1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,560 wait that's my 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:15,400 carit whether it's calling my order number my court reservation or my 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:17,039 license plate number I can never 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:21,480 understand what they're saying over the PA system surely in a world where 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:26,480 headphones can be Wireless and we can cancel out background noise on a zoom 6 00:00:23,439 --> 00:00:28,240 call like magic it can't be that hard to 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:33,920 build a building speaker setup that's actually clear oh yes 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:37,440 can but we can do it right I mean of 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:40,000 course but first we have to seg to our 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:45,280 sponsor Ridge start your holiday shopping now and save big during ridge's 11 00:00:42,239 --> 00:00:46,719 Black Friday sale get up to 47% off by 12 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:51,239 going through our Link in the description today right now actually 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:57,800 when we first checked out this space the echo in here was absolutely 14 00:00:54,840 --> 00:01:01,519 mindblowing but as you can hear it's quite a lot better now we've talked 15 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:05,760 before about how we've sound treated our studio our lab and even our Workshop to 16 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:09,600 keep Reverb and other unpleasantness out of our recordings and we started with a 17 00:01:07,759 --> 00:01:14,479 pretty similar approach here at our badminton gymland gaming center which by 18 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:17,960 the way huge update we heard back from the city we're actually going to be able 19 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:22,119 to do wh land let's go starting with the ceilings we switched away from our usual 20 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:26,520 cellulose-based sprayon foam and went with a fiberglass sprayon acoustic 21 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:29,920 treatment it does still add a little bit of insulation which is always a good 22 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:33,360 thing but the most important fact factors were the fact that it goes on a 23 00:01:31,479 --> 00:01:38,479 little thinner it's a little easier to paint so we didn't end up with that ugly 24 00:01:35,759 --> 00:01:42,799 color from the lab again and maybe most importantly it is less susceptible to 25 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:47,320 damage and mold in the event that moisture seeps into it this stuff is 26 00:01:44,719 --> 00:01:52,000 great because its paracity and uneven surface act to absorb and Scatter any 27 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:55,159 incoming sound waves significantly reducing Reflections between the floor 28 00:01:54,399 --> 00:02:00,360 and the ceiling but unfortunately we couldn't 29 00:01:58,479 --> 00:02:06,560 spray that material all the Way Down the Walls and expect it to hold up to flying 30 00:02:03,439 --> 00:02:08,080 birdies bags and bodies or even just 31 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:14,040 people getting bored and picking the foam off the walls while they wait for their next match fortunately the 32 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:19,000 solution was right under our noses or rather our backs we already had our eye 33 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:22,599 on these gym mats to provide a sturdy but comfortable back rest for folks who 34 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:26,680 are sitting on our customized storage friendly benches and as it turns out 35 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:30,519 they do a pretty solid job of attenuating many of the problem 36 00:02:28,239 --> 00:02:35,239 frequencies that like to Bounce Around forever in a space like this so two 37 00:02:32,959 --> 00:02:39,519 birdies one stone and all of that the multi-layer sprung floor and foam and 38 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:43,640 vinyl topper that we installed also contribute to Echo reduction but not as 39 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:47,080 much as the other factors to demonstrate how effective this ended up being 40 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:50,959 instead of using my lab microphone we're going to switch over to the iPhone 16 41 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:54,720 plus that Jordan's holding over there back when we started you wouldn't have 42 00:02:52,560 --> 00:03:00,840 been able to make out a bloody word that I was saying from back here but now it's 43 00:02:57,519 --> 00:03:02,760 downright usable not great 44 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:06,640 but useable we're starting off in a much better place but before we can start 45 00:03:04,959 --> 00:03:10,080 blasting Amplified sound into our big concrete Cavern we need to make some 46 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:14,280 careful considerations to make sure that every visitor can hear about the limited 47 00:03:12,159 --> 00:03:19,640 time offer on left-handed badminton rackets oo while also keeping the system 48 00:03:16,959 --> 00:03:25,080 intuitive and customizable for staff now there's a lot of options out there but 49 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:27,159 for a variety of reasons a lot of them 50 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:32,280 won't work for us for starters there's the traditional PA these are affordable 51 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:36,879 super easy to set up I mean all you need is a hammer microphone a cable a mixer 52 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:42,640 and it doesn't need to be a fancy one like this and a powered speaker and boom 53 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:46,319 you're off to the races in fact it's pretty intelligible all the way from 54 00:03:44,319 --> 00:03:51,040 this end of the facility to the other the only problem is in order to make it 55 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:57,519 so that Jordan can hear what Dan's saying go ahead Dan hey Jordan how you 56 00:03:54,560 --> 00:04:03,200 doing you're basically blasting my ears off it's not balanced can you hear this 57 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:07,760 okay Jordan yes yes we can hear you I mean I think Jordan can barely hear this 58 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:12,560 yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah thank you Dan obviously we could relocate this entire 59 00:04:10,079 --> 00:04:16,759 setup pretty easily for better balance or we could wire up the entire facility 60 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:21,280 with audio cable and have it all come back to a central location but that's 61 00:04:19,359 --> 00:04:26,160 going to cost us inflexibility because the best place for let's say a 62 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:28,000 tournament draw desk or for a land knock 63 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:32,639 are not necessarily going to be the same places we needed more flexibility 64 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:37,000 another option was a constant voltage system they're commonly 70 volts in 65 00:04:34,639 --> 00:04:40,479 North America and 100 volts in Europe but the voltage isn't important what's 66 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:44,360 important is you have a bunch of in seiling speakers that'll look kind of 67 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:48,039 like this and they'll run background music the occasional announcement that 68 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:52,199 sort of thing this is typically what you'll find in doctor's offices 69 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:56,680 classrooms restaurants and the like these systems can cover long distances 70 00:04:54,360 --> 00:05:01,600 with very thin inexpensive wire thanks to their high voltage but are not known 71 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:06,479 to have great sound quality certainly not worthy of crab Rave and besides what 72 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:11,560 is this the Stone Age why wouldn't we use Ethernet with Ethernet we can have 73 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:16,039 high fidelity audio we don't have to run snakes and low voltage audio cables we 74 00:05:13,639 --> 00:05:19,960 can just use standard network cabling and that means we can put speakers all 75 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:24,840 over the place keeping each individual speaker relatively quiet improving 76 00:05:22,039 --> 00:05:29,720 Clarity also theoretically because it's Ethernet we can use switching to kind of 77 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:33,199 tap into it from anywhere and have modul CL ity and configurability so you can 78 00:05:31,919 --> 00:05:36,840 address one side of the building the other side of the building or the whole 79 00:05:34,919 --> 00:05:42,160 freaking building there's only one small problem everyone and their dog has their 80 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:48,400 own platform and protocols that are various degrees of proprietary that is 81 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:51,400 what we thought until Dan found Dante 82 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:53,240 which is built on previous AOE and aoip 83 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:57,240 Tech some of the key benefits of Dante are it's a uncompressed high quality 84 00:05:55,120 --> 00:06:00,759 audio it's easy to install and expand it scales really well it's got wide 85 00:05:58,759 --> 00:06:04,080 manufacturer support there's about 350 companies that are licensed right now 86 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:07,280 and typically it's only supported by higher end audio gear oh I knew there 87 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:12,560 was going to be a catch yeah you pay the Dante tax um but Dante controller lets 88 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:18,080 you configure the routing and you wanted modularity and ease of use yeah ease of 89 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:22,039 use was pretty big uh we want it to be something that any random staffer can 90 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:25,639 use or that something I don't want to be here when there's a little problem or to 91 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:31,720 change the levels or anything like that especially because it could be at a land at 3 in the morning exactly can we 92 00:06:28,919 --> 00:06:35,520 configure it for like one button presets I'll show you what I've done good Lord I 93 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:41,280 thought you said this was simple we ended up going with CIS mostly because 94 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:42,800 of the end of it is simple but setting 95 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:46,840 it up in the configuration is what makes it complicated I've always said you need 96 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:50,919 complexity to make things simple to get the one button and to get it easy for 97 00:06:48,599 --> 00:06:56,120 staff and to get it configurable we have to have this mess of nodes and uh flows 98 00:06:54,319 --> 00:07:00,479 and things like that especially as we've got loads of end points we have about 30 99 00:06:58,319 --> 00:07:04,960 speakers we have wireless microphones and maybe we do want to do a traditional 100 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:09,160 PA when we do Lands cool but theoretically it works it does it's in 101 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:16,400 production right now uh they've been using it for the afternoon badminton uh 102 00:07:12,479 --> 00:07:19,160 sessions okay oh wow so it's working 103 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:23,479 then yes both mics work at the same time maybe a little loud here wow that's cool 104 00:07:21,479 --> 00:07:27,319 and I've made it so that the volume of the mics is adjustable so it balances 105 00:07:25,879 --> 00:07:31,319 the level so it keeps everything consistent so Linus can scream and 106 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:35,960 nervous land participants who have just won something and get to talk to their 107 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:37,840 Idol um it's all a very consistent level 108 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:41,960 show me how we can cordin off a section and turn it off right here I've got 109 00:07:39,599 --> 00:07:46,879 these volume ramps and so by toggling off you know the courts or the bathrooms 110 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:51,440 or something like that it'll take a section of speakers and dim them down to 111 00:07:49,039 --> 00:07:54,720 nothing or bring them back up the other thing is I didn't want a traditional 112 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:58,680 mute button because say you're playing music in the background you unmute it 113 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:02,159 the whole courts get blasted so it's even got a ramp up time as well so when 114 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:06,759 you unmute it it comes up nice and softly and slowly and then ramps up to 115 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:11,159 where it needs to be it's great okay in the long term could we have like a 116 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:14,800 little I don't know a stream deck or something where you could like toggle on 117 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:19,000 different sections of the building exactly right now I have it set for the 118 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:23,479 courts to be toggleable and we could eventually do that for any Zone that we 119 00:08:20,759 --> 00:08:26,840 want gym the lounge upstairs everything like that eventually what we'll have is 120 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:31,039 a little iPad that they can carry around and pick what zones they want or if they 121 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:34,919 want to switch over to land mode that'll kind of be a button and that'll adjust a 122 00:08:32,839 --> 00:08:39,599 whole bunch of things but as it stands right now I just have a very basic 123 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:45,040 interface um oh yeah basic yeah no this is not like the user interface this is 124 00:08:42,399 --> 00:08:49,120 the user interface that I've made right now I didn't spend a lot of time on it 125 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:53,800 and as you can see it's only like three buttons so we can toggle if the court is 126 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:56,720 enabled and then we can also limit the volume of the background music when 127 00:08:55,279 --> 00:09:00,560 you're playing badminton and things like that it can be a nice background level 128 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:04,839 and then we have uh background music death which basically takes the entire 129 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:09,800 courts up to their maximum volume that I think is a uh pretty damn loud can we 130 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:13,040 hear it sure let's do it you want some crab Rave yeah let's do it while Dan's 131 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:18,480 getting them going now is as good a time as any to show you the speakers that we ended up using they're from sound tube 132 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:23,440 and they are power over Ethernet meaning that all we need to have is a PoE switch 133 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:27,680 and boom you can have an amplified speaker anywhere you can run an Ethernet 134 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:33,360 cable so on this side of the Court we've actually got I think it's nine of them 135 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:37,680 go ahead Dan realistically we'd love to add a little bit more acoustic dampening 136 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:41,839 to the ends of the building and there are still some things that Dan can tune 137 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:47,640 within the software to help compensate for the echoin of the 138 00:09:44,839 --> 00:09:54,040 space but you can see as I move around this actually pretty 139 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:57,640 usable Crank It Up Dan let's 140 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:04,760 go you can definitely tell when you're closer to one of the 141 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:07,040 speakers but there's so many that you're 142 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:13,440 pretty much always close to one another thing that I've implemented 143 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:15,000 as well is automatic ducking so I can 144 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,360 talk into the microphone and do my announcements and then when I 145 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:25,480 stop hey now that's pretty cool it's also 146 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:29,920 time bound as well so it's not down and up and down and up 147 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:37,120 freaking loud like what the heck to kind of 148 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:41,839 prevent it from getting super loud yeah uh you know I hook up my phone I set it 149 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:45,800 to 100% volume it doesn't destroy the whole speakers and everything like that 150 00:10:43,959 --> 00:10:50,240 I've got a leveling system for the phone input as well so if you're playing it 151 00:10:47,959 --> 00:10:53,079 super quiet out in the lobby it's all going to be a consistent volume oh wait 152 00:10:51,839 --> 00:10:56,920 we could just like connect our phone to it I have it Bluetooth to my laptop 153 00:10:54,880 --> 00:11:02,839 right now the adapter I have is Bluetooth these are sure bet 58 wireless 154 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:08,160 mics and the thing is that they're the receiver is stuffed under a door in the 155 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:11,360 kind of Court area right at the front they reach all the way to the back on 156 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:15,959 both courts and you don't have to think about it then when we come in to do 157 00:11:13,399 --> 00:11:22,240 Lands we can be on site we can do more weird things this is just the most basic 158 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:24,079 setup super easy to do thanks Q sis I 159 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:28,720 guess oh did did they hook us up with software is subcription no it's a 160 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:34,360 Perpetual licenses we did have to pay for a whole bun of licenses um like a 161 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:41,480 Dante Channel upgrade right now I think we have 16 transmit flows so I have 16 162 00:11:38,399 --> 00:11:43,399 zones including both bathrooms and each 163 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:46,839 side of the speakers are on different zones we got four along the left four 164 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:50,760 along the right four for the hanging speakers and then Court concession in 165 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:55,360 both bathrooms so is this the kind of installation that Dante is for well 166 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:59,600 typically you use Dante to bring audio back and forth between the stage the 167 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:03,040 mixer position and speakers but in this setup we're doing things a little bit 168 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:07,760 different uh there's no mixer at all right cuz we're using CIS exactly so CIS 169 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:11,200 is a network manageable audio video and control program right so we just don't 170 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:15,320 need a mix it exactly it does it all in the Box tell me this though does Dante 171 00:12:13,199 --> 00:12:18,399 have any special requirements from your network equipment like can I just plug 172 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:23,480 it into anything yeah not from the switching side it does have extremely 173 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:25,240 specific like transmit protocols that 174 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:29,199 need to be followed often requiring an entire separate Network to be run so 175 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:33,360 that it doesn't go over your normal local traffic is a latency issue or 176 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,800 latency issue and a traffic issue as well you need very specific packet 177 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:42,680 switching okay but our UniFi stuff does it it does now oh up until extremely 178 00:12:39,839 --> 00:12:47,519 recently UniFi was one of the only companies that you could not use Dante 179 00:12:44,839 --> 00:12:52,560 with oh um and yet and yet they have released some Alpha version right now 180 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:54,320 which supports CYS Dante Crestron all of 181 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:59,480 those sort of switching protocols and you can actually see on our RGB switches 182 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:03,880 here the ones in this greeny yellow are specific Dante vline that we have set up 183 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:07,880 RGB Network switches who knew it would actually be very practical it's actually 184 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:12,560 quite useful so this is a completely separate VLAN which basically carries 185 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:16,920 all of our audio traffic theoretically all we would need to do to plug one of 186 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:22,240 these guys in oh yeah okay is just slap it in here to any PoE port and then 187 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:28,040 it'll activate and if it's on the right VLAN then now you've got AIO two analog 188 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:29,720 inputs yep there you go wow so that's 189 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:34,399 actually a camera no well so it's not going to 190 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:37,120 work I am watching you stop it on the subject of these dongles I couldn't help 191 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:42,760 noticing we have a lot of them we're not using right now what is the plan for these these are all for the Lan 192 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:46,600 eventually for example this is one that we're using downstairs for the 193 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:50,440 microphone so this is a stereo XLR in this one here is a stereo XLR out so we 194 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:56,399 could have a traditional backline on a stage or something like that and then feed the entire system directly into 195 00:13:53,959 --> 00:14:00,440 some big speakers the nice thing about Dante in particular in these is I can 196 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:05,160 preon figure them in whatever Port I want and then all I do is I plug them 197 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:08,959 into the network and they self assemble that is so cool they're all addressed 198 00:14:07,199 --> 00:14:14,000 and they have controls on them too so so when Chase is just rolling out land 199 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:18,040 equipment he all he needs to know is this goes there and boom it's ready to 200 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:24,279 go exactly super sick this one here is USBC 201 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:28,600 oh so it's blue it goes it's two-way communication so this is a I believe a 202 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:32,120 dual stereo pair the one that we have downstairs is Bluetooth and there's a 203 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:37,279 whole bunch of different ins and outs because Dante is kind of just a standard 204 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:42,759 and then companies can put it in whatever they want it's pretty neat how 205 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:45,279 much did it cost so this entire setup 206 00:14:42,759 --> 00:14:51,680 with all of these adapters and about 30 speakers was about 20 grand I believe 207 00:14:47,639 --> 00:14:53,480 that is great guys you have no idea the 208 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:58,279 kinds of quotes that I got from like audio contractors and obviously we spent 209 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:02,240 more than $20,000 total when we consider the time that our 210 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:05,519 infrastructure team and Dan spent you know implementing this I think we're 211 00:15:03,959 --> 00:15:11,079 still out ahead though absolutely and all we had to do is run Ethernet cable 212 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:13,360 and the adaptability pays for itself 213 00:15:11,079 --> 00:15:17,839 yeah can be changed anytime we want it can be in any port in this building that 214 00:15:15,519 --> 00:15:22,680 is so cool you just need PoE like we could add a PA to the office up here all 215 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:26,839 we'd have to do is make sure that that Port is running to a PoE switch and then 216 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:31,920 boom and this one is so now we have a microphone in Jim's office it's as easy 217 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:36,279 as that that that's so cool I know I mean we may have to switch a VLAN around 218 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:42,279 but that's mostly for security right that's really cool like this cool 219 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