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intel's 10th generation core i9 processors are launching

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right now so we need to update y'all on the changes to their high-end desktop

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product lineup their massive price cuts and their performance improvements

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but by setting the nda lift to midnight the

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day before amd's intel has forced us to also tackle

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another subject in today's video just how low their cowardly pathetic

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weasley behavior has sunk

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off glasswire at the link below okay back to intel now what could you

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have possibly been thinking

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that we wouldn't catch on that tech reviewers have never seen this [ __ ]

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before that the enthusiasts and gaming communities are just stupid

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gee and tell i wonder why your embargo lift is mere

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hours before everyone knows

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because they announced it publicly that amd will be unveiling their new third

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generation threadripper processors make sure you subscribe by the way so you

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don't miss our video about that could it be maybe because you're just

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so excited to get your hot new hardware in the hands of your valued customers

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or could it be because you know that even after slashing your prices as much

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as 50 on your rehashed hardware you've still

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got nothing and you'll grasp at any

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desperate strategy to avoid any direct

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comparisons against your competitor's product

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i mean the worst part of all of this is that everyone that i have ever met on

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the enthusiast and the gaming teams at intel is a good person one with more

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than enough common sense to know that this was going to backfire [ __ ]

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immediately and what that means to me is that the

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only possible explanation for this is that some bonehead executive with no

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actual clue about the real world and how it works who ignored those good people's

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excellent advice then laid down the law

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and went ahead with this plan to launch first by a matter of hours

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why so that the launch day reviews which tend to get referenced by buyers over

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the entire product life cycle couldn't contain direct comparisons to something

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you were afraid was going to be better you are a weasel and you are a chicken

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you seek to misrepresent the strength of your products to consumers

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weasel and you seek to duck away from a fight rather than take the criticism

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that you know you deserve chicken i hope you get fired because there are

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people with more integrity serving lunch in your cafeteria and maybe they could

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use a raise they certainly wouldn't have handled this any worse than you did

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lttstore.com by the way if you also need a drink

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let's talk about the product now at its core

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intel's new cascade lake x is in fact a

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skylake x refresh same basic core design

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same cache layout same process node same number of cores but there are a number

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of tweaks under the hood the memory controller has gotten a nice bump in

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both max capacity and default speed and we also get an extra 4 pci express lanes

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albeit still running at gen 3 speeds unlike amd's latest cpus which are

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running at gen 4. the turbo frequency on this sku intel

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opted to provide only one chip from their entire new lineup gets a nice bump

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to 4.6 gigahertz and turbo boost max actually boosts it even higher on up to

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four cores now the base clock is the same as last gen though so it's clear

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that they aren't expecting people to run these with an all-core overclock without

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incredible cooling what's truly new this generation is what

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intel is calling deep learning boost which is to say that avx-512 has been

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expanded with the new vector neural network construction extension

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the extremely high level explanation for what this does is it accelerates

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repeated multiplication of numbers that happens to be quite common in

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convolutional neural network processing anyone who's using these types of

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workloads should therefore get a pretty decent performance boost but

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unfortunately um that is currently a little bit out of our wheelhouse to

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verify all right and there's also some mystery

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mitigations for intel's latest round of security vulnerabilities the price drops

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those look pretty good at least against intel's own lineup we are now getting 18

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cores for what used to be the price of just 10.

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but amd's recently launched ryzen 9 3950x16 core for 750

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not to mention that it's on a cheaper motherboard makes that feel more like a

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defensive reaction than an earnest effort to just bring more value to the

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consumer out of the goodness of intel's heart which brings us to performance

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testing then we've gone with high-speed ddr4 3600 memory for all the benches

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that support it and we've got the highest end consumer chips being tested

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along with our hddt ones and here we go

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oh oh dear it's a really good thing intel decided

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to drop their pricing because it looks to us at least like their 10th gen chips

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may actually have worse performance

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compared to last gen in some scenarios

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in spite of their higher boost clocks

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we reached out to intel about this and they said

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yes the 10 980xc numbers that you have

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are in fact accurate but your 9980xc

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numbers are higher than expected

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we're not really sure what that means but we retested a bunch of times and

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consistently got these results on what is quite literally the same motherboard

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with the same bio settings and operating system so

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our best guess is that the new hardware vulnerability fixes are taking a toll

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here intel wouldn't confirm that but come on linus

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it's half the price of last gen right well yeah it is but like even compared

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to amd's 250 dollar cheaper ryzen 9 39

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50 x the core i9 10 980 xe isn't doing

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so hot in most of these tests and that is in spite of its two core advantage

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now some of the shorter or more lightly threaded workloads where intel can

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really flex their clock speed advantage those look alright but once that boost

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window expires the advantage moves clearly to team red

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the mozilla firefox compile test is a great example of this where we actually

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saved over a minute and 30 seconds on ryzen versus the new core i9 in fact

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intel pulls off a convincing win in exactly one scenario spec workstations

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energy test summary then

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uh good job i guess at least in terms of productivity now

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for gaming no hedt processor is truly ideal but the 10980xe refreshingly

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manages to pull off better performance than its predecessor here and amd's

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gaming king the 3950x also couldn't

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stand up to it only the core i9 9900 ks pulls off a

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substantial lead from the rest of the pack so i mean that's not that terrible

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but it's also not what most people would buy this cpu for so

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thermals and power are an interesting thing to measure on the 10980xe at face

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value you might think it's as simple as having a base clock of 3 gigahertz and a

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boost of 4.6 but in reality there's actually far more going on here so just

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have a look at this mess of avx offsets and per core boost clocks in fact what

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intel doesn't tell you on the box is that the all core boost frequencies are

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actually the same between the 10980xe

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and its predecessor we tested this for ourselves while we were trying to wrap

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our heads around the results from earlier and yep

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higher lightly threaded boost in the setup phase of this blender render then

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identical all-core boost through the rest of the test

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notice by the way how the 9980xe manages

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to catch up somewhat by the end of the test despite its slower start this seems

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to support our hardware mitigation handicap hypothesis

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as for power consumption we got this very bizarre reading and moderate core

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temperatures with our corsair h159 aio water cooler which suggests that the cpu

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would actually very much like to possess a higher base clock but to hit their tdp

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targets intel didn't give it one i mean at least you might find a little

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bit of overclocking headroom on this thing as long as you've got strong custom water cooling

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to be clear though i've been really harsh today

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but a lot of that was being mad about

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the chicken way that intel handled this launch i mean this is not a bad product

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it doesn't make your cat sick or randomly shout insults that burly men

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who pass you on the sidewalk or whatever it's just clearly the result of far too

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much beating of far too many dead horses

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this is the end of the line for x 299 i

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mean zen 2 based mainstream chips are challenging intel's best of the best and

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intel didn't even have the stones to go up against the threadripper chips that

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are also launching today so that should give you some idea how that's gonna go

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and so with that in mind the conclusion is this

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10th gen isn't awful but what it is is still very expensive

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and a dead-end platform with nowhere to

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go for upgrades so it is clear that intel needs to have a much more

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compelling response to zen 3 when that

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launches which will be in the first half of 2020 if amd is to be believed

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now then what are you guys waiting for hit subscribe and the bell icon so you

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thanks for watching subscribe i think i kind of said that already i'm done i'm out

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why you do this to yourselves it's like it's not a terrible product we

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we could have talked about you know the the pricing adjustment and the you know

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hey at least they're finally reacting but instead you go and make it all about

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how you're cowering in the corner with your tail between your legs

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shame on you okay no i'm done for real now