And welcome to the live show tonight, guys. I am the only one here and uh
well, I'm not the only one here. I'm one of two people here, but I'm the only one
who is who is physically able to sit and
do a live stream tonight. Slick's not feeling well. He's actually been sick
for the last week while he's been working on getting the forum up and
running. So the forum is working on a
local machine right now. Um he's played around with we're using vbolitin connect
5. So you know it's beta right now.
There's not a lot of support for it. There's some some tricky stuff. And uh
so he's still getting some bugs figured out. We still got to figure out how to
actually get it launched, whether we're paying for hosting or whether we're going to see if we can host it somewhere
else for now. Um, so we've got we've got all of that to figure out and then uh
we're pretty much ready to go. One thing I can promise is it will be up
before CES because the forum is our
brilliant plan to have uh to have all of
the content that we're producing, all of the videos that we're making while we're
at the show be sort of accompanied by little articles and maybe some pictures
to go along with it and all that kind of stuff. I mean, we're going to have a whole team there. It'll be me, Slick,
Diesel, and um an assistant to sort of
like carry bags and stuff. Actually, you know what? Here, why don't we start with
this? I'm going to check this out, guys. I'll be back in one moment. And Slick
can't entertain you while I'm gone,
unfortunately. Check this out. So, I did an unboxing of my Pelican case that I
that I purchased for myself for the FS700. Also, the lights are a little
bright. Hold on. Let me just play with these a little bit. Let's dim these
babies. All right. What's the point of
getting baller lights if you can't, you know, turn them
down. There we go. Let's see if that helps. Whoa. Yeah, that was not qu Okay.
See, the skin tones are better, but that was not not quite the desired effect
there. Let's try uh let's try cranking these back up. I did turn off a couple
of the other lights.
Okay, you know what? O, whatever. Okay, good enough.
Ah, Pelican case. So, if you guys saw my
unboxing, um, I got this for the FS700 camera, which is not the one that I'm
using for a lot of people, a lot of people complain about the image quality
of the $8,000 camera, but what they don't realize is we don't use the $8,000
camera for everything. In fact, the $8,000 camera is intended only for
certain projects. So, check this out, guys. Pelican cases are freaking
awesome. All these little foamy pieces here actually can come out in little
rectangular prisms, to use the correct word, or little squares, if I was going
to be more colloquial. Come out and they're about this long. There's two
full layers. And with it, you can pack all your sweet gear. So, I got my road
mic, which I've been informed is not pronounced road because it's like a Danish word or something, but whatever.
Uh, so I got my road mic, got my FS700, got spot for my
lens, got spots for maybe a couple more lenses over here. So, this is what is
going to keep the camera safe, and I'm super super thrilled with
it. Seems like the kind of thing that uh
nothing can go wrong if you throw your camera in a Pelican. It's even
waterproof for like 30 minutes or something along those lines. So, that's
pretty cool. Uh, right. So, we're going to have a whole crew there. So, I'm
hoping to really sort of change the way that Lionus Tech Tips presents video.
So, not just uploading to YouTube, but I also want there to be a little bit of
accompanying text. Just sort of maybe some editorial that's not necessarily in
the video itself. Maybe some some, you know, pictures of close-ups or things
that we perhaps missed while we were filming the video. That's the kind of
thing that's really easy for us to be like, "Oh crap." You know, take a couple pictures, make sure that goes up with
the article. So, I'd love to get your feedback. Do you guys want to see a few
different things? Do you want to see like um sort I mean okay when I read a
review basically I read introduction conclusion and then I see if it won any
kind of award. So that's the concept. Do you guys want to see that? Just a little
text blurb then a video little text blurb and then like you know maybe some
kind of a rating in terms of value performance or or whatever other metrics
that you want to see. So, let's do some Twitter because I don't have a ton of
topics prepared and I especially don't have anyone to sit and entertain the
audience while I'm sort of going and doing other things. So, let's have some
interaction. Slick is sick, Zoomass, and I'm very sorry for that. For those of
you who have been telling me to kick him off the show, then you'll be pleased
that he's not here tonight. But that's very few of you. I think for the most
part, you guys enjoy Slick's
contributions. All right. Having
examined less than an hour. Oh, I'm sorry you can't make it, Edwin, but good
luck. Woke up to watch from Iceland. Awesome. Gotta love Pelican. Yes. Been
waiting six hours. See, I often see this. People are
sitting in Twitch like waiting for the live stream to start, like hours and
hours before it starts. Guys, it's at 900 p.m. my time every week. Although, I
will be changing the time soon. I've had a lot of people ask me about the times
for the live live show. Am I planning to change it? Yes, I'm planning to change
it. Um, sometime in the new year, it will change. Good question. Andrew R
asks, "Is there a difference between an 8pin EPS connector and an 8 pin PCI
Express connector? Are they interchangeable?" I would love to
address this by grabbing
myself. Not by grabbing myself, by grabbing a connector to show you guys
exactly what the difference is between them. So, let me just see if I can get
this test bench detachated here. Yeah,
there's a PCIe. Yeah, good. There's an EPS. So
EPS8 pin is often also referred to as just CPU 8 pin or even ATX8 pin which
isn't technically correct but I mean you can't stop people from using terminology
that they're more that they're more familiar with when it was first introduced uh in the P4 era. It was
called the uh the P4 connector as well. So that's another really common
terminology for it. So I'm going to show you guys exactly what the difference is
between these connectors. I hope the autofocus is okay on this camera. So,
uh, this guy right here, that is an 8pin
CPU. So, an 8 pin is just an evolution
of a four pin. And the four pin, uh,
there we go, is two 12vt wires, which are colorcoded, see, hold on, I'm going
to move that. Two 12vt wires, which are colorcoded yellow or on some power
supplies, they've removed the color coding just in favor of aesthetics. And
then two ground wires. So, those go out to your power supply. Those provide
power just to your CPU. That's all they
do. They do not go anywhere else. They do not share because this standard was
introduced when Intel was really pushing
the envelope in terms of how much heat output a CPU
uh was. Sorry, I'm having a really hard time putting this back. Yeah. How much
heat output CPUs were producing as well as how much power they were consuming.
So all of a sudden we needed this dedicated connector near the CPU socket
itself that ran power just to the CPU. PCI Express is a different standard. So
you can see the six pin PCIe which was the first connector we had for uh PCI
Express cards is three 12 volts and
three grounds. Okay. The Apin standard
doesn't actually add another circuit loop to it. It only adds two more ground
connectors. So, we are actually still relying, let's see if I can get it to
focus. See, two more ground connectors. We are actually still relying on those
three yellow ones there to provide one
side. And then we've got five grounds to carry. Like, I don't actually quite
understand how two more ground pins changes how much power, how much current
it can carry, but apparently somehow it does. So anyway, the point is no,
they're not the same because this has four 12 volts and four grounds and this
has three 12 volts and five grounds. They're also keyed differently. So what
I mean when I say keying is the shape of
the Here. Hold on. I'm going to see if I can uh see if I can get you guys a good
look at this. This is really important when you're putting together your computer because if you do this wrong,
it'll cause big problems for you. There we go. So, the actual shape of the
plastic housings around the pins are
different. And you can also see that the eight pin Oh, I'm probably talking
really loud. You can see that the eight pin here has a bridge between these two
that actually prevents it from being inserted into an 8 pin on the uh
motherboard. So, there you go. That is the difference. Good question between
EPS 8 pin and PCI Express 8 pin. I'm
going to jump up to the top just to make sure that uh there aren't any audio
issues or anything that I'm not aware of. Okay. I heard that the Noctua NF12s
are only good for push and not for pull. No, that's not true at all. A fan with
good static pressure has good static pressure. That's it. That means that
it's good at scooping air from the one side of it and it's good at pushing air
to the other side of it. What that person might have been thinking of is
that the F12s are optimized for directed
air flow, much like Silverstone Air Penetrator 121s. So, if you're using
them as a case fan, say for example, in the front of your case, and you want to
be cooling that video card that's like way over there, an F12 will be very
effective for pushing air towards that video card because it creates like a
funnel of air that moves in one direction without just being randomly
dispersed. So, they're excellent for pushing air, but that doesn't change the
fact that they're just a well optimized high-pressure fan, and they're great for
push or pull if you're using them on a heat sink or on a
radiator. Uh, oh, will you be doing more
audio related unboxings, something like HD800s or some speakers? I've done the
HD800s, believe it or not. Um, honestly,
the sort of price to performance that
comes along with those super premium audio products, I think it's wasted on
me a little bit. I mean, I was listening to Flax and I we had
HD555s, HD 595s, HD800's, as well as
some gaming headsets. And Slick and I were using the ASUS Essence One, which
is not a super high-end DACK or amp by any stretch of the imagination. I mean,
those will go into tens of thousands of dollars, guys. So, yes, it's like a $500
audio product, but it's not really
qualified to drive something like HD800's. Um, and I found that once you
get like HD555 to HD595 is noticeable,
but that was only about a $100 price delta back when those were current
products, where something like an HD800 costs several times what an HD595 was.
However, from a 555 to a 595 felt like
about the same kind of a jump as from a 595 to an 800. Hard to say whether
that's just us or whether that's correct. Um because we didn't really
have the kind of amp we'd need to drive it. But and neither of us really have
like golden ears. But um I mean I appreciate good audio, but something
like an 800 is pretty pretty overkill for me. I also found them a little bit
um almost too big on my head. So, that's
just a minor complaint, I guess. But if I was paying, you know, that much for
headphones, couple grand for headphones, I'd want them to feel like awesome,
comfortable. Uh, what camera am I using for the live stream? Please tweet back
because I've got to go now. Test
tester. All right, fine. Why not? X A
10. Oh, right. That won't work. Oh, you
know what? Sorry, man. That's not going to work because I have my uh I have my
number my number signs bound to my different camera stuff. So, yeah, that
won't work. All right. Opinions on OCZT power supplies. Have you had much
experience with them? Yeah, I've used one on a test bench for a while. Uh nothing bad to say. I mean, they're an
80 plus bronze fully modular power supply. They're a good deal. I'm here,
says Aaron. Hello, Aaron. Lionus, have you heard about the AMD 7870 XT?
No. What are your thoughts on the Digital Storm Bolt, especially compared
to the Falcon Northwest Tiki? Uh, neither of them seems particularly
relevant because these days I really can't think of a good reason to buy a
boutique machine. Um, what are you I
guess here's the question. You We have to do like a PC buyer guide
at some point, I think. you know, just like an ultimate bible on buying a PC
and sort of teach people how to do the analysis of what they're paying for with
someone like a a boutique builder like a Falcon Northwest. Okay. If you're going
to pay them to paint your case and you really like the design and you're going
to do that stuff, okay, okay, you want
to drop a couple G's on a case, you know what? Fine. Fine. That's fine. Now, my
TJ07 at this point, and those of you who are going to tell me to change it, I'm
not changing it, was a present from my wife, and it's my favorite case ever. I
don't want a different case. Here, right there, for those of you telling me, "Get
a TJ11."
That is a TJ11. I don't care. I'm not
using it. I'm using the TJ07. Um, so anyway, yeah, if you really like their
case and you really really want them to paint it, you love their design, then
that's cool. That's fine. But if you're just getting them to do like a normal
computer, why what do they do that and I
mean, yeah, I I work at NCIX and that's all fine, so obviously I'm a little
biased, but what do they do that someone like NCIX doesn't for 50 bucks and why
are they charging you an extra $500 to $800 for it? I mean, even someone like
Main Gear, who I'd hardly consider to be boutique, like they're they're a system
integrator and they build like great gaming systems and all that stuff, but I
mean, they're not, you know, running with guys like, you know, formerly
Voodoo or or Falcon. Like, let's just be
honest with ourselves. Um, even Main Gear, I think back when we launched one
of our PC systems, I compared the price for the exact same spec just for LS and
I think it was about a $600, $700 difference. I'm like, where is this
money going? I don't understand. Building a computer is not rocket science. Um, I've even had people I mean
this same thing. I've had people ask me, "Linus, will you build my computer for
me?" And I told the guy something ridiculous like uh $500 or $300 or
something for me to build it. And uh he's like, "Okay." I'm like, "What?
What? Why? I've done guides. I've shown
you guys how to build your own computers. Um, I mean here, just for the
sake of making sure that I'm not, you know, completely, you know, missing the point
of all this, I'll I'll look up these computers, but I suspect they're just
sort of like kind of neat, keen, small form
factor machines or something like that.
Uh, Falcon uses uh often
custom Silverstone cases, so it's
probably like a customized TJO or SGO3
or whatever it's called. I don't remember. Something 03 FTO3 or something
like that. This is just my guess. Oh no. What is this thing? 4 in wide. Something
something. The world's most powerful micro tower. Yeah, it's one of the best
boutique computers on the market today. Here, you guys can uh you guys can see
what I'm seeing here if you want. We are researching before we before we go on a
tirade about boutique builders and how it's pointless. So, what can you put in
here? GTX. What? GeForce GTX 6 series
graphics card.
Uh, okay. What What GeForce GTX 6 series
graphics card? Build your Tiki. Doesn't say. My
guess would be they could probably cram a 670 in there. I mean, I guess I still
just don't see the point. Build yourself an FTO3
mini and paint
it. I can't even find. Oh, here we go. Configure a tiki. Let's shop together,
shall we? Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Configure a
falcon. Sure. I met the owner of Falcon last
year, actually. Super nice guy, in case anyone
cares. There we go. World's most powerful micro tower. Configure a tiki.
So, at least these guys have a custom chassis going for them, which a lot of
those builder guys don't. What do we want for this thing? 1,700 bucks. And
we've got, what do we have so far? We have a chassis. We have a chassis logo
insert. We have a chassis base. We have a 450 watt SFX power supply. So, that's
that Silverstone power supply. So, you want to price this out. Go ahead. Price
it out. Silverstone power supply. PAZ77i. Oh, okay. Well, we need a 3570K
at the very least. How do I change it? Yeah. Add component. There we go. 56
bucks. Wow. Their builder has gotten a lot more advanced since the last time I
looked at it. Okay, they got a liquid cooler in there. They got some 2x4 gig.
How much do they want? Seriously, they want $78. Okay, this is where See, this
is where you run into trouble.
ncix.com. Okay, let's find out what a 2 by8 gig memory kit actually costs. So,
what is this? 1866 memory. Not that it
matters. It really doesn't make that much difference to performance. But just for lols. Oh no, I can't type in
numbers. Oh wait, I can use this one.
1866. Uh, and that was a
60. Wrong scene. There we go. Sorry
guys. It's really inconvenient having my number keys bound this way. So a 16 gig
1866 kit costs what? I don't know, 97
bucks, 95 bucks, 120 bucks. So, well,
okay. Okay, that's not so bad. That's not as bad as I
thought. Who knows? I might be able Oh, GTX 650. I might be a believer by the
end of this. $300 additional for a 670. Okay, that
doesn't look that good.
And of course, I hate doing this.
670. Yeah. Okay. So, you can get a 670 for like
$289.99. So, there's a bit of margin there. Sound cards probably on board.
Yeah. Networking's on board. So, I guess
guys, it comes down to personal choice. Would I pay more for something like a
Tiki? Probably not. I mean, there's shuttles out there. There's FTO3 Mini
out there. There's a lot of different solutions out there. Something like a
Bit Phoenix Prodigy isn't as small, but has a lot of cool factor going for it as
well. But I'm not the intended audience. So, if you have an appreciation for
guys, make no mistake, the amount of work and the amount of money that it
takes to produce a custom chassis as a system builder, if you have an
appreciation for that and it's like not easy, then go for it. you know, you want
something that's a prestige piece, then go for it. Otherwise, personally, I'd
build my own machine. Um, as for the digital storm bolt, I don't know.
Depends how bored you guys are of this topic, but I could probably at least
find out what it is. Digital. Hate this keyboard. Well, I
don't hate this keyboard. It's just not
ideal. Digital storm bolt.
Enter. Yeah, I meant digital stormbbolt. Got my got my typo going on
here. Okay, so that is what the heck is this
thing? Okay, that's kind of neat machine as
well. I don't know. I don't know. What do you want me to
say? What kind of video card do they have in here? as long as they've got
options to put decent video cards in. I mean, that's something else to consider, guys, too. Is if you configure your own
Oh, they've got a 650 Ti in there. So, yeah, that's not bad. What kind of
upgrade options do they
have? Where are the upgrade options? I don't know. Okay, not going
to worry about this too much anymore because I'm bored.
Um, yeah, if you like it, buy it, I
guess. Moving right along. Oh, I think
I've got my uh camera pointed a little high
here. Yeah, I'm impressed actually. Both of those machines look really cool. Do
you wish Canada and the US had better travel relations on border checks like
the EU? Um, no. I don't know. Doesn't seem like
that big of a deal to show a
passport. Is this moving? I think it's
moving. No wonder I'm having trouble.
All right. Is it true that the most expensive graphics card is not the best
graphics card? Good question. It is true that the most expensive graphics
solution is not necessarily the best graphics solution. GTX 690 quad SLI is
the most expensive graphics card solution uh before you start getting
into sort of quad 680s. Um, however, I
would say that defining something as best is not as simple as does it perform
the best because it will perform the best in many scenarios, but there will
be ones where its performance consistency is not very good because
quad SLI doesn't scale the same way that a single card or dual SLI or even triple
SLI does. So, if I were to look at it
from a perspective of, okay, am I getting the best gaming solution there,
gaming solution by getting uh quad 680s
or dual 690s? I would go, well, hard to
say because it's going to get hot. It's going to potentially get loud,
especially if you have fans sandwiched up against each other. Uh, it's not
necessarily going to scale in every game or every scenario. And you might even
run into weird bugs where you got to turn your setting, turn your SLI off in
order to even get your machine to run a particular game, especially weird
obscure stuff that doesn't really get the same kind of QA put into it as other
things. So, I would say instead of buying four 680s, which will give you
the highest FPS, I would do something like buy two 680s and then like a wicked
sound card and an awesome like, I don't
know, something else RAID card and throw some SSDs on it. I mean, there's lots of
better things you can spend your budget on than three or four graphics cards.
So, there you have it. My take on that
question. Does the speed of the pump affect the performance of a water
cooling loop? Uh, yes, but not as much as most people seem to think. Uh it
does yeah it does affect the flow rate having the pump spin faster and the
water moves faster but once you're past a certain point uh the returns that you
get for speeding up the water diminish very very very sharply. I mean in a
custom loop running dual graphics cards and a CPU, two radiators using a D5. So
with it cranked to five I'm within one degree of turning it all the way down to
one. And I would say for the noise
difference, I'll take that. I'll throw away that one degree. No problem.
Lionus, I'm the guy who wanted the autograph with the Razer Kraken Pros.
Hi, Liam. That is a great profile picture you've got yourself there. My
friend bought an alien wear a laptop for about 2,000. It was
3,000. It's 16 gigs fast. We shouldn't
laugh at them. We should help them. Any comments on the 840 Pro SSD? No unboxing
um right now. I'm hoping to get my hands on one soon. Benchmarks wise, there's
lots of benchmarks out there. It's basically the ruler of the roost. It's
right up there with the OCZ Vector. Those two would be kind of the the kings
of the castle right now. So that uh that's pretty much my take on
it on it. Best
nonommon Cherry MX switch. I don't know.
That's a very strange question, Bob. I don't understand why you'd ask that
question. Um I actually haven't used clears. I haven't used uh anything other
than blue, brown, red, black. So, sorry.
I guess I can't really answer that one. Talk about the Sandia cooler.
Sandia cooler. So, this is something that people are pretty excited about
right about now. So, I'm going to go ahead and show those of you who aren't
familiar with it. Sandia
cooler. There we go. Here we go. This is
what this is all about. So, it's a cooler that instead of spinning a fan on
top of a heat sink, takes a heat sink and spins it around like a fan. So,
promises 30 times better CPU cooling, blah blah blah. They're making a lot of
claims about it. Apparently, the way that the top heatsink spins is by having
a like a micro micro thin layer, like a
cushion of air between this bottom layer here that interfac
uh interfaces directly with the CPU and
then this spinning part on top that still allows optimal heat transfer as if
it wasn't even there. And then because of the way the blades are optimized,
they throw air out. I believe it spins
this way. So, it chucks air out of the heat
sink, making it very, very, very efficient or something. Um, I've had a
lot of people ask me about what I think about it. There you go. Sandia cooler.
Hold on, let me turn that volume down. Oh, yeah. This should be
okay. Oh, it's a long video. Boo. Long
video. Boo. Where is it running?
show us up close. Okay, whatever. Forget
that video. Um, so people have asked me about it a lot.
I know that there's one PC heatsink guy that's licensed it already, so we're
going to see a product based on this, but I guess Yeah, here we go. It spins
at just 2,000 RPM. Only 2,000 RPM, you say? Why,
that'll be intolerably loud. 2,000 RPM
isn't quiet. I mean, it's possible that
because of the way the air is moving, there's going to be less of a whoo to
it, but I don't think I've heard a 2,000 RPM motor that doesn't have a
significant wind to it. So, yeah, if they can and I mean that and I mean,
we're talking a different kind of motor when you're spinning around a piece of metal. So, it'll have to actually have
some torque to it versus if you're turning plastic. So, I'm expecting there
to be a mechanical like a wind to it.
Um, so yeah, it can cool better all at once. It's not going to cool better than
water. I can tell you that now. And I'm already looking at it going, "What do you mean 30 times better than air?" How
do you define 30 times better? I mean, we've already got air cooling heat sinks
that'll remove 130 watts of heat from a Are you going to You're telling me we're
going to remove 4,000 watts of heat from a CPU
socket? So, yeah, I will believe it when
I see it. That is my approach to the Sandia cooler. Great. Looks good. Good.
Good in theory. Um, but let's see how the actual products do because we've
seen this time and time again. Remember Lucid Logic's Hydra? How we were gonna
SLI GeForce cards with Radeon cards and
we were going to throw five cards in one system and they were all going to work together and it was going to be like
magic. Holy crap. Yeah, that that didn't
work. 3D Mark was I think the only application that it ever properly worked
in. So, see how it goes. First time
watching live. I'm glad to hear that you are tuned in. I can see that the Linus
Tech Tips community will be awesome just by being in the Twitch chat. That is
actually one of the reasons we fasttracked having a forum at all because the Twitch chat is so active and
there's such good conversation going on in there. Uh normal unboxings should be
normal. I don't know. I I don't remember what you're commenting about, Ryan. I'm
sorry. Happy to moderate the stream chat. Been here for five hours chatting
with cool peeps. Absolutely. Stream countdown on the
forum. Yep. Yeah, that's not a bad It's not a bad idea at all. I noticed you
guys are doing awesome on the whole liking videos and encouraging other
people to like videos. Keep it up. Um the I think it makes a difference. I
think it'll take a bit of a longer term sort of uh I think it'll take a bit of a
longer term approach to find out how well it's working. I noticed that
there's still a lot of videos that some of you are selectively liking or not
liking. I noticed uh uh the one with the cat and the baby did like way better
than uh than one of the other ones that I did that was actually a lot more work.
The heat sink roundup using my new uh my
new test bench here. So yeah, I mean keep it up. Do your best
with it, guys. I think it helps. So there you go. For some reason it's black
for me the live stream flash player. I
don't know. How do I cheer up my friend who got a new graphics card but found
out he has a 280 watt power supply. I don't know. It is Christmas. You could
get him a new power supply and it doesn't
suck. All right. Totally stopped scripting to watch. Excellent. And I
can't figure out how to move this around. All right. Let's do some more
Q&A. See what Oh my goodness. 254 new
interactions. Good morning from Denmark indeed. What do you think of the Cooler
Master Quickfire TK keyboard with the arrow keys and number pad integrated? I
actually did an unboxing of this one uh last week, two weeks ago. Really like
it. Very cool layout for those of you who haven't seen it. I'll go grab it cuz
it's right
here. Here we go. Oh, the this was
sitting with it. These are the Twinkies that uh Slick and I ate last week as
part of our live stream because I had a viewer send those in. So, we got a key
remover. got some covering on it. This is a
really unique keyboard because the first time I showed it to Slick, he wasn't
familiar with the product already and he was like, "Oh yeah, it's a 10 keyless."
It is not a 10 keyless. See, it actually has a full number pad and then you just
switch modes. So there's number keys here. You got like your delete key, your
insert, your page up, your page down, and all that stuff here. So you actually
switch between number pad and then extension of normal keyboard. So, it
ends up being a super compact, super awesome, super brightly back lit
mechanical keyboard. This is the TK Blue. So, this has a blue backlight and
blue switches, but it's available with brown or red switches as well in white
or red back lights. Um, I think it's awesome. I think it's outstanding. I
don't know if I would use it myself because I'm not space constrained, but
it's especially useful for people who don't have a lot of room at their
computer and they want to still have a number pad because I don't know about
you guys, but I use a number pad every day. Every single day, I cannot live
without a number pad on my keyboard. Uh unless I had like a little standalone
keyboard and
um where was I going with that? Number pads are good, right? But because I'm
not space constrained, then I'll just assume have a normal keyboard with a
number pad. So, I think I'll stick with my Zyo 60.
But if you want to save some room on your desk, the TK is a perfect option in
my opinion because you still get your number pad, which matters to me, as you
guys may or may not have noticed. Watching from Norway.
Yes. Uh, hey Lionus. My friend's PC is
turning on but not powering the monitor and half of the fans don't work. It's a
fresh build. What do uh could be video card, could be memory. Basically, what
you've got there is a no post situation. So, if you search on YouTube for no post
diagnosis, I have a video all about it.
First time watching in the UK, but my dad woke me up by snoring trying to type
quietly on Cherry MX Blues. Good luck with that, sir. Is Corsair Link worth
it? Um, I was talking to the Russian about
it and they were doing some work with Corsair Link. I actually have a Corsair
link around here somewhere. I haven't tried the actual link module. Uh the
Corsair link software, just the software component that you use with something
like an H80i or an H100i is pretty neat.
It's fairly robust. It's I mean, bear in mind, guys, this is something that's
been in uh
in production software, whatever. They've been working on it for over two
years back when Coollet was still doing their own thing. Uh they were working on
I think they were calling it something else, but they showed this off at CES
two years ago in their booth and then when Corsair went exclusive with the
Coollet coolers and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. They had some
arrangement. So now Corsair I think inherited a lot of that work that Koolit
had already done. So this has been a in development. That's what I was thinking of. Has been in development for years.
So, it's very mature compared to um well, a lot of the other solutions
out there, even something like an MCU T balancer, there's a lot more that goes
into things that seem simple like fan
control than you would imagine because there's all these different like even
something like something like PWM. There's all these different
implementations of PWM, which is basically instead of undervolting the
fan, running it at 12 volts, but doing it in bursts so that it doesn't spin as
fast. Okay, so PWM seems simple, right? No, no, no. So, that can cause all kinds
of issues. It can cause whining in the fans. It can cause fans to die. It can
cause it to just generally not work. It can cause all kinds of issues. So,
there's a lot that goes into it and Link is pretty mature, but does have trouble
with third party fans sometimes. And I
don't remember necessarily where I was going with that. Is it worth it? I don't
know. If you have an H100i, then install it. If you don't have an H100i, then
it's probably not going to do a whole lot for you. I came in late where Slick.
Slick be sick. Yo, I currently have an X79 as Extreme 9. Should I get a 3820
now and wait for a new generation or get the 3930K? The only reason you're going
to benefit from a 3930K is if you're doing serious 3D work, not 3D games, 3D
work, or if you're doing serious like video editing, photo edit, even photo
editing. I mean, come on. Even like serious video editing or after effects
work. Um, other than that, quad core is fine. Trust me. Just joined after
getting home from work yet. The form will be done within probably about a
week and a half. It'll be up. I don't know if it'll be up in its final form,
but it'll be up. Nope. No plans for 680 amp edition unboxing. Are there any
MiniATX motherboards that have Thunderbolt ports yet? I believe
Gigabyte has one, but it's not available in North
America. What would you notice more? What would I notice more? An SSD or a
new sound card? Oo, that's tough. I'd go
SSD. Have you heard about photonic computing and excited about the
possibility of clock speeds near the speed of light? Yeah, we're a long way away from there, though. I'll get
excited when I can actually buy one. Should I get an i5 or an i7 for
Autodesk? You know what? I don't have enough experience with CAD professional
applications to really make a judgment there. If the GPU is doing a lot of the
work, then go for the i5. If CPU still benefits and if it's heavily threaded,
then go for an i7. Um, yeah, it's really
not that much more expensive for the i7, especially if you're building a
workstation that's already going to have a high-end Quadro in it or whatever else. So, got to be your judgment call
from that for that one. Jordan asks if I bought anything from the Steam sale. No,
I have not. Although, I do have a copy of Far Cry 3 with my name on it that I'm
pretty excited to play. Next personal rig update. Actually, I can give you
guys an update now
because it shipped today. So, hopefully
I'll get it back from Mountain Mods sometime early in the new year and I'll
get that built up. I'm super super excited to get it put back together. Oh,
apparently the motor on the San Die cooler turns off after it starts. Well,
I'm very very interesting or very interesting, very interested to see how
that works. Again, I will believe it when I see it. I'll believe it when
they've had one running for, you know, three years in a machine, you know, at
whatever weird angle. And uh I mean I guess one thing I kind of worry about is
when you have like a a stray wire that comes loose from a bundle and gets stuck
in a fan. It kind of goes and then the fan might stop and then your CPU over I
mean what if this thing hits it spinning around at 2,000 RPM made of a even a
light metal like aluminum? I mean what's that going to do to like a wire? I don't
know. I I not I'm not saying progress is
bad. I'm just skeptical until until I'm
proven otherwise. NFF12 or Silverstone air penetrator. Either is a good choice,
but make sure you're getting the AP-121s. There are air penetrators that
are not as optimized for heat sink use. What do you think about the SP2500s?
They're awesome. I'm using SP2500s myself. Love them. Two thumbs
up. Noise Nazi. Well, yes. Who does the
awesome NCL drawings? Uh, Tom. Tom does the awesome NCI XL drawings. He was
actually featured on one of the early episodes of NetLink Weekly, and he talks about it a fair bit.
23 minutes late. I was Oh, you were 23 minutes late. Yay, UK. Um, does NX sell
most PCs online or in store for people that can't buy
online? Uh, well, they sell lots of PCs online and in
store. Watching your live stream from the Philippines. Yay. Hi, Philippines.
Am I going to do an unboxing of the NZXT Kraken? Yes, it's already in the mail.
So, as soon as that arrives, I will not only unbox it,
but I will also be putting it in the
standardized this guy heatsink testing rig
with Noctua NF A14 fans because it is a
140 mm radiator. However, I got to spend some time with the A14s and the F12s
kind of, you know, fine-tuning the old ear and deciding what RPM I can run
these at that they'll be the same sound level as the F12s because that that my
friends is the point for me at a consistent sound level with optimized
fans. In this case, those are very radiator and heat sink
optimized. What is the best cooler? Because that way instead of measuring
the efficiency of whatever fan happens to come on whatever heat sink and
they're all running at different RPMs with different pressures etc etc etc
different noise levels we will know which heat sink is the best heat sink
with a proper fan at a noise layout level that everyone will find palatable.
And I know some of you don't care and that's fine. I accept that. But uh I
just don't think computers need to be loud. In fact, I had one person seem to
get really upset on the uh on the video where I was saying there's no need to
have a loud computer because he was, you know, those those fans are 20 bucks
each. Like they're not cheap. You can get cheaper quiet fans. Okay, you don't
have to buy $20 fans, but those are awesome. Um cuz he was like, "Well, I
can't afford to have a quiet computer." What do you mean you can't afford to have a quiet computer?
Here. Where are they?
like whatever component you bought, I guarantee you there's one that costs the
same that's quiet. So, there's that. You
know, whatever case you bought that has wind turbine fans in it, you could have
bought something quiet. And these cost like pennies. These are low-noise
adapters. It's just an inline resistor. Heck, if you want to be, you know,
creative, you can just go buy resistors. Here's the color coding. Go buy them at
the local Radio Shack or equivalent. There you go. Gold, black, blue, green.
and install them in line with your fans. Boom. Quiet quiet PC for like less than
five bucks. So, there you go. It's not about spending a bunch of money on
having a quiet computer. It's about there's no reason to have a loud computer. I play from my couch at 2 and
a half meters from my monitor. Do you have a great keyboard mouse suggestion? Not really. Um although there's
something really cool that I have coming. It's like a couch couch gaming
thing. I'm going to see if I can uh see if I can find this
couch gaming table thing. Crap. There's one.
There's one being sent. Couch stand. How do you guys blah blah blah shiny hacks
gaming on your couch or sofa? Ah
man. Let me shoot. I don't remember what it's called, but it's from a smaller
company in the UK and it's like just
faking awesome. It's like a bean baggy thing that sits on your on your lap. Um,
honestly, if I was gaming from the couch, I'd still prefer wired if I can
get away with it. So, I'd just go with something like a USB
extension, you know. Uh, what fan controller would you
recommend? I use a T- balancer. Other than that, I don't really recommend fan
controllers. I recommend just permanently quieting things down. uh
using the aforementioned resistors or
yeah, fan controllers are kind of ridiculous. Like, think about this for a
second, right? Okay, here to test if you would use a fan controller or not, take
something like uh like a little action figure or something, put them on top of
your computer case, and then every time you launch a game, reach down and put
him on his side. And then every time you close a game, reach down and stand him
up. See how long that lasts. see how long you can do it for before you forget
or don't care. That is why fan controllers are stupid because nobody
actually does that. Uh the temperature sensors that they use are totally
useless because it's not like you can put them uh you know next to the CPU die
anymore like we used to do back in the socket a days. Um, so you can't even
measure any useful temperatures with them unless you have a software
controlled one, something like Corsair Link or something like an MQTT balancer
where everything's automated and you got fan curves and temperatures and all that
kind of stuff, then it's just pointless. Turn down your fans, have a quiet
computer every day, all day. All right, bought a system today.
Only ordered the case from NCIX. I forgot and ordered everything from
Newegg. Going crazy. Cannot decide between a 7970 or 670. There's a $10
difference. You know what? They're both great options. Flip a coin. Uh 7970 is
what I would probably recommend for a surround gaming setup, whereas a 670 is
way better for 3D. So, decide which of those is more important to you. Intake
or exhaust at the top of the case? Usually exhaust. Friend with a Mac Pro.
And what is the point of 96 gigs of RAM? That is so overkill. You know what? I
would have said the same thing about something like 16 or 32 gigs of RAM. So,
there's a couple things you can do until recently. There's a couple of things you
can do. Number one is you can set up a RAM disc. Okay? So, you can install some
stuff on there. You can use as a scratch disc when you're video editing or whatever else. Number two is I had no
idea how he pulled this off, but Diesel managed to just destroy the uh the
memory utilization of a system with 16 gigs of memory. like he only had like
two things open, but he had like some color correction uh Da Vinci Resolve
thing and then he had Premier going and then like he wanted to do something else
and he checked his memory. He was like, "Oh, I got to close something before I can open anything else." I was like,
"Okay, dude. I'll get you 32 gigs of RAM for the editing machine." So, there you
go. For serious serious professional work, you
can use more RAM. Another use is virtual machines. If you want to run VMs, you'll
need tons and tons of RAM. I am an OS10 user. I'm sorry to hear
that. Uh I love watching your videos. I'm happy to hear that. Why do you
prefer PC over OS 10? I like both platforms, but I prefer OS 10. Uh one
word
games right now there's nothing for OS 10. I mean, I can play some uh some Bop,
you know, Mac games. I can play games on
my iPad, but if I actually want to like
sit down at my computer and veg and play a shooter, there's there's nothing. I
mean, I this sort of leads into
something that I find very sad. Like, I don't understand why Microsoft doesn't
do more to try to salvage the PC as a gaming platform. Like I understand Xbox
is great and licensing fees are awesome and like consoles are great because you
can sell what is essentially, you know, a hundred bucks worth of three
generation, four, five generation old stuff for, you know, 300 bucks. I I
understand that's all cool. That's fantastic. Good for you. But understand
that the only thing differentiating your platform from Linux and OS 10, from some
kind of Apple OS, is gaming and gamers and tweakability. And the more they get
away from that, the more I worry about what the future of something like
Windows is. So yeah, right now that's a big part of
the reason. Also, I just find it phenomenally difficult to use. Every time I sit down at a at an OS 10
computer, I managed to break something within about 3 seconds. So, I don't
know. It's just like just stupid stuff like dragging discs to the trash can to
eject them. It's like that was handicapped back when they were doing it
10 years ago. It's still handicapped now, but for whatever reason, they
haven't changed it, so I don't quite get it. Um, what do you think of using RAM
as a hard drive caching? Um, fantasy cache looks really neat. Haven't tried
it yet. Once I get my personal rig up and running, I actually really want to
get that going. So, I have 64 gigs of RAM that I'm going to put in my
motherboard. Then I have my 900 gigs or whatever of RAID zero SSDs. I'm going to
run fancy cache. Maybe throw 48 gigs of that memory because I I don't I'm just
playing games. I'm not going to need anything for video editing or anything
like that. Nothing fancy. So, I'll throw 48 gigs of RAM cache at the almost 1 TB
SSD in RAID zero and I'll see what kind of like crazy performance I can get.
I'll see if I notice it more than anything else. Would you ever add a sound card to
your water loop?
Nope. Uh, tuning in live from Belgium. Yay. How's the litter quitter going?
Oh, litter quitter's good. We had another accident today. It had been like
3 days since the last one and I'm super mad about this. I had the door open into
the garage where I had their old litter box uh while I was preparing for the
live stream. This is actually like I know I'm always late, but seriously
guys, there's always a legit reason. So, I was chasing the cat out of here
because he snuck into the garage and
found where I stashed his litter box and dumped it all over the floor. Freaking
sweet. So, I get to clean that up later. Oh, shoot. I just changed the uh Oops.
Uh oh. I don't know how that affected the stream. There we go. I was trying to
just change the game there so you guys could see the spilled litter. That makes
my life good. So, uh so yeah, not impressed. Bad cat. That was
Rocket. Super super annoyed with him.
But, uh yeah, other than that, good. I was
hoping based on that we hadn't had any accidents for a few days that we'd be
good to go to move to the next stage, but it looks like that's not
going to happen quite yet. Not quite
yet. Uh, no experience with the non-
cherry ones. I'm sort of mainstream that way when it comes to mechanical
keyboards. Uh, Razer Black Widow. I would probably go for the Ultimate. I
don't think the Black Widow actually uses Cherry MX switches. Speaking of me
only really knowing Cherry MX switches. Okay, more about more about more about
uh test my first use of Twitter. Hi, Stephen. Do you think new games will
start using less CPU and more GPU power? We've already seen that. Um, personally,
I'd like to see games use more CPU power. I mean, I almost everyone has a
dual core at this point. I think a lot of particularly gamers and enthusiasts
are moving to quad cores. Um, why don't
we have a seriously physics-based game where there's an entire CPU dedicated to
just making everything a simulation as opposed to pre-rendered or whatever
else? I mean, yeah, it's consoles holding us back,
but yeah, I'm that's what I'm more excited about than anything else. That
and virtual reality. Um, we talked about it uh either last week or the week
before, but there's a VR headset coming that looks really really cool. So, I
mean, I think gaming's in a bit of a funk right now for the last few years,
but I'm yeah, really excited about some of the things that are coming. 3D, not
so much, but VR and more physics. Super
excited about a 670 for the win. I have
enough money to get a second 670 or TJ7B. What should I get? You know what?
I can't make that decision for you. Um, if you feel like it's worthwhile
investing in an expensive case, then that is the call that you have to make.
Personally, why did I buy a TJ7? I bought a TJ07. Well, my wife, now now
wife, then girlfriend bought it for me. Uh because I really wanted one and it
was very, very generous of her. Why did I get a TJ7? Because I knew that 5 years
down the line, I would still be using that chassis. I wouldn't want anything
different. I knew that already. I still think it's the best chassis on the
market once you do the appropriate mods to make it a little bit more functional.
Um, so if you're willing to commit to a
case that way, then go for it. Otherwise, I find it very hard to
justify spending so much on a case when there are great options like something
like a Define R4 window that don't cost nearly as much. I mean, you could buy a
Defin R4 window, save a pennies from a couple, you know, one more paycheck and
buy yourself both as opposed to buying something like a TJ07. So, it is
definitely a niche part. Um, and it's
totally up to you. whether something you want to do that.
Chase asks if I've decided to stream the assembly of my rig. I might, I might not
because it's probably going to take me something like yeah 8 to 10 hours
straight because I'll be making some custom wires and cables. I'll be
splicing some stuff, sleeving some stuff at the last minute as I go. So, I
haven't really decided if it makes sense, but if you guys like the idea, then let me know and uh and I'll think
about it. I live in Quebec and there's no places to try keyboards. Any tips?
because I'm looking for a switch to type and game. Get browns. Browns or blacks
are good bets. Uh, personally, I like blues for gaming. I got no problem with
that. Um, they're all good. Mechanical is just better than membrane in every
possible way. I would like to use static link aggregation. Could you tell me more
about it and how to set it up with your router? Uh, it's not a router feature.
It's actually a switch feature. So, if you don't have a managed switch of some
sort that supports LCP, then you aren't doing that.
Also, it probably won't really matter because here's something to understand
about link aggregation that I didn't when I first got started with the the
quad gigabit
uh nit cards. I thought I was going to get 4 Gbit per second pointtooint.
That's not how it works. It's actually not adding more top speed, but adding
more lanes to the highway, if you get what I mean. So it's more like four one
gigabit streams versus a single 4
gigabit stream. So that means you could have four computers pulling one gigabit
off that computer all at the same time. Or if one of the connection goes down,
you'll have 3 GB total and it'll be a fail safe and everything will still
work. But you can't just have one
computer pulling off another one at 4 Gbit per second. So it doesn't really
matter for consumer use. That's why I ended up looking into uh uh looking into
whatever it's called.
Um right, 10 gigabit as opposed to something like 4
gigabit. So, let's
see. Here we go. Ryan says, "Lion, the
vid you just put up says December 14th."
Oops. Hey, hopefully that doesn't keep too many people from joining. You know
what? Let's take some newer questions. And I think I had a couple of live
stream topics tonight, but again, like I said, I can't Oh my goodness. I can't
leave Slick to entertain you guys in the meantime. What's your opinion on the
Korean rebranded Apple 27in Cinema Displays? I'm not aware of rebranded
Apple 27inch cinema displays. I'm aware of a minus panel LG IPS monitors that
are 2560 by 1440. Uh they're cheap,
which is good. They're cheap, which is
good. They're high-res, which is good. They're IPS, which is good. These are all good things. The things I'd worry
about are things like warranty support. Uh things where you're not going to get
a return for it, like backlight bleeding around the edges. These are A minus
panels, so the odds of getting a dead pixel. However many accounts you find on
the internet of people saying they didn't get one, the odds are better than
if you bought an A+ panel or an A panel, which is what you'll generally find in a
retail product. So, what's my opinion? They're cheap. if I was going to buy I
sure wish they'd make one without a glossy bezel. I was even looking into
them. I was like, "Well, I could use uh I could use a surround 27inch gaming
setup." And then I was just like, "Oh, they all have glossy bezels." I really
want to do a project over the next little bit where I actually take the bezels off of three monitors, mount them
on one of those XFXinity stands, and have like a bezelless multimonitor
setup. But that's the kind of thing that it'll be a little while before I can uh
before I can get that going. I still have to actually manage to finish building my computer. So yeah,
everything was working except his motherboard. Now the new motherboard is causing it to not post. Okay, well then
you might have a problem with your motherboard. Chris, uh, blues are the
loudest. Liam, is the 3970X worth buying
for a YouTube commentator? Like video rendering every day, maybe 3D and best
silent case. Define R4 window gets my vote for like just being a freaking
awesome case in general. Very, very quiet. Uh, 3970X, of course, it's not
worth it. I mean, do you even need me to tell you that? Just look at the specs.
It's like best case scenario like 10% faster than a 3930K and it costs like
what 2x. So, I don't know. Worth it? I don't
know. I mean, if it's your job and you make money doing it and you want to spend a,000 bucks, you want to have an
extreme edition, you want to have like a, you know, like a prestige piece, go
for it. Buy an extreme edition. Um, but if you're looking for bang for the buck,
buy a 3930K, overclock it. There you go.
You've got extreme edition performance pretty much within sort of margin of
error because it has about three megs less cache. Um they can overclock to
pretty much the same speed though. They're otherwise the same chip. They
are the same actual die. It's just a bin
process. Um and then if you run an even better value, you get a 3770K which
unless you're leveraging those other two cores will actually perform better than
a 3930K or a 3970X.
When is NCX opening in Montreal? Um,
probably not anytime soon would be my guess. There's a lot of laws around sort
of having a physical presence in Montreal where the the the laws don't
apply to you if you're not there, but they do apply to you if you are there
and you have to have like French on all your packaging and blah blah blah. Like,
I just super doubt it. Um, NCX already ships to Montreal. There's free shipping
promotions all the time. So yeah, I don't really see a compelling
reason to have a store there. Need a recommendation for a 750 watt power
supply, modular and easy to sleeve. Saw the EVG at a very attractive price. What
are you saying? Um, you know what? You know who does really easy to sleeve
power supplies? The Silverstone because they always do a onetoone connector. Uh,
they're modular cables are one cable to one cable, so you can easily resleve
them in a different color if you want. That's something that while the sleeving
on the Strider 1000 Plus, for example, is not the best I've ever seen, as a lot
of the commenters noted on the unboxing, um, it's not a bad power supply by any
stretch. It's efficient, it's small, so it's compact, it's going to fit in the
SG9 build that we're planning, and it is
very easy to sleeve if you want to do individual sleeings. So, there you go.
That would be that would be a good recommendation. Silverstone Plus and not
that expensive either. Fancy Cash works great apparently. Awesome. Single sleeve
power supply tutorial. Didn't manage to find one. Uh, I have that mixed in with
some of my personal rig updates, but honestly, I'm not the best at it. I
think there's some good guides on hard OCP,
particularly. How does the system
sound? Good. With SSD, get an I don't know, get
an M4. Get a Neutron GTX. Actually, we have a new SSD update coming on the NCX
Tech Tips channel soon where basically we discover that the Vector, the Neutron
GTX, the M5P from Plexor, and presumably
the 840 Pro are all kind of within spitting distance of each other. So, buy
whatever you want that makes you happy and looks cool and enjoy
it. Watching the live stream, setting up my Prodigy build. Oo, very nice. 3570K,
16 gigs, 680 signature, water cooled.
Very cool. Uh, the Black Widow Ultimate does use TriamX blue switches. I know,
but there's a Black Widow not Ultimate. That's what I was talking about. I don't
believe that one uses blue switches. Stream the build. All right, sounds
good. Just have some music. All
right. The first time seeing you live. I really like your YouTube tech tips.
Thank you. Thank you for watching. It helps a lot. Where can I test the
different types of Cherry MX keys? Really? Friends who have them? That's
about all you can really do. I mean, you can watch something like I did a
mechanical keyboard shopping guide on the NCX tech tips channel. You can watch
that. I try to give you guys a pretty good idea of the different feels, but
it's the kind of thing where unless you've tried it yourself, it's very hard
to to do sort of online. Um,
yeah. Uh, you know what? I think this is
a better topic for when Slick is here to sort of discuss it with me. So, I'm
going to leave that one for now.
Uh 75 degrees. Yeah, that's fine. Stream everything. Okay, got it.
What are your thoughts on water cooling kits? I think something like an H100 or
H100i makes a lot of sense because it has a dual radiator. I've never been a
big fan of single rad water cooling kits
for one reason. They're expensive. Well,
they're not super expensive. I mean, this is about a hundred bucks, which is
expensive, but it's not like, you know, going to make you break make you or
break you. Um, but I beyond clearing up
space around the CPU socket and looking really good, they don't offer anything
compelling over a high-end air cooler, which will actually perform better than
a pre-done water cooler. So, something like an H100 or H100i, that's ruler of
the roost. That's about as good as it gets in terms of performance because you
have all that surface area. You got two fans, they are both cooling it and doing
awesome work and everything is good. Better even than a Silverero Extreme.
Silver Extreme destroyed the H8I in my testing. So, that's all I really need to
know about it. Why am I spending so much on this if it actually doesn't perform
as well as a high-end air cooling solution? Not to mention that high-end
air cooling solutions can be more flexible in some ways. My wife's
machine, if you check out my personal project, wife computer or something like
that, has a Silverero non-extreme in it that I'm actually using to passively
cool the CPU. So, she's got a 980X in
there. So, that's an Extreme Edition six core last generation Golf Town. Uh,
she's got a 5870 that has an aftermarket
cooler on it. Also a thermal right cooler with a 120 mil fan. So, there's
only three fans in this machine. There's one in the back of the case blowing
inward towards that tower heat sink, which is enough to keep it cool under
load. No overclocking, mind you. There's the 5870 fan, which is spinning at like
600 RPM or something like that. So, it's very, very quiet and keeps that card
cool even under full firmark load. Um, I had it turned around the the wrong way
for a bit. That wasn't very smart. If I'd had the fan speed cranked up, it
might have been okay, but I got had to turn that back around. And then there's the power supply fan. Super silent
machine. Uh, couldn't do it with something like an H80 because you'd have
a pump and you would need another fan on
the back. So, you haven't managed to actually eliminate any noise sources.
Whereas with a tower heat sink in a passive mode, you've managed to eliminate at least one fan from the
system. So there, that's my take on that. Love to watch the live stream.
Okay. How much do you think is a normal price for a high-end case? I don't know,
man. It's called Google. Google highend here. You know what? Why don't we do
this just for ls? Oh. Oh, I screwed up. There we
go. Hi.
Lunatic high-end iPhone case. Oh, we
better be more specific.
Computer. Aha. High-end computer case. Best high-end gaming case. Solved
on Tom's hardware. I am looking for a
high-end gaming case. Blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah. Something something something. First one looks decent. Okay. Something
something. Ah, someone linked to
Newegg. A high-end case. Look at that. It's a
TJ7. Oh, what happened to it? It went away. Boo. Boo. TJ7BW
discontinued. Whatever. It's like 350 bucks. So, there. That answers your
question. TJ07 is a high. Actually, I didn't stage that you guys, just so you
know. TJ07 is a high-end case and it's about 350 bucks.
Stream the build. Stream the build. Stream the build. Stream the build. Got
it. Okay, I got it. I got it. I got it. What do you recommend as a replacement
for Infinity? Infinity. Um, Infinity is just
uh AMD's branding for running triple monitors and surround. So, there's
NVIDIA Surround, which is not quite as easy to set up as affinity, and then
there's Infinity. So, that's that's it.
Uh, is the 39. Oh, yeah. Okay, I already saw that one. Best CPU temperature
monitoring software. I use Realtemp. I really like it. What's a
quick recommendation you could give us for a good budgeted video editing rig?
3770K. 16 to 32 gigs of RAM. MATX board.
Keep it nice and small. SSD for
boot. Another different drive for scratch. Yeah. Okay. I want to get an
SSD, but don't want to spend over $100. What's the best? Buy a 120 gig SSD
that's under 100 bucks. Get whatever you want because you're not getting a
premium SSD at that price. So, buy whatever you can get. Just make sure you
get something decent like an M4. Currently, I have a 6870 and I'm
planning to upgrade. Should I get another one to buy? No. Buy a better single card. A lot of people sort of
Okay, here. Think about it this way. When you get a new car, do you buy
another car to run next to it so you can carry more people or do you just sell
your old car and buy a new car? I think most people sell their old car. But a
lot of people seem to have trouble with this whole my video card is outdated.
Um, so you know, I'm gonna replace it and then they just kind of like they
throw it away or something like I don't. It has a trade-in value. Sell your old
graphics card. Find a buddy to buy it. Sell put it on eBay. It doesn't matter.
You can get money back for your graphics card. 6870 is still worth a couple
bucks. So you sell that, you take that money, you buy something better. So,
it's not just as simple as, well, a 6870 will only cost me $100 and a 7950 will
cost me $250, so I'm spending 100 or
250. No, no, you sell your 6870 for 100 bucks. Then you pay an extra 150, you
get something new that's better and faster and current generation and will have longer driver support and all these
other advantages. So, I almost never recommend twinning an older graphics
card. Sell what you have, get something new. Misk is an open source RAM disc
software. Okay, I have a Model M. Very nice. I haven't tried the Unicom.
Although, I had a ModelM that someone gave me and then they took back, so I
was super sad about that. Uh, best headset would be the 7H. That's my
personal favorite. Is it the best best best best? Hard to say. I don't know.
Uh, Plantronics has a new like Game Commander something or other that's like
300 bucks. It looks pretty uber. Haven't tried it yet. But 7H is a great value
for around 100 bucks. Uh, and yes, Oculus VR. That's the virtual reality
thing I was talking about. Since we're on the topic of
games, what are some of your most played? Played a lot of Left 4 Dead.
Played Far Cry all the way through a couple times. Uh, played Crisis all the
way through. Final Fantasy 6, I've played through sort of a half a dozen,
10 times. Um, six is the
best. It truly is. Seven is not better than six. Um, I don't know what else.
Played a lot of TIE Fighter when I was a kid.
opinions on passive silent CPU coolers. I think I talked about this a fair bit
uh right after he asked that question. So, I'm going to leave that one for now.
What PC case would you guys buy to get the best included cooling per dollar?
I'd probably get something from like a half series, like a half 912, something like that. How much do you think is a
normal price for a case? Oh, man. Is the
3970 There's a repeat. Okay, let's go
back up to the top. No. No, I don't think so. As much as
Gabe Newell wants it
to. Okay. 168 new interactions. Awesome. You
know what? If you guys give me just one moment, I'm going to see if I can find
any of the topics that I wanted to do tonight. So, live stream topic. No,
that's a stupid topic. Um, oh, shoot.
Right. I forgot about this. I have a giveaway for tonight. It is
only for live stream watchers,
viewers, and I don't remember how I was planning
to do it. Let me just find the email where we
talked about it. I cannot find it. Oh,
please tell me it's there. Uh
I am giving away a copy of Windows 8. I
don't actually know what version of Windows 8. I I I don't really know
anything. Why don't we do a Microsoft
trivia thing and the first one Aha. The
first one to tweet the correct
answer is the winner of a copy of Windows 8.
So, I'm going to go with one of my personal favorite little bits of
Microsoft trivia because it has to do with my hometown. And I'm going to ask
I'm not going to give you guys many hints. Okay. So, you're going to win
Windows 8. Oh. Oh. Oh, right. And you got to go to here. Hold on. Hold on. I'm
going to find there's a YouTube channel. There's a collaborative effort going on
to bring you guys this giveaway. So, look at Slick. There he is. Uh, so Timmy
Tech TV, I think.
Uh yeah, I want to leave this page. Hold on. Timmy TechTV. So this
giveaway is sponsored by Timmy Tech TV. Um so we're getting Oh, wait. Okay,
there you go. Look at that. He has a video about it. Let's watch the
video. D intro. Moving right along.
Timmy TechTV and Linus Tech Tips.
All right. I don't know what he says, but it's probably pretty good. So,
basically, I have decided that the first
person, guys, be ready. Be ready on Twitter. If you're not following on Twitter, then that's really just too bad
for you. Um, you know, I'm sorry you don't like Twitter or Twitter, you know,
burned your dog or something, but uh that's how you're going to
win. What was the code
name for Windows
Vista based on? Oh, and guys, to win, you got to be
subscribed to me. You got to be subscribed to Timmy TechTV. So guys, do
check out his
videos. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Yeah, I know what the code name was. What? Why
was that the code name? What was it actually based on? Okay, so let's go
back to
Twitter. You win a copy of Windows
8. Okay. Yeah, no one got it before that. And yes, that is a ThinkGeek
sticker in the back. I don't remember where it is, but it's somewhere back there. Yeah, it's on my external DVD
drive. This uh this question is pretty pretty
close to my heart.
Yeah. No, no, none of this is right. No,
none of this is right. Oh, hold on. Okay, let's see if Oh, let's see if Oh,
no. Sasha's not first. Hold on. Hold on. Uh, what? Oh, jeez. This isn't very
accurate. Can't hear your videos. So,
yeah, Longhorn. Longhorn. Yeah, it was Longhorn, but that's not that's not why.
Oh, Suki, I don't know if I can let you
have that one because it is
not Yeah. Yes. It's not specific enough.
Not specific enough. Yes. The Longhorn Saloon is in Whistler, BC, which is very
near to where I live. But the first person to say the Longhorn Longhorn Bar.
Oh crap. I don't know if we've actually I don't know if we got a correct answer.
I might have to come up with something else. I'm going to have to see. Okay.
So, the Hold on. Time is now 10:13. So, anyone who anyone who comes up with it
Yeah. No, it's not the Longhorn Horn Bar. It is the Longhorn Saloon, folks.
Let's see if anyone came up with that before we ran out of uh before I gave
away the answer here.
Shoot. Yeah. No. No. Yeah. Sorry, guys.
I I cannot I cannot let that uh cannot
let that happen. Longhorn barn is not or
barn Longhorn bar is not good enough. It is the Longhorn saloon needed a specific
answer. Okay, so let's come up with
something
else. Let's make this one easier just for just for ls actually. Let's make
this one B. The first person to answer this viewer's question. So, this was
this was from a previous or this Twitter Twitter respondent's question is going
to win a copy of Windows 8. So, I had someone say,
"Linus, I uh I recently upgraded my
memory in my system. I put in I put in a whole new kit of memory. I've got 32
gigs of RAM. It's showing up in the BIOS. Um, but unfortunately in my OS, I
only see 16 gigs.
I can only use 16 gigs. What's the problem? The first person to tweet me
the correct answer to that
problem wins a copy of Windows 8,
assuming that they are subscribed to me and Timmy TechTV. Holy crap. 20 new
interactions. Uh, go down, go down, go down, go down. I need a specific answer
here, guys. Specific answer.
Yep. Blah blah blah blah blah blah. Yep. Yep. Yep. Nope. 32-bit is not the
problem. 32-bit would not show 16 gigs of memory. You'd be limited to three or
four. Not correct. Not correct. Not correct.
Upgrade Windows is not specific enough for me. Devon, what version of Windows
is he running? Home Edition. Not going to
accept that either. Windows Premium. Nope. Sorry.
I'm looking for the specifically correct answer. Twitter laziness will not work.
See, again, this this is correct, but oh man, you guys you guys are killing me
here. Why hasn't anyone tweeted
me? Oh, see there,
finally the RAM. Okay, you know what? Actually, I think that one came in
before I said anything. Hold on. Hold on. Going down. Going down. Okay. 32-bit
versus 64-bit is not right. So, let's go all the way up. I'm
looking for the first person to say that he's running Windows Home Premium.
Windows Home
Premium. Windows version does not. Okay,
Ryan, I think you're the first one.
Windows 7 Home Premium is the pro. I don't like the way you guys are
answering these though. I kind of kind of hate it where it's just not complete
sentence answers and it's like sort of
random and
crappy. Okay, I tell you what, I'll let Twitter decide. Ryan's the first one
that actually managed to say what OS he was running and what was the problem,
but he didn't say what the solution was.
Whereas I saw one further up
here. Okay, hold on. Where is it? Only
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. No, I thought I saw one that said
upgrade from Windows 7 Home Premium to Windows 7
Pro. Okay, fine. Let's go. Let's go between Kian who says upgrade your
Windows Oh, hold on. Windows Premium, not Pro. Okay, let's find the first
person who didn't really sort of say it right. and then we'll we'll go for Ryan
being the person who actually called it the the correct thing. So, here we go.
First person who had the correct idea but didn't really say it
right.
Um, okay. So, I want you guys to tell me, should it be Devon or Ryan? Because
Devon said upgrade Windows, but see, no. You know what? No, I can't accept that
because he could have meant 32 versus 64-bit. Let's go with Jason. Jason or
Ryan, Windows Home Edition is the problem. But Ryan actually calls it the
right thing because home edition is not a Windows 7 product. That is a Windows
XP product. Windows XP Home Edition. And
if it was Windows XP Home Edition, it would not be 64-bit and it would not
have 16 gigs of RAM being recognized in it. That's why I don't like these
inexact answers because I don't know if you guys actually know what the problem
is. So, I'll let I'll let Twitter decide
and we will go from there. Holy crap, Twitter's exploding. You guys saved. You
got Okay. Okay. Twitter has decided. Ryan is the winner. So, Ryan, uh, please
send me an email at Linus techtips@gmail.com and we will we will
go with it. So, for next week, I want you guys to be as precise as possible in
your answers. I am going to be doing Windows 8 giveaways sponsored by Timmy
Tech TV. So, guys, don't forget that YouTube channel where you want to go
here. There you go. youtube.comtimite oh you can't see
ittimmy TV that is the actual sponsor of
these Windows 8 giveaways so make sure you're subscribed to him make sure
you're following him for any future updates and Ryan send me an email I will
arrange to get you a Windows 8 CD key you'll have to figure out where to get
media on your own but that's not the part that costs money um and thank you
everyone for playing and thanks for you know watching the live stream yay so I'm
glad I didn't forget about that and I'll come up with I Instead of trying to
think of questions on the spot next week, I will uh I will come up with uh I
will come up with questions ahead of time. I had totally forgotten about it.
Lus, I know you have a motorbike. I have an SV
650S. Okay. Blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah. Yeah, Dan, you were after you were after the other guy. Okay. Better
luck next week, Dan. I'm sorry.
Uh,
okay guys, remember this is just for
fun. Just for fun, everyone. Oh, yeah. That's a good idea. Jeff Ryan, tweet at
me so that I know that it's the right
person. Tam TechTV is not stealing Windows 8 copies. Geez, whatever
happened to the Cougar power supply? I still use it on one of my test benches.
4 gig 670 or 2 gig 680. 4 gig 670 for
high-res, so above 1080p. 2 gig 680 for
1080p. Cooler Master Iceberg hopefully coming soon you
guys. Um, I work out of the head office
in Richmond, not the Aberdine store.
Head office, different thing. If my primary monitor is 120 Hz, can I
duplicate my screen at lower hertz? Yes, you can. No problems at all. thinking
about getting a G75 or a GT70. Which is better? Honestly, for me, gaming
notebooks come down to spec, especially when you compare two solid brands like
ASUS and MSI. They're both good notebooks. Buy whichever one is slightly
faster or is on promo or whatever else. What do I think of a Roseill 550 watt
power supply? Who cares? No offense if Paul's
watching. Uh, is there going to be another tech in 2013? Potentially. I
don't know of any plans for a specific date or anything like that, but Viet
says, "I never see my tweets on your live stream." I'm sure glad that you
wasted your tweet uh telling me that. I'm sure you're glad,
too. All right, let's go ahead and uh scroll back up here and see if we got
any more tweets. Thanks for bearing with me on the whole just Q&A style video
tonight, you guys. I know it might not have been as interesting as having Slick
U hosting with me, but like I said, he is he is
super he is super uh super sick. So
um here we go. Live stream topics. Ah
yes, this was a good question. I had someone uh tweet twitter me, tweet me,
tweet me asking why is it that my graphics card has
GDDR5 and my computer system does not
use GDDR5. So a couple different things.
Number one is graphics memory has a completely different set of requirements
from desktop PC memory. So this one is
just sort of my general understanding, but I my understanding is that PC
desktop memory has to have a higher degree of accuracy, a higher degree of
precision than something like graphics memory. If a mistake is made on a
graphics card and there's some kind of a bit flipped or whatever else goes wrong,
it is maybe you have a pixel that's discolored. Whereas if it happens with
your system memory and something critical in the OS was happening there,
the whole thing goes down. So there's that. Number two is graphics memory has
always been kind of ahead of of desktop
memory because you don't have to deal with a socketed slot. So because you can
solder it right to the board, it interfaces much more directly. The line
the traces are cleaner. You have fewer points of failure. So that's all good.
Can run at much higher clock speeds and it is optimized for bandwidth.
Bandwidth. Bandwidth. Bandwidth. Remember guys, bandwidth and latency are
not the same thing. Turning clock speeds up can improve both of them. But if you
need to push through like shed loads of data, then you build yourself a
completely custom memory interface. That's another thing is the memory
interfaces required for these kinds of more advanced memory are not available
on the desktop yet. You build yourself a super wide memory interface. You solder
chips directly to your board and then you clock them to high hell and back and
you will get a ton of bandwidth. They've also optimized GDDR which is different
from DDR. They've optimized GDDR memory for not necessarily great latencies, but
for fantastic throughput. So that means
that if you have to draw a complex scene or you have to store a bunch of textures
in it and get them out really really fast to draw scenes on the screen, it's
great for that. However, if it was something where you know you get um I
Okay, sorry my my brain's kind of tired. It's been a long week. um something
where you need to reach just one bit of data very very fast, lower latency is
better. And as we move towards sort of higher and higher frequencies and more
and more bandwidth, latencies are actually getting worse as opposed to
getting better. DDR3 has more latency than DDR2, but it's compensated for by
better integrated memory controllers and all that stuff. So, we just need to wait
for the desktop to catch up. We also don't really need the bandwidth on the
desktop. I can't think of many scenarios where the desktop actually even benefits
from going from dual channel to quad channel. I mean, look it up, guys.
There's not a lot of benefit and we're literally doubling the bandwidth, which
is all you're going to do by adding GDDR5 to to a desktop machine. So, I
hope that sort of answers the question. I don't think I got that across as
clearly as I was hoping, but uh there you go.
Okay. Oh, yeah. And anyone who's emailing me saying that they won when
actually they didn't won and they're and I'm not going to be verifying them, like
seriously, grow up.
Um, live stream
topic. Oh, here's a cool one. Oh, yeah.
So Samsung just acquired Envel or Envo
or Nve. So those are the guys who do the dataex caching software that's in use in
products like the uh Corair. Oh shoot,
what is it? Whatever the OCZ Synapse, so caching solution, the Crucial
Adrenaline, and the Oh, see now I want to now I want to remember
Corsair. Ah crap, I can't remember what it's called, but they're caching SSD.
Um, so those guys do basically there's
nothing special about a Synapse SSD. It's just an SSD. There's nothing
special about an Adrenaline. It's just an M4. That's all it is. It's got a
special firmware. It comes with a key for the Datallex software. So the
Datalex software is dynamically loading
your most frequently used data into an SSD off of a hard drive so that you can
get basically SSD speeds off of the data
that you access the most. and then you can fall back on the hard drive for mass
storage when things sort of overflow
from the SSD. It doesn't have the same kinds of limitations as something like
Intel's SRT, smart response technology
um because it doesn't limit you to only a 64 gig SSD or less, which is really
cool. But oh yeah, and it doesn't lock you down to a Z68 or Z77 platform, which
is also cool. But now that Samsung owns
it, I think it's going to be very interesting time for the overall SSD
caching market. It it's not something that's really taken off. I mean, it's
the kind of thing where consumers, they don't trust it. But then you put a
laptop that has even like a 16 gig or 32 gig SSD cache in it in a consumer's
hands and you tell them it has a hard drive, they kind of go, "Oh yeah, this is like way faster. This is way better."
So yeah, I'm not sure how that affects guys like uh guys like an OCZ who are
licensing the software, but I can tell you right now it's very exciting for
someone like Samsung. I mean, remember Samsung spun off their hard drive
business to I believe it was Seagate, although I really hope I'm not wrong
about that. So Samsung designs and fabs
nan flash and controllers. They're they're an SSD builder. They're
affiliated with a hard drive builder that's already been pushing
the boundaries on integrated, you know, SSD caching solutions on consumer hard
drives with the Momentous XT line. And all of a sudden, they've got this new
software sort of and these these new staff. They're keeping all the staff, so
they're keeping the company intact. They've got this fresh blood coming in
that might be able to help everyone have better ways to integrate all these
things together. So, I personally believe SSD caching is going to be huge
for the future and I'm really really excited to see what comes out of it, but
I don't know what it means in terms of the competitive landscape. So, I would
worry a little bit about that. So, that's someone I that's something I had
someone ask me about. Trying to decide between iPad and Surface. What do I
think about RT? Should I wait for the Pro? Pro is going to run hotter. It's
going to have less battery life by about half, which kind of kills the whole
tablet experience for me. Um, if I was
buying a tablet tomorrow, depends. If it's an entertainment device, if I'm
just going to play games on it and I'm going to watch movies, I'd probably get an iPad. If I'm actually going to try
and do any work on it, Surface, hands down. Surface RT
done. For the giveaway, you should think about random tech questions because
everyone is going to study Windows questions. That's fine. Go study Windows questions. You'll have a better chance
to win. It's good. Uh, what do you think of the Kraken as a closed loop cooler
compared to the H100i? I will be testing it soon and I will let you guys know.
I'm also planning to put myself together like a a pretty inexpensive uh custom
water cooling loop and throw that in there just to see how much further ahead
it is versus something like an H100i. I'm not expecting it to be that
different because we're mostly radiator limited when you only have a dual 120
mil rad. Do I ever try what? Kihi with feta
cheese. No, I think you mean
Kiwi A65400 K or A105800 K for general
gaming performance. Eh, both of those
are pretty meh. If you want to actually game, then get like a, you know, an
FX4100 and a video card. Um, if you want
to run onboard, then I'd get the A10
probably. Happy New Year's. Not yet. Not yet, but it will be New Year's before I
have another live stream. So, there you go. You know what? I think that's pretty
much all I can do for tonight, guys. I had forgotten how hard this is to do
without a co-host. So, thank you all for tuning in. And don't forget, we do live
streams on Friday nights, my time at 9:00. And don't forget to subscribe to
Linus Tech Tips for all your favorite unboxings, reviews, and other computer
videos and cats and Twinkies and Oh, wait. I forgot. No,
no, there's one more thing I have to do tonight. So you guys can stick around for it or not, but the AR drone video
that I posted over a year ago with the AR drone
1 has officially got more than 1 million
views on YouTube, which means that the
AR drone itself has earned a place
on the wall of legends.
And I hate putting these hooks up in
front of you all because last time I had
some problems and then y'all made fun of me. But I'm going to do it anyway
without a spotter this time. So, you know, things are going to get things are
going to get pretty real before this is over. Pretty real, pretty dangerous. So,
let's go ahead and find a nice place to put the AR drone V1. So, that's my
second video. the only one on the Linus Tech Tips channel that's gotten over a
million views on the YouTubes. So, that's very very exciting for us
YouTubers. We're we're into the whole like views thing. That makes us pretty
happy. So, let's go ahead and hang it kind of here, which means I'm going to
need to put a thing in sort of here.
Okay, I'm not doing any more Q&A for the rest of the night. So, if you guys are
if you guys find this boring, then feel free to tune out.
Okay. Yes, I know these hooks are a bad solution. Yes, I know they're destroying
my pegboard, but I'm committed to it now. So, here we
go. You can never say
that I'm not committed to ideas, even if
they're bad, once I commit to them. I
would never have that said about me. They're really hard to put in
because it just starts picking up the uh the pegboard.
rather than just sort of going into the wall nicely. So there you go. Hook
one for the AR drone. And then hook two
will go probably right about here. Right
about maybe maybe let's go. Let's go there. Okay.
It's going to go right there. Where's my duck?
Thank you guys. Without you, I obviously can't get a million views on anything,
so I appreciate that. You got to be kidding me. Did I hit a stud
again? I realized that's why I was having so much trouble with that other
one last time. Oh, no. I don't think I did. I think it's
okay. I had someone at work bugging me about these hooks the next day after I
did my first hook hanging thing where I put up this video card.
You know what? Whatever you
guys. All right, there we go. Parad Drone. You haven't even been able to see
any of this the whole time. I just realized that. Parad Drone has been
added to the legendary wall with the
video card that also has a million views, the air drone with a million
views, and the axe, which oh, I mean, zombies, right? You never know when
you're going to need an axe. Especially in Canada, I might have
to like chop down some trees and stuff. Good night, everyone.