Getting all of your tech tips from one source means that you might miss crucial
details, but watching four videos at once is just so inconvenient.
So, hear me out then. How about we smash
four amazing techtubers into just one video and they compete to build the best
$1,000 gaming PC? It's a generous
budget, but not so large that they can just spend carelessly. So, to help,
we've sourced this pile of secondhand parts that we're going to price
according to what's typical on marketplaces like Facebook, eBay, and
Jawa, the online marketplace for new and used PC stuff, who sponsored this video,
along with CSIC, who also pitched in to help us bring together our four amazing
contestants. Let's meet them. I'm Danny from Ner Budget and I make content about
PC builds, steel hunting, and sometimes land parties.
>> My name is Tito. I have the YouTube channel Machiner Productions and I
modify retro video game consoles. >> Hi, I'm Joyce from Tech Joyce and I make
technology and car content. >> Hi, I'm Zach from ZTT and I make a ton
of PC building content. Um, kind of similar to what we're going to do today.
>> Where where did you get those in? For those that don't know, it's Zach's
Tech Turf, where turf stands for tutorials, unboxings, reviews, and fun.
But I don't say that on camera, so >> it'd be a lot to say each time. >> Yeah.
>> What do you think is going to give you your edge today? >> Um, I think maybe my lack of knowledge
of PCs, maybe. >> How do you think it's going to give you an edge?
>> Uh, I have no idea. Uh, >> most of my content revolves around
looking for used deals, so this was right up my alley. But I try to maximize
the performance anytime I do a PC build. Uh, I have a lot of practice with that.
I'd say >> aesthetics for sure. >> Yeah. You know, there's one competitor
that I'm worried about that's going to beat me in terms of price to performance. It's Danny. Hopefully,
there's points given out on the aesthetic realm, which that's what I'm
going for. >> I think I'm the youngest out of all the contestants, so my hands will be faster
and I'll probably think a little faster than them. So, hopefully my age will
give me a bit of an edge. >> What is the CPU that you picked? >> I picked the Ryzen 57600. Initially, I
went after this Ryzen 5 9600X listed for 185. I offered 10 bucks less and got
declined. This ended up working out though because I later came across this
Ryzen 57600 for 125, which worked out to
be a way better deal. With the money saved, I then set my sights on a little bit more expensive graphics cards around
$500. The best card I could find was this RX6950 XT.
>> It was a AMD Ryzen 7900X. I mostly made
all my decisions based off price because I really don't know too much about PC
building. I picked the Ryzen 5 7600X. It
was the best deal that I could find on Jawa at that specific moment in time. I
actually found this RX7800 XT for $450 and that's actually a really
good price. >> I picked the Ryzen 5 7600 X3D. Yeah,
that one was just a really good deal. I decided to go with an NVIDIA graphics
card because I'm hoping for the benchmarking it involves ray tracing.
Please, Lionus. Whether you're buying parts, selling your gear, or flipping
full custom builds, Java is the marketplace that's built specifically
for PC gamers by people who actually care about gaming and PCs. Now, it's
time to pick the rest of your computer. We've got a large stockpile of parts,
but if there's something else that tickles your fancy, Games Master David
will see what he can do and try to get you a fair price. You are allowed to go
over your $1,000 budget. However, you're
going to be evaluated based on your performance in three demanding games,
and for every $10 you go over, it will cost you 1% of your total score. So, be
frugal. To keep things balanced, we're going to be doing a snake draft starting
with Danny, which was decided by random chance off camera and also because don't
tell the others, but we just plain like them better.
Go. Okay.
Can I get the game master's help? Anything that's got red? I just need
color. Got a little something up my sleeve here. >> Oh, that is red.
>> Yeah. Can I get this? >> It'd be 95. >> Best I can do is 90.
>> 90. 90 it is. I only have like $50 left, so I'm going to go really cheap.
>> We are adding aesthetics to the rubric. Correct.
>> I don't think so. >> That's the entire strategy.
>> Wow, that's unfortunate. >> Someone might actually do it. I didn't
think it was going to be possible. >> I mean, I wouldn't be nerd on a budget if I didn't stick to the budget.
>> Five bucks. >> Five bucks. I like it. >> Question for you. What are we doing
about power supplies? >> I'm so glad you asked in a totally
unscripted way. Everyone is getting Oh my god, David.
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where did they land in terms of pricing, >> Danny? $9.99.
>> Wow. Okay. >> Nerd on a budget, Joyce. 1034. Oh, wait,
wait, wait. 1044. Zack 1041 and Tito
1053. Everyone did pretty darn good. A lot better than I expected.
>> Really close. Wow, nice case. Does it have a side panel? It does not. But
that's so I could fit the cooler. Wicked smart.
>> How you feeling about your choices? >> I think I went a little bit over budget, but I'm still very confident because I
think my CPU is the best out of all four of them. >> Very nice. Any regrets?
>> I think the the GPU. >> M. Do you regret just standing here and
chit chatting while the timer's running? >> Oh, what? I'm supposed to get started
now? >> Yeah. What are you waiting for? >> How about you, Danny? Any regrets?
>> I'm pretty happy with it. I think I got a pretty beefy graphics card and a
decent CPU to pair with it. So, uh, it's just some of the other parts might be
jank, but that's just when you go use sometimes, you know.
>> We have a red alert here, David. There's no IO shield in here.
>> Oh god. >> Oh my god. Given how much of our grading is going to be aesthetics, that's going
to really hold you back. >> 100% what I was thinking. Thank you. >> Here's my deal.
>> Okay. >> We will offer you a 2x multiplier on
your aesthetic score. >> I will gladly take 3x. 4x final offer.
>> Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. How are things going over here? Any regrets
on your build? >> Maybe the case. Like, >> is this an intentional vibe?
>> That was kind of a late breaking decision where I'm just going to kind of go with a really messy setup and that's
going to be part of the vibe. >> Oo, I like it. You have only one stick of RAM.
>> I do. >> Yes. >> Better than none. If we were an actual
team, I probably would have helped you with that. But I like maybe I'll just
let them cook. >> Like let him be cooked. I don't like your SSD, though.
>> Well, that was strategic. I did not want to waste money on anything performance
impacting. >> So, you'd rather that whoever ends up with this system, which by the way,
people are going to end up with Yes. >> have a crappy SSD and lose their data
down the road. >> Correct. >> Like my stock cooler here, >> dude. I approve of the stock cooler. My
tech ick was people who spend a bunch of money on a fancy cooler when they
haven't already minmaxed the rest of their hardware.
>> That's true. Am I distracting you? >> Uh, a little bit, but it's okay. It's
missing one standoff. the bottom right one. >> Nerd on a budget with attention to
detail. Keep an eye on this one. There's a reason he's our favorite. I didn't
mean what I said over there. You're doing great, too. >> Thank you. Wait, I've never done this
before. I've only built like like six, seven PCs.
>> I'm deciding if I should try to give you hints or not, but since we're competing
and you wanted to race, >> I don't need hints. Don't worry. >> You're good.
>> I know exactly what I'm doing right now. >> No, that does not seem right. Okay, I'm
not going to ask for help cuz I feel like that that makes me lose automatically. There's nothing wrong
with getting help. >> No, I have to do this alone. Okay. I'm
definitely the least qualified out of the three contestants.
>> Yeah. So, I picked this cooler because well, it looked really big. So, and I
have apparently one of the I guess better CPUs out of the lot. So, probably
need a lot of cooling power. The case is small, but it's missing the door. So,
that gives me plenty of room to use this. >> The reason for my cooler is I was
definitely thinking about aesthetics. Okay. >> I guess the RZ 400. The RZ. Is that Is
that where we're going with? I'm also not above using the CPU cooler manual.
Do you ever use these? >> Not on this. >> It's showing me exactly which hardware
to use and whatnot every time. >> I like it. >> Yeah. Like >> I respect it. You know what? I like his
style so much that I'm going to increase his aesthetics points multiplier to 5x.
>> No, no, no. We were at five. >> Were we? >> Yeah. I think we're up to seven.
>> I am returned. >> Actually, I have thermal paste now.
>> How do you know what I brought you isn't better? I'm going to go with these cuz this looks fancy.
>> Okay. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Thank you.
>> Oh, I'm being dismissed. I see. I think there's something to the whole passive
aggressive generation, you know, with the whole like COVID lockdown and the
lack of social skills. It's like they can't tell things like they're standing
too close. They're making people uncomfortable. How you doing?
>> Uh, good. I think I'm making good progress. >> I'm just putting all the motherboard
screws in, which is like one of the more timeconuming >> Yeah.
>> parts of it. Uh-huh. >> Um, but I think I'm good with that now.
Unflapable. See, this is why he's our favorite. >> You can't say that.
>> What the hell is that supposed to be? >> Usually it turns out fine, but I think I
got a little nervous cuz he's right beside me. >> I don't want to put any pressure on you
guys, but you are way behind Danny. Am I helping with the pressure?
>> Um, nope. >> Lionus, I would like to run something by
you here. This is a sponsored component. >> Yep. >> Very top of the line.
>> Mhm. There's one problem for my build with it. It's only black cables. I
brought some cable extensions. I got red, but I'm going to plug these into
these. How much do these cost? >> $0. >> Should I trust him?
>> I'm going to believe him that these were $0. And for being such an amazing deal
hunter, I'm going to reward him by increasing his aesthetics multiplier to
6x. >> We were just at seven. How are you
already almost done? What What are people doing? modern computers. Like
everything just goes on the motherboard. Yeah, that's great. I just mean like
we're going to have to rely on some of the other folks to do our extras for Floatplane. LMG.gg/flatlane.
You get the bonus multiplier. >> Wo wo wo. >> Come on, man. Come on. We still got
inserts to shoot. >> I mean, I don't care. It's not my computer. >> 3 2 1 Okay, it's even plugged in.
>> But what we can all agree on is that Zach is not my favorite. We're all
tracking that. >> Yeah. >> Excellent. I'll take that.
>> Oh, great. Oh no. >> Danny, do you think you could beat Linus
in a buildoff? >> I honestly don't know how quickly Linus can build a PC. I usually don't try to
speed through PC builds. I just kind of go at a leisurely pace. >> If this is your leisurely pace, I think
you'd kick my ass. You just need a quality ratcheting screwdriver.
>> Wow, you've made a lot of progress. >> So, nothing fits. Like, nothing's long
enough to reach the bottom of that. >> Yeah. So, what you need is
>> like a little a little stand on there. >> You better believe it. >> Okay, now I got to take everything out
then. >> Can I just leave it like this? cuz I look I got 1 2 3 4 5 six six screws
already and that's a lot of screws. >> That's you know that is a lot of screws.
I'm not >> I'm good. I'm good here then. I'm I'm making sure I get your approval.
>> I'm not the judge. They're the judge. >> Do I have your approval?
>> You may not be familiar with this concept, but we are not live right now.
>> Oh, the audience. I thought you meant the cameraman.
>> Okay. Oh, the audience. Oh, he gave a thumbs up. So, I think we're good. Did
everybody go Radeon? Wow, it's almost like that's the way to go when you're
trying to build on a budget. Speaking of GPUs, all of our contestants picked up
their GPUs on Jawa. Jawa makes it easy to list and sell full builds or parts
with buyer and seller protection, lower fees, and a community that's actively
searching for gaming PCs. And this is all without getting hit with is this
still available messages a thousand freaking times. The only thing I don't
love about it is this rear fan. That is specifically why I purchased three fans
for the competition to make sure that they're all black. >> The aesthetics is the last thing on my
checklist here. Um, I'm just trying to figure out the wiring and making sure
that everything works. >> I do know that they were talking at some point about selling these on Jawa. If we
get points for that, then an aesthetic build could potentially help me out. So,
it might it might actually matter at some point. Gosh, we have our beautiful
sea sonic power supply here. I was sure to put the fan facing downward.
>> So, I chose a 3080 because I was looking on the website and all the 4070s were
like $600. So, I went one generation behind and this one is like basically
the same performance for like a h 100red bucks cheaper. Wait, these are not like
screwed in. Do I have to rip them out? Do I need help again?
>> Those are breakaways. >> Okay, thank you. Pretend cut that part out when you said that. Oh, these are
breakaways. So, basically, I don't have to unscrew anything.
>> I'm wondering if I should help Joyce with something right now. >> No.
>> Okay. She doesn't want the help. >> I'm independent and smart. How many PCs
have you built? >> Over a 100 and under 1,000. So,
somewhere between there. >> That's insane. >> Over 100. It's like 10 a year.
>> So young though cuz your skin's really good. >> Why did you use the lower slot on your
>> what? >> On your on your >> She doesn't want help. She doesn't want help. >> Oh my god. I didn't even realize.
>> She said he didn't want help. Bro, this whole video is just embarrassing. Like,
people are going to be like, "Wow, you guys you guys noticed and didn't tell me." That's dumb.
That's >> Especially you. You probably knew the whole time.
>> Yeah. Come on, Glenn. >> Come on.
>> First try. Professional. >> We're trying to find something to close
the side panel with. >> Oh, brilliant. >> Oh, we have one.
>> Yay. >> Yes. Good work. >> Wow. >> Two.
>> Celebrating. Was that a boot? Are they done? That's really crooked. Really?
>> I mean, wow. >> Thanks. >> That's a computer.
>> Yeah, I did it all first try and I didn't get any help.
>> I don't think your motherboard is all the way down. >> No, no, no, no, no. Don't show that.
Okay, just to set the record straight, I've never claimed to be a PC
professional.
>> Why didn't you screw them in all the way? >> I did. I thought I did.
>> Oh, no. >> Damn it. Okay, wait. Cut all of this
out. Give me give me the screw. Wait, guys. I don't know what he's doing right
now. He's trying to touch my build.
>> So, see, all I did was turn it a few more rotations, and you can see now the
motherboard doesn't shift around like that.
>> Right. >> Do you need me to check anything else? >> No, no, no, no, no. I Yes, you can.
Thank you. >> Now, I feel like I need to check everyone's homework. Can I just
>> Yeah, you can take a look at it. >> Oh, yeah. Look at that. All the screws
are in even Oh, wow. Got nice little cable management in here and everything.
Quality. Now it just comes down to performance.
What is this situation here? >> Oh, is that it? >> It goes in. Are you sure?
>> I just forgot to screw it in all the way. I think >> I found problems with everyone else's
build, so it feels unfair if I don't find something here. >> Feel free. You'll find something.
>> Oh, a classic rookie error.
>> Error. >> It's the IO shield. >> That is not an error. This was not supplied, sir. I mean, when you buy a
secondhand motherboard, that's the first thing you got to check. >> Yeah, I mistakenly trusted the seller.
>> That's why you got to shop on Jawa. >> Yeah. See, I would never put a
motherboard without an IO shield into my inventory. But that's what you guys do.
>> See, that's kind of an error, but this is actually an error.
>> No, no, you just don't make it worse, man. >> I'm No, I'm helping. I'm helping. Look,
see, I fixed it. >> Thank you for the tech tip. >> Yeah, that's that's my turf.
I'm also going to pretend that I don't have to push down hard on this to keep
the cable bulge down. Here's how we're looking. This is my GPU. And the reason
I chose it was it was the most expensive one I could afford within my budget.
>> Pencils down in five 4 3 two one.
>> Done. I'm done.
>> Okay. Moment of truth. Here
we go. We're good.
>> Okay. Is it even plugged in? What? Damn.
You guys set me up. >> Yeah, it's plugged in. >> Okay. Cut off. Take out the first cut.
Just remove it all. Delete all the footage. >> Oh,
>> hopefully I did the IO, right? Oh, okay. Got an LED.
>> Oh, right out of the gate. I got to say immediately I want to give you bonus
points for leaving the $22 sticker on your case. As you can see, aesthetics
was maybe kind of lower on the priority list. >> Yeah. And even cooling, you got like
half of your fans in here. One of them's not spinning. I didn't actually catch
your specs. I was so distracted that by how ugly it is. So maybe it's like a
going to be a sleeper underdog. >> That's what I'm hoping, Victor.
>> It was the first computer to work. >> Of course, no one cares what the tower
looks like. If the monitor looks great, oh, that's already a good sign. And most
impressively, this isn't even running at low settings. This is 1440p ultra no ray
tracing. It's actually Zach's machine that's making all the noises bothering
me right now. It's going to be hard to beat. Or is it? If there were points for
aesthetics, which there aren't, this would have lots of points. And it's also
quiet. I don't agree that it's quiet.
Oh, that is Yeah. Okay. All right. All right. Let's take a quick test drive,
shall we? Oh, this is bad news
for Tito because even though there's no
points for aesthetics, there are points for the game looking better. If only
Zach had tuned it. >> Oh,
>> what' you press? >> I pressed the sabotage Zack button
>> for stealing the similar abbreviations to my channel.
Next up is the one, the only tech Joyce who surely will blame her brother for
whatever problems we find with her machine. >> I'm scared. You're going to say
something crazy. >> Something crazy like, "Hey, you should
probably put all the screws in." >> That was not my fault. The screwdriver
you gave me was faulty. >> Oh,
>> go ahead. Show Show me. >> Well, I threw it out. No, no, I threw it out cuz it was faulty.
>> All right. All right. Well, why don't we take a look at your computer and see if anything else is faulty?
>> You're going to be blown away. >> Your side panel's upside down. The AMD
logo on your cooler's upside down, too. What's up with that? >> Why do you find problems with
everything? Just play the game and you'll see. >> I mean, all you have to do is beat a low
performing PC with no side panel and one that crashes.
>> Can you commentate on this area right here? >> Yeah, this area right here is looking
pretty damn good, not going to lie.
It says like 75 FPS and your 1% lows.
Hard to believe now that we're in here. Dude, it's even
worse. It kind of smells. It smells like
burning. We got one exhaust fan. No intakes. I really don't know how long
this is going to last. Tech Choice, builder of temporary computers. Which
brings us finally to this. You know what? I can't find that much to
criticize. It's a little on the louder side, but like is that really that big
of a problem? And even if the performance isn't the best, right? Like
look at this shirt. Look at how he wears that. I like these glasses, too. Just,
you know, of course, it's all going to come down to performance, which once
again. Wow. Really good. I want to take
a moment to recognize that for $1,000, every single one of these systems is
delivering an outstanding experience in what is still an extremely demanding
game at 1440p ultimate quality. Some are
a little more outstanding than the others. And uh I think this might be one
of them. I don't want to criticize cuz you're my
favorite. I don't love that your CPU is running at 95°.
What? Ready? Three, two, one, benchmark.
>> Oh my god. I'm I'm absolutely cooked.
>> Oh, it crashed again. >> Who configured this?
>> Who configured it? I mean, you picked all the parts. We just watched you do it.
>> Yeah, but you know, the parts were working when I showed up here.
>> Do you want to just come out and say it? >> Um, you can say it.
>> I can say it. >> Yes. >> You're a poor sport.
In all seriousness, there could be an issue with some of the hardware that we
provided to Zach. I was just ribbon him before. So, we're going to do a quick
receipt of his GPU. And in the meantime,
we're grabbing another kit of memory just in case this one's a little bit on
the flaky side. Why is this 6 gig transfers per second? Okay. Well, you
kind of lucked out. Oh, wow. You just got a performance boost. Whoops. That
was not my intention, but I don't have time to go change it again.
>> I just fixed your computer, Mr. >> This feels great already. I can tell.
Okay, here we go. Let's see how it goes.
Massive upset in first place for
performance in Cyber Punk. Zack with the come from behind victory. He went from
zero to 95 in second place for raw
performance. We've got Danny the nerd on
a budget stayed within his budget. H
Zach not so much. Neither did Joyce for that matter. So, she's basically out of
the running for first place, but could still end up with a podium finish
because yeah, that's really not that close. But there's still more
benchmarking to go. Let's give him a bonus. Let's give him a nice guy bonus.
10 FPS. I still am like blown away at
how good these machines are. Well, most
of them. >> All of them. Come on. >> Kind of tempted to change Zach's memory
speed back to 5600. I'm going to change it back to 5600 for
the rest. How much lower do you think it's going to be, Lannis? I would say 2
FPS. >> That could be the difference. I was thinking 2 to 3 FPS combined with your
4% overbudget penalty >> times 11 aesthetic
>> bonus, >> right? >> I think we're still good. >> And your aesthetic bonus is zero though.
So, cuz there are no points for aesthetics.
>> I was not told this. >> Never came up. >> The fact that it's so close is why I
really feel that we need to double
check. Oh my god. How'd it go up?
>> Time for our second game. I'm rooting for you. Hold tab. Ready? 3 2 1 go. Wow.
You're getting kind of like the Canucks. Kind of hard to root for. Whoa. We could
have an upset here. The nerd on a budget is on a roll with a score of 145 with
Zach's Tech Turf with 130, Joyce coming
in at 122. And once again, Tito was
there. 93. That's really good. And it is really
good. Our budget was limited to $1,000.
And unlike a game console, which sure could also run Returnal as long as it's
a PlayStation, these machines can do anything you could possibly want them to
do. Video editing, browsing the internet. The hell else is it that
people do with computers these days? Now, it's time for the big shocker
finish. Cuz see, I was piling on my Palito before, but he actually has the
best performing CPU out of the bunch. And this is interesting. Our last
benchmark kind of CPU dependent. Every
everyone go ahead and press the check mark. Yeah, I'm rooting for you.
>> Yeah. What? Fingers crossed. >> It's already less than. >> While we wait for this last benchmark to
run, I want to get everyone to sign their machine because if you guys were
paying attention earlier, you will know this. All of these are going to be for
sale from java.gg. Choose wisely. Now
for the results. Coming in first, Nerd on a budget. Unfortunately, Joyce's X3D
chip just didn't cut the mustard here.
Zach is in the 300 FPS range as well.
Tito was there. Even a 10 FPS bonus
wasn't enough. Man, I tried. I really
tried. And now it's time for me and
David to try and do math. >> Aesthetic score.
>> Yeah. equals zero. >> Yeah. >> Times 11. There you go. Yep. That's
added. >> And did you give Tito his 10 extra bonus FPS on everything?
>> We have come up with the final scores. In fourth place and looking very fine
and kind doing it is Tito with a score
of 228 >> out of a possible 300.
>> Out of a possible 300. >> That's good. That's good.
>> That is really good. After correcting for a slight budgeting overshoot, Joyce
comes in third with 259 points out of a
possible 300. And I think it is actually
worth noting here just how close our
three podium finishers were. Which is to say that if you weren't comparing them
side by side in benchmark tests, you would be more than happy with any of
them. It's just that you would be ever so slightly happier with
Zach's Tech Turf. He managed a score of
271 and that's in spite of the fact that his
11x aesthetics multiplier was multiplied by zero.
>> That was the whole strategy line, >> which leaves
with 297 points out of a possible 300 points. V-
nerd on a budget. Danny,
undisputed intercontinental champion of
building a computer for exactly exactly
$1,000. >> Give it a little bit, you know, some
personality. He's just a black box. So, >> how are you feeling at the end of the
day? >> Uh, it honestly went how I thought it would. Uh, nerd on a budget. I mean, he
knows how to maximize his budget. >> I'm a little disappointed with how I
did. I definitely did not choose the right GPU. So, for next time, I would go
with the Radeon card. >> Kind of expected those results. Uh maybe
I should just stick with uh modding retro consoles, but had a whole lot of
fun. >> How do you think you did? >> Pretty happy with the build. I like the way it turned out aesthetically. Wish
the aesthetics would have mattered a little bit more than they did. >> Audience, if the aesthetics matter to
you, comment down below. Let them know >> they do. Um I'd probably get a little
bit nicer of a case. Um you know, get a little bit better aesthetics and uh
maybe one that has a side panel, too. So, >> how does it feel to be the champion?
>> Uh, it feels pretty good. >> What do you think was your key to
victory? >> Throwing a big chunk of money at the graphics card. Uh, that helped.
>> Other than your own build, what was your favorite one today? >> I like Zach's. It look It looks the
nicest for sure. People would pick a slightly worse performing PC with like
twice the aesthetics, right? So, >> 11 times the >> 11 times. Thanks Jawa
>> and CIC >> and C Sonic for making this possible.
And massive shout out to you guys for coming all the way up here. If you guys
enjoyed this video, maybe go check out the time we challenged our writers to
configure thousand builds. There was a bit of extra challenge in that one in
that they weren't allowed to use the internet to look at any pricing
whatsoever. They're just going in blind.