WEBVTT 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:06.960 what do you get when you drag race seven pre-built gaming PCs from Dell HP main 00:00:04.680 --> 00:00:13.519 gear star for genz C by power and cyber power you get secret shopper part 4 so 00:00:10.519 --> 00:00:16.520 far we've talked shopping shipping 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:18.880 support and now it's time for 00:00:16.520 --> 00:00:22.760 performance who gave us the best bang for the bucket $1,500 in this 00:00:21.240 --> 00:00:26.279 installment we'll be looking at pre-installed bloatware BIOS 00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:31.119 configurations is anyone leaving performance on the table with a bad 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:33.600 config Cooling and of course straight up 00:00:31.119 --> 00:00:39.200 raw gaming horsepower we'll also be looking at who sponsored this whole 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:41.600 series ug green and their nexo Pro 100 W 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:47.760 charger with 100 watts of supercharging it'll take your 14-in MacBook Pro from 0 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:49.719 to 86% in just 60 minutes and with three 00:00:47.760 --> 00:00:54.079 USB ports you can charge up to three devices at once but enough about 00:00:51.480 --> 00:01:00.440 charging devices for now I want to talk to you about our old friend Dell when we 00:00:57.039 --> 00:01:03.000 unboxed the XPS 8950 night Sky we 00:01:00.440 --> 00:01:08.040 noticed that there was both a 1-year on-site service warranty and onee of 00:01:05.600 --> 00:01:13.840 accidental damage protection we chalked this up at the time to them both being 00:01:10.720 --> 00:01:15.600 included but the thing is Shay said no 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:20.680 to the extra warranty that was suggested for an additional $69 Canadian dollars 00:01:18.360 --> 00:01:27.720 and after investigating further it turns out that it wasn't included there was a 00:01:23.880 --> 00:01:31.159 charge on our invoice for it it was only 00:01:27.720 --> 00:01:34.360 $546 so we got a discount account but we 00:01:31.159 --> 00:01:36.799 never agreed to it so any points that we 00:01:34.360 --> 00:01:40.479 gave Dell earlier in the series for not forcing their warranty down our throat 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:45.200 were unwarranted that's right Dell screwed us 00:01:43.399 --> 00:01:50.479 again and you'll soon see that it was in more ways than one the Windows 11 home 00:01:47.960 --> 00:01:55.280 and BIOS versions were from mid-march the chipset driver was from late 2021 00:01:53.320 --> 00:01:59.960 and our graphics driver was from mid November 00:01:56.680 --> 00:02:02.520 2022 I am now 100% sure that we were we 00:01:59.960 --> 00:02:06.799 getting some cleared out old stock which isn't inherently a problem just 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:10.759 something to watch for if you're buying a Dell to ensure that all of our 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:15.200 Hardware in the series is putting its best foot forward we updated all the 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:22.000 software and drivers enabled XMP memory tuning and enabled resizable bar on all 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:24.360 of our systems or at least most of them 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:29.519 I'm sad to say that not only did Dell not have either of these two performance 00:02:26.519 --> 00:02:32.239 enhancers turned on but XMP isn't even 00:02:29.519 --> 00:02:38.040 an option on this motherboard and adding insult to injury the included jde 4800 00:02:35.720 --> 00:02:44.280 megat transfer per second cl40 kit was running at just 4400 megat transfers per 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:46.560 second with no way to change it so 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:50.440 that's what we were stuck with we did find some highlights as we went through 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:54.840 the system in more detail the dam cached Samsung drive that Dell uses is A Cut 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:59.360 Above the competition but looking into their power supply we were very 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:06.040 disappointed by our upgrade options it's a ply 460 W 80 plus bronze unit so 00:03:03.239 --> 00:03:11.799 certainly enough for our 12700 and 360 TI today but no more and because it uses 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:15.440 a custom power connector swapping it out for something else is going to be 00:03:13.440 --> 00:03:21.400 challenging we were also very disappointed by the included cooler it 00:03:18.519 --> 00:03:25.840 sucks and it's really hard to upgrade thanks to the M3 threaded back plate 00:03:23.200 --> 00:03:29.799 that is built into the case moving on to cyber power we're lucky this thing still 00:03:27.720 --> 00:03:34.439 boots after what sheay put it through they 100% lost the tech support 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:38.480 challenge but hey at least they didn't charge us extra for their three years 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:42.120 labor one-year Parts warranty and we got a free month of Xbox game pass along 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:45.560 with our mouse and keyboard software updates weren't awful either with our 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:50.200 graphics driver being very current and our BIOS just a couple of months old 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:55.480 Windows and our Intel chipset could have been better at mid to late 2022 but we 00:03:53.239 --> 00:04:00.319 consider that to be acceptable a nice touch is that both XMP and resizable bar 00:03:58.200 --> 00:04:06.599 were enabled out of the box but what's not so nice is this single Channel ddr5 00:04:03.640 --> 00:04:12.200 config I kind of rail on this before but I'm going to do it again really cyber 00:04:08.799 --> 00:04:15.360 power I mean at least it's kind of fast 00:04:12.200 --> 00:04:17.880 ddr5 it's just painful seeing them save 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:23.919 like five bucks on single Channel memory only to waste $50 on a Z series 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:25.600 motherboard for a non overclockable CPU 00:04:23.919 --> 00:04:30.000 at least the system is easy to upgrade though with a standard motherboard from 00:04:27.080 --> 00:04:35.960 ASUS that gives us four dim slots lots of m.2 and PCIe expansion including Gen 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:40.880 5 expansion for potential future gpus it's also got a much better power supply 00:04:37.919 --> 00:04:45.360 at 600 watts 80 plus gold so if you do want to upgrade that RTX 460 in the 00:04:42.919 --> 00:04:49.600 future you should be able to our only big issue here aside from that stupid 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:54.759 single Channel memory module is a serious lack of airf flow which is such 00:04:52.160 --> 00:05:00.639 a shame because it has all these fans just impotently spinning behind a sealed 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:06.160 off front panel the good news is that the RTX 4068 gig doesn't get all that 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:11.400 hot but if we were to step up to even a 70 class card I can't guarantee the same 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:17.400 results in the future and forget about the future the CPU is a problem today 00:05:15.080 --> 00:05:21.039 yeah it's liquid cooled but these Intel chips need all the help that they can 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:28.000 get when the motherboard lets them run full bore and this system in cinebench 00:05:23.280 --> 00:05:31.240 20124 had our CPU up to a toasty 100° C 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:33.400 97 average meaning it needs more airf 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:36.840 flow or maybe a bigger radiator if you're going to hit it with heavy 00:05:34.400 --> 00:05:42.039 multicore loads but it should be noted that it was totally fine in games and we 00:05:39.080 --> 00:05:46.720 did buy a gaming PC so we got what we asked for but it's something potential 00:05:43.880 --> 00:05:55.000 buyers should be aware of next up is the PC I'm betting on the HP Omen 40l gt21 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:58.160 and it's not off to a good start Windows 00:05:55.000 --> 00:06:00.120 chipset drivers BIOS and GPU drivers go 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:05.199 as far back as late 2021 so if you buy anything from HP make 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:08.720 sure that you're ready to install a slew of updates before you actually get to 00:06:06.960 --> 00:06:14.160 gaming you're also going to want to enable XMP since that wasn't on by 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:15.599 default but rebar was even though we 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:20.120 couldn't find the setting for it in their custom BIOS in the Box we got a 00:06:17.919 --> 00:06:23.880 keyboard and mouse like almost everyone else if you want to play a fun game you 00:06:21.919 --> 00:06:27.440 can guess who didn't send peripherals leave a comment right now you might end 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:31.280 up surprised we got a warranty card for our one year of coverage that didn't 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:35.560 cost cost extra a quick start guide and uh how to install Windows 11 card I 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:40.000 guess these guys are still shipping Windows 10 systems though based on how 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:45.000 updated it was I can't say I'm not surprised like with Dell we're looking 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:53.080 at an oem motherboard this time for our only AMD CPU the ryzen 7 5800 X non 3D 00:06:49.520 --> 00:06:55.160 but hey it uses a sensible chipset b550 00:06:53.080 --> 00:06:59.440 and it's pretty bog standard both in terms of its layout and its connectors 00:06:57.520 --> 00:07:03.440 allowing for all the usual upgrades including swapping the board out 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:09.160 entirely in the future and continuing to use the case and power supply see it's 00:07:06.520 --> 00:07:14.919 not that hard Dell it doesn't have a ton of PCIe expansion the 11 16x slot is 00:07:12.479 --> 00:07:20.199 already populated though it's by the GPU that I think is going to win this thing 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:21.680 the crown a last gen RTX 370 TI and to 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:25.759 its credit it's got the first power supply that made me say put away that 00:07:23.960 --> 00:07:29.919 sexy new no to Edition Screwdriver from LTT Store.com I don't think you're going 00:07:28.039 --> 00:07:35.479 to be needing it anytime soon it's an 800 W 80 plus gold unit from 00:07:32.840 --> 00:07:39.680 Cooler Master sort of it's made by light on Technologies but then CM SLA their 00:07:37.759 --> 00:07:44.280 sticker on the side and then HP put in their system cable management wasn't 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:48.919 awful the was among the worst of the bunch though I have to give them some 00:07:46.440 --> 00:07:54.280 credit for having an RGB and addressable RGB Hub wired up in the back and three 00:07:51.400 --> 00:07:58.599 total 120 mm fans for decent air flow and pooling performance even if the 00:07:56.080 --> 00:08:02.520 bottom fan basically dumps air straight into the base B where the power supply 00:08:00.840 --> 00:08:05.919 is already taking fresh air in from the bottom anyway so it kind of doesn't 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:11.080 really do anything now it's time to check in on the king iby power walked 00:08:09.440 --> 00:08:16.440 over the competition in our support Challenge and has won the performance 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:18.960 Crown the last two times running it's 00:08:16.440 --> 00:08:25.080 going to be a tougher Road this year the RTX 460 TI in here isn't the better 16 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:31.680 gig variant and our ddr5 is on the slower side running at 5200 megatrans 00:08:27.520 --> 00:08:34.200 per second CL 40 that's over 15 nond of 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:38.880 first word latency at least XMP was enabled out of the box as was rebar but 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:42.919 this was also the only system that didn't arrive with a Windows recovery 00:08:40.800 --> 00:08:46.279 environment this could be because of the technician's instructions during our 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:50.360 support call but I'm still going to have to dock a couple marks cuz they should 00:08:47.800 --> 00:08:54.800 have had us fix it and I'm going to have to dock some marks for another big issue 00:08:52.279 --> 00:09:00.360 with this system this might be more on MSI than it is on IB power but you 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:06.640 cannot for whatever reason reason easily upgrade to a regular MSI BIOS on boards 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:10.519 that are used by System integrators John Evans bc3 MK brought this up in the 00:09:08.959 --> 00:09:15.040 comments on an earlier part of this series after they discovered that they 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:19.399 couldn't use direct memory access on a system from main gear and there was no 00:09:17.079 --> 00:09:24.200 way to run the update from MSI's site that should enable it now we didn't run 00:09:21.760 --> 00:09:28.800 into that but our test technician John did notice that MSI Center wasn't 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:34.279 installed properly so he figured okay easy fix let's just run Clean Center 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:35.600 master from MSI's website didn't work 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:40.120 then he tried uninstalling and reinstalling with three different 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:46.440 versions from MSI the Microsoft store and tpot and no dice we're not sure why 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:50.279 MSI Center seems to be such hot garbage on pre-builts but there are plenty of 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:55.760 other posts complaining about this in one way or another often on laptops this 00:09:53.640 --> 00:10:00.320 is an off-the-shelf board that you could purchase yourself so we don't understand 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:04.240 why this issue is occurring or where it's happening in the chain but buyer 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:08.600 beware until they get this sorted out which should be now MSI now is a good 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:12.880 time we also have a couple of other Hardware complaints mostly to do with 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:18.480 the case and the cooler I mean front air intake who needs it hopefully not you 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:24.680 and what are they doing with this wimpy 92mm Tower cooler I mean it's better 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:27.560 than nothing I guess but why when 00:10:24.680 --> 00:10:32.920 actually good air coolers are so cheap these days it also doesn't help that our 00:10:30.040 --> 00:10:38.720 MSI Motherboard here was set to water cooler mode which gives our 13700 F 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:41.360 access to a whopping 2051 watts of juice 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:47.120 at power limit 1 which is way too much for this piece of junk cooler as 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:49.360 evidenced by our near instant 100° C in 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:53.800 cinebench other than that though they did pretty well tidy cable management 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:57.360 and SSD with a dam cache even if it was on the slower side and BIOS and GPU 00:10:56.040 --> 00:11:02.399 drivers that were only a couple of months old it's also got a 7 50 W 880 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:07.160 plus gold rated power supply which is 50 Watts more than the 700 watt that we 00:11:04.160 --> 00:11:09.040 were supposed to get 3 years labor 1e 00:11:07.160 --> 00:11:13.959 Parts warranty and an RGB keyboard and mouse and an OverWatch 2 Invasion 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:18.360 ultimate bundle hooray they also went with a b760 chipset motherboard which is 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:21.880 more in line with our nonk series processor now I'm going to jump ahead a 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:27.200 little bit here since we were very curious to see how I byw slow memory and 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:33.040 other issues would affect it in productivity and so surprisingly it 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:35.680 turns out not much they won the fastest 00:11:33.040 --> 00:11:41.440 Barber Shop blender render and da Vinci resolve Puget bench extended test 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:45.200 honestly the 46 DTI 8 gig ended up being a Little Engine That Could throughout 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:49.519 all of our testing and the dual fan variant in this system even managed to 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:54.279 stay nice and cool in spite of the abysmal front air intake on this case 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:59.160 now before we get to main gear we've got a word from our sponsor ugen with their 00:11:56.440 --> 00:12:05.600 nexo Pro 65 watt mini you can charge a 13-in MacBook Air from 0 to 70% in just 00:12:02.760 --> 00:12:10.720 60 minutes and with their combination of Gan Infinity chips and air purch they're 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:14.560 able to make this device tiny fitting in the palm of your hand while maintaining 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:19.240 the same output as their previous nexe 65w charger it's also compatible with 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:24.480 all modern smartphones tablets and laptops with support for 45 W Samsung 00:12:21.959 --> 00:12:29.240 super fast charging 2.0 these Gan Infinity chips are also efficient 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:35.000 putting the Green in U green now for another 460 TI build the mg1 gold from 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:40.680 main gear they went with a better air cooler but a lower tier CPU and while 00:12:38.040 --> 00:12:45.040 it's a ddr4 system hey at least the memory is Snappy ddr4 at 3600 megatrans 00:12:43.760 --> 00:12:49.720 per second cl18 everything except for Windows 11 00:12:47.680 --> 00:12:55.399 was pretty up to date and overall it looks super clean with lots of RGB if 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:57.839 you're into that but we have some pretty 00:12:55.399 --> 00:13:04.399 serious complaints once we get under the surface really main gear 512 gigs of 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:08.519 storage in 2023 who do you think you are Apple this is almost as bad as the 00:13:06.959 --> 00:13:12.760 single stick of memory that we saw earlier I mean we darn near filled this 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:16.839 thing up with just our Benchmark Suite XMP was also off so if you want to 00:13:15.160 --> 00:13:21.079 actually take advantage of this decent memory kit make sure you fix that 00:13:18.560 --> 00:13:25.480 yourself and it's got an 80 plus bronze rated power supply compared to the gold 00:13:23.160 --> 00:13:30.600 rating of most of the others there was no included battery in the RGB remote 00:13:27.760 --> 00:13:35.040 and AMD RIS master was pre-installed despite this being an Intel system 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:38.320 that's probably just part of the standard software set that they load on 00:13:36.800 --> 00:13:43.639 to each system for testing before it leaves the warehouse but using the exact 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:47.959 same image across AMD and Intel does come across a little sloppy this one 00:13:46.079 --> 00:13:51.160 also did not come with a keyboard and mouse so you're going to have to 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:56.240 purchase those separately as for what they got right they killed the support 00:13:54.199 --> 00:14:01.240 Challenge and I'm happy to say that their zero bloatware advertisement is 00:13:58.800 --> 00:14:05.240 accurate other than the ryzen master issue that we had cable management is 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:09.360 great we got a Windows recovery USB drive in case we ever need a reset and 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:13.839 there's reasonable air flow with our CPU and GPU staying cool and quiet while 00:14:11.839 --> 00:14:18.000 gaming and testing with this setup you could easily upgrade this I5 to an i7 00:14:16.920 --> 00:14:25.199 down the line except the issue is you're probably 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:27.480 going to want to the 13400 f is okay not 00:14:25.199 --> 00:14:32.360 great and it shows when we get into our cinebench and D resolve testing 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:37.720 surprisingly though probably thanks to the faster memory kit main gear crushed 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:39.839 it during cinebench GPU testing and they 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:45.000 had the second fastest blender render out of the bunch overall not a bad 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:50.519 showing but we're not ready to talk gaming benchmarks yet and uh well no 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:57.440 spoilers at least not until we've talked about NZXT who fell victim to one of the 00:14:53.839 --> 00:15:01.199 classic blunders this time a kseries 00:14:57.440 --> 00:15:03.000 overclocking CPU you on a B series board 00:15:01.199 --> 00:15:07.560 that doesn't support overclocking however that's actually not 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:12.399 nearly as wasteful as the other way around these days now that CPUs are 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:17.920 pretty much overclocked out of the box and these K chips are measurably faster 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:22.480 even on B series boards regardless of any Performance Tuning this system used 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:27.720 all four dim slots which could be a bummer for future upgrades but has 32 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:32.440 gigs of ddr4 running at 3200 megat transfer cl6 SE right out of the box so 00:15:30.079 --> 00:15:36.319 it's less likely to need an upgrade and our GPU driver and BIOS were up to date 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:39.920 with Windows 11 and our chipset being less than a year old we're not sure if 00:15:38.040 --> 00:15:43.480 NZXT partners with them or if it's just a happy coincidence but we've got a lot 00:15:41.800 --> 00:15:46.720 of Gigabyte Hardware in here and considering how Rock Solid they've been 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:51.480 for us recently that was a pleasant surprise and team purple also managed to 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:55.199 add a bunch of extras in the Box including the motherboard pamphlet 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:59.319 original manuals for the power supply air cooler and SSD some extra SATA 00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:04.720 cables a bunch of case and cooler Hardware including an M2 screw and the 00:16:01.920 --> 00:16:10.000 socket cover for the board even the H5 flow case manual okay these aren't 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:11.759 extras but this was probably the most 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:15.680 complete experience out of the entire bunch and the closest to what you'd end 00:16:13.880 --> 00:16:19.480 up with if you bought all of the parts individually and built it yourself the 00:16:18.160 --> 00:16:23.279 only things missing were a mouse and keyboard but as with the rest of them 00:16:22.040 --> 00:16:31.839 these are things that you can choose to add at the time of purchase or just bring your own they've also gone with a 00:16:27.319 --> 00:16:34.560 wdbl SN 582 tbte Drive admittedly that's 00:16:31.839 --> 00:16:40.000 a dless drive but one that performed well enough in our testing and offered 00:16:36.959 --> 00:16:42.759 four times the storage of that main Gear 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:46.360 Drive yes I'm still salty about it our system wasn't bogged down by a ton of 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:50.759 bloatware just the standard Gigabyte software and NZXT Cam and this was some 00:16:49.079 --> 00:16:54.800 of the nicest Cable Management out of the bunch with everything tied up and 00:16:52.920 --> 00:16:59.959 tucked away for a Sleek look unfortunately it's not all sunshine and 00:16:56.920 --> 00:17:02.120 rainbows here XMP wasn't enabled and 00:16:59.959 --> 00:17:06.160 rebar wasn't on meaning you're going to be missing out on some performance if 00:17:03.880 --> 00:17:10.760 you never enable those options yourself to its credit the system stays cool and 00:17:08.360 --> 00:17:14.520 quiet enough but if you wanted to slap a stronger GPU or CPU in here in the 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:19.160 future you're probably going to want to add an extra fan or two at the same time 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:25.360 thankfully it's the flow variant of the H5 case now with perforations so 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:31.559 there'll be some air for those fans to move but what about star Forge at a time 00:17:28.919 --> 00:17:37.360 where the 4060 TI seems to be everywhere The Horizon 2 Prime stood out for having 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:41.799 the only AMD GPU in our Roundup with a 00:17:37.360 --> 00:17:43.360 12 gig 6750 XT that's a lot of vram 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:49.000 especially when everyone's complaining that 8 gigs just playe isn't enough 00:17:45.679 --> 00:17:50.799 anymore and the software wasn't too old 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:55.919 with drivers just a few months out of date and a Windows 11 build from late 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:58.679 September 2022 as for the warranty star 00:17:55.919 --> 00:18:02.320 Forge does include great coverage at two years for the hardware rather than the 00:18:00.360 --> 00:18:07.640 typical one year that we see for other system integrators star Forge was also 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:12.640 the only system to include sexy cable extensions for all three major visible 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:18.400 connectors in their deep cool CG 560 case which subjectively made this our 00:18:15.679 --> 00:18:23.200 nicest looking build though there are some polarizing elements like it or not 00:18:20.520 --> 00:18:29.159 the Deep cool ak400 cooler has the star Forge rocket logo on it which makes the 00:18:26.760 --> 00:18:33.919 system look a little fleshier I mean uh flashier and more custom than some of 00:18:31.679 --> 00:18:38.200 the other systems the only issue I have with any of this is that these extras 00:18:35.960 --> 00:18:41.360 can end up eating up valuable budget that could have been spent on 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:46.240 performance which as I promise we're going to get to very soon I'm happy to 00:18:43.679 --> 00:18:51.240 announce that XMP and rebar were enabled out of the box and there was basically 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:52.919 zero bloatware one minor slip up is it 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:57.919 looks like they didn't prep the system properly as we found a star Forge 00:18:54.640 --> 00:19:00.480 systems folder including a Windows key. 00:18:57.919 --> 00:19:05.520 XML L file and some test software like occt and test driver this is pretty 00:19:03.600 --> 00:19:09.960 minor uh whoever prepped the system seems to have just forgotten the last 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:12.559 step there and it's good to see that they're testing these systems before 00:19:11.280 --> 00:19:18.640 they put them out the door it's just the kind of thing we would like to see cleaned up there were really only two 00:19:16.159 --> 00:19:25.039 major issues the first being that Puget bench Da Vinci did not like this system 00:19:21.679 --> 00:19:27.080 or not sure why could be the AMD GPU it 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:31.320 could be something else it worked fine with every other computer tested but 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:37.400 it's getting a big fat did not finish for that test no matter what we tried 00:19:33.840 --> 00:19:40.559 and the other is just how much the 12400 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:42.480 CPU in the system drags down performance 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:46.480 I mean we know that blender favors NVIDIA so we're not surprised to see 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:51.000 this one lose the render race but what was surprising is just how much of a 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:56.400 difference there was in cinebench with star Forge coming dead last there as 00:19:54.000 --> 00:20:00.120 well but what about the games I mean after all that's why we bought these 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:06.720 computers not to see big numbers in cinch and synthetic workloads well in 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:10.640 cyberpunk 2077 everyone stayed above 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:12.520 that critical 1% low of 60 FPS at 1080p 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:18.880 with HP clearing the second place finisher I by power by a substantial 8% 00:20:16.360 --> 00:20:24.679 looks like I called this one guys what's surprising though is just how close 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:27.840 everyone but Dell and cyber power are 00:20:24.679 --> 00:20:30.840 star Forge NZXT main gear they are all 00:20:27.840 --> 00:20:32.720 within a few FPS of each other not the 00:20:30.840 --> 00:20:37.080 kind of thing that you would notice in day-to-day gameplay and if you bump up 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:42.400 the resolution we get pretty similar rankings f123 sees a similar Podium with 00:20:40.520 --> 00:20:48.360 some minor shuffling in the mid-range at either resolution but both returnal and 00:20:45.360 --> 00:20:52.440 Red Dead Redemption 2 at 1440p see a bit 00:20:48.360 --> 00:20:55.640 of an upset with star forge's RX 6750 XT 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:58.120 system taking second place it's not by 00:20:55.640 --> 00:21:02.919 much and when we scale down to 1080p the they technically lose by 1 FPS and the 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:07.480 1% lows compared to main gear and IB power who have better CPUs but overall 00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:12.320 I'm happy to report that when it comes to gaming your GPU is still the most 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:16.720 important choice you're going to make and it's not a terrible decision to pair 00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:20.640 it even with something like Intel's lowly core 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:25.520 i52400 especially if you're going with a mid to Performance TI your graphics card 00:21:23.600 --> 00:21:31.240 at least as long as you are planning to play heavier AAA games Dota 2 meanwhile 00:21:28.559 --> 00:21:36.559 it's more of a lightweight Esports title and can end up heavily CPU bottlenecked 00:21:34.320 --> 00:21:41.679 and this is the one spot where cyber power and their core i7 13700 F got 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:48.440 their day in the sun they jumped up from second last to second place when judging 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:52.080 by 1% lows barely losing to iby power at 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:54.400 1080p if we move up to 1440 that 1% lows 00:21:52.080 --> 00:21:59.240 Gap does widen substantially but they're still way ahead of everyone else on 00:21:56.440 --> 00:22:03.760 average especially star Forge where that CPU bottleneck is killing them 00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:11.080 unfortunately for cyber power they came in dead last every other time 1080p 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:18.640 1440p it doesn't matter this was our only RTX 4060 non-ti system and as great 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:21.120 as the core i7 13700 f is it is not 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:25.799 enough to carry the rest of that build I was surprised to find that single 00:22:23.159 --> 00:22:30.559 Channel ddr5 isn't nearly as bad as I expected that virtual second channel on 00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:36.000 each dim helps it hold up much better than single channel ddr4 would but it 00:22:33.120 --> 00:22:40.799 also didn't help enough here so bottom line if you're strictly an Esports gamer 00:22:38.320 --> 00:22:44.919 over spending on a fast CPU is a valid way to go but then considering how our 00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:47.760 support call with them went maybe you could look to someone other than cyber 00:22:46.600 --> 00:22:55.320 power if you don't want to build your own PC so in a major upset to some but 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:58.520 no surprise to me HP is our winner this 00:22:55.320 --> 00:23:01.520 year decent packaging standard if 00:22:58.520 --> 00:23:04.559 somewhat OEM flavored Parts the beefiest 00:23:01.520 --> 00:23:08.240 power supply at 800 WTS solid case 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:09.960 design good Cooling and a great CPU GPU 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:15.200 combo that delivered well-rounded 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