and welcome to the WAN Show ladies and
gentlemen we're a little bit late but um at least we got the video done right
no no we didn't we didn't actually it was all for nothing really frustrated
but the least that we can do is give you guys an update on what exactly it was
that had us so gosh darn busy um we're
finally doing it alex has been chasing me to make this video pretty much since
he started we are doing a thermoelectric
cooled computer but instead of doing it kind of the um
like the the janky way well to be clear it's still janky but
it's probably the jankiest thing we've ever made but what it isn't is the stupid way of
doing it true yeah so it's it's it's
janky but it's like the right way
but also it it's the right way
to like do it from a peltier perspective
but we have this like box that's filled with electronics that's going to have it
has ac power and like 600 watts going through it and it's so sketchy
yeah it's pretty sketchy so we've got a great show for you guys today of course
the big headline is apple allowing third
parties to repair iphones so we'll get into that we also want to talk about the
uh some serious nerd drama that's going on with global
foundries issuing a lawsuit against tsmc so these
two chip fabs are going toe to toe and
finally AMD apparently agreed to pay out
35 per chip over their fx series marketing
lawsuit that is actually a pretty intro actually all
three of these have a a ton of meat so let's go ahead and get doug into them
after we remember for a change to roll that
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all right so it has been a pretty busy week the
first thing i saw on the chat there was people were like where's Anthony
and you know what that's pretty rude i haven't been on wan
show in a couple weeks and if we just had alex and Anthony doing it then i'd
feel pretty left out no they met they met instead of you but but actually
Anthony is really busy so alex and Anthony have both been working on really
really cool projects this week so alex has been doing the peltier one that we
just talked about so it's like a what 545 watt peltier
yeah strapped directly to the top of the CPU unfortunately we didn't quite get
that one done but at least you got further than Anthony with his
um but his is really cool too so um
this gets talked about sort of every once in a while and then the new cycle
passes and we all ignore it again but i don't know if you even realize
because you don't do our CPU reviews or really any of our legitimate
actual you know cooler reviews
you're more like okay build the most over kill thing with you know
300 to 1000 watts of cooling capacity
and then whatever we hook up to it it'll be cool enough don't worry about it
um but the way that Intel and AMD report
the TDP so the thermal design power i think it's thermal design power whatever
it is um thermal design parameter can't
remember the point is the amount of heat
that their that their chip is going to output the way that they calculate TDP
is completely different so
right now with ryzen 3rd gen and Intel's
um i guess they call it 9th gen
though i don't know that it is strictly speaking the ninth gen
it all depends on how you calculate generations because we've been on
skylake for a while now according to my watch
anyway with their current products on both sides
the way that AMD handles it is they basically do you know all this or am i
just talking to them no not really okay cool so the way that
AMD handles it is whatever the maximum
amount of heat that that chip could output um assuming that it is going it's
running full tilt that's considered to be the TDP under
like a reasonable load so if i were to
if i were to take my my you know ryzen 3 700 whatever processor
and i were to throw uh you know an egg on top of it
i can assume that if that thing is rated at a 105 watts
that i'm getting 105 watts of heat and it's going to take however long to cook my egg
pretty much because it will turbo as high as it possibly can within its power
and its thermal restraints or constraints excuse me
all right so on the Intel side of things now Intel has an eight-core desktop
processor just like AMD does uh the 9900k and it's rated at a mere 95 watts
so given that 95 watt rating that thing
should be easy to cool right yeah sure
so here's the thing Intel allows that chip to spike up to its max
turbo and then what it expects it to do what's
within the Intel specification is for it to ratchet back down so as the
as the power consumption and therefore the the heat that it is outputting goes
up and as its temperature climbs it's going to ratchet that down until
we meet this point that i think it's called p2
that is the TDP that they rate it for so
really what it's rated at is its base clock so they're they're they're
producing or they're using TDP as a guideline for
anyone who's producing a cooler that will satisfactorily
cool it at base clock speeds without causing
thermal throttling which is different from not boosting now that's something
you have a lot of experience with you want to explain for the people out there
what is the difference between thermal throttling
and boosting because you see this in laptops all the time right
yeah good a good one to think of is like the
Corsair one so in that
it's very small and although a 9900k
can boost to i don't know 4.8 or maybe like 4.5 all core something
like that it only does like 3.6
if you hit it for an extended period of time right whereas in something like the
MSI trident x it hits four 4.3 ish right
for a continued amount of time because it's cooler right so the point to
clarify there is that neither of those products necessarily
thermal throttled they just boosted more or less and that
MSI product is a great example of a customer of Intel's so in this case it's
MSI but ASUS actually had a big scandal around this a while back but a customer
of Intel's basically designed the the
firmware of their motherboard to operate the chip in a way that Intel
doesn't necessarily intend for it to yeah
so they intend for it to do it but only for short periods of time so there was
that whole thing do you remember back when i thought it was the 8700k was it
that one or was it 7700k i think it was 8700 think it was 8700k when all the
review sites had these completely different multi-threaded numbers for
this chip because some of them were using motherboards that used what's
called ASUS calls it multi-core enhancement which basically takes that
elevated clock and then just holds it there indefinitely and others were
behaving the way that Intel calls for them to behave which is to boost up to
it and then fall down so anyway
back to our discussion of tdps the project that Anthony is working on
involves taking i believe it's a ryzen
7 30 700x yeah i think so i think that's what
he's using and then a 9900k where the ryzen 7 3700x is rated at 105 watts TDP
and the 9900k is rated at 95 watts so on
paper you as the let's say the uneducated
layperson consumer walking into a store you look at these two products
one's got eight cores the other one's got eight cores right yeah one of them
is clocked at some clock speed and then also it turbos to whatever because
that's written on the box the other one is at some clock speed and it turbos or
whatever uh one of them you know what
i don't want that extra 10 watts on my power bill all the time one of them runs
you consumes less power and outputs less heat my room gets really warm in the
summer i think i'm going to go with that one that's 10 watts cooler yeah
but since it's not an apples to apples comparison and the chips are behaving
completely differently we think that the way that that's being
presented doesn't make a ton of sense so do you know much about what Anthony's
working on yeah isn't it just like you take a liter or some amount i don't
know if exactly a liter of water and you just
set it on top in a vial and see how long
it takes for it to heat up yeah basically so two thermal probes just
well we actually don't even need thermal probes because we're not trying to we're
not trying to get as granular as like exactly what is the TDP because then
we'd need like this thermally isolated environment we'd have
to make sure we're not losing any of the CPU's heat through the copper traces of
the motherboard like it's not realistic so what we're doing
is we're taking apples to apples to the greatest extent that we can in
comparison so the same amount of water and then we're putting a thermal dye
inside the water and we're basically going to go all right
whose dye turns i think it turns from white to black something like that or
black to white so whose dye changes color first to see if Intel's lower TDP
rating is actually representative of the
behavior of the CPU and we're gonna run the Intel one twice once at Intel's um specified oh yes uh
behavior so we're gonna not run multi-core enhancement and then one
at the way that i think most enthusiasts immediately flip the switch on their
cpus in order to get it to run faster
so i'm really excited about that one but unfortunately we weren't able to get all
the little details like how do we put um vessels of water on top of our cpus
without spilling them all over the place securely while maintaining enough
mounting pressure to have good thermal conductivity etc etc minor details we've
actually got it all sorted out now but we didn't have enough time to get it shot this morning which was when i had
time to shoot so stay tuned for that um people are
asking where is luke like legitimately where is luke he's down at pax
luke goes to pax every year with his family and now that we actually don't
cover pax anymore he gets to spend it with his family again there was a period
of about four years there five years i think where luke was still going to
packs and he'd like sneak away at night and you know hang out with his family
and friends and then be back at work in the morning work in the show floor um i
think that he wasn't always he wasn't a fan i'll say that
he was not a fan of that arrangement i think he's pretty happy that he gets to just legitimately actually go a ten
packs now although he's been pretty critical of it over the last couple of
years and says that it just hasn't been what it used to be but
that's okay ltx ltx is gonna
step up well then again at ltx like what
did he accomplish i think
didn't he try to like walk from one side to the other to get to something and
just didn't make it past the entrance yeah i think it was something along those
lines okay too nice of a guy oh i have an alex pacific question from john why
uh oh he deleted it oh it was deleted by nightbot what
oh why was that deleted okay uh john y wants to know what happened to the ricer
pc i would also love to have a status update on the racer pc
uh not a whole lot's happened with it uh
we've been doing a lot of other things like the tech coolers
and just making videos
that's about it okay yeah we do have some people that
are going to make different parts for us i'm just not
entirely sure who's making which part
so singularity computers
yeah i think they offered to do some blocks and stuff didn't they
um i'm not totally sure okay well we'll not
like make them do things right now
yeah we won't sign them up so yeah guys we do still intend to do it
the good news is we have all the hardware so now it's just a matter of
in good time um getting all yeah everything measured up getting blocks
produced planning out the build it is quite a bit
more complicated to do like a showcase
level of pc build on something that's running really old hardware that doesn't
have a ton of support for it anymore um
so give us time we will do it yeah also the workshop
is a workshop now there's been like this pretty large period for the past
couple months where we just couldn't really do projects because
everything was just in boxes over there so what all is actually hooked up over
there laser cutter no okay that's covered in destin
router router's fully operational router's good
mill um we got the tooling order done
so it's fully operational minus having everything to cut things drill press
drill press is good sander
it's like not bolted down but it's it's
okay okay so basically we're getting there yeah okay lathe tooling arrived in
the u.s so we seem to pick it up
great so guys give us time give us time um
all right speaking of giving time let's uh let's give you guys the thing that
you came for in a reasonable amount of time see i brought it around uh apple
announced his independent repair program uh link boy on the forum posted this and
the original source of the news is naturally
apple themselves so let's see how apple
puts their spin on this apple offers customers even more options
for safe reliable repair it's funny that they're branding third-party repair
businesses as safe and reliable when for so long
the line was that they weren't new independent repair provider program
expands genuine parts access to more repair businesses
all right so let's go through sort of the the key points here
um they announced new repair program offering customers additional options
for the most common out of warranty iphone repairs
apple will provide more independent repair businesses large or small with
the same genuine parts tools training repair manuals and diagnostics as its
apple authorized service providers or aasps
this is a quote so when a repair is needed a customer should have the
confidence that the repair is done right we believe the safest and most reliable
repair is one handled by a trained technician using genuine parts that have
been properly engineered and rigorously tested so here's what i want to know
why didn't apple want the kiosk in the mall to have decent parts before because
it's not like the kiosk in the mall was ever going to go away
so at the end of the day your customer apple
your customer was going to go there and they were
going to have either a really great experience by sheer blind luck
because you guys certainly didn't put any effort into
making that experience any smoother so you got lucky if they had a good time
or that customer was going to have a bad time and you know whose customer that is
yours so i mean
they get applause they just don't get like okay they get slow applause for
finally yeah gal i like that give up the golf clap
um okay i don't ah see i i fall into this
trap sometimes where when a company finally does the right
thing you still get mad i still get mad because
they did the wrong thing for so long and it's all this like pent-up frustration
but i shouldn't i shouldn't get mad about this
um with that said there's okay i should i
shouldn't get mad about the good parts of this because there's still parts of this that i can get legitimately mad
about so uh there's a couple things here the program is only going to allow
independent repair shops to offer out of warranty service for iphones
such as display battery replacements there is no mention of in-warranty
repairs or other devices so mr rossman
over there is not going to be getting diagnostic manuals for macbook pros
anytime soon as far as we can tell
and this is another really important point of clarification
apple has not announced along with this program any kind of um
uh any kind of process for general consumers to gain access to
genuine parts to conduct their own repairs
so yeah i think it's the out of warranty
service that gets me the most because
where this probably means the most to a lot of people
is like out in the boonies where like
buddy knows something about tech but doesn't have the right tools
and so they could just give them the right tools because like i don't know if
you're living in labrador you're not going to get to the genius store like
you you speak as though uh you you know this from experience
i don't know if people know where you're from
nova scotia yeah which isn't quite labrador but like from our perspective
it's been they only got an apple store there like pretty recently yeah
and so sort of thing where like you can go to lots of places to get your
stuff fixed but like i don't know most times just like a high
school kid that has some spudgers so i'm gonna i'm gonna
play devil's advocate here and i'm gonna say i totally get it if you're not a
fully certified apple authorized repair center i don't see them offering you a
warranty on the thing that was opened up by some random person that is fair
so i get that side of it but i'm still
really frustrated that as a consumer so like from a from a just right to repair
right to repair doesn't mean right for
some specific person to repair it means that if i have the know-how and the
inclination to work on upgrade or repair my own devices
i should have access to the same manuals the same
tools the same diagnostic utilities that
anyone else would because why not
they're going to be out there anyway especially now that they're opening up
this program like if they imagine for a second that they're just going to
certify a bunch of like random mom and pop shops in the philippines and these
manuals aren't going to be all over torrent sites everywhere like come on
come on just formalize what's already happening
so that we don't have this like black market of apple
pcb schematics like i'm serious oh yeah it's that crazy
like there's like honestly speaking
if you want like a brand new apple product you either have to get stolen
blueprints for it if you want to figure out like you know
what every what every sense pin is connected to
or i mean you'd have to i don't know you'd have to
rip apart a working device and like x-ray the thing and try and try and
reverse engineer it basically apple's pre i mean
that sounds fun yeah
so anyway anyway anyway in apple's defense again let's get
positive again for a second here the certification process is simple and free
of charge but meeting the requirements
which is basically that you have to have an apple certified technician who can
report perform the repairs does not guarantee acceptance into the
program and apple reserves the right to reject any application without telling
you why
wait should we do should we do something on this
we could have we try to apply to b1 yeah we should have like three or four people
just apply and see how many get in i think Anthony used to have his apple
certified crap hmm i wonder if we could like get him get
him like uh like get him um
that's what i'm looking for like get his certifications refreshed
and uh try and see if Linus media group
incorporated can become an apple what what are they calling it again uh
apple independent authorized service no no no we wouldn't
become an asp for sure but if we could just be like an iphone an iphone service
whatever get like our get our iphone manuals and stuff
that would be cool we'll just set up shop and like unit 105
or whatever people can just pull up we do have a
pretty legit like rework area i know right yeah not that apple is letting
shops do anything like that anyway you're basically just doing screen repairs and battery replacements but uh
maybe this is part of the lash back around apple's whole stupid thing where
they were taking even first party batteries and giving you like a battery
service notification in iOS do you hear about this no i didn't okay so pretty
much a recent change made it so that if you swap your battery even if you take
two identical iphones and just swap the batteries between them
so all apple first party parts
they would give you a notification in iOS that says your battery may require
servicing because they're tying the serial number of the phone to
uh like a serial number in the battery
so they're they're doing that so that it's easy to tell
if a phone was not battery swapped by an
apple authorized party because apple authorized parties
are able to reprogram the chip on the battery so that it'll match the phone so
you won't get that error so they got a ton of backlash for it because like yo
guys yeah for serious business at this point what are you even doing like it's
bad enough you make it so hard to swap the battery now i've gone i've done all
that work this stupid error come on so it looks
like they're just expanding the network of people who can do it legitimately
that people who repair things themselves
still have to deal with this crap yeah um
anyway it's uh so this follows apple's recent expansion of this authorized
service network into every best buy store in the u.s which actually tripled
the number of usasp locations compared to three years ago which is great but
the us really isn't um the
biggest problem um it's other places like labradoodle or
wherever you're from
i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry look look look i'm not going to be one of those elitist
you know torontonians or whatever they call themselves i'm aware
i'm aware that there are other parts of canada okay
i just don't care
sorry we have this okay for those of you are not canadian we have this like
inferiority complex over on the western side of the country because we like were
settled later like we didn't even get a railroad until i don't know 80 years ago
or something like that i'm kidding it was longer than that but it doesn't matter the point is we have like this
inferiority complex because our government and the vast majority of
our population are all thousands of kilometers away and
sometimes you know the decisions that they make uh for the direction of the
company company the country don't really have a lot to do with the concerns of
people over here so we just feel kind of ignored you know it's like
oh you know what's canada's baseball team
well toronto whatever they're called it's a bird or
something you know what's canada's basketball team i don't
know some other bird um oh it's like
i i i know i know it's a dinosaur raptor not a bad raptor but the blue jays
aren't a dinosaur yes it is it isn't shut up it is that's hot enough for your
crap birds or dinosaurs okay you can you can make that argument
but that's up for a com that's a different podcast you go you go talk
about that on some other podcast um
how did we get on this uh oh right the point was that the u.s
is not the main concern most people in the u.s compared to rural parts of you
know russia or something have relatively
easy access to an aasp and i'm not saying it's perfect
everywhere i'm just saying that right now the program is only launched in the
u.s with plans to expand to other countries so it's clearly not a complete
solution but it is a step in the right direction i just always question apple's
motives when they do stuff like this is it a step in the right direction as part
of a greater movement towards a more consumer
focused attitude or is it a step in the right direction
to appease people and make them shut up while they continue to march in
completely the opposite direction as a more general rule for their business
behind the scenes which one do you think
are they getting more consumer-friendly
yes but are they doing it out of the
goodness of their hearts
probably both you think so wow
like it's not like entirely out of the
goodness of their hearts but you know it's the kind of thing where
it's a bit of both
what are what are people saying john wick says quebec feels ignored don't
complain dude quebec does not get ignored quebec complains so loudly
that like we can't be heard over their noise and i'm not saying quebec doesn't
have legitimate grievances i'm just saying that to say that quebec gets
ignored is um a very quebecois thing to say
uh what can i do for you nick uh did you talk about the new shirt you guys are
still talking about apple so i actually have not talked about the new shirt i
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wow that is a great picture of david
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time selling them all because the store so far had not sold
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something like that and we sold out a swag in like two weeks so you guys are
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and then get completely consumed by all right in other news this week global
foundries has issued a lawsuit against tsmc and
if you guys don't already know how high drama this whole situation is
i'm gonna skip straight to tsmc's
response to uh
here it is let me see blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah oh man oh yeah that's ruthless i don't think where is it where is it in
here
there ah yes okay this is great
um oh no that's not even it oh that's
hilarious okay no that was from um a tech analyst
significant damages you know what i don't think it's in my notes so do you want to start walking people through
what's going on here while i find this quote it's fantastic
um so i don't really know the details but
basically that's fine you just read the thing and pretend you know
global foundries has filed lawsuits against taiwan semiconductor manufacturing company in the u.s and
germany over alleged infringement on 16 patents
the company said they're looking to halt the import of processors maybe the
technology and is seeking to or and is seeking significant damages
from tsmc based on tsmc's unlawful use
of gf's for priority technology in the tens of billions of dollars of sales
um basically it'd be really bad because NVIDIA apple
um doesn't AMD also use them
pretty much everyone that makes fast things now uses
tsmc global foundries fell a little bit behind um and when you file a little bit
behind in semiconductor manufacture you're in trouble yeah you're basically
done um
uh so like what even happens if this goes
through like do we just do we have like the titan rtx and it's
like suddenly gold because you can't get any more or something um realistically
like this kind of thing comes out all the time where you know
i mean back when uh back when apple and samsung were going toe-to-toe over the
original galaxy s vibrant and how it looks just like an iphone and all that
kind of stuff and you know they'll seek sales and junctions or whatever the case
may be like sales bans the reality is that it usually takes so
long to be processed that any product that would be affected
by it is long gone from store shelves before anything
actually happens and this is more it ends up a lot of the time being more
about posturing than anything else now the unfortunate thing about this
situation is if it just covers anything made by tsmc
yeah it could actually affect your ability to buy
a NVIDIA graphics card in any countries that will that will
uphold um this kind of a ruling
it could create like a black market for graphics cards that are like
manufactured in taiwan sorry the chips manufacture so the chips
are manufactured under one the cards are assembled in china and then they're like
you know shipped through india or something and then like snuck into port
and the us or whatever well it says u.s and germany so maybe we can just get a
bunch and we're pretty close to the border
not an actual business strategy don't you
i was uh someone found the threat found the uh
the quote in the thread on our forum
but i'm having a really really hard time finding it
ah tsmc because um
oh dang it i hate this i'm so mad okay
in a nutshell they basically said
yeah we're going to defend ourselves and we think it would probably be a good
idea if they would just focus on making better
products than resorting to this kind of um
you know patent infringement lawsuit crap
in a nutshell oh maybe it was the other
thread nope that was just page two dang it all right whatever i give up
so i guess that's pretty much uh i guess that's pretty much all we have to say
about that yeah that would be bad yeah good luck
global foundries uh seems like they must be pretty desperate so in august 2018
they ceased development of their seven nanometer process to focus on being a
specialty foundry which is i guess another way of saying that you can't
compete at the bleeding edge so you're just going to go out there and
find customers that don't need their products manufactured
on the bleeding edge and like that's fine there's plenty of customers for
that out there um it's just
it's like going for venture capital or like getting venture capital and being
like you know i just kind of want the loan for my parents yeah
ouch right what else we got here oh this is a big one
so this was posted by rainbow dash on the forum not the real rainbow dash of course uh
the original article here is from the register.co.uk
but AMD has agreed to play to pay purchasers of its fx bulldozer
processors a total of 12.1 million
dollars to settle a four-year false advertising lawsuit that works out
to about 35 a chip um oh man i remember
this great um
Intel used to have some really edgy advertising back when they had this like
we are unassailable swagger going on um
so this was a little bit beforehand let me see if i can find the image
oh that's a shame i just remember they sent
us this advertising collateral back when i was working at ncix
back when AMD was advertising their triple cores which were basically
uh failed quad cores that had one of the cores disabled and what was cool was
that in many cases they could be re-enabled
and Intel sent over this ad collateral that said like
um more is not necessarily better or something like that and it had like
a like beefy looking chopper motorcycle that was blue
and then like a green or red i forget whether AMD had switched over to red yet
at that point but a tricycle next to it and i was like oh you guys you so edgy
anyway the whole core marketing for AMD
ended up getting them into trouble because they went from the fx
oh man i'm trying to remember sorry it was the phenom 1100 t was their flagship
six core processor and that was based on their
steamroller i'm sorry i'm a little bit i'm a little bit hazy on my
eight-year-old code names but the 1100t was an unlocked six core processor
phenom black edition or something along those lines and it had
um from like uh from like a
traditional sense so it had both floating point and integer units for
each of those six cores then AMD launched the world's first
eight core desktop processor the fx i
think it was 8150 was the first one do you remember any of this all right don't
worry about it fx 8150 but
the problem with the fx 8150 was that it
didn't have in the same definition that AMD had
previously used it didn't have eight
full cores so i think it only had eight
integer units um but then only four
floating point units or something like that yeah yeah is that is that right yeah that's
right okay and crucially a single floating point you know yep yep so what
that meant was that for certain workloads
certain workloads it did actually behave
kind of like an eight-core processor but for other ones it only had the horses
under the hood of a quad-core processor and they were advertising it as an
eight-core processor when the entire rest of the industry which is
AMD at every point previously though to be clear if we go back far
enough uh cpus used to have things like cash off board so
let's ignore that era but everyone including AMD and of course Intel had
sort of decided that a CPU core needed to have
both a floating point and an integer unit
so in january this year a california judge rejected AMD's claim that a
specific significant majority of people understood the term core the same way it
did and uh based on the results of a poll of
the register readers it appears most c-cores in the same way as the litigants
so 47 said a core should be fully independent whereas a mere 28 were rabid
AMD fanboys and said that it can share
execution engines so this has led to um both AMD and the
plaintiff's lawyers oh this this is great uh this appears to be some
editorial from the register there they said the insanity that is class action
lawsuits has led both AMD and the plaintiff's lawyers to argue to the
judge that 12.1 million is a fair amount
despite the fact that consumers paid an additional 60 million in premiums for
their eight core processors
i don't know this is honestly kind of a tough one for me because i really do see
it both ways on the one hand
yeah it was kind of bs but on the other hand is it really any more bs than
you know NVIDIA calling their gpus 2000 core
processors like they call them cuda cores but
they're not cores in the same way that a CPU core is a core like get real
yeah you have to read the fine print on this stuff it's highly technical stuff
for me i thought that it was like pretty greasy like i know when i learned that it was like
only half actual cores 1.5 of course
yeah because like a lot of stuff uses fpu like
yeah i don't know i guess also kind of like
not many things use a cores even now so
i don't know how much of a difference it would have made but
it just i don't know it just
doesn't sit right with you know what here's what i want to know
let's create a straw poll here
i want to hear from you guys but here's the trick i only want to hear from you
guys if you actually bought that means real money
when it was new so i'm not talking like
your buddy was getting rid of his fx when he upgraded to
something better or whatever i'm talking you bought brand new from a store a
bulldozer processor an fx a core processor and i want to know do you feel
ripped off
no not maybe do you feel ripped off because really when you when you calculate the damage of a class-action
lawsuit it's more about the money so
or it's more about that it's about the false advertising so would you have made
a different decision
would you have bought something else
because here's the thing core advertising or boost clock speeds
or whatever the actually yeah the TDP discussion that we had earlier is
another perfect example of just
if you just read the box of a CPU knowing that this is a highly technical
product you kind of got what was coming to you
so core processing or core counts aside and advertising
aside any computer purchase should come down
to benchmarks anyway
not down to the specs because the specs are ultimately pretty much meaningless
all right i'm going to go ahead and dump this in the youtube chat
i actually don't know where to find the live video on our channel here
oh there it is wow that was easy neat
yeah i would say framed like that i am a no
like i don't think that it would change how i thought about it so you
would have just done your research and made a decision based on the raw
performance of the thing
yeah right and like
for a lot of things do you think it really makes a difference like
not i don't know like as uh as an educated consumer no it made no
difference to me whatsoever how AMD wanted to advertise their stupid thing
um i knew that it performed like hot garbage literally hot garbage
and so i was not interested in it um
but i guess like sometimes i can be kind of out of touch in that sense you know
it's funny i had someone call me out of touch but i think it was
i think this was not the way that they meant it because we talked a little
while about how user benchmark i think it's called oh yes how i had never heard
of that before like you're so out of touch must be nice
to just have all that stuff on hand so you can test it yourself
i'm like no i didn't always have all that and i
still didn't resort to like what's that other stupid site like
GPU check or something like that where like you know anytime you google like
1080 ti versus ti stupid garbage these
garbage town websites that just like
count cuda course basically and say which one is better like that's not how
you research hardware i didn't have to have all this stuff to be able to figure
out how things perform relative to each other you just go out you look for
independent reviews of them you find numbers that
match and then you can use that to compare something that was never
directly compared so if one review has a
direct comparison between a 3700x and a 9900k
and then another review has a comparison between a 3700x and
9400 no it's not that hard it's not that hard
you have to be willing to put a little bit of work into it the point is you can
compare 9900k to 9400 as long as the thing that they have in common
sort of agrees it's pretty close yeah but you're thinking of like someone that
gets that not the sort of person that's like oh like how does a gtx 760 compare
to i don't know uh
1050 like you just type that in no no no
no it's like it's not very difficult for like you or me
to like figure how it all matches up yeah because you just have to go find reviews
of like the 960 and then also the 1060
and you can bridge the gap yeah it's not all that difficult
but if the first search result that comes up is like oh this one right here
is however many percent faster than the other one you're just going to click that you're
going to use the number and you're going to be like okay yeah
all right we've got our results i'm so sorry Floatplane um we were already
really late for the show and i didn't have time to sign in so i didn't check your chat uh and i didn't post it there
i feel terrible you guys are great um
speaking of chats um uh what's his name um
robert mayhall i'm sorry that i said that wrong sent us the tsmc quote
oh super chat oh where is it it's right here oh this is great thank you robert
we are disappointed to see a foundry pier resort to meritless lawsuits
instead of competing in the marketplace with technology
tsmc is proud of its technology leadership manufacturing excellence and
unwavering commitment to customers so basically they just said
if it's too hot in the kitchen then get you know get your ass out
yeah sorry you're not good yeah sorry not sorry
so this is interesting it split i wouldn't say down the middle
but it's a lot more even than i would have thought so 40 of people would have bought
something else with just shy of 60 saying no they would have bought exactly
the same thing because they probably did all the same research that yeah we would
normally do and knew exactly what it was that they were buying
i don't know it's a funny thing because from my perspective i don't really care
that much about like
jesus was in here earlier this week talking about how they were the first to have a 120 hertz laptop and i was like
okay but i would never buy something because
of a manufacturer like being like look how cool we are
what do i care about that how many FPS do i get in my game shut up about that
other stuff so
yeah i just i can find that kind of thing looks like confusing
all right so we should see if there's any anything else that we wanted to uh talk about real quick oh yeah this is
something that just sort of bothered me i don't know why they did it um
this was posted by jc helios on the forum oh yeah the original article is
from nine to five google and uh mine go ahead i don't know this just really
annoyed me i have no idea why they did it yeah i was this happened to me like
very recently i was just trying to find a wallpaper for like a secondary pc
and i went into google images and the
search by exact size or larger than where you can like type in the numbers
it's just gone so
i don't know that's about it but i'm just really annoyed because why remove
it maybe have it like a bit harder to get to if you don't want
it around but i don't why you'd remove it using google's advanced image search
feature you can still filter by sizes larger than certain megapixel counts but
the ability to filter by exact size isn't available there
bing by contrast apparently does still offer the exact size image filtering
it's too bad that is a steaming pile of garbage
yeah so now it's time for the super chats
hey chats you super nope says mighty car mods car pc collab
we would love to they're not exactly located close to here
um the stuff that they work on is big the stuff that we work on is big
time consuming that is a fairly major project we're not saying no
we're just saying uh not yet
human gilly says Linus when are you going to come to australia i would love
to come to australia there we go
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but i'm not going there to work
gamer55 sends a dollar thank you
rust is rust i too god i don't know what that says keep it the great work
everyone why thank you alexander says new batch of stealth
hoodies when uh next week
tony says Linus is beautiful you knew i was going to read that i wasn't going to
gloss over that one engram says love the earrings don't lie
to me people are just
tommy gunn are you going to revive Channel Super Fun soon we want to we
haven't had time yet it is on the road map
why is your back is there an update on Floatplane merge um
not yet we will we will do Floatplane merch
eventually uh joshua says any plan to look at via's
weird x86 chips i didn't know they were making new x86 chips
via the new CPU you gotta be kidding me
okay so this is like
september last year
hmm oh i think that we tried to get one
and then didn't but i i don't know i wasn't involved in
that so interesting yeah we could try again um
yeah it looks like it's like a weird chinese processor or something
a lot of time that stuff's really hard to get out of china but
we did get our hands on the honor tv so uh oh yeah that should give you guys
some idea how our sourcing in china game is going
owen says hi apologies for this but hit you up on d forum by dm okay good to
know uh sport says hi from switzerland just a
fellow vancouverite creating swiss LTT fans here all right cool
uh Linus when do you get so handsome uh it's a filter did you hear about that
no the like um the old lady in china who
was using a filter um to be like a cam girl
well this is awesome i don't know if they talked about this on WAN Show uh
filter you mean on tech link china
um cam girl i don't know i'm just putting
in every keyword that could that i think might help me bring this up
uh this young vloggers beauty filter
glitched midstream revealing a 58 year old woman
that is apparently a real-time filter that she was applying to her streams
that's actually pretty impressive it's really impressive yeah you got like the
face shaping going on there like nose shaping
eye shaping like has anyone found that this is fake
news i haven't found any uh i haven't found any evidence to suggest
that it is fake but i also oh wait oh wow this is bbc
okay yep it's probably fine
and i didn't find any other pictures because it'd be nice to have more than
just one still like a video of the stream might be kind of cool but yeah
saw that thought that was pretty pretty fascinating
i don't remember how we got on that subject right yeah that's what i'm doing
ah what else we got here i bought tickets for last ltx but
couldn't go still glad i could contribute can't wait to go next year see you there connor
uh the novaron do gym shorts at the ltd store i actually totally want to do
workout clothes uh i want basically i want to stop paying for my badminton
clothes that's my secret agenda so if you guys could all buy a bunch of it so
that i don't have to buy well i mean i buy it i buy all of it but like
i don't know whatever the point is it feels different i wanna yeah it feel it
feels different it feels different when instead of like going to a store to buy
this RAM shirt uh lloyd or nick just walks into my office and gives me a
stack of RAM shirts and it's like hey you gotta promote this now and i'm like cool i love this thing
um so yes i paid for it in fact i paid more
than you guys because i actually like hired employees to create it but um
yeah you got samples those are not cheap doesn't matter yeah actually
did you guys know like how much freaking samples cost it'll be anywhere from like
3x to 30x what the the finished product
will be for stuff that's as simple as like a mousepad or whatever actually
mousepads are a bad example because the samples are pretty cheap for that because it's mostly like a digital
printing process now but uh did i just give something away yeah i think so
we're doing a mouse pad uh anyway mike says do you know anything about
fixing yourself oh yeah i do
just go see dr pollock
uh i'm not reading your username but says i
would i was wondering if you'd be willing to do an episode on the history of pc sound and sound hardware didn't we
kind of do that that's really interesting um i don't think so not to
the degree of depth that this individual is probably hoping for because there is
a lot that went on there sound used to be a much much more demanding thing
before uh microsoft basically took the whole thing and put it in software with
Windows vista i feel like lazy game reviews has a good video on that
probably um cooper says hey guys been a fan since
i had a barely functional 5850 now i'm rocking a watercool 2080 ti
what 2000 sarah component do you miss the most
none of them
there were some cool cases back then you probably wouldn't remember any of
this stuff but um man check out this thing
oh yes is the thermaltake zazer series
these were some flashy pants friggin
computer cases guys let's check this shiz out
what else we got here oh man look at this blue one
i think the zazer 3 was oh is this the three
no i wanted the two oh yeah
that's the one i was looking for look at this thing it's beautiful
aluminum construction this was like a premium case back then this was like
gamer love it look at these one of these
builds from back then that's like that's like a show build you know did it have
cathodes in it uh oh probably like this is this was like in
advertising no one would even dare show that on like
build.gg or whatever these days it's great um what else we got
um uh dyslexicon says spending money on
super chat that won't get read and i'm pretty sure you lied two dollars is usually the uh the free one
but i read it so now you're a double liar uh joey says can you lower shipping
costs for canadians they are as low as they are um those are our shipping costs
we don't make profit on the shipping
so the only way for us to lower our shipping costs is to do more volume through canada post basically
uh adam says been watching LTT since ncix love to see the changes over the
years keep up the good work andrew says i used your code to buy shroud's coffee
at madrid his coffee is pretty good actually yeah
but he used our code okay you know what he used our code thank you
but not to buy our coffee it's okay i'm over it yeah uh dalsem
says i would love an armored swag kit for a motorbike okay that would be so
much friggin work do you know how hard it was to do the swag it as it is
i love it and it was totally worth it but like
no put some goalie gear outside of it yeah why not oh yeah sure it's that
simple thank you um jackson
i'm 13 years old i love your show just wanted to say hey
hey back where are the like buttons on Floatplane luke's working on it
all right so hold on a minute oh yeah okay this was robert mail
thank you i just saw that finally now uh a broken tv says i wrote a stage play
alex you can't do that it'll ruin the company minus you misunderstand i am the
company i think we could work that line into it
if we did a stage play sure um oh where'd it go it just moved
someone said new intro when uh not sure i may just kill the intro
yeah maybe we just won't have an intro
anymore because like people who drop out during the intro our watch time that we don't
have maybe we just don't need to uh maybe we don't need to like
brand ourselves to death with that said the amount of branding that we've done
not just for the channel but also for the company i think has contributed to
um people's awareness of us in general so
i'm not sure what the right answer is yeah
uh the phoenix i just got my swaggett stealth hoodie processor shirt hat and
underwear is all awesome and worth every penny thank you phoenix
um mcringleborot can't wait for the LTT
sandals can't wait to be the first to resell them on goat
what is goat i'm like afraid to google this
goat is it like something to do with shoes
goat shoes goat.com the safest way to buy i'm sorry what what what is this
oh no i licked my fingers oh gross sharp
hands oh gross okay
why did i do that i deserve it for eating on stream
all right what the heck is this
so is it just like is it just a shoe store i think it's selling like
hard to get shoes maybe like how much do those cost
125 bucks that seems pretty reasonable or used for 120.
oh okay so this is a used marketplace then
okay so you want to resell them on goad
wow um okay i mean everybody has to have
goals and that's important to maintain your
focus so i commend you for it
uh okay
i think that's pretty much all we can do
for now thank you guys so much for tuning in we'll see you again next week
same bad time same bat channel
so long
oh i can't believe we didn't finish the video today
yeah i'm so disappointed i wanted to know if it was gonna work
i still want to know if it's going to work yeah
i'm still concerned it's going to catch on fire