{"video_id":"pxaY6wm84P0","title":"The WAN Show - Tech & Gaming Talk Fridays at 16:30 Pacific Time","channel":"Linus Tech Tips","show":"Linus Tech Tips","published_at":"2015-05-07T14:53:29Z","duration_s":6227,"segments":[{"start_s":1.68,"end_s":8.639,"text":"all right guys welcome to the WAN Show we've got our special guest Ryan Shrout","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":6.319,"end_s":12.88,"text":"with us here this week and you may or may not have noticed that he has","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":10.24,"end_s":19.119,"text":"completely taken the place of that guy that I have evidently once and for all","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":15.679,"end_s":21.52,"text":"finally fired finally it's about time","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":19.119,"end_s":26.24,"text":"right i know right he's been with me for like 3 years now it's actually That's","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":23.76,"end_s":29.359,"text":"too long kind of incredible yeah yeah 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topics for you we are going to I'm assuming Ryan's going to be with me on this but maybe he's going to play devil's advocate for me over here but I am planning to lay into Ubisoft over the whole 30 FPS is more so yes that's that's the smile I was looking for 30 FPS so cinematic so we are definitely going to be tackling that we're also going to be chatting about NVIDIA's brand new 970M and 980M mobile graphics cards that are surprisingly interesting i mean usually the mobile graphics card comes out and it's kind of like this time around there's actually really something to say hp is splitting up into two companies and we've got another really good one here that I'm scrolling through this list as fast as I can to find cuz I can't remember what the bloody thing was right HTC launches two selfie optimized phones so we'll have some chat and we'll definitely do some Twitter interaction on that one find out what you guys think of selfie phones but in the meantime here's the intro if it ever rolls oh there's no audio again i can never remember which one has the audio i'll just singot you know it's actually it's hard to talk with um with my voice in my ear with a slight delay it's impossible to sing so you get yourself back in your ear right now when you when you do this yes I do hold on let me just uh thank our show sponsors our first sponsor today is linda.com visit linda.com/wanshow to actually get a pretty super sweet free trial of their excellent courses kind of a funny story we had a stream that we did um earlier this week where someone who actually founded a potential competitor to some of linda.com services called them out by name as an excellent service for learning things whether it's programming or digital photography or whatever else the case may be our second sponsor today and it helps if I don't lay them over top of each other like that is Phantom Glass their little tagline is the last screen protector you'll ever need and I totally disagree with that because you actually do need different screen protectors if you ever change your phone but it is the last screen protector you'll ever need for your current model of phone because it's made of Gorilla Glass 3 just like the screen of your phone probably is if you've got a good quality phone it's extremely difficult to scratch it's olophobic and it uses a fantastic like nano BS thing that they got going on there to somehow be completely bubble free very cool stuff so I think that's pretty much it for all that me doing nothing but talking constantly why don't we jump right into Assassin's Creed dev thinks the industry is dropping the 60fps standard this was posted on the forum by the crazed child and there's actually uh there's a couple good articles there's one from techraar.com there's one from GameSpot i'm just going to pop these up here so you guys can have a look while uh Ryan gives his thoughts is Is 30 FPS enough is it more cinematic Ryan no that's that's pretty much a a crap excuse for uh not being able to render at 60 frames per second obviously i mean if you really wanted to make it cinematic you just drop it all the way down to 24 frames per second right like if you're going to if you're going to claim that's the reason then go ahead and and do it all the way damn it Ryan take your take your logic and and go go back to the Midwest or M East or wherever it is you live that's pretty close it's pretty It's close enough i mean anybody who has actually used a machine that's locked at 30 and used a machine that's locked at 60 frames per second can easily tell the difference like it's that is not a debate really anymore and um to to have a developer of a major game kind of come out and say \"Oh we don't really think it's important.\" What what's the exact quote here you don't gain that much from 60 frames per second and it doesn't look like the real thing it's a it's a bit like The Hobbit movie that's that's crazy like that's painful i mean okay the the thing about the whole cinematic look argument is one there's motion blur okay and this is something that I think a lot of people either don't understand or do understand and hope that other people don't understand because if you wanted Okay so motion blur is a natural effect of the iris of a camera opening and closing iris or shutter or what whatever it is you want to call it and what happens with games is there is no iris there is no camera there is no natural motion blur now the thing is if you have enough GPU horsepower you can actually add fico motion blur after the fact to the game if you really want that cinematic look but dropping the frame rate isn't the answer because unless you have motion blur you're not getting any of that effect and even if you do have some at a lower frame rate you're getting like I said a cheapo after the-act effect not proper motion blur that makes it look properly smooth yeah and and you got to think like all these TVs and all these displays um are are being built for lower persistence you know uh which takes away some of that inherent blurring uh effect that would be native with some of these displays and monitors right or TVs whatever you happen to be playing it on so um it it just it doesn't make any sense to me like the the whole the whole the whole debate of why is it running at 900p or or 1600 by 900 on both consoles and then oh yeah it's also going to run at 30 frames per second because of it 60 isn't good for a shooter uh or whatever this bull crap they're talking about is it I mean it just doesn't make any sense like every everybody who's a PC gamer a PC gamer who's looked at this quote or reads this quote they all aim for above 60 and it's not because we're all crazy it's because there's actually valid reasons to want to run at higher frame rates so I don't know people and the thing is I like this game is coming out on the PC it's are they going to lock it at 30 frames per second on the PC i bet they don't for a better experience i bet they don't i bet if NVIDIA has their say because it's a it's a GameWorks title it will definitely not be locked at 30 frames per second can you can you imagine NVIDIA putting a Game Works and like way it's meant to be played in front of a 30 FPS logs title that would be that would that now that would be worth controversy and discussion right so you know it's it's limitations of the consoles that's why it's going at 30 frames per second so speaking of the Okay speaking of the controversy and how I mean you just sound exasperated just talking about this topic because we've been around and around and around again why is Lionus making me talk about this stupid damn non-debate that has nothing to do with reality at all and the answer is because Ubisoft keeps on digging why don't they just tell their devs to shut the hell up and let this thing kind of settle a little bit what are they doing there there are there are plenty of console games that are locked at 30 okay and there are reasons for it because they don't want to drop visual fidelity in order to get to 60 frames per second and on a TV and on a console where you're kind of you're you know you don't want to have VSYNC issues you either have to run at 30 or you have to run at 60 and anything in between that is a really big problem so there there are games that run at 30 and it's fine that they're not great experiences but they also don't come out and say \"Well 30 is really what we targeted.\" Because it's not nobody targets 30 right no it's absolutely absolutely ridiculous um people are telling me that the audio might be out of sync which is very very strange um oh no I've got other people saying it's just fine so I think it might be a uh yeah I think it might be a bit of an issue apparently there's a very slight delay on source so you guys might want to turn yourselves down to uh to something else if you're having a little bit of trouble so if it's just me let me know no I've got a lot of people do about it but got a lot of people saying it's fine uh so I'm not going to not going to can the stream now all right so I guess I I'll just see if there's anything else here that we didn't mention like yes I'm extremely disappointed that the the upcoming Assassin's Creed is going to run at 900p although 900p I find is less of an issue for me than 30 FPS because frankly I didn't notice that much of a difference with I think it was Battlefield 4 no no I think it was the last Assassin's Creed that launched at 900p on PS4 then got a patch almost immediately to 1080p um didn't really notice the difference compared to 720p but 30 FPS really is very noticeable and Ubisoft needs to just stop talking immediately about this um on on on that note uh the Halo 2 Anniversary Edition campaign also will not be running in 1080p uh it's going to run at 1328x 1080 60fps though Ryan given that the technological constraints here are that they appear to have to run both game or both sound and physics engines simultaneously um do you think this is an okay compromise killing some horizontal resolution for the sake of 60 FPS so they're they're taking away horizontal resolution um I'd like to see what that looks like visually I guess how how much of a of a of a theater effect are you getting on either side i mean I don't know probably i mean so this is the Halo 2 anniversary yeah I don't know i think maybe you give the consumer an option um so they're rendering both in the background so you can do what they did with the first one which where you have that one button push to swap between them right which was a really cool effect but if it's if it's accounting for that performance issue then I'd rather just say \"Hey don't bother rendering the other physics other graphics other audio in the background just let me actually run at 19 by10.\" Because I mean it's kind of embarrassing that the Xbox One won't be able to run Halo 2 at 1080p uh regardless of what the reason is you you would think they would be able to get that full resolution out of that so you you would think that wouldn't you silly Ryan Trout i mean here I am looking at things like graphics performance and gigaflops and and realizing that hey you've maybe you made the wrong decisions on these consoles as it turns out maybe you should have spent a little bit more money on hardware and you know I've got to wonder if they spent less money on hardware because they knew it was going to be a short life cycle or if we're going to end up with a short life cycle because they realized after the fact that they didn't spend enough money on hardware and then the truly baffling thing about it is that Microsoft and Sony at exactly the same time spent not enough money on hardware in pretty much exactly the same way yep i guess that's all there is to say isn't there yeah i mean it's it's it's they both did it and and you know you can't blame AMD AMD just built what they asked for right but they could have asked for more hardware both companies so yeah um I think I had something else to say about that but I guess that's uh I guess that's pretty much all there is to it i mean one thing that they said was that they were running at 720p and everything was fine 720ps 60 FPS uh they wanted to push it further so you know they they managed to get to 1328x 1080 but would you would you rather than running an upscaled resolution be given the option to run a native resolution even if it's a lower one uh yeah I think so i I I'm curious how you upscale 1328 by 1080 like I don't like I don't really understand how you could how you would able be able to do that um you know algorithmically I guess because you're you're simply just cutting off sides of the of this of the window right so if they are rendering at 1328 by 852 or something odd like that that was of the same aspect ratio then I might believe that they'd be able to upscale it well as it is now I just I feel like they're just going to have black bars on the side but surely you wouldn't do that that's not what they're doing they were really clear about that it will definitely be some kind of an upscaling huh whatever that ends up looking like hope they're not just zooming in or something either i don't know it might be worthwhile to do a um like actually it might be worthwhile to to to check out this game do some do some capture of it and and have a look at it i mean it'd be convenient if we actually got a PC version of the game so that we could really compare it against something meaningful but uh weren't there rumors that that was going to happen wasn't there rumors i don't think there's anything confirmed yet but Twitch chat is pretty great about uh correcting me about these things if I ever get anything I get anything wrong the chat rooms are great for that aren't they yeah they really are um speaking of the chat they've been giving me a really hard time about launching right into the show and not explaining who the hell you are and not explaining where the hell Luke is so I'll do both of those things guys luke has taken his first decent vacation pretty much since he started working with me so he and I went over to Germany i was actually there and back in just over 4 days worth of hours um but Luke and Brandon both uh decided to stick around so we toured the Cherry Tour you know the guys that make mechanical keyboard switches and we toured the Sennheiser did I say toured the Cherry Tour factory and we toured the Sennheiser factory as well we actually did Oh man we got a really great opportunity to uh to film the assembly process station by station of the HD800 headphones and Brandon got some amazing footage of it we are going to bring that to you guys everything from just stamping out diaphragms all the way to putting it onto artificial ears and then like an artificial head going on a track into a into a noise isolated chamber where it t Yeah no it's freaking amazing where they take they test every single unit and then record the the um the response curve really really cool we're going to bring all that content to you guys but I jetted back here and Luke is sticking around in Germany for a week and a half and Brandon's with him for a week as well so I am on my own for a couple weeks worth of WAN shows so I that leads us to this poor substitute for Luke this is Ryan Trout from PC Perspective maybe you want to introduce yourself here because I'm clearly not doing a great job the poor sub uh the poor substitute is uh owner operator at PC perspective pcpurro.com and basically I review PC hardware for a living and I have for the last god 15 years oh god competitor get rid of him yeah click hang up hang up hang up uh so we the website has been around forever we used to cover just AMD hardware for until like 2004ish or something yeah we were AMDMBB.com uh focused on like AMD processors and motherboards uh and then I didn't even know that that's before my time i always knew you as PC PC Perspective yeah 2004 we launched as PC Perspective basically I graduated college and I said \"All right if I'm going to actually make this a job let's let's try to make this a job.\" So I've been doing that since then and uh we've got a good team of people that that do good work and uh I'm practically family with Lionus now i mean we have we've hula hooped together and uh uh also done the limbo together so it's it's like a bonding thing that we did so um that's what I do i we test hardware graphics cards processors SSDs all that random crap so yeah i mean I guess the the thing the way that I would I I made that joke about us being competitors before we're not really i mean Ryan has a podcast i have a podcast uh Ryan makes videos i make videos okay hold on a second here no okay the main difference is that Ryan's going to get more nuts and bolts into if you actually want to know how the SM within an NVIDIA GPU work and how that impacts the way that it's going to perform in this game versus that game or with this setting dialed up versus that setting up ryan gets really nitty-gritty into the details with those kinds of technologies whereas I see ourselves as more of a a general overview style of of of content so it's just different strokes for different folks and the one thing that we definitely know is that stroking is good so let's go yeah you pretend you don't know what I'm talking about over there i got a monkey so speaking of getting into nuts and bolts this was originally posted on the Linus Tech Tips forum by WTO 165 thanks WTO you get a shout out guys make sure you're posting all the latest awesome news in the Linus Tech Tips forum after of course searching to make sure no one's already posted it uh cuz you will get shoutouts on the show and uh there are articles all over the place about this of course PC perspective have you got you you guys have covered them i'm sorry I haven't I've been traveling i haven't looked at your site for which this this MSI graphics do you have one i I think I I think I have the one that they're talking about here is this Oh no uh sorry i jumped to the next topic 980m and 970M oh yeah yeah yeah i actually have one of those in here too okay see awesome which one's that oh you got the Oh that's the MSI GT72 i don't have one of those i've got an Aoris X7 Pro and then I've got the G751 from ASUS yep so um the X7 Pro is one impressive piece of machinery dual 970M and SLI nice nice this I mean this is kind of the more traditional single GPU variant of it uh it's actually it's a big machine it's a 17.3 in machine but it's it's not very heavy like you can tell it's not overly bogged down by heat sinks yeah that's the one MSI is using the um the magnesium alloy shell on right okay yeah I think I think it is yeah we just got it in a couple days ago so um but it's it's been pretty impressive performance-wise so let's talk about it so GTX 980M and 970M NVIDIA is touting them they had this wonderful graph at the editor's day and NVIDIA is touting them as the closest mobile variants to their equivalent desktop variants ever and would you say from your testing that that is a valid statement from NVIDIA uh I think it is i I I think that graphic they showed is maybe uh a little bit skewed just because Is it ever not well exactly but it's a little bit closer together on that graph than it actually turns out to be i mean don't get me wrong the 980M is still an awesome part uh especially considering you know its power efficiency and that's what makes it great in laptops but it's I mean there's still definitely a gap like the the GTX 970 desktop is faster than the GTX 980M mobile right so of course that means that there's going to be a 15 20 25% gap between the 980M and the 980 itself so I mean it's still it's still really good but it's not it's you know their naming scheme still throws it off some that and I think part of the issue for NVIDIA is that whenever they compare anything they're going to be using a reference 970M which is a part that doesn't exist so the only 970 that I was or sorry 970M uh a reference 970 this is so confusing the only 970s that I'm aware of are aftermarket ones most of which are overclocked and the way that GPU Boost 2.0 works is even if you were to underclock your card to a reference clock speed that card might still overclock itself to something that a reference card wouldn't have achieved so it makes comparing 970M which could also be a non-reference design because to my knowledge board partners or notebook partners are able to kind of play around with with settings there so comparing one thing that's non-reference to another thing that's non-reference compared to NVIDIA's graph which is reference to reference I mean who even knows what's going on yeah it's it's interesting because if you if you looked through all that information on the mobile parts they never give you a TDP uh for the GPUs and the reason is it's not that they don't have a number uh it is that each notebook like the GT72 or the ASUS machine that you have like they're allowed to tweak those clock speeds individually to make sure they are within the thermal envelope of whatever uh you know heat sink and fan combination they're using in the laptop so there there's really not a reference clock speed for the mobile parts like there is on the desktop parts um because it is kind of a casebyase basis so yeah I think you'll see different clocks throughout the notebooks i mean that was the other thing I noticed was that they only specify a base clock they actually don't have a boost clock in the spec it just says base clock is this plus quote unquote boost mhm and that's all we really know about it yeah you got to open up something like GPUZ or something that will give you what it is what the uh the firmware of the GPU is actually set at for its typical boost but again you've been doing this long enough the typical boost does not really tell you what the boost clock is going to be at anyway right it just gives you some minimum that it won't go below unless of special cases right it's all very complicated yeah unless of special cases in which case it will go below yeah and then we don't know really anything of what's going on unfortunately and then we have that thing called the base clock so that's actually what we mean so um but I I have to say so we we ran some we ran a bunch of benchmarks the article is not up yet on the website but the GT72 with that 980M um is at the wall i think we're we're pulling like 200 to 210 watts with the AC plugged in uh and that's that's not a lot of power considering using a quad core hyperthreaded part you got a 980M running at probably 1.1 gigahertz at its typical type of clock speed that it's running at and it's got a 1080p screen and there's basically no game that maybe except for Crisis 3 at its top settings that can really make it you know work overboard to to render at 1080p so it's it's actually pretty impressive and the fans don't get super loud and uh it's it's a pretty good mobile gaming experience I think so far now speaking of the mobile gaming experiences uh experience is this a bit of a strange trend to you i've noticed that for all of the sudden we were seeing 3K and 4K notebook displays and we were getting 860M or in some cases 870M in the in the case of stuff like the ASX 3 or the Razer Blade and then all of a sudden we get these super powerful GPUs in the 970M and the 980M that could really drive a 3K display properly and it seems like everyone all at the same time met in a back room somewhere and decided to bail and go back to 1080p what the heck happened i I think the reality is is neither the 980M or the 970M could really push a 3K display okay not in Crisis 3 but Shadow of Mordor high details maybe not max maybe maybe you'd be able to and I think that's what you know from from NVIDIA's point of view they want to be able to say max out everything on this laptop right and so 1080p is the right resolution for that and again you're talking about a 17inch screen that is a little bit further away from you maybe uh and so 1080p just kind of makes sense now you could hook it up to an external display which we did um you could this has DisplayPort connections on it we hooked up uh that ASUS swift G-Sync monitor and it works Right so if you want to use an external display for higher resolutions you can um but I just I don't know i I didn't see the benefit of those ultra high resolution notebooks really because in Windows it's not very useful because you you've got to turn up the scaling to a certain amount so that you pick so that your icons and your text is actually readable and then in games um you know there's when your native resolution is 25 by 14 or or 32 by 16 or whatever it was whatever that one works to and you downscale it to 1080p it's not going to look as sharp as if it were running on a native 1080p screen so I'm sure we'll see those and something like a machine that has 2980s in it would be kind of the perfect candidate for that yeah a two and a half two and a halfK display with two 980ms is probably an excellent sweet spot i mean I guess the thing that it just baffles me that we get these underpowered notebooks with these high resolution displays and then we get these overpowered notebooks with probably the right display even though really that's not NVIDIA's messaging about it at all i mean their slide deck is that 900 series M is suitable for 1440p but I I think that the actual designs coming out reflect the true reality of what's going on and I mean you've played around with dynamic super resolution correct mhm so do you think that dynamic super resolution is a good balance then if you're going to have a 1080p display and you just take more samples yep on on a notebook yep we ran uh the the Dark Souls 2 demonstration portion or whatever on that on this MSI laptop using DSR and it looks great skyrim with DSR looks great um so if there are games where you have that capability to run at higher resolution you can still do that and take advantage of it on the 1080p display it's kind of it is kind of a really nice almost perfect setup for that right so if you've got more horsepower down sample render at 4K down sample if you don't then you've got a native 1080p display for it uh and and it works out pretty well so I guess that's pretty much all there is to say about them they're they're power efficient they support all the same features as the as the desktop ones i think the only really disappointing thing about it for me is that I feel like a lot of the talk about um oh you know the desktop and mobile are getting much closer is is spin because I really feel like the desktop could have been further ahead if NVIDIA hadn't started back with the GTX 680 um started kind of releasing their mid-tier chip as a flagship and then their true flagship as the next generation flagship chip and now extended this pattern where we're not getting full-on Maxwell but it's being sold to us as a top tier chip so NVIDIA is effectively getting two gens out of each architecture in terms of the numbering scheme when we used to get a full new series of cards with a full new architecture or at the very least a die shrink each time they said that they were releasing something new to us yeah i mean and it that that's that's that's definitely the case but it's it's I don't think they have a choice yeah it's a result of the manufacturing process issues that are there right it's it's well we're stuck on 28 nmter what can we do and also keep in mind that that Maxwell is aimed at power efficiency right like that design was really aimed at getting the most performance per watt and when you can do that um by definition right because of the way physics works you know your GPU on your notebook and on your desktop are going to compress they're going to get a little bit further right because that sweet spot for performance for the 980 is 165 watts where for the 980M it's like 120 watts or whatever it actually is so right um whereas on the you know the GTX 680 it was 200 210 watts versus 110 watts so um it's it it's getting closer but I think it's not nearly as close as they would like you to believe based on their fancy marketing graphs i mean I did find some games where it was only a 10 15% delta but these were situations like Tomb Raider where I really wasn't that limited by the uh by the GPU itself i was more limited by the CPU because they were both running the game incredibly well even at ultra details whereas in games like Crisis 3 I was seeing as much as a 40% delta between the 970 and the 970M yeah there there's going to be those and and and I think you know if you look at just the specs the the the the 980M has fewer shaders than the 970 desktop part does yep right and the memory clock runs significantly lower 5 GHz instead of 7 GHz uh so there there's fundamentally there is going to be a difference there so I think the the closest analog to the 980M is probably the 970 desktop and it's kind of between the 680 well we'll say the 770 and the 970 is kind of where performance sits there all right so let's talk about the new Unreal Engine bringing eerily realistic skin to your games does eerily realistic skin even sound like something we want no not me personally ethnod posts this on the forum thanks for that and uh the original article is either from ngadget or unrealengine.com if you prefer to get it straight from the horse's mouth and um basically Ryan do you want to explain what subsurface scattering is exactly and how that makes things like skin or candles or especially any objects that are slightly translucent look more realistic in games so I mean subsurface scattering is not I I I don't think it's a graphics rendering specific term but the idea is pretty simple where you have a semi-t translansucent layer in this case your skin right and the light will penetrate one or more layers of the skin and then bounce out in a different way right so you may have some portion of that light going hitting your skin and bouncing back you may have some portion of the light going a couple of layers deep and bouncing out and the result is a different um kind of shade or look or style to how skin actually looks and it's something that you know we're used to seeing every day when you when when we're sitting here recording a video and you just look at yourself on the camera and you see a little bit of sheen on that part of your forehead there that you you know that that is something that is very hard to render accurately and do it in a fast you know real time method so uh Unreal Engine what is it the 4.5 update 4.5 yeah yeah i mean these guys they just do everything awesome right like the the tech they build is impressive as hell um so a subsurface scattering basically i'm trying to think the first time I remember hearing that uh like some of the uh what was the the NVIDIA elf pixie character's name u Oh shoot it wasn't Dawn was it yeah I think it was Dawn yeah I think you're right and that was like they were like showing off subsurface scattering for the very first time but now you think about it how long has it been since we saw that demo and now we're finally getting it into an engine that can operate that technology in a real-time manner it's been six or seven years hasn't it yeah there's I mean there are several iterations of Dawn so I can't tell you exactly which one Yeah had that demo to begin with but yeah i mean the funny thing about it is it puts us sort of tech you know podcasters or journalists or whoever else puts us in a really weird position because NVIDIA and AMD for that matter are both always trumpeting about this stuff whether it's uh VXGi or whether it's um you know physics simulations interfacing with each other in real time or whatever the newest coolest thing they're showing us is where we kind of sit there and we go well [ __ ] guys it's going to be eight years before you can actually do any of this in real time in a game engine because you look at something like that lunar okay here before I talk about the lunar lander guys in the corner here on the left you've got no subsurface scattering so his face looks kind of too harsh in the middle you've got a little bit of subsurface scattering so the reflections off of his face and the the tone of his skin looks a lot more natural and then on the very far right you've got an exaggerated effect where they've cranked it up too much kind of like oversaturating your TV and it just his face looks like it's made of melted wax so I just wanted to show you that to you guys so a great example of this would be NVIDIA's Lunar Lander demo where they've got their VXGI realtime global illumination running and on two GTX 980s with a static scene that is not moving and with what what is it two models of people where we're and we don't even have anything that's complicated to render they're in suits they're They're not even They don't even have skin or anything and then we've got a ship that's mostly hard edges and that thing's still chugged just moving the camera around a little bit i mean how far are we away from a having any hardware that can run this reasonably well and b a game dev actually implementing this technology it makes it tough to talk about this stuff when it's actually like futuristic tech not really that meaningful for the GTX 980 no game will ever run on the GTX 980 that uses that technology it's it's been that way really since I have ever covered graphics cards right from the very first time we saw TNL lighting and and and then you know programmable shaders and geometry shaders and all this stuff they always had these amazing demos you never really knew what the implementation timeline was and right you know part of that comes back to people that have this distaste for something like GameWorks NVIDIA's goal with that is to get that tech into games as quickly as possible now it means they sacrifice compatibility and kind of broad industry support for prop for proprietary stuff but you know like they say that VxGI is in the current iteration of the Unreal Engine but when will you actually see it in a game is still up in the air and then to what degree right there's a whole lot of resolution options for VxGI and I mean the thing about that is to what degree is really going to depend on the adoption of cards that support it and if we've got two cards each of which cost more than $300 then we're a long way away from from any game dev actually investing the time and resources that it would take i mean I mean you look at game devs not even not even porting their existing games to DirectX12 or not even taking games that are currently in development and bothering to move them to DirectX12 or Mantle or whatever the case may be where you're going to have an enormous market a built-in user base for these technologies and then you take something like VXGI where it's limited to one or two cards i mean come on i mean having it in a game engine like UE4 will help with that and it needs to be one of those things that you can enable disable it doesn't affect uh your game play per se but more about visual style um I don't know it I we want to see that kind of stuff in there and so I I applaud any company whether it be a hardware vendor or software vendor that is willing to stick their neck out and do more work uh to push the technology forward right if we only stuck with things that worked on GPUs today we would never actually develop the tech that would allow us to do even newer better cooler things on GPUs next year right so somebody's got to start at hardware or software um it used to be at software that pushed it right and now it's kind of the hardware developers saying \"Hey guys try this hey guys try this.\" Speaking of hardware developers this topic isn't actually in the document but AMD reached out to me i've got a pager email from uh from Robert over there in my inbox saying that they watched the October 4th WAN Show yay people watch my show um and wanted to address some points I made about Freync uh okay you acknowledge at 2551 that G-Sync monitors are extremely expensive we are hoping that Freync will help with this you say there is misinformation concerning Freync but AMD does offer a comprehensive FAQ so uh they had just asked me to go ahead and show you guys the AMD FAQ that exists about Project Freync so it's support.AMD.com-uskb-article/pages/freync-faq.aspx really easy to remember guys just go ahead key that into your browser right now um but the main thing that I wanted to clarify is that I wasn't saying that the misinformation that's there right now is coming from AMD AMD has their FAQ and that's fine and that's great what I was saying is that there's a lot of misinformation out there and I think that it's a lot of people repeating things that they heard earlier on in the Freync development process back when we really didn't know what the heck was going on and AMD wasn't communicating as clearly as they are right now so Ryan you're pretty familiar with Freync correct uh as familiar as I can be yeah yeah well given that we don't have products in our hands yet right but I mean can you can you explain what the heck it is exactly and how it relates to G-Sync so um the the initial So the way I understand it now Freync is a is a name I don't know if it'll be the final name a brand associated with the implementation with AMD's specific implementation of the Visa DisplayPort 1.2A to a adaptive sync technology so adaptive sync was adopted by uh the the visa foundation into DisplayPort 1.2A revision 2 or whatever they call it um as an optional part of the specification and all it does is it gives the uh hardware and software vendors the ability to understand that there is a potential for the ability to withhold a um a vblank signal right so you basically can control a monitor's refresh cycle through a system through an external system like a PC now that doesn't give you the that sync or that the adaptive sync standard doesn't give you any information about uh how you handle special cases how you actually implement it how it works with your driver how it works with Windows and all that other stuff so right the free sync technology as they're calling it is kind of AMD's implementation of adaptosync into a product so that's one of the biggest misconceptions out there you guys freync is not built into DisplayPort it's not just a matter of any DisplayPort 1.2A display and any AMD GPU that supports Freync you plug them together and magic's going to happen in much the same way that NVIDIA's G-Sync relies on the hardware being implemented on the monitor in a specific way we will have that same process going on with Freync it will have to actually be a Freync certified display now AMD is saying that they're not planning to charge a licensing fee for it though correct well correct because the the DisplayPort so the only technology required by the display uh scaler vendor is adaptive sync right so that is already part of the standard so AMD you know doesn't really control so a monitor will come out that will support adaptive sync it doesn't necessarily support freync it will be on freync the AMD technology to support adaptive sync monitors right so but as it turns out because uh uh Tom was on our show and talked very openly about the fact that NVIDIA is not going to support adaptive sync monitors you will essentially have freync versus G-Sync as opposed to what many had hoped which is you would have G-Sync and then this other standard that both vendors would support um which and would eventually just be ubiquitous right which is not going to be the case anymore so it's disappointing i know and I expressed that to him several times uh but you know Freync has the capability it has the opportunity to be everything that we love about G-Sync and cheaper it has that opportunity um the it will it will what they need to do is prove it right NVIDIA's claim has always been that hey it's not easy to do if it were super easy to do everybody would have done it by now and AMD's stance is that we can do it it's pretty easy and we can make it you know we're not going to charge kind of the licensing fee and we're not going to charge the markup that you see on all the G-Sync monitors out there which is a amicable goal like I'm totally for that give us variable refresh displays cheaper than we get them today yeah I'm I'm all for it i just I have to wonder if they're going to pull it off because they they they do they did say that they uh they linked me to uh to anchor at Computex um so so that's cool but Scott had uh we had Scott Wson on last week um so Scott had expressed some some I guess some respect for how complicated G-Sync was and he had said that that Tom had told him that they actually it was a good thing that they used a programmable chip for the G-Sync module because otherwise they would have been doing a hardware refresh that's why it took so long from when they showed it to us back in October last year to when we actually got monitors because it wasn't working they had to they had to actually redesign the functionality of the chip and reprogram it yeah yeah i mean it the Yes this the same thing is what I've been told as well that it that it's incredibly complicated i mean don't I mean clearly you and I were both at that event in Montreal NVIDIA was incredibly excited about the the tech they would not have waited until August to release a display if there was any re any way they could have not waited till August to release a display right yeah and I mean NVIDIA is usually pretty tidy as far as announce seed samples get it out the door yeah like they're they're textbook execution you know them and guys like Apple they they just they do it they nail it um and for NVIDIA to announce something and show it and promise it was going to be available on a date you're usually pretty sure that they're pretty damn sure it's coming and they were way late on it yeah and I I think it's I think I don't know this for a fact but I think one of the reasons why NVIDIA will not support adaptive sync displays is because to support an adaptive sync display your driver basically has to do all of the work in Windows that the combination of driver and controller that NVIDIA has on G-Sync will do now and if they do that basically they will have to put all of the knowledge that they have learned over the last couple of years building G-Sync into their software which will then make it easily discoverable by AMD right and so that they would get a jump start in that way but um you know like like I said I want Freync to be here already uh you know we've we've had we've had Richard Huddy and and those guys on our show and they've they've promised prototypes at certain times and don't really have them yet i was promised one by in September uh and we It's as far as I know it's the middle of October now uh well let's be fair it's the 10th of October which is the 3rd of October it's It's the first 3rd of October we We'll go with that uh yeah october has 31 days so until we're actually No if we're a third of the way through today then No no it is the second third of October but not half let's just agree that it's not half okay we got to be If we're going to we're going to make these these these claims out here we want to make sure we're accurate so you know I I want it to be there and I I think what will I think what will inevitably happen is we'll we'll have to wait until CES i think scaler vendors it's not a super quick process you know when we first heard about Freync they were talking about oh you'd be able to upgrade some displays and that's clearly not going to happen right as it turns out flashing a firmware is not going to make a monitor a good experience you can make it variable refresh all you want but it will be a good experience right uh and and when light is involved in hitting your eyes any any degradation in that will be noticeable easily so which worries me a lot i mean here's something how cuz Okay it's it's well it's not that easy okay so let's go back to the old days when it was pretty easy to figure out which graphics card delivered the best gaming experience you know you fired up a game you recorded your average FPS and you made a bar graph and that was the whole story y then all of a sudden we're dealing with runt frames frames that are displayed for such a short period of time on your screen that you you actually don't even perceive them we're dealing with things like stutters that don't actually show up in an average or even necessarily a minimum frame rate but that are visually very obvious we actually illustrated this in our four-way SLI scaling video very recently where we intentionally froze the frame of our video very periodically lowering our overall Oh you saw that oh okay yeah so we were So for the viewers then we were trying to make a point that just because you lower your frame rate 1% or two or 3% doesn't mean that it's only 3% less visually smooth you can see a stutter very clearly so that's why and this was the first time we ever had you as a guest on the show that's why FCAT or actually capturing the output of the graphics card analyzing every frame to look at what the viewer was actually seeing became very important but for something like G-Sync versus Freync how the hell are we going to qualify or excuse me quantify the smoothness of the experience so uh it will involve uh basic it's basically the same process we use now for capture but with cameras right and actually we we have a we we kind of have the ability right now to capture variable variable refresh video um through DisplayPort it's it's it's like working through some of these ASIC manufacturers and it's not working very well and it's the post-processing side of it is actually much more difficult post-processing with a static 60 hertz video is really easy you know what to account for and what to look for when it varies all the time you you really don't know what you're looking for to even measure against it right so right uh it's going to take a little bit of I think software on the the tested PC side to output some here's what I tried to send result right and then a post-processing algorithm that says well here's what I actually saw and then we get into the issue of are in is NVIDIA going to play well with that is AMD going to play well with that are they going to fix that system in some way it's going to be really complicated and I think at least initially it's going to be a lot of well I have these two monitors sitting next to me and they're identical systems you know one's got a 290X and one's got a 980 and I'm playing the same game and maybe I have a mouse going into a an HID distributor so that you can play the same game with one mouse and try to like see the comparisons there's going to be a lot of that crap where it's very objective and because it's objective everybody's wrong right if I say better yeah yeah sorry because it's subjective everybody's going to be wrong because everybody will have a different opinion so basically the hardware review industry of which you've been a part for 15 years is going full circle from like yeah dude I got this graphics card it gets like great FPS and my games run super smooth to getting it really down to a science to where we could really figure out which one was better and then we're going all the way back to yeah dude I got these two graphics cards I'm going to play with them both side by side I'll let you know which one's better yeah I I think it will be like that initially and that sucks but uh that's terrible we'll fix it we'll we'll figure it out like it it will be an industry problem that will be solved because there's too much money and too much pride in both of these companies to kind of just let it let it sit there and be determined by our uh uh subjective eyeballs I guess by staring at it really hard yeah and no nothing good happens once you've stared at a monitor for three hours straight trying to figure out which one is better nothing good will happen so uh it needs to be something yeah i had someone tweet at me the other day about how easy my job is and uh I was kind of I was sitting there last night at 4 in the morning uh benchmarking these new mobile graphics cards just kind of going \"Dude you have no idea.\" My wife to this day still believes that I sit at the office and play video games all day and I'm like \"Ah who am benchmarking them hun?\" when when you play the same 60 to 90 second portion of uh Skyrim for the I think 40,000th time uh it's not really fun anymore you know some benchmarks are okay i don't mind our Tomb Raider run cuz it's got some it's got some cinematic bits where you kind of you kind of watch some stuff at the beginning then it's got like a slow-mo thing where you like pop two guys then you go into a burning building you jump across a chasm you like uh silent kill some guy you jump up and then you kill more two more guys like it's actually a pretty engaging benchmark but our Shadow of Mordor benchmark when I was running that last night Tomb Raider the 2 minutes flies by shadow of Mordor the only way we got it um consistent enough cuz we'll do we'll do five or 10 runs once we've locked it down and we'll be looking for about 2 to 5 FPS difference on the same hardware in order to decide okay this runs okay for our error tolerance so Shadow of Mordor the way we got that done because it's got dynamic weather it's got dynamic you know roving locations yeah yep bad dudes and all this stuff it was really hard so we ended up finding an instance that always has the same weather and then always has the same baddies that will mostly come and attack you all at the same time in pretty much the same way and they'll circle you so the way the benchmark works in order to make it equally visually demanding is we attract all the baddies and then block for two minutes with some nice scenery in the background so we keep we keep our character stationary and our camera as stationary as possible and block for two minutes and that's how we got the consistency i swear I sometimes I would miss a block because I was half asleep half asleep at the wheel there yeah that's I could see how that would be pretty bad yeah you know at three in the morning it's like oh I have to block this orc again crap just get like a What remember when they had the the the controllers with the turbo buttons where you just hold it down maybe you could do that no because I have to reposition him i actually have to be paying close attention to the block so I keep him in the same location so I'm rendering basically the same scene yeah all right that's pretty bad yeah and the funny the stupid thing about Shadow of Mordor is and I'm sure you're with me on this how much do you wish that video game makers would build in benchmarks into their games shadow of Mordor does have a benchmark in it it does but here's a problem shadow of Mordor is capped at 100 FPS and the benchmark runs at whatever frame rate it wants so you could get a max FPS value of 280 frames per second because I think it's actually recording when the screen is black and the game will never run that way so you're not getting a meaningful result yep yep you're right i I didn't see that issue because we we were using the capture stuff so we didn't capture the the black screen stuff so yeah okay i see what you're saying yep good point that and from what I've seen the Shadow of Mordor benchmark is really not that representative of in-game performance anyway because you don't get that close to any of the models and you don't really have a ton of them on screen at a time so when we do our blocking combat thing we actually get 10 to 20% lower than that fly through which has fires and all the things that should be demanding and then when you have adverse weather conditions you actually drop another 20% off the performance so that in-game benchmark which is always great weather and never gets too close to anything is about 30 to 40% out of the performance that people could actually expect to get in the game i think it does rain in the benchmark but it's not the most demanding instance of rain in the game when the weather's really heavy it it tanks it yep so that was really frustrating for me because I kind of went well shoot this isn't that usable actually yep yeah i think what would be better is Well I mean in that in your instance there it's all dynamic so being able to record and replay USB input wouldn't really help you in that instance no no it wouldn't unfortunately tough life we have sorry yeah I know playing video games for a living or so everyone thinks that's what they think it's all right so here's an interesting little piece of news now we all know the iPhone 6 which by the way I have finally received one of for those of you who were expecting me to do a review here's my uh here's my iPhone 6 that I have obviously totally set up see got completely all the stock icons and nothing else on it so I'm not I'm not started yet um finally got my iPhone 6 i live dangerously got it in my back pocket i'm I'm like a I'm like a a badass over here um so we originally thought there was a viral video that Marcus Brownley released where he was showing off the sapphire glass that was supposedly going to be on the new iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus we originally thought we were going to get a sapphire glass complete display cover turns out we didn't get that at all and GT Advanced Technologies Apple's Sapphire Glass supplier has just filed for bankruptcy um so this was posted by Querty Warrior on the forum the original article was from Next Powerup and basically last year they entered into a big deal uh over $500 million with Apple to supply Sapphire Glass they're meant to start actually supplying it in 2015 and they are now down to 85 million in cash and looking for additional financing to continue their operations so Ryan how much of a blow is this to the adoption of Sapphire Glass because we all know that Apple really leads the charge on materials technology in a way that no one else seems to be willing to do the the the issue with Apple is they like to own the materials that they use or at least kind of be the almost exclusive buyer from those companies right so you know I'm interested so like the the the phone doesn't use sapphire but the watch uses sapphire yes right so is this indication that they don't expect the the watch to sell as much as maybe they had originally or you know are you believe that they were going to build the display out of Sapphire and change their mind kind of at the last minute i guess on the on the phones I do wonder yeah I mean it that seems likely right you have a company who has this multi-million deal multi-million deal dollar deal with multiple years through Apple and it kind of like all falls through um you know clearly they were doing some experimenting and it didn't turn out but yeah and I mean someone the size of Corning I think even an Apple PO probably doesn't scare them that much so if Apple turns around and goes \"Okay yeah we need one bazillion orders of Gorilla Glass 3.\" I think Corning can probably turn that around for them okay um so it that really is what it looks like um those samples that were floating around may have very well been samples that no deal ever got done on and how how disappointing is it then to see that sapphire glass is still probably not going to be the standard for a while i you know I I I go through a lot of phones i don't really scratch them very often and I don't them usually i kind of I do sometimes but uh I never I was never really sure that it made sense based on the cost difference to have a sapphire screen on a phone for my watch it makes total sense because I slam that into every wall and door frame and yeah and everything right like it gets beat up i have a Samsung Gear Live and I don't think it has a sapphire screen and I think you can tell that that is the case right so my Pebble Steel is still doing okay is does that one have a Gorilla Glass screen at least i don't know actually i'm not It's actually I will admit looking at it now in these lights that there aren't really any major scratches which is maybe impressive maybe it does have something in there good but I mean even if it has like Gorilla Glass 3 that's still a pretty good product for scratch resistance so um it just you know it makes more sense it's hard to manufacture sapphire is uh it's easier to much much easier to manufacture in a small form factor like this than it is in a 5.5 in you know iPhone 6 Plus type form factor so right I think we'll get there eventually right like they'll somebody will have some manufacturing um breakthrough and cost will go down and it's just like anything else that you produce or manufacture there somebody will eventually figure it out if there is a need for it um I guess it just wasn't GT Advanced Technologies this time it was not or maybe it was them and they have the best solution possible and Apple was like no we don't want to cut into our uh you know our our markup our margins that much so we're going to wait for our next generation so maybe the 6S will have sapphire or maybe not you know so who knows with Apple yeah that's true speaking of the Gear Live how do you how do you find the smartwatch experience without a multi-day battery because I've I've stuck by the Pebble Steel especially at that new $200 price point And with that new third party app that's giving you continuous I think it does continuous fitness monitoring not possibly to the same extent that some other stuff can do with heart rate and all that but I freaking love this thing and I love that even as a very heavy user I can go four days without charging it are you okay with one day um I I would like to not be but I think I am you know I guess my general rule is I'm going to charge my phone anyway so plugging in the watch right next to it doesn't really make it that big of a deal um there have been several instances where I've like taken off my watch on my dresser instead of my nightstand where my chargers are and forgot about it and woke up the next morning and had a dead watch and got well that's stupid uh and wished that it had had longer battery life but I wish that for my phones every day as well right so but does does better wireless charging address all of this in the next six to 18 months anyway depends on what what it is like so wireless charging would help right because the main problem with with the Galaxy Gear Live at least is that it doesn't have a standard USB port for charging yeah it has that stupid cradle right it's got the cradle and it has the cradle because of the water resistant necessary like you know you don't want to ruin your watch when you wash your hands yeah so uh you know not h only having that one charger means I don't have one at the office I don't have one in my car and I don't have one at the house all at the same time um scrub yeah exactly yeah i don't know if you can buy them extra but I'm sure you can uh but I forgot the question now is is a day of battery life okay it's okay like it sucks but I would like my phone to go longer as well but we all made this sacrifice when I had a Blackberry i could go awesome i could go three days yeah on a phone right my old Nokia brick yeah i could I decided to sacrifice um features and functionality for battery life and now as as people in this office would be able to attend to uh I I am desperately looking to go the other direction without sacrificing features like I have a GS4 now the battery is getting old uh it's it's starting to to lower its battery life i would love to have a phone with the same level of performance and feature set that has like two days of battery life don't give me a phone that has new stuff i don't necessarily want the new stuff right i want a phone that's going to last me and if I get drunk and pass out at a friend's house I don't wake up with a dead phone all the time not that I do that all the time just you know just in case question for you and you know what we we've got to do a we've got to do a straw poll on this let me just uh let me just get a get a straw poll going here do you think that anyone will have the balls to do a 2-day or a 3-day battery phone and sacrifice the thinness and sexiness that we've come to expect i was I was really hoping Apple would do it because Apple's been such a pioneer when it comes to battery life i was really hoping that the 6 series would maintain the same thickness as the older phones compromise on weight a little bit add a little bit of weight and put a similar size battery to what a flagship Android phone is doing so maybe where the 6 Plus would have had a a 3,200 milliamp battery like something like an Xperia Z2 does where Apple with the way that they sip battery especially when idle or with tasks running in the background compared to Android would have legitimately been able to deliver a a multi-day at least a two-day battery do you think anyone's going to have the balls or are we going to have to wait for Project Aura and for people to just build it themselves out of modular components i I I I want to believe that somebody would have the guts to do that because it's not really that I mean as many Android phones as there are out there as many options as HTC makes or uh Samsung makes like take the Galaxy S5 and call it you know the Galaxy S5 business edition or something like that right and you make it a half inch instead of whatever else right you maybe make it a quarter inch thicker and you give it like a 4500 milliamp hour battery or something like that right uh I would buy that phone because I have normalized pockets i'm not you know I don't have an issue with uh uh the size of phones and I don't carry a purse or anything but I'm okay i would much rather sacrifice that um you look at the the super thin iPhone 6 and 6 Plus and they're beautiful looking designs they really are beautiful but if add two millimeters to it three millimeters to it four millimeters to it how much do you extend that battery life i'd love to see some kind of math on that and I'm sure you could do it without too much work right how if you add 4 mil of battery to that device what does that equate to in milliamp hours and then what does that equate to in actual real world usage um and the thing is how many people have MPHI right people buy MPHI all the time and it makes your phone a brick they do it for battery life purposes exactly and I mean the thing is that you know these these companies a lot of the time I feel like guys like Samsung in particular they just kind of throw things at the wall and and hope that they stick and they don't really even seem to know what they're doing a lot of the time where they just release a dozen galaxies and then one of them will have sensient life in it you know what I mean and it seems like we're giving it to them this time we're handing them the solution consumers are demanding this and with the way that charging technology has improved over the last few generations where you can charge high-capacity batteries much more quickly are we are they just not doing it because it adds so much to the bomb cost of the phone like is that the issue we're seeing here um probably some of that is right batteries aren't necessarily cheap um and it's uh you know depending on how many you're going to make it it's an upfront expense right and if it's a huge flop you have to eat that cost um I was one of the people that when I had a Palm Prix way back in the day like I bought You're so young and hip i know i bought like the the giant uh I forget who made that battery the off-brand CDIO sure never heard of it off brandand battery ext it was like a a big battery and it had a different back on it that was way fatter than everything else and I thought \"This is dumb looking but man I can go two and a half days uh without having to recharge the phone.\" So this types of things still exist i'm trying to think was the last phone I did that on uh the Nexus uh 5 no no Nexus 4 Google Nexus one of those i bought like a an extra-large battery that had to have a different back case to it um that made it look dumb because it was very obviously not what it shipped with uh but it was a much more usable device because of it you know at least okay I'm going to I'm going to end this topic on on with an anecdote here at least it's not as bad as the really old days did you ever have a pocket PC uh I did yes okay did you ever have one of the pocket PCs that actually didn't have persistent storage i don't think I did have one of those i had an HP pack that actually the the onboard storage not the RAM I'm talking storage the onboard storage did not retain data if the device fully discharged and so it actually it actually had two um it actually had two battery meters on it there was like the usable battery meter and then there was the reserve auxiliary battery meter so once you ran out of battery it would the device would power off just like it was off but then it had a reserve there that would last for about 5 days I think or something like that and if you you lost all of that you had to plug it in and charge it and it was factory reset wow i did have an iPad i don't know if I ever had one that did that but I would have I don't remember that ever happening so I don't know that's weird yeah it was it was super super stupid um speaking of super super stupid I'm going to do our sponsor segments here so what's not stupid is linda.com you can actually make yourself smarter actually you okay I I shouldn't say that making yourself smarter is a little bit is a little bit 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topic but they were talking about how screen protectors or really anything but Gorilla Glass or similar high-grade glass coatings really feels awful when you're using it and uh so I pulled up my phone and I went \"Well I bet you don't know that I actually have a screen protector on here that's uh that's made of Gorilla Glass.\" So the way that it works and we did a review video of it that ended up being the springboard for the sponsorship relationship because I loved the product so much that we decided to reach out to them and go \"Well hey should we work together?\" Because I'm totally willing to endorse this stuff it's freaking awesome it's got a nano coating on the backside that's actually removable and can be reapplied if for whatever reason you wanted to do that but it never comes up on its own it's actually quite hard to take off the only reason I took it off once was cuz when I was putting it on in the first place I put it on in the wrong spot and I was like \"Oh crap there's no way I'm going to be able to take it off put it back on it's actually going to work.\" It did and then the front of it has the same olophobic scratchresistant properties as Gorilla Glass 3 because that's exactly what it's made of the only thing you give up is that there is going to be a slight ridge around the edges of the screen but it's thin enough at least that you can use it with most cases in fact I think they advertise all cases but I I hate to say that cuz I'm sure someone somewhere will find a case that it doesn't work with but it'll work with most aftermarket cases without any gaps or any sort of any sort of weirdness so guys check it out store.fantom.glass they're actually uh they're going to be sponsoring us at CES this year and uh we're going to be doing either I'm not quite sure which it'll be yet but we're either going to do a dedicated video where Luke and I run around just going into booths and rubbing our phones on crap and getting people's reactions uh or we're going to do uh we're just going to do that randomly during interviews with people and just kind of cut that together into a funny montage because it's that protective not only is it very scratch resistant but you can actually replace it and your screen underneath will be perfect of course still just like any other screen protector except that it doesn't look like ass and feel like ass because you know if it looks like ass and feels like ass it's probably ass that whole that duck saying looks like a duck and quacks like a duck anyway the point is I think we should move on to our next topic here thanks to our sponsors linda.com and Phantom Glass and will you will you promise to wear a costume when you do that video i probably should what what would be like a like like a like a ghost costume like phantom glass sure maybe Pac-Man ghost you know there you go maybe maybe something more comical i don't think people mostly cosplay at CES but we could start that trend you could try you could try yeah would you do it if we did it would you cosplay CES all your meetings and all your show floor visits probably wouldn't i pro probably would not all my meetings i don't know maybe once or twice but maybe not all of them i go to all the parties with you dressed up like that how's that speaking of Glass Fnod posted this on the forum the original article is from Digital Trends i'm just going to go ahead and screen share here google Glass can now add closed captions to real life absolutely fascinating technology i mean I think we all saw stuff like this coming it's just augmented reality that's all it really is but the fact that we're getting there with this frankly very rudimentary hardware that we have now is extremely exciting so the idea is that you would be able to um maybe not necessarily transcribe an entire conversation perfectly for someone who is let's say completely completely deaf has no hearing in either ears but if you've got someone who's hard of hearing and misses a word here and there or even in some cases people who speak different languages you would be able to communicate with each other that's really the killer feature for this right is going out of the country i I go to China i don't speak Mandarin uh you know I can have a conversation with somebody if we are both wearing these devices um it requires it's going to require more processing than we have today and it's you know needs to be perfected to a certain degree but and roaming needs to go away because uh you're not going to be using a feature like this without your internet connection that's true that's true um well it's got a long way to go yet but it does um I would also they had something when I I had Glass initially and and used it for a little while and it had the ability to translate um signs right there was an app that could do that right where the idea was road signs or street signs you know that gave mileage or or directions or street names or something like that in a different language would be translated for you and it worked okay but it was something like where you need you needed to be very still and you had to point the camera at a very specific way and uh uh this this seems to be like to be a more useful implementation of that idea right because I mean Google if anybody has uh voiceto text transcription down it should be Google right all the Google voicemails they do all the close captioning they do on YouTube videos uh and all the corrections that they do for that stuff they should be pretty good at that you would think that i actually had a pretty stupid experience with uh with uh Google Now earlier today i think I asked for directions somewhere and it Googled directions to wherever like it still does that for me about 40% of the time i hate Google Now really infuriating it's It's way better than what Siri does we have this debate in our office all the time no no no no yeah it is i'm sure the audience doesn't want me to to do the whole Siri versus Google Now thing again but I Why don't we just say this i disagree with you and we'll have this debate next time you're on the show okay okay all right fair enough all right i'll I'll bring my best Google Now phone and we'll have a a a speech off we'll have a speech off that what I would actually be interested in that we'll see if we can stump each other's phones yeah that'd be good that might be kind of fun all right speaking of things that are fun uh customer information compromised in an AT&T insider breach this was originally posted by Dietrich W on the forum and the original article here is from CNET i'm just going to pop this up on the screen at&t warns 1,600 customers of data breach so basically this wasn't a systemic problem necessarily it wasn't that uh AT&T was intentionally collecting this information and sharing it with you know crappy folks or whatever the case may be this was a case where a rogue employee went and stole this information and I think this underlines um one of the real issues with data collection the issue is not necessarily the terms of service because this is clearly against AT&T's privacy policy the issue is that if you're collecting the information someone somewhere may have access to it and they're the problem that's not a policy issue that's just a people are people and bad people are bad people um so I don't I don't really know what to say the employees been fired and everyone affected has been contacted but uh I mean what do what do you think Ryan do should we should we go tinfoil hat here are we afraid of people having our information or should we should we trust companies i mean this is really the oldest form of this that you'll ever find right go back i mean bankers have had access to your money for a hundred years right and and and and this this is not going to go away if anything the computerization of these processes will take people out of the process out of the out of the pipeline of these things occurring and so you have less instances of this that doesn't make you more safe of course as we've seen data breaches in other ways um this is more of a hey you had a really crappy employee uh but that could happen at a hospital that could happen at a bank that could happen at a a restaurant where the waitress has a skimmer in her pocket right like right yep th those are all personnel issues and there's always going to be uh people in this world that are trying to do those types of things right so so would you prefer a digital system versus a human intervention system in this case then man I don't know i got to say the the the scope of the theft here is so small compared to what happens when something goes wrong with a digital system true they only got 1,600 right 1,600 people had their information compromised and it sucks to be you like it sucks for those people but we're not talking 100,000 or 160,000 people with information compromised like what will happen uh who was it crap was it Target that had a major problem with their POS system thousands and thousands of customers information was compromised what was it credit card numbers yeah I think so yeah can't remember the exact details but I recently it was Home Depot and Jimmy John's like my my my bank called me a couple weeks ago and said \"Hey we're sending you a new checking account card.\" And I was like \"Why?\" He said \"Well we looked and you've shopped at Jimmy John's and Home Depot in the last 60 days so you're getting a new card.\" I was like \"That sucks but hey thanks for being proactive about it I guess uh it's it's interesting like there's uh there was a service that I saw a Kickstarter for recently i can't remember the name of it where it automatically generated a unique credit card number for each merchant that you shopped at for example and then if that merchant ever had a security issue that number would be automatically canled right and nobody else had access to it so you didn't have to go through and change your card information and change who pays your bills or or change all those other companies just because one merchant screwed up uh it was a interesting idea i don't know exactly how it worked necessarily uh but that that really interesting yeah i I'm trying to remember what it was called uh I'm sure somebody in the chat will will know eventually level I want to say level uh uh level credit card i don't remember what it was um but it was a it was a Kickstarter that basically had this service right so anywhere you shopped online or even if you called somebody on the phone you could generate a unique number for that merchant through their app and and give it to them that way obviously if you have to swipe your card I don't think that would work right but um it seemed like a good idea be cool i mean I think we're going to have an issue with there only being so many credit card numbers available and we might have kind of an IPv4 versus IPv6 type of issue here we're going to have to start adding like um you know alpha characters to credit card numbers i mean this is going to happen eventually anyway but I mean I would that's a really interesting approach it would have to be done by more than just one app maker like it would have to be the banking system actually implementing this at a much higher level where each individual has you know a thousand or tens or even hundreds of thousands of potential credit card numbers applied to them and that would be a much faster way to uh to narrow down data theft and uh and particularly financial data theft i think it would be much less likely to happen in the US than Canada though just because our central banking system allows us to do pretty much everything faster than you guys you know whether it's uh chip based cards or even uh or even pins versus signatures and all that kind of stuff yeah we don't have chip and pin here yet they always say it's coming soon but yeah sure whatever i I encountered one and this is actually kind of a funny story uh if you don't mind if I just kind of sure amble for a bit here i was down at PAX and I was on my way back and I realized I didn't have enough gas to get home so I wanted to get something while I was in the city i went to the gas station and I I went to pay at the pump and it prompted me for my zip code of course I don't have a zip code i'm not American so I was like \"Oh crap write this this song and dance again.\" So I have to go back I have to go into the station and I go to pay the guy he asks \"How much do you want?\" I say \"Oh I don't know man phillip.\" And so I he he hands me the card thing and I go to swipe it and he says \"Oh no no don't.\" Right we're having a conversation before this and he asks where I'm from i tell him I'm from Canada right so he hands me the thing i go to swipe it and he says \"I know you're not Canadian.\" And I kind of went \"What?\" He says \"No I I know you're not Canadian.\" I'm like \"No I'm I'm Canadian.\" And like here here we've got someone I'm trying to use a credit card with telling me they don't believe my identity so I I I feel like I have a bit of a problem here right now and so he says \"Do you know how I know?\" I'm like \"Sure humor me.\" He goes \"Because you didn't try to put the chip reader in.\" And I go \"Well okay Sherlock i'm in America where they generally don't have chip readers.\" And so I went to swipe it it's really You're not that much of a detective so he but he looked at my ID really closely wow i was just like \"Okay whatever man we'll we'll get those one day sure you guys will catch up to you guys will catch up to Canada someday good luck with that story of our life.\" Speaking of catching up with Canada this segue makes no sense bridgestone releases airfree tires you never have to inflate this was posted by 13ca 350 on the forum and the original article here is from CNET this is actually not the first time we've seen any kind of you know airless tire attempted but this is the first time that uh Bridgestone is really saying that hey these might actually be not that bad this is their second gen tire and if you guys have a look at the at the images here on CNET it actually looks pretty cool every part of it is recyclable and um shock absorption is handled by the by the shape hm of the spokes here and uh yeah I wonder do they I'm sure they do talk about it because they mentioned shock absorption but like I have run flat tires on one of my car and they are noticeably less uh let's say good in terms of ride quality right uh especially when there's no air in them because I've had a flat tire and a run flat before and it's it's very stiff after that so I I imagine I mean the design looks pretty cool so they're I'm sure they're taking that into consideration yeah they have a replaceable tread on them which is another really cool thing i mean this is this looks like as much a sustainability improvement as it is a a car maintenance and potentially safety improvement i mean I think it'll be a long way before we see any kind of a commercial product like something that you would put on a semi-truck like this but for consumer vehicles other than the fact that it's so ugly I would never consider putting it anywhere near even my car um it's pretty exciting technology uh you know you could I'm sure they could make it look better they could hide the the weird stuff on the side with uh with with you know some kind of design return of hubcaps let's do that return of hubcaps yeah yeah we if we hit it enough that could probably work and then the return of hubcap theft uh yeah okay that too yep or when they fly off on the highway and smash into somebody else's windshield there's that too so yeah or that maybe we could have like like a really nice plastic hub cap that just looks metal like maybe we'll really get the hang of fake metal we'll finally figure that out yeah just paint it it's fine so speaking of things that we're finally figuring out um we still haven't finally figured out that people want more battery life in their phones but HTC and this was posted on the forum by OP Monkey Matthew 78 HTC has finally figured out that some people use their selfie cameras more than they actually use their other cameras anyway so why don't we just produce a camera that has a front-facing camera that's just as good as the back one the HTC1 M8i has two 13 megapixel cameras one on the back on the front it takes 1080p video it even has a two-tone flash on the front so you can really take pretty much almost the same quality photos with the front camera as you can with the back one brian do you take a lot of selfies uh no I do not however this makes a lot of sense like I think what's funny is I think this makes way more sense than the phones that had the tiny screen on the back of it you remember those there was Which one was it uh that had a a small screen on the back so you could see what you were taking a picture of i remember maybe it wasn't a phone maybe it was a a snapshot camera no I um I I had one i had a um ah shoot what was it called i don't know but the the fact that we even went through that process was like I know we'll put a screen on the back and when in reality what we should have done is put a better camera on the front i guess determines which one was more expensive this is the Samsung Jive i had one of these and it was a flip so here's the uh here's the camera here i know this is really small image and it had a small screen on the front for previewing messages and seeing the time and I believe I could also use that front screen to line up photos yeah I think there was I think there was like a uh a nonphone um snapshot camera that had that as well maybe by Canon or Nikon or somebody that had like a little screen on the front right next to the lens so you could see what you were pointing it at when you did that um but yeah I this makes way more sense so you've got a really nice screen already on the phone and just take that camera and add another one I guess and I don't know is this an exceptionally expensive phone by any measure i don't know i don't I don't think so i don't think it really affected the cost too much at all i'm setting up a straw poll here though guys i want to hear from you how many selfies do you take per week if you're willing to admit it remember these straw polls are anonymous yeah or as anonymous as anything is I guess somewhat anonymous um so anyway let's just uh see if there's anything here I have to Okay so it's gone quietly on sale in China for the equivalent of $652 and will apparently only be a China and India release at least for the foreseeable future why do they get cooler stuff than us dual SIM better selfie cameras okay at least dual SIM is cooler but why do they get better stuff than us uh our cell phone carriers are a pain in the ass oh yeah yeah I guess there's that right so it kind of it's kind of wild west out there is my understanding so all right so it features autofocus um the Oh there's another camera too there's the Desire Eye so that one is also a selfie optimized uh optimized phone so they're they're both uh they're both coming out now we got to have a look at the straw pull this was the one straw pull that I knew I had to do in this video wow i bet I can predict the results so the number of you that um maybe this is why we're not getting these cameras because 83% of you say none you in response to I think our audience on this show is uh very different than the audience for any of these uh phones uh however I know there are a lot of 12year-old girls out there that do this all the time because I have a niece that does it and every time she sees me she's like \"Oh let's get a picture.\" and she holds it up and she puts it on Instagram and I go I don't know what's going on anymore kill me now i'm I'm I'm 32 years old what are you doing to me that type of thing uh I don't feel like I should feel this old yet yeah yes exactly that uh but I I I bet there's a pretty big market for it i don't know you can sell anything why not and yet we get the selfie phone but not the high high battery capacity phone like are you freaking kidding me so sad speaking of things that are sad Steam releases Canadian pricing some game prices increased others remain the same and some games currently unavailable for purchase in Canada no I don't know what the issue is with Steam pricing just being in US dollars i mean maybe you know what great opportunity to do a Twitter blitz guys hit me at Linus Tech and let me know if you can think of some reason why it's not perfectly okay if ultimately they're just going to be converting the pricing and then displaying it in your own native currency anyway why it matters at all that they don't just have US pricing because at least if it's a straight conversion it's ultimately up to my credit card uh my credit card company how much I'm paying in terms of fees which is usually not more than a couple percent um over whatever the the nominal exchange rate is that you would get at the bank why why do I need them to display it in my currency i mean they were already displaying a conversion um well okay no no I don't think they did actually but whatever xe.com is not exactly a difficult site to remember what so before this you just purchased it in US dollars right yeah and then my my credit card statement would say you know 5721 Canadian $54.99 US in brackets now you said that there were some games that were no longer available after this yeah uh I don't understand why that would be the case but they're probably going to get it fixed but my guess would be that they rolled it out and it would have to do with something like agreeing with the uh with the the game developer on what the price is going to be in the new currency for example because a lot of stuff is not actually you're you're American you might not know this a lot of stuff is not done just on a straight conversion for example books are notorious for this because they'll have a cover price right and you probably don't even have the Canadian cover price it shows It shows both on our books okay you guys get both as well so you'll see $4.99 US $7.99 Canadian sometimes mhm significant price differences I suspect i just thought it was the tax for living further north i don't know i just No no it's just it's based on some companies actually lock their exchange rate as rarely as over multiple years i remember back in 200 shoot I think it was 2008 2009 when the when the currency was all over the place um and I forget who it was but there was one Canadian company that only redid their um their exchange rates I think once every two years or five years or something like that and they basically sat there losing money for I think 6 to 10 months before they finally wised up and went \"Oh this isn't going to change so we should probably do something about our pricing.\" Um so so yeah NBA 2K15 went up 16.6% 6% from $59.99 to $69.99 um which isn't that reasonable overall the transition looks more smooth than when they added euros in 2008 um where many games retained the same numerical price but just in euros when you I'm curious on Steam when you download uh in Canadian packets over Steam does it download just as fast as you would expect like does it saturate your bandwidth there does it okay yep i mean we're so close i mean we're we're like I can spit to Valve i'm closer to Valve than you like in terms of server locations there's no there's no penalty for the border and the north to south connections are excellent okay yeah like I can play I can play on Washingtonbased servers uh in in a game with very very low ping we always joke about Jeremy on our podcast uh lives in Vancouver and we always joke that whenever he has Skype issues it's because of Border Patrol blocking packets across blocking packets the scary thing is that normally I would kind of laugh at you and I'd go \"Haha Ryan that's a funny joke.\" Except I with all the stuff that's been going on with the NSA in the last year I wouldn't even be that surprised to find out that someone is actually manually sorting packets at the border well no this one's fine this one's fine this one's fine nope not that Linus guy this one's fine yeah now not not this guy who's teaagging the other player let's just go ahead and turn these packets off right now yeah jackass Canadian all right so I've got one more topic that um like to discuss a little bit uh this was actually posted by FNOD on the forum uh the original source was a little site you may or may not have heard of before called pcp.com or something like that i don't know some some American guy runs it or something like that um ARM and TSMC apparently headed for 10 nanometer d what does this mean what's what's going to happen man you know it doesn't mean jack uh what the problem is so telling Richard Heidi on you yeah well TSMC is a manufacturing facility that makes chips for just about everybody AMD on the graphics side and on the processor side somewhat um a and also NVIDIA and also Apple and others and everybody right um their problem their main competitor is actually Intel right Intel fab stuff primarily for themselves they have a couple of odd jobs every once in a while so the the issue is is we're at 22 nanometer today on Intel's front and we're still kind of stuck on 28 kind of 20 nanometer uh on TSMC the Apple on Intel's rolled out 14 sort Right broadwell is is 14 right and it's just I guess it did kind of just actually start shipping in notebooks uh this month so it did you're right um but in and the 20 nanometer from TSMC is kind of a it's an odd conversation because it's very limited production and it didn't have the benefits that a lot of people expected to see for high performance parts that's why the Apple A8 is being manufactured on it but no NVIDIA or AMD GPUs are being manufactured on it even though you would think those would be the perfect ripe example for what should need a a uh a dieice size decrease in process lower power consumption faster switching speeds that sounds right up the GPU's alley right so uh what what needs to happen now is TSMC and those other groups are going into finfet production which is trigate 3D transistors which is what Intel introduced in 22nter um and there are still they're still prepping like their 16 nanometer finfet parts uh TSMC and Global Foundaries and those guys are um and that will be kind of the first iteration of it and so I think what happened was uh this was at uh on a digit time story kind of came out around the ARM TechCon convention that was happening out in Santa Clara that they were hey look we're on track for our 10 nanometer um taping out possibly in the fourth quarter of 2015 and so what a tape out means is that you have you have manufactured a chip to a specification that you approve of and so they can begin the full manufacturing process uh and sometimes you'll tape out two or three revisions before you actually start the manufacturing process so right you know that they're talking about end of 2015 for 10 nanometer which means realistically mid to late 2016 before you actually see parts using that um but I think we should be more concerned about how quickly they get to 16 nmter and what that actually does will we you know some people predicted that you know Maxwell NVIDIA's new chip is built on 28 nanometer um we all thought well six months ago that it would be built on 20 nanometer and it wasn't the case uh whether it be capacity issues whether it be technology issues some for some reason it wasn't built on 20 we I think at this point we all kind of assume that they're just going to wait they're going to to leaprog 20 and go down to 16 whenever that becomes available um AMD the rumor is now that their next chip will actually be using 20 nanmter and so we'll be able to see a comparison of what a chip can do one way or the other uh and we may actually start to see AMD and NVIDIA on opposing nodes of uh production right yeah that'll be really interesting i mean that hasn't happened for an extended period of time in a long time so with AMD at a lower at at a smaller manufacturing process than NVIDIA for potentially months right yeah it it's it would be very interesting i I Josh who is on our show at pcpur.com he is a manufacturing guy he knows all about this stuff way more than I do and his kind of theory is that the 20 nmter probably doesn't offer a very big power consumption or clock frequency advantage over 28 nanometer it's probably very small uh and so the complication of moving your product from 28 down to 20 may not be worthwhile in the long run right so that would be and NVIDIA was saying that the that the cost benefit didn't look like it made a ton of sense for them as well yeah uh because you know when when they're talking about a cost benefit they're not just really talking about the dollar benefit but the dollar they have to spend per wafer what your yield is on that wafer determines what each GPU's value is and then how much time you have to spend which is you know engineering money to convert it down to 20 nmter and fix it whereas with 28 they were very comfortable with it they already knew it uh and they were able to build I think a pretty compelling part based on it so yeah I'm I'm surprised at how strong GTX 980 is I wasn't I wasn't necessarily expecting them to be able to do that much with it without a die shrink um so as much as it's as it's not what I really wanted which was uh GM200 girl can dream right uh it's it's not a bad to wait for 210 just have to wait for 210 just wait for GM210 it'll be fine fair enough i'm sure it'll be here soon yeah I'm sure i don't know all right well I think that's um that's pretty much it what time is it your time right now it is 9:18 my time well I'm sure uh I'm sure your wife is going to be super thrilled with me and I'll get you know more glares the next time I run into her at an event no she was super nice she likes you now now that she knows you she's totally fine with it i said \"Hey I'm going to go be on Linus' show on Friday is that cool?\" She said \"Oh yeah that's fine.\" Um you know and you did make your show earlier it used to be much later um didn't you used to do it 700 p.m pacific instead of 700 p.m eastern yeah I did that was way more complicated cuz then I was getting sleepy by the end of it right i'm I'm an old man i get tired all right well guys thanks so much for watching thanks to our sponsors linda.com and Phantom Glass and thanks to our special guest Mr ryan Shrout from PC Purr for those of you who are just tuning in later on in the show here Ryan do you want to give them one more sort of where to find you i absolutely do i absolutely do so pcpur.com is our website with all of our reviews camera self-promoter i'm gonna I'm gonna plug my YouTube channel as well because we're on there look you have so many more subscribers than me it's not even a competition if you want to watch videos about PC hardware our channel is youtube.com/pcpur i mean we don't do as cool of videos as Lionus does he doesn't walk around on his roof with a 100 foot uh USB cable i did I No I don't I didn't do that i did run a 500 foot Ethernet cable once okay that worked successfully that's almost as cool uh and it got run over by a lawn mower so there was that and then it didn't work that's unfortunate go figure so th just those places if you I mean if you want to find me on Twitter it's just Ryan Ryan Shrout as well so uh anytime you want to have me back on this is fun it's cool i like talking with different group i did see a couple people in the Twitter chat asking me to tell you all about the wonders of IRC oh oh okay yeah the because you guys use IRC for your chat right yeah we do i think it's part of our partner agreement with Twitch that we don't use alternate chats fair enough fair enough so there's one reason why we might do things the way that we do things something that I think viewers a lot of time don't realize is that there's probably a hundred reasons behind the scenes why we do something the way that we do it versus what's immediately obvious and and apparent but uh yeah that's that's that's the reason we don't do it and you know what twitch chat isn't that bad i think that I enjoy watching it i enjoy participating in it so I I'm in there i My name's popping up every once in a while here and there we go so yeah i see a lot of people tweeting about how they hate you and they never want to see you as a guest again so I understand i know i get it all the time i see why you're I see why you're trying to invite yourself back to try and like counter what they're saying no we'll definitely have you back again Ryan thank you very much and uh good night everyone we'll see you again same bat time same bat channel next week um I actually don't remember who our guest is for next week but I think we might be having Paul and Kyle formerly of New Egg TV back so uh stay tuned for that and good night everybody sorry it takes a while to switch scenes because uh Oh oh and I've got this thing over here d ah why is this the one with I got to just delete the one with no audio at some point that That would make a lot more sense cuz I keep accidentally putting it here and then I never check it because I'm usually like throwing myself into my chair here to get the show started today I arrived back at the office at 2:30 and I shot an unboxing as well as a full line of tech tips and then some B-roll for another one before starting the show so like it's just You did good you did fine we did We didn't We didn't need a uh a Skype pretest we got this stuff down yeah that's right skype what could go wrong nothing goes wrong with Skype and turn"}