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okay i'm just playing he may have mistaken it for an external hard drive

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or maybe a Thunderbolt dock but no

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this is actually a powerful pc

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given the size of course now most small form factor pcs are sized to be built

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around a CPU cooler but streetcom said

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screw it let's just make the entire case the

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cooler that's right this is a completely

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fanless case at this size

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question is did the fancy engineering that they had

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to put into this puny passive powerhouse make it a complete nightmare to work

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with we've got our heat pipes and we're

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the streacom db1 max looks exactly like its sister case the explicitly non-max

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db1 but there's one big difference the max

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variant uses not one but both sides of the chassis as heat

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sinks for the CPU or really apu is

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there's no standalone graphics card here nor space for one that increases the

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total heat dissipation of the fanless design from 45 watts up to 65

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but it creates an interesting problem getting heat from the apu to the left

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panel slash heatsink is straightforward enough endeavor a couple of these

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u-shaped heat pipes a bunch of thermal compound and another heatsink to spread

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the load but how do you do that for heatsink that's located on the

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opposite side of the case you know around the back of the

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motherboard well that's where some clever engineering comes in

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these u-shaped heat pipes bend around to the back of the

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motherboard and contact the right side plates as well now before we get to what

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is surely the most finicky cooler install ever there are some concessions

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that need to be made to get a fanless pc under six liters of volume that promises

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some serious gaming chops and it starts with the motherboard asrock's x300 tm

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itx this isn't a uh run-of-the-mill itx board no this is thin mini icx it's the

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same footprint as itx but adds a 2.5

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centimeter i o shield height restriction if you stare at it long enough you can

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start to see how the design differs there's no fitting desktop RAM in this

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thing so sodium laptop memory sticks are used instead we have a couple of these

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here and uh where

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is the usual atx power input there isn't

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one this board is powered from 12 volt via a little four pin up here or

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with a quick jumper swap like so

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you can feed it 19 volts via a barrel plug on an external power supply like

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we'll be doing here we have this boy here

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what makes this build actually work is the small wonder that is AMD's ryzen 7

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5700g apu the rated TDP for this thing

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is 65 watts which is actually precisely what this case is

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rated for too even though TDP isn't really a useful

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number these days as chips can boost for as long as they want as long as there's

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headroom it flaunts eight cores and 16 threads that can boost up to 4.6

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gigahertz and there's eight cores of Radeon GPU baked inside that should give

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us ample gaming performance but we'll see that once we get this whole shebang

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together let's go over what we have here so we've already talked about the CPU

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this is the motherboard itself we went over a little bit but let's let's take a

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look at the more typical components of it right here

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we've got three usb 3.2 gen one type a

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ports and a gen one type c port

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we've got audio in and out it's pretty standard

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it's nothing special a serial port it's kind of interesting i appreciate it but

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yeah it's whatever we've got two HDMI 2.0 ports but only one of these is going

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to be accessible because one of them's on the other side check that out that's

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i don't think i've seen that before that's thin mini itx for you i think i

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would have given up that serial port for uh two hdmis but that's just me uh let's

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see two soda imports these are gonna be used for our crucial ddr4 3200 kit these

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are about as fast as we can reasonably expect out of sodim's i think

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i took a quick look around and i couldn't find anything faster

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unfortunately that's just kind of what you have to live with on a low profile system like this but you

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also get two m.2 slots one is a 2230 for

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your wi-fi or a very small form factor 1.2 SSD and you've got a full-size m.2

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SSD port up here as well the SSD we're going to be popping in here is a crucial

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p5 we're just going to be using collins bench drive to speed things up you

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probably want to have something a little bit bigger and or faster

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depending on what your use case is i think this is just a 512 gig

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this is all you get and um yeah that's all the components i guess

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it's not going to be a very complicated build at least not as far as component

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density goes that i guess leads us to the fun bit it's time to put it all

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together installing the CPU is pretty easy but

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you're going to want to pay attention to the little golden triangle here to

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tell you where to put it because this is a very weird orientation for this socket

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but if you orient it just right it should slip right on down there

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and you're good to go now the RAM is a little different than you might be used

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to i'm not sure how many of you might have installed sodium before but basically

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you got to get it in underneath these clips

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because they're in the way there we go

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aligned up with the notch slide it in then push it down until you

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hear a click SSD is the same as any other SSD you might install an m.2

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socket now you just align the SSD with this notch here and then

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screw in the screw you don't want it too tight you just want it to hold down

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these screws are very easy to share off if you tighten them too much okay and

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that's it for the build yeah that's it bill's done um you know we could run the system like

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this actually it wouldn't run very well it might shut

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off but you know we could do it let's get in the case i mean i was kind of

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hoping we didn't have to do that but that's what the video is about so yeah

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okay let's get into the case what am i looking at here this

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obviously is going to mate somehow this is what looks like the motherboard

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tray well clearly i need to read the instructions at this point so give me

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one moment okay so i need to install the cooler first which i think is in this

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box here that that looks for all the world like

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uh like a water block almost except no it's not the heat pipes slide into this

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thing so it's not like putting anything in here

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like water or air or anything the heat pipes just kind of live here the lengths

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to which people will go for a small pc am i right am i supposed

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to be using thermal compound for this yes oh this is gonna be miserable yes

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just came back from vacation and this is what i'm doing

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all right let's get some thermal compound on that CPU and get this uh

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copper shim on it apparently that's what we need to do there's not a lot of

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thermal compound in one of these it's enough the CPU though but i already got

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some of my fingers because of this application method

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so i'm wasting a whole bunch of it do we have oh man i've got it all over me

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already this is just one packet i need so many of these this here shim just

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goes on like that i guess it just

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lives there so how much do you think this case costs

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uh i want to say 300 dollars

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that's that's way high high would you believe me if i said it

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was 125 us dollars really no i wouldn't

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because you're getting the cooler and you're getting the case and it's like all these different parts

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i mean it's miserable to build but like that's that's less than i thought it

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would be oh i got a thermal compound everywhere now but as part of the

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adventure we're gonna be here a while yep please

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better instructions if you're going to save money on

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assembly costs the bet the least you could do is

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you know make it very clear what goes where and there's your cooler

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presumably oh god how am i supposed to

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do do you need assistance

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this is oh

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are you having fun yet Anthony have a blast

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wait how am i supposed to i think you should only go till

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this group protrudes through the net whatever i do it needs to be even

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ish oh god the board is bending like real bad actually not bad oh

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i'm like oh okay so we got these spring screws so they'll stop you know they'll

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stop when they need to no instructions unclear motherboard taco

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this is my favorite build ever i feel like i'm not making any progress on this

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build just like everything i do is like just a drop in the bucket you know i'd

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say you're solid like 65 of the way to

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turning it on well you didn't have to crush my spirits like that would it help

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if i said that you're more like 69 of the way there nice it's done i hope i

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actually put that jumper to 19 volts let's give it a shot

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yeah it's heating up 36 37 is it actually gonna boot though it

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booted it booted isn't it amazing that we needed a

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thermal camera just to know whether the computer was on or not

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that's pretty great like you press the button and literally nothing happens

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okay t die is

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48 47 okay it's going down uh let's hit

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it with uh what should we hit it with it doesn't like that

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but the CPU temperatures still seem pretty good

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the motherboard says that it's at 115 degrees i don't believe that for a

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second that's a false reading GPU temperature says that it's

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at 38. it looks like 10 FPS

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uh it is seven but of course this is like

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4k i could probably stress it a little harder if i went for the lower

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resolution this is mostly stressing the memory at

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the moment uh let's hit it with prime95 let's just

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burn it GPU temperature is at 58 CPU temperature is currently at

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61. yeah now it's thermal throttling what's going on

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so the motherboard is currently thermal throttling us pretty hard look at that

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all that work and here we are getting thermal

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throttled obviously people aren't going to be running prime95 all day

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but this is a little disappointing considering that the

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chassis itself is fully capable like this is not even hitting anywhere close

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to a high temperature it's in the 60s the chassis is more than capable of

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taking this amount of heat and yet we're thermal throttle based on the

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motherboard the vrms are just

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burning up we went and grabbed an 80 millimeter Noctua fan to kind of point

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into the case and uh see if that makes a difference and sure

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enough it does so you can see the exact moment that we

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put the fan on it it's like kind of like stopped thermal thermal throttling why

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is the motherboard at over 100 degrees because the vrms have no cooler

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that's what the problem is the vrms don't even have a passive heat

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sink so they're not getting any cooling whatsoever there's no airflow inside the

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case the only reason we're getting anything out of this is because we're putting air over the vrms

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but the thing that gets me is that streetcom sent this board

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they sent this specific board yes like it's possible that there's a an issue

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with the sensor uh possible that talk going could have done

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something that that is possible yeah i'm not above

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saying that i broke it do you want to like break

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contact street com and be like hey have you guys seen this happening

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i can do that all right here's the situation the

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asrock x300 tm itx motherboard we installed this guy right here gave us

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some weird performance under synthetic loads the board was throttling far

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before the case was even being pushed close to its limit so

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we pulled it all apart slapped a knock to a u12s onto it and lo and behold yup

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those vrm's are toasty over a hundred

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130 degrees our goal is to test the case here and

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with it throttling this way we were unable to do so

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to rectify that we called our friends at ASUS and snagged well

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one of these an ASUS pro h410t

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and equipped it with an Intel core i5 10400. it's spec to the same TDP 65

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watts and it doesn't cook the vrm's nearly as much as the asrock board let's

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give it a go in blender so starting off cp temperature temperatures going up to

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about 70. we'll see how high they go though

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because this is entirely passive remember so there's there's nothing to kick in and once it

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hits the thermal soak it's just going to keep getting hotter until it throttles

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that's the idea anyway we're at 100 degrees on all the cores now

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and it is in fact thermal throttling it's getting kind of toasty now

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it actually it actually does feel warm warmer on this side than this side

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though that's interesting all right let's see how toasty this thing is actually

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getting so on this side that i said was a little bit cooler

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it's about 39 maybe 40 degrees in the hot spot there

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yeah roughly 40 degrees if you move around to the other side

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yeah like 43 degrees how about that i was right what are we looking at right

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now looks like we've dropped down to 3.6 gigahertz still at 100 degrees celsius

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what's the power draw right now

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57 so it's not looking good for the 65 watt

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claims that streetcom made here we are looking at a 43 degree hotspot

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back here so it's risen by three degrees at least

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since the last time i looked at it oh wow the heat

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i can feel the heat coming up off of it it's pretty amazing actually and like

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here's my hand i don't know if i can yeah you can kind of see it it's kind of

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glowing off my hand on the bottom there it's such a cool concept you know it's

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just there needs to be a little bit more efficiency in the thermal conduit like

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the contacts you know like you've got

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heat pipes you're putting in with thermal compound like that's not going to be as good as a

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soldered heat pipe into a aluminum block and unfortunately that seems to be what

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we're seeing here like obviously this is heating up and it's transferring heat

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pretty well but not well enough we went from 65

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watts at peak i think to 53 52 watts towards the end of the

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run there and now we're sitting at 4 watts idle so unfortunately i mean it

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worked you could run it this way but i wouldn't recommend it it's 100

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degrees the downside to running the CPU like this is that it's an Intel CPU with

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an Intel igpu and the gaming performance is

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frankly crap compared to the ryzen 7 5700g we saw about 55 FPS in rocket

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league at 1080p with everything turned to performance settings if asrock pushes

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the BIOS to fix the issue on this motherboard that would be perfect AMD's

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igpu performance makes for a much better gaming experience but given that there

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are no other em4 thin itx boards out there

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and we don't even know if a BIOS update can fix this issue

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we're hooped so where does that leave us

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we're a bit disappointed that the AMD setup throttles so badly but it does

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game well in a normal use case and a build like this isn't meant to be a

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render farm if we were to temper our expectations around running full bore

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then sure this is a cool little case but honestly the limited options for thin

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itx compounded by the difficult assembly makes this build not something i can

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thanks for watching guys this thing isn't so amazing but if you want to check out

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something else that's a little bit on the weirder side maybe check out the video we did on the streetcom d82 back

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in the ultimate compact pc video we did in 2019

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it's a lot more fun i assure you