WEBVTT 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:07.040 So, this entire project actually came about when I was joking around with 00:00:04.319 --> 00:00:13.519 Brandon in between shots because the thing is is that out of the box, a RED 00:00:09.760 --> 00:00:15.360 8K camera, so this is one of their DSMC2 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:21.439 platform cameras or whatever. It's got their Helium 8K sensor on it. Out of the 00:00:17.840 --> 00:00:23.279 box, they're super compact to the point 00:00:21.439 --> 00:00:26.400 where like it's kind of a miracle that they managed to keep the things cool 00:00:24.880 --> 00:00:31.359 because there's a lot of data moving through them. But the thing is, by the 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:35.680 time you rig them up with your external display, your big old lens, your couple 00:00:33.680 --> 00:00:39.680 battery packs, your quick release, your um what's this thing called? Your your 00:00:37.680 --> 00:00:44.239 top handle, whatever else. Like they're so bulky that it wouldn't be that much 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:48.239 of a stretch then to like clip a radiator to it. We're kind of joking 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:57.879 about this and laughing and then all of a sudden got serious. 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:57.879 Why don't we water cool a camera? 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:04.349 Well, I couldn't think of a reason not to. So, here we are. 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:08.960 Oh god. 00:01:08.960 --> 00:01:15.840 So, here's the thing. I'm not sure if anybody's ever done anything like this 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:22.320 before. Even just tearing it down. Like when I search for red camera 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:24.640 disassembly, I get like a a manual from 00:01:22.320 --> 00:01:30.000 Rocket Rentals, something about a Leica M camera. Now, there's a Red Epic X 5K 00:01:28.320 --> 00:01:35.119 camera tear down, but Extreme Tech didn't actually do it. They just grabbed 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:37.119 some photos of the FCC's tearown where 00:01:35.119 --> 00:01:41.200 they made sure it complied with all the rules and regulations and stuff. It 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:48.159 would appear that after a cursory Google search anyway, we are in uncharted 00:01:44.320 --> 00:01:52.320 waters here. Waters, get it. 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:56.880 I have no instructions. All I have is 00:01:52.320 --> 00:01:59.759 this camera body and this iFix it kit 00:01:56.880 --> 00:02:03.680 and this uh my phone because I'm going to be taking a lot of pictures as I go 00:02:01.759 --> 00:02:09.039 here to hopefully make sure that I don't screw this up too badly. So, there's a 00:02:06.320 --> 00:02:13.920 few things that we do know. We can see that our main cooling heat sink is right 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:18.800 by this vent here. So there's our intake, I believe. No, that looks like 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:22.879 our exhaust. And then here's our intake. Yeah, that says intake fans right there. 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:27.599 And so it's blowing through the body this way and out that way. So the the 00:02:24.959 --> 00:02:34.160 cooling seems to take place at the back. So maybe we could start at the back. You 00:02:31.760 --> 00:02:40.440 know what? Let's let's start from the bottom. We're going we're going bottom 00:02:37.440 --> 00:02:40.440 up. 00:02:41.040 --> 00:02:48.160 You know, I feel like I need one of those project mats. 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:52.120 Here we go. I'll just make myself a handle. Okay. 00:02:52.239 --> 00:02:59.760 No. Well, that's it. I give up. Forget it. 00:02:57.760 --> 00:03:04.159 Sure. This is going to be a system that will work great because holding the 00:03:01.760 --> 00:03:12.720 threads like that, we will definitely be able to see how long the screw is. Oh, 00:03:09.920 --> 00:03:17.120 okay. So, this is their monitor attachment. And then this is uh David, 00:03:15.440 --> 00:03:23.120 what does this one do? I don't know. Okay. I don't know. But what that means 00:03:20.959 --> 00:03:29.680 is that there could be delicate ribbon cables behind any pieces that we remove. 00:03:27.760 --> 00:03:33.760 We're kind of working blind here and we don't want to pull too hard on things. 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:39.760 Bloody hell. So, this is loose, but this is not completely loose. Yeah, we are 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:45.760 going to need to loosen that somehow. 00:03:42.720 --> 00:03:49.519 Crap. All right. Well, the next thing we 00:03:45.760 --> 00:03:52.239 can pull off is the mag holder. 00:03:49.519 --> 00:03:56.879 Oh, okay. Oh, wow. This actually looks like it might be simpler than I thought. 00:03:54.080 --> 00:04:02.319 So, this is the uh the mag reader right here. And it just uses a simple pushin 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:10.720 connector that goes right there. And then that actually gives us access to 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:12.799 this ribbon. I think it's this ribbon. 00:04:10.720 --> 00:04:17.680 Damn it, it's not that ribbon. Now, some of you watching from home, 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:23.520 including even ones that work at Red Digital Cinema, are probably wondering, 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:29.440 why would you water cool a camera? What could you possibly hope to achieve? 00:04:27.520 --> 00:04:35.680 I mean, I'm not expecting any better performance. Cooling it more, um, while 00:04:32.960 --> 00:04:42.720 it could have the potential to increase its longevity, is not going to get us 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:44.960 more resolution or more FPS or or or 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:50.320 anything like that. So, I guess if I was going to set out a success or fail bar 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:58.080 for this project, it would be if we managed to make the 00:04:52.400 --> 00:05:00.639 camera cooler and or quieter, 00:04:58.080 --> 00:05:04.960 then I would consider it to be a massive success because, as some of you will 00:05:03.440 --> 00:05:10.560 know, especially if you've worked with reds in an onloation environment, uh, or 00:05:08.400 --> 00:05:15.039 in a setting that's that's quite hot, uh, in between shots, they'll actually 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:18.560 ramp up their fans quite a lot in order to keep the internals cool. Like they 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:21.759 turn it off while you're shooting, which is good because you can't have a bunch 00:05:19.919 --> 00:05:26.960 of fan noise while you're trying to record audio, but um in between they'll 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:30.720 they'll ramp them up quite high. So, if we could find a way to eliminate that 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:34.320 behavior, that would be pretty cool, too. 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:37.120 And aside from what exactly it is that we hope to accomplish, there are 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:42.160 actually a lot of other things that we don't know yet either, including whether 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:47.039 or not this is even possible or if we are just 00:05:43.840 --> 00:05:50.000 barking up a completely empty pointless 00:05:47.039 --> 00:05:56.000 tree. I mean, red wouldn't tell us anything. So, the only way for us to 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:59.280 find out if the camera can even have its 00:05:56.000 --> 00:06:02.080 cooling changed is to open it up and see 00:05:59.280 --> 00:06:06.160 for ourselves. I'm starting to get a little nervous 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:14.880 though. This is uh not quite as simple as just pop off one side 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:17.440 and be able to see. Oh, well, there's 00:06:14.880 --> 00:06:25.039 that warranty void if removed. Wait, what the hell? How did this come off? 00:06:21.039 --> 00:06:28.400 Okay. Oh, there's our button. Oh, wow. 00:06:25.039 --> 00:06:31.360 This is not going to be easy. There's a 00:06:28.400 --> 00:06:37.199 cooling block here. That looks like it's dealing with the bottom side of this 00:06:34.479 --> 00:06:44.479 what looks like it should be a PCB, but it seems to be brass. Then there's what 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:46.160 appears to be a second one right here, 00:06:44.479 --> 00:06:51.360 and it's interfacing with whatever this chip is right here. Then there are heat 00:06:48.400 --> 00:06:56.880 pipes that run down under this PCB on the side here into this heat sink right 00:06:54.400 --> 00:07:01.199 here, which is much larger than I anticipated. Like this is a serious 00:06:59.440 --> 00:07:07.280 machine. That is a significant amount of heat that they're trying to move away from it. So, as far as I can tell, the 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:12.639 next step is to remove this PCB and give ourselves a better look at the heat 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:15.919 sink. Huh. So, we've got a XYlink Kim 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:18.160 Tech 7 ASIC on here. I wonder what you 00:07:15.919 --> 00:07:25.039 do. I'm not even going to try to guess right now. 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:29.039 Okay. I'm sweating. 00:07:25.039 --> 00:07:33.840 Quite literally sweating right now. Oh, 00:07:29.039 --> 00:07:37.520 so this opens to reveal not a screw but 00:07:33.840 --> 00:07:41.039 some kind of antenna connector. Okay, so 00:07:37.520 --> 00:07:43.440 this antenna connector is actually for 00:07:41.039 --> 00:07:52.560 something to do with up here in the fans. Oh well, wait. H Brandon, does the 00:07:48.400 --> 00:07:54.560 red have any wireless functionality? 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:59.440 Does it? Okay, there you go. So, this presumably 00:07:57.039 --> 00:08:05.039 is our Wi-Fi chipset. Okay. So, I was kind of worried about 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:07.120 jumping the gun on removing the sensor 00:08:05.039 --> 00:08:10.240 housing because I don't want to get any dust on it or anything and I'm not 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:17.199 exactly working in a clean room, but it appears as though I have just freed it. 00:08:14.080 --> 00:08:20.160 Oh, what the hell? 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:24.479 This is all one big thing. Oh, man. 00:08:22.479 --> 00:08:30.400 the housing for the sensor here at the front. It's come free um when I remove 00:08:28.080 --> 00:08:36.240 the screws from the PCB here, but it's taking the heat sink with it. See that? 00:08:32.640 --> 00:08:38.479 Like the heat sink can't get out. 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:46.440 Um Oh, and there's a separate heat sink back there. Oh, man. Why are we doing 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:46.440 this? This is a really stupid project. 00:08:47.680 --> 00:08:53.760 Oh, you bastard. What now? So, there's a 00:08:51.040 --> 00:08:57.920 rubber grommet that the heat pipes pass through. Can you see that? 00:08:56.080 --> 00:09:01.440 There must be a thermal reason for doing it. Maybe it's just to control air flow 00:09:00.160 --> 00:09:06.720 to make sure that they don't lose any leakage. 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:09.680 Oh, that's in tight. Oh, man. This has a 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:14.240 wrench freaking head on it. Oh, wait. You've got to be kidding me. It's 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:18.720 tightening up. Holy crap. It's turning the socket under it. That's bad. As long 00:09:16.959 --> 00:09:23.360 as I can rotate this a little bit, I can access the one on the other side. Oh my 00:09:21.920 --> 00:09:28.640 god. Where did this plug into on the other end? I don't remember removing two ends of this. 00:09:25.680 --> 00:09:30.640 Oh, what? Oh god. What is this? Well, you know about this project 00:09:30.160 --> 00:09:34.720 already. What? What pro? You didn't know that we're getting 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:39.839 started on it yet, I don't think. Oh, is this the red? It's what remains of a red. So, this guy 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:45.519 goes on like this. You can tell from the glue on here and on here and how I 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:47.200 ripped it off. And then this guy has 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:50.560 it's kind of like a GPU I think where there's like a big chip and then some 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:55.760 small chips around it that all have thermal goop on them. Okay. So that's that. Can you kind of envision 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:59.600 it now? Picture them all vertically aligned instead. Yeah. Yeah. 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:02.080 Okay. So there's another couple components here. 00:10:00.560 --> 00:10:06.320 The idea is basically just have like this and then like a rad kind of 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:11.360 Oh yeah. The rad comes outside. So, like where the air cooling exhaust is, we 00:10:08.880 --> 00:10:15.440 would just like put a couple freaking holes in it and run tubing out. 00:10:13.680 --> 00:10:20.240 Would we even have space for fittings in the blocks? No. 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:24.880 So, we just have to like solder tubes right onto the blocks then. 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:28.720 Possibly. But remember, these heat sinks go away. 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:33.360 Yeah, true. Right. So if we and and these ribbons 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:37.600 have a little bit of play, so we can make ourselves a little bit 00:10:35.760 --> 00:10:40.720 more room between these without giving up necessary space here because all 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:44.480 these heat sinks go away. Yeah, like this one. This one not too 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:48.560 hard. I'm concerned about this one. Yeah, me too. 00:10:47.040 --> 00:10:55.920 And that also seems to be the one that needs the most cooling. Yes, that's the one with the heat pipes. 00:10:51.839 --> 00:10:59.040 This was a really bad idea. 00:10:55.920 --> 00:11:00.640 Yeah, but also like a good one. 00:10:59.040 --> 00:11:05.680 How are we going to mount on it here? Is it just thermal pasted on? 00:11:02.640 --> 00:11:07.440 Oh my god. No. It's screwed in from the 00:11:05.680 --> 00:11:10.160 top. Look at these gaps in the fins. These are not an accident. 00:11:08.800 --> 00:11:14.880 It's not going to work. Why not? Give me one reason why not. 00:11:13.040 --> 00:11:18.160 Cuz you don't have enough clearance. I might. 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:21.760 Not quite working. Yeah. I think we need to get a super 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:25.839 skinny driver. Yeah, it seems like it. 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:30.240 That's going to be a custom order part. Okay. So, I've got these three screws 00:11:27.680 --> 00:11:34.480 off now. Oh, it's far worse than I thought. There are no fewer than 10 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:38.959 elements that need to be cooled on this one. Red doesn't subscribe to the less 00:11:36.640 --> 00:11:45.360 is more philosophy. What the hell? 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:47.120 I have never seen anything like that. 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:51.839 Is that the chip? As far as I can tell, 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:54.959 but it has two screw holes through it. How the hell do we make a water block 00:11:53.440 --> 00:12:00.240 for that? Well, why do you think I brought you in 00:11:56.480 --> 00:12:02.880 here? This is quite the project. 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:09.360 So, I guess what you're saying is don't hold your breath for part two. 00:12:05.680 --> 00:12:12.480 Yeah. No. Coming to you 2020. 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:14.000 Well, no. We can finish it next year. 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:18.000 Yeah. It'll be Yeah. Next. Like, we're going to be on it, but like 00:12:15.839 --> 00:12:23.440 holy [ __ ] It's like operation, but 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:26.560 it's a victim, not a patient. 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:28.560 This thing is so full of AS6. Like, no 00:12:26.560 --> 00:12:31.519 wonder the thing's so damn expensive. I wonder if some of them are just 00:12:29.680 --> 00:12:36.079 FPGAAS. Well, what is this thing? 00:12:33.920 --> 00:12:40.240 Hold on a second. No, it's not $5,000. Hold on a second. It's 28 nmter, though. 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:45.120 Like, that's not Yeah, it's pretty like bit tier stuff. 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:51.279 How much are they? Uh, it's hard to say. This is uh 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:56.480 extended price. $1,600 for one. And that's that's just this 00:12:54.880 --> 00:13:00.079 shift, not like anything else. We are so [ __ ] I mean, if we just 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:03.839 have to like cobble the thing together and like kind of, you know, lean on it 00:13:03.040 --> 00:13:10.560 to close it. That's Yeah. Like I think that if it's water cooled and then zip tied together, 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:16.079 no one's going to complain. I guess this is just where 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:18.480 we say goodbye and everyone hopes that 00:13:16.079 --> 00:13:23.279 we have another one soon. Yeah. So, thanks for watching, guys. If 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:26.560 you disliked this video, you can hit that button. But if you liked it, hit 00:13:24.959 --> 00:13:31.839 like, get subscribed, or maybe consider checking out where to buy the stuff we featured at the link in the video 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:35.120 description. Just kidding. Also, down there is our merch store, which has cool 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:39.279 shirts like this one, and our community forum, which you should totally join.