{"video_id":"rmdq7y9KLvk","title":"Is Threadripper Worth It?","channel":"Techquickie","show":"Techquickie","published_at":"2021-05-05T14:58:16Z","duration_s":285,"segments":[{"start_s":0.08,"end_s":6.799,"text":"we've had high-end desktop or hedt processors for quite a while now you","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":4.319,"end_s":11.28,"text":"know those cpus that sit at the very top of the food chain that straddle the line","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":8.8,"end_s":15.44,"text":"between home pc and workstation with a high price tag to match","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":13.04,"end_s":20.08,"text":"and for a long time Intel dominated that market segment with its extreme edition","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":17.44,"end_s":26.88,"text":"and x-series processors but AMD has since fired back in a big way literally","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":24.24,"end_s":30.32,"text":"this is the AMD threadripper and i mean look at the size of 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the future","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0}],"full_text":"we've had high-end desktop or hedt processors for quite a while now you know those cpus that sit at the very top of the food chain that straddle the line between home pc and workstation with a high price tag to match and for a long time Intel dominated that market segment with its extreme edition and x-series processors but AMD has since fired back in a big way literally this is the AMD threadripper and i mean look at the size of it it's practically a coaster you can put your drink on this thing and save your table but other than leaving your neighbor's desktop with a feeling of inadequacy is it right for you and what should you know about it let's start out by looking at something straightforward core count although typical ryzen desktop chips have between 4 and 16 cores threadripper cpus start at 8 cores and go all the way up to 64 cores meaning that the chips are heavily marketed toward content creators who need fast rendering times and they all have simultaneous multi-threading so we're talking 128 threads on just one socket speaking of sockets it's pretty clear that a chip this chunky won't fit into your standard am4 motherboard instead threadripper uses the tr4 and str4 sockets which each have over 4 000 contacts in case you're wondering AMD switched to str4 with the threadripper 3000 series and despite looking the same as the older tr4 this two sockets are not compatible but aside from having more cores and a bigger footprint what's going on under the hood that really separates it from a normal ryzen chip well because threadripper is an enthusiast level lineup it's not just core count that's important it's also i o Threadripper trips have a lot more pci express lanes than the ryzen counterparts the first two generations had a full 60 PCIe 3.0 lanes coming directly off the chip with 48 linked to the slots on your motherboard enabling multi-GPU and the other 12 reserved for storage if you're using a 3000 series threadripper the number of lanes is bumped up to 64. and you get the new pci express 4.0 revision as well even if you're not into multi-GPU and hey we're not going to blame you if you're not this can still be useful if you're into virtualizing you need tons of storage or you're using something like fpga for crypto mining threadripper also features a larger level three cache than mainstream ryzen chips to keep all those cores fed and reduce cache misses during demanding workloads and if you're not sure what a cache miss is you can learn all about the importance of CPU cache in this video additionally all threadripper chips support quad channel RAM for performance boost as well as ecc or error correcting memory which can prevent crashes helpful if you're doing really critical work on your pc or using it to host a server we'd also be remiss if we didn't mention the threadripper pro lineup for actual workstations which uses yet another socket called swrx8 and will give you support for octa-channel memory but hold on a sec surely chips this large and powerful have to have some kind of downside right predictably threadripper cpus cost a lot more money when threadripper debuted back in 2017 the lower cost skew was 549 and the current lineup at the time we shot this video starts at 1 399 for a 24 core model and it goes all the way up into 4 grand if you want a 64 core model however although this is obviously a lot of money threadripper has had success beating Intel setups that cost around five times as much in benchmarks of course high cost isn't the only thing to look out for threadripper cpus are a little trickier to install on a motherboard than you might be used to and their higher tdps up to 280 watts mean you'll need a cooler that's up to task but we wouldn't recommend setting a glass of ice water on it even if it is the size of a coaster this episode is brought to you by curiositystream curiosity stream is a subscription streaming service that features 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