the right 00:17:40.520 --> 00:17:48.400 call to ship it at 450 Watts given how close the performance is to the 600 wat 00:17:46.600 --> 00:17:52.120 configuration like this right here is probably as fast as it'll go I play with 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:57.720 the memory a little bit you can get it going like 100 mahz faster but at the 00:17:55.679 --> 00:18:01.039 same time I found that the actual scores went down so 00:17:59.360 --> 00:18:05.960 I'm guessing that it was not quite stable you're riding that Razor's Edge 00:18:03.320 --> 00:18:09.960 yeah NVIDIA gpus will pull back clocks for a couple Cycles if they think 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:16.200 they're going to crash and so even though the number will be higher like in 00:18:12.600 --> 00:18:19.360 GPU Z the actual score is lower 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:22.080 so we're ra at the limit at the limit of 00:18:19.360 --> 00:18:26.440 telling you about our sponsor oh first I want to see if we can hit the limit of 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:28.000 our power supply oh God we could give it 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:33.600 a tiny bit more voltage get it up to about 500 80 Watts the CPU even though 00:18:31.919 --> 00:18:37.039 we don't have like the direct die cooler on it we can get a pretty easy like 400 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:41.600 out of thanks to this 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:48.559 guy that's getting pretty close to the 12200 not quite okay let's see how good 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:51.799 of a power supply Corsair makes oh she 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:55.159 get CPU speed has oh wow we're at over 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:58.000 600 watts on the GPU now oh yes what's 00:18:55.159 --> 00:19:03.280 the Hotpot temperature 73 okay that's fine I think 00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:05.480 that's not hot spot hot spot's 95 95 oh 00:19:03.280 --> 00:19:14.039 that's hot Will Smith that is hot how's our CPU 00:19:10.280 --> 00:19:18.600 doing 6 GHz casual 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:20.559 no and the RGB turned off did we call it 00:19:18.600 --> 00:19:23.679 editor please cut out the awkward pause while I was thinking of that just use a 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:26.960 punch in or something if you guys enjoyed this video you might enjoy the 00:19:25.360 --> 00:19:32.159 last time we did this in an even sketchier fashion with a shunt mod 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:38.080 that one Drew like over 12200 WTS didn't it I don't remember I think it could but 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:38.080 I don't know if it did