WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.560 Oh my god. This is real. I actually didn't think I was going to be able to 00:00:03.120 --> 00:00:11.960 move it at all. I thought I had my end game TV with my 00:00:07.920 --> 00:00:12.760 65-in Sony Bravia QD OLED. When QD OLEDs 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:18.800 were first coming out, I was like, "Damn, these are amazing." But now, 00:00:16.520 --> 00:00:23.400 and maybe it's cuz I work with Linus, I really am looking at that 65-in TV 00:00:21.040 --> 00:00:28.480 thinking, "This thing is puny. I need a large format display, like a freaking 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:36.480 98-in 20,000 dimming zone 10,000 nit mini LED 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:38.120 TV." This TV is hyped for a reason. It's 00:00:36.480 --> 00:00:43.600 $10,000, which is insane, but it's not insane. 00:00:45.520 --> 00:00:50.120 This is actually going to take you like more than 1 week for your garbage 00:00:48.520 --> 00:00:55.160 collection service to to get this. You're going to be out there for half an hour cutting this up. Okay, before 00:00:53.040 --> 00:01:01.120 we get to the actual epic panel over there, let's look at what else is in 00:00:57.000 --> 00:01:04.040 here. If I can even lift this out. 00:01:01.120 --> 00:01:04.040 Oh my god. 00:01:04.440 --> 00:01:10.320 This is a heavy piece of metal. You could like 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:15.120 seriously kill some kind of minimalist architect man with this thing. This is 00:01:12.080 --> 00:01:18.240 crazy. Boom. Try getting a reservation 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:21.160 at Dorsia now, you son of a 00:01:18.240 --> 00:01:24.400 There's also a bag with a remote that 00:01:22.880 --> 00:01:28.280 seems like it doesn't have enough metal for $10,000 and some mysterious little 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:31.240 grill things that will 00:01:31.520 --> 00:01:38.240 find out about later. Hey, don't look at that. Also comes with a obviously 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:43.040 detachable power cable, which I love to see. Damn, this thing better be long. 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:47.080 With a TV this big, your outlet can be like 4 ft away 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:51.320 and the TV's still in front of it. Oh yeah, this is pretty long. It's nice. 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:54.960 I'm going to say this is 8 ft long. 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:59.000 All right, I'll I'll lift and you scoot. Scoot. Scoot better. Scoot faster. 00:02:01.831 --> 00:02:07.160 >> [laughter] >> Mine didn't Mine didn't have that. 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:15.720 Two pegs, [music] three screws, and one remaining screw and one 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:19.800 remaining peg hole that seemed to be inaccessible. 00:02:17.600 --> 00:02:23.446 I don't know what they're for. Maybe we'll find out. 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:27.000 No promises. >> [snorts] 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:30.000 >> All right, with the second foot on, the our first mystery is solved. These 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:37.200 things are shrouds for those feet. You know what? Maybe 00:02:33.760 --> 00:02:39.600 this hole is for running cables down 00:02:37.200 --> 00:02:43.640 into the hole and out the back so your cables run near the feet. That's the 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:46.720 only explanation I can think of cuz it just otherwise looks unfinished. Okay, 1 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:49.880 2 3. Oh god. Ready? 00:02:53.280 --> 00:03:00.880 Coco. Oh, look at that sloppy peel. 00:02:57.560 --> 00:03:00.880 Someone's peeled this before. 00:03:06.480 --> 00:03:11.480 That was an assault on the senses. I really like the industrial design of 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:15.000 this. There are a lot of TVs that are thin these days, especially with OLEDs, 00:03:13.320 --> 00:03:20.400 but a lot of them only have a thin panel and then they have some kind of like junk in the trunk bumping out of the 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:26.720 bottom, some kind of base. This thing is consistently the same width. It's got to 00:03:23.640 --> 00:03:29.080 be maybe even under an inch. Uh how 00:03:26.720 --> 00:03:32.760 stable does it feel? It's not super stable. I wouldn't let your 5-year-old 00:03:30.760 --> 00:03:37.120 body check this thing, but you also don't want the feet to be so 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:41.080 super wide, so it's probably a good compromise there. The bronze is really 00:03:39.040 --> 00:03:45.560 nice, so I think it was a good kind of premium [music] look to go with while being acceptable 00:03:43.600 --> 00:03:49.720 in lots of different spaces. The back has squares kind of reminiscent of what 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:55.200 you see on the back of Sonys and it's got these really nice and stylish 00:03:52.040 --> 00:03:56.640 enhanced ultra bass drivers back here. 00:03:55.200 --> 00:04:01.520 You'll never see them, but they look really nice. And then a note about the 00:03:58.880 --> 00:04:07.360 wall mount, it's actually higher on the TV than a lot of 00:04:04.880 --> 00:04:12.600 wall mount placements. So if you were to put this on a wall mount that exists in 00:04:09.600 --> 00:04:14.720 your house already, this TV might sit 00:04:12.600 --> 00:04:18.880 lower than your current TV. It might look weird. You might have to move your 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:22.160 wall mount. The power AC in is over here. The rest of the IO is way over 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:26.040 there. Um but on the way, 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:31.320 you have all these little clippy guys, which appear to be for cable management, 00:04:28.400 --> 00:04:34.880 so you can just route everything anywhere you want along that, which is 00:04:33.520 --> 00:04:38.920 really nice. Teleporting over here, we have the IO 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:42.480 and it's slightly more beefy than a normal TV with four HDMI 2.1 00:04:42.308 --> 00:04:50.160 >> [music] >> ports that are each capable of 4K 144 Hz 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:51.640 120. One of them is the eARC port. Now, 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:56.880 you also have LAN. We don't know if that's any faster than normal. It's usually 100 100. And then a USB 2.0 00:04:55.720 --> 00:05:02.880 port, uh another one of those at the bottom, a 00:04:59.200 --> 00:05:05.600 little boomer knob, and an optical audio 00:05:02.880 --> 00:05:08.720 out, which is not a boomer port because it's uh you know, sometimes cool to get 00:05:07.320 --> 00:05:12.440 a vintage uh stereo receiver and sometimes they 00:05:10.640 --> 00:05:17.080 still use Toslink. I've done it. I'm not a boomer. And there's one more sneaky 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:21.720 USB port right here on the side, which is a little more accessible, which I 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:23.760 appreciate. It's a damn fine-looking TV, 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:27.680 but it probably looks better turned on, which we'll do right after this message 00:05:25.280 --> 00:05:32.000 from our sponsor. Ha, got you. We here at LMG love tax season. It's basically 00:05:30.200 --> 00:05:37.240 our Christmas just with more snow. That's why we want to help you help us 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:42.360 with some tax write-offs with some great LTT Store deals. Mystery screwdrivers, 00:05:39.880 --> 00:05:45.880 mystery water bottles, mystery shirts, even things like open box commuter 00:05:44.200 --> 00:05:49.560 backpacks. There's even going to be some third-party goodies for you folks to 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:53.600 snag as well. 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All right, how bright is this thing 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:37.720 going to get? As it's easing on, I'm waiting for it to stop and it just keeps going and getting 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:39.960 brighter and brighter. Jesus. 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:44.440 Look at that sun up there. I'm tempted to crank it up, but one thing to note is 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:48.040 that adjusting the brightness of this TV does 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:52.640 mess with [music] the color accuracy of the TV cuz it affects the the gamma 00:06:50.960 --> 00:06:55.560 tracking. So if you're going to calibrate this or get dialed in, you 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:59.204 kind of want to set your brightness first and do any color stuff after that. 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:04.360 But Jesus, looks great. Even >> [music] >> just these stills display. Okay, here we 00:07:01.520 --> 00:07:08.080 go. Look at that. Wow. All those little I feel like I'm looking at like a snow 00:07:05.640 --> 00:07:11.640 globe or something. These little lights There's so much contrast in here. 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:16.600 It really looks like I'm just looking with my eyes and at at 98 in sure is 00:07:15.080 --> 00:07:24.040 immersive. Oh no. No, motion smoothing is on. This is not 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:26.160 24 frames per second. No, stop. And this 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:30.000 shot here is actually going to be useful now that we turned smooth motion off 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:34.040 because as you can see, it's like slightly more jittery now. Now, as 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:37.520 someone who runs an OLED at home, this kind of shot can be challenging. Maybe 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:42.720 not that one cuz it has a lot of stuff in the foreground, but a landscape pan 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:45.760 on an OLED looks really really jittery 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:47.280 and juddery. So just to say, you know, 00:07:45.760 --> 00:07:51.320 someone in this price point is probably going to be comparing to an OLED, so it 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:57.280 is good to highlight the the kind of downsides or shortcomings of OLEDs where 00:07:53.640 --> 00:07:59.000 they do exist. Nature cinema, 00:07:57.280 --> 00:08:04.240 which apparently is 48 Hz, which would double the 24 uh frames per second that 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:10.440 movies are typically shot in and bring it up to a Gemini Man 48 Hz. That is way 00:08:08.080 --> 00:08:15.240 smoother. That is way less judder. It doesn't look too icky in this 00:08:12.880 --> 00:08:19.360 kind of regular movie scene. Maybe Maybe 48 Maybe that's something to think 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:22.760 about. One thing to note though, it It says nature cinema here, but a lot of 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:26.040 people talking about this online call it natural cinema, so 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:29.920 it's possible we're not in the right mode or they changed the name or people 00:08:28.520 --> 00:08:36.159 are just wrong or this is a typo. I don't I don't know. Okay, here we are in Infinity War. Holy 00:08:33.800 --> 00:08:39.200 cow, the Tesseract is blinding. The colors do look off. I think the reds are 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:45.440 a little cooked, so I'm going to see what we can see if we go into a more 00:08:41.680 --> 00:08:47.320 color accurate mode. Labs did the gamut 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:52.600 of testing here and they found that the HDR Filmmaker Mode was the most 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:56.360 accurate. So let's [music] go there. Man, there are some like just random 00:08:54.920 --> 00:08:59.840 specular highlights. Like there was a beam of light that just came in and it's 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:06.320 not something I don't think I've ever noticed before when when watching this, but it really caught my eye on this TV. 00:09:03.560 --> 00:09:10.320 This TV does have an ambient light sensor and a lot of people turn those 00:09:08.040 --> 00:09:14.160 modes off because they don't want their TV to be dimmer in any circumstance, but 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:17.640 with this TV, you probably want to keep it on. I'm sure if you had a fully 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:22.440 light-controlled room and you made it black, it would actually sear your eyes 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:26.800 to have this on, especially if you were watching YouTube and someone pulled up 00:09:23.680 --> 00:09:29.200 like a white web page, blast you. This 00:09:26.800 --> 00:09:33.800 TV truly does have more than 20,000 dimming zones, which are not very large 00:09:31.680 --> 00:09:36.960 on a TV of this size. They should be about under a centimeter. So let's see 00:09:35.920 --> 00:09:42.400 if we can get a sense of that by going to YouTube and putting on a local dimming test [music] video. 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:47.720 The black levels look really good in the corners where there are no 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:50.000 white elements at all. It's really quite 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:52.640 black. There are lights on in here right now, 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:56.760 so I'm not going to go as far as to say they're OLED level inky black, but they 00:09:54.520 --> 00:10:02.360 look really black. Now, as for the lights around the white, I do see some 00:09:59.960 --> 00:10:06.200 some glare around the white. However, there is always going to be some amount 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:09.120 of glare. Just called veiling glare. It's like an artifact of the way our 00:10:07.520 --> 00:10:12.000 eyes work. But, it's even that's minimal. Now, what I want to do is go to 00:10:10.800 --> 00:10:17.320 the side a little bit. I want to get off-axis. Cuz sometimes uh full-array 00:10:15.560 --> 00:10:22.000 local dimming displays can look really bad off-axis, but 00:10:19.680 --> 00:10:27.640 this is fine. It's not really getting accentuated at all. This test it's a is 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:32.560 exposing some more issues. I can see the trailing edge of this moving block is 00:10:30.800 --> 00:10:36.520 almost like flickery. It looks like there's a glare around it 00:10:34.640 --> 00:10:40.600 that is kind of at least two widths of the block wide in 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:44.880 all directions. But, it really seems like the trailing edges seem to glow more [music] than the 00:10:43.520 --> 00:10:48.360 leading edges. But, still all told we're talking about, 00:10:46.760 --> 00:10:53.520 you know, a size less than your fist that's illuminated at all. 00:10:50.800 --> 00:10:58.080 There was a second there where suddenly it went really black. It's I 00:10:56.640 --> 00:11:03.800 think what happened was that we switched from that little block going around to this bar. And in that transition there 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:08.360 was a moment where there was no white object on the screen. And in that moment 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:12.160 the whole screen went really inky black. So, this seems like 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:17.440 there's some kind of limitation where some banks of lights have to be on to at 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:22.040 least some minimum value if there's just anything any value 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:25.520 uh needed from them. And then when that wasn't the case it just they all turned 00:11:23.880 --> 00:11:29.280 off. And man, if they could do that more often, uh that'd be great. There are 00:11:28.040 --> 00:11:33.800 things that you can see in a side-by-side. If we had this next to an 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:37.440 OLED we might be able to discern a material difference in how black the 00:11:36.160 --> 00:11:42.560 blacks are. But, you don't have side-by-sides in real life. You have one display in your 00:11:40.600 --> 00:11:47.160 room. And for all intents and purposes, this is black as tar, [music] man. Like, 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:50.640 it's really, really black. This is a great experience. All right, boys and 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:56.839 girls. We got the brightness set up to 90. Peak brightness, which was set to 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:59.240 off, is now on high. Let's see if this 00:11:56.839 --> 00:12:04.520 blows our socks off. Oh my god. Okay, here we go. Woo. Oh my god. I'm looking 00:12:02.839 --> 00:12:08.640 in a cauldron. That was an actual absolute forge. 00:12:07.040 --> 00:12:14.160 Woah. The Oh my god. This is just as bright for me 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:18.240 as it is for Gandalf. Wow. Hohoho. Man, that is so immersive. It's 00:12:16.400 --> 00:12:23.320 amazing. Now, they claim that this display can actually cover a 100% of the 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:26.480 BT.2020 color space, which is a huge color 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:30.120 space. And that would be a huge achievement. Just a couple of years ago, 00:12:28.880 --> 00:12:32.760 we weren't even talking about the BT.2020 color space. We were always talking about P3. 00:12:32.603 --> 00:12:38.320 >> [music] >> And then displays were covering 73% of it. And that was really great. Then they 00:12:36.839 --> 00:12:42.080 started covering over 90% of it. And that was insane. Now, they're saying 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:47.680 these guys are claiming 100% coverage. Now, we did not measure that. 00:12:45.160 --> 00:12:52.640 We measured 91% coverage of it, which is still amazing. It's still 00:12:49.880 --> 00:12:56.640 plenty. I wouldn't be mad. I That could still be your end game 00:12:54.520 --> 00:13:00.000 display. However, we have to point out that we didn't we [music] didn't test 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:04.560 their claim. Maybe there's a different mode or setup or a different way of 00:13:01.560 --> 00:13:05.560 testing that can get to 100%, but 00:13:04.560 --> 00:13:14.280 we can only tell you what we experienced. Speaking of things we measured, out of the box in SDR in vivid 00:13:10.560 --> 00:13:18.200 mode, we measured up to 9,293 [music] 00:13:14.280 --> 00:13:20.280 nits in a 5% window. In a 1% window at 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:25.000 5,646 nits. Which is just insane. [music] In 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:31.600 filmmaker mode it is a lot dimmer. Measuring 333 nits in a 1% patch. For 00:13:28.400 --> 00:13:34.960 color accuracy in filmmaker mode in SDR, 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:37.680 we measured an average delta E of 0.95, 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:41.560 which is great. That's a color errors the human eye can't discern. But, that's 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:43.800 the average. The max value was was three, which is a little higher and 00:13:42.680 --> 00:13:47.400 someone might be able to notice that a color is off, but it's 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:49.894 it's still very good. Now, let's talk about HDR where there actually several 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:54.080 modes. >> [music] >> The brightest one we measured was HDR 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:59.280 IMAX mode where we measured almost 11,000 nits at a 5% patch. There's also 00:13:57.280 --> 00:14:04.080 HDR standard, HDR filmmaker mode, and Dolby Vision. This, you know, this is a 00:14:01.680 --> 00:14:06.924 mini LED TV. So, it's not going to have the pixel 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:11.079 response times that are >> [music] >> just instant like OLEDs have. I guess 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:15.560 you could make the argument that it's kind of better for gaming in terms of 00:14:13.520 --> 00:14:19.760 lifetime of your television set. It's not going to have any burn-in issues. At 00:14:17.839 --> 00:14:23.160 least nowhere near the degree that OLED has. Although that, in my experience, 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:26.280 hasn't really been a problem. And I think it's getting better with OLEDs all 00:14:24.560 --> 00:14:30.000 the time. But, that's the beauty of these large format TVs. It's we're 00:14:28.079 --> 00:14:33.125 getting towards the size of a projector with the 00:14:31.520 --> 00:14:37.959 picture quality and >> [music] >> response times and just all the benefits 00:14:35.160 --> 00:14:41.640 of TVs. It actually looks really photorealistic right now with how bright 00:14:39.880 --> 00:14:45.280 some of these highlights are. >> [music] >> You actually don't see super dark blacks 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:48.440 really anywhere in the scene. And you wouldn't in real life either because 00:14:47.160 --> 00:14:51.465 there's just enough light like ambient light being put out 00:14:50.520 --> 00:14:56.120 by these >> [music] >> big billboards and stuff. And they all have different color temperatures as 00:14:54.360 --> 00:15:00.920 well. And you got the reflections off the ground. It just looks awesome. If 00:14:59.040 --> 00:15:04.400 you're someone who's thinking a 98-in TV that sounds so so stupid, it would be 00:15:02.920 --> 00:15:08.600 awful to watch. Your mind might be changeable. At this 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:13.000 viewing distance, I'm sitting about as far from this thing as I sit from my 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:16.320 65-in TV at home, but there's just something about especially in the gaming 00:15:14.560 --> 00:15:21.200 use case, the peripheral edge of the screen is kind of 00:15:19.040 --> 00:15:25.720 in my peripheral vision and it just sucks you right into the [music] game. 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:29.120 This TV does have 120 W of speakers in it. There's like 12 speakers and three 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:33.520 subwoofers, which is kind of crazy. But, what it would be 00:15:31.160 --> 00:15:37.200 even crazier is if you actually used any of those. If you spent $10,000 on a TV 00:15:35.640 --> 00:15:39.560 but didn't have a great speaker setup. 00:15:38.959 --> 00:15:46.560 Uh that'd be weird. Shame on you. But, one thing that's cool about this TV is it 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:48.440 has Dolby FlexConnect, which is new to 00:15:46.560 --> 00:15:52.040 me. But, apparently you have the capability here to do the processing for 00:15:50.640 --> 00:15:57.200 surround sound that you would normally do in your AVR just in the TV itself. 00:15:54.880 --> 00:16:00.959 So, you can plug in a number of speakers or powered speakers that don't need 00:15:58.520 --> 00:16:03.240 amplification into this TV. The TV will do the processing for the surround 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:08.839 sound. That's pretty cool. It's potentially more user-friendly than, you know, AVRs 00:16:06.880 --> 00:16:16.680 can be intimidating to some folks. But, I will say this is kind of an enthusiast TV. So, 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:19.920 eh This TV is awesome. I want it. 00:16:16.680 --> 00:16:22.959 The thing is it's $10,000 00:16:19.920 --> 00:16:24.680 which is a lot. A like really a lot. You 00:16:22.959 --> 00:16:28.079 can get the previous model to this thing, which is quite a step down for, 00:16:26.920 --> 00:16:32.720 you know, three to five thousand dollars. So, does that mean that the price of this is going to come down in a 00:16:31.160 --> 00:16:39.560 short amount of time? I don't really think so [music] cuz it's like kind of their new node. But, maybe. But, what is 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:42.959 clear is that these large format TVs are becoming more and more of a thing. They 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:46.200 are the most growthy part of the TV market right now. So, I do expect the 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:50.240 prices to continue to come down. And I pray to [music] goodness that one of 00:16:48.160 --> 00:16:53.320 them is in my future for my home. Oh, so thanks for watching, guys. If you liked 00:16:51.560 --> 00:16:57.120 this video, hit like, hit subscribe, hit us up in the comments to tell us 00:16:55.360 --> 00:17:01.360 what do you think of this whole whole large format TV thing? 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:05.079 Is it for you? Is it for billionaires only? Are these going to come down in 00:17:03.160 --> 00:17:08.959 price anytime soon so us mere mortals can enjoy it? 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:08.959 What do you think?