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so it's time for another crazy cooling experiment with Linus and alex this time

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our victim is going to be the dell alienware area 51m so this is notable

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for having a desktop 900 k 8 core processor in it that runs

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at 100 degrees at all times so we are

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going to be trying to tame the beast but there's going to be a couple of key

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differences today difference number one they kicked us out of the boardroom so

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we're in the kitchen and difference number two we have

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hello steven burke from gamers nexus

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so let's see what we can do with this thing with glass wire you can instantly see

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your current and past network activity detect malware and block badly behaving

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apps on your pc or Android device use offer code Linus and get 25 off

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glasswire at the link below

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this is a lot of gear why is there a calculator he never goes anywhere

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without his ti-84 are you serious yeah it's just nice if you want to give a

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phone yeah but okay so we're not gonna know

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what or how we can mount an alternative

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cooling solution to this thing until we've opened it up and figured out

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exactly what kind of mounting holes dell's using we require mounting holes

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that are quite close to the socket and we don't know if we're gonna find that inside yeah we're not going to

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i'm trying to put some suspense in the video alex i know that

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so is this CPU and GPU are they exposed on this side yeah they are okay does

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your plan to leave the motherboard mounted in the laptop

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yep the other option is you sit it precariously on its side

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and we just look at the screen like this while the cooler is hooked up like that

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yeah that could work

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do you know the story of my chiller i bought this for the sole purpose of

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hooking it up to my daily driver e6600 and you can tell that it's very did it

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ever hurt anybody 17 year old me engineered it has not hurt anyone yet

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but the possibility of being hurt is definitely real so i would ask that

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while it's plugged in you refrain from touching

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this i think it's terrifying

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is this a ground terminal any of the bare leads here uh yeah yeah that's just

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hanging there okay you don't need ground we don't see ourselves as being grounded

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type people okay neither of us wants to use our liability

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insurance yeah what i think is going to have to happen

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is we're going to take these

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really really cheap blocks okay and machine a new piece of acrylic that'll

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fit the mounting holes does this this doesn't have any micro fins does it no

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it's just a flat oh no it's like four dollars on aliexpress

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what do you want man maybe six dollars on aliexpress i don't

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know i fix it's gonna hate this i couldn't find a marlin so this is their old

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precision screwdriver i'm assuming there's no ihs on the CPU

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right yeah is it really yeah so it's literally a desktop

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okay i know right is it socketed yeah yeah oh interesting i didn't know that

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so it's it's two 10 millimeter heat pipes on the CPU and then GPU is here

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yep what is the GPU full blown 2080. you said the CPU was

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100 degrees uh was that only with overclocking i'm assuming that's at max

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so okay just put it in performance mode and it hits 100 degrees wow okay one of

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the things that we're probably going to have to figure out because having a look

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at the cooling solution here steven identified that there's actually

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a fair amount of vrm cooling going on so they're not just cooling the CPU but

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this aluminum plate right here is actually making thermal pad contact

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with the mosfets and the inductors all of this interesting

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so alex this is going to be a little bit

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tricky we're going to have to get airflow onto this heatsink somehow even

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if we do just go with the stock solution and put this back in here is the GPU

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going to be under a chiller also yeah is it chiller like what is it like

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zero degrees it's whatever you want it to be baby

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okay so it's been a couple hours

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uh where are you at uh we're good to cut things um

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so it looks kind of stupid this is the GPU one

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it does look kind of stupid it's like it looks like you screwed it

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up and because we just moved our router yeah i don't know how accurate it is at

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the moment and until we test that i'm just making all the holes way bigger so hopefully it fits anyway you have the

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o-ring groove and everything's sort of oh right there's no groove yeah no group

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just flat so we're just going to reuse the stock o-ring that came with our chinese block yeah how does this compare

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to how organized and professional you thought we were steve that's about what i thought

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i deserved that hey i get to be the coolest looking one too hey

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oh no what up

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there you go so that's our CPU mount right yep cool

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sorry stephen it's not as bad if you're making the

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noise which is why i always volunteer for tap duty

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that's fine

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this one's a bit off but i think we can just drill through it and it'll be fine

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the pcb or the uh acrylic top

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isn't it going to be beautiful when you have the mill and it'll actually just be like

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how much was it again 5k oh god no i don't know about that

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good enough heck yeah

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it's not perfect but that's not what we're going for the label on this bin

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really does not bode well for the water cooling process sorry steve i

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promise we'll get to the part where we really need your expertise the overclocking very soon

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just gotta you know fabricate some crap

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do you want uh like a vice to secure the block no i

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have that would you like to use it no no i'm good thank you just making sure i'm

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going to go back to writing my scripts for your next video yeah

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oh i wonder if this is how like ek water

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box makes theirs yeah ek definitely uses the drill by hand right through the top

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oh that was gnarly why is alex not wearing

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gloves but Linus has to protect his little baby hands that's why we're

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getting close then aren't we yeah hell yeah actually we have a lot of crap

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on the floor uh steve around the thing there there's a dyson i know that you're

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really good at uh vacuuming i saw you did a review once of a vacuum cleaner is

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the money still in it just vacuum right here

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it's not sucking up the dirt we have to cut a new one alex that's not going to

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hold well alex is re-cutting our GPU acrylic

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top we're going to mount our CPU block as best we can so

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in order to make our lives a little bit now you're not using one of

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those are you yeah why not thermal paste is going to be better

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thermally those are just good for their endurance like because you can use it a long time actually

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coffee lake lying down the middle you know what just for you wait what this is

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this guy like x technique sir i've read that smiley face has improved

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the thermals a bit okay how much are you putting on here

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it's just gonna squish out exactly who's gonna clean it i don't

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know i won't be here minus one of my longest standing sponsors is thermal

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grizzly yeah there needs to be more thermal pain there be

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work it back i'm all about the wiggle technique

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so what do you think looks really ghetto but like in a good way so our

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expectation right now turns on that this will turn on yes

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okay you want to throw that uh heatsink back on there yep three two one

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wait oh i saw a flash on the keyboard oh no it's powering up

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battery that sounds like it wants a battery okay sure let's try putting a

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battery in okay you can screw that down no that's fine

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like at least one you got to hold the heatsink do you want to hold the

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heatsink alex oh it's the heatsink no one's holding it okay are we real i mean

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are we reassembling it at this point like no

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it's off flicker

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yeah fans do like one rotation and stop

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so basically here's what happened the problem was that the memory slots are

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actually labeled one two three four which is pretty typical what's a little less

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typical is that it wasn't booting with memory in slots one and i guess it

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would have been four apparently the system is firing up so

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all that's left now is to re-tighten up our CPU block mount

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our GPU block and then finally

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one day later leverage the talents of steven burke here i might actually do

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something now how about we start

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with just a little below ambient stay above the dew point okay yeah

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i'm gonna lift this up and we are going to put this

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in there okay you can see this well-crafted cutout right here yep

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that's for this right here okay all right okay

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yeah that needs to go perfect thank you don't cut yourself that's some very

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rusty metal okay tubing here's some scrap tubing we had

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lying around with a fitting in

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it's not a race alex well if it is i'm winning

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seems fine well let's maybe give it one minute i mean remember

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these are Linus tapped holes also one of the first um fittings that

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you put on just didn't have an o-ring really so are you sure it didn't come

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off or something no i really did check

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it's just drawing the cables into the fans so they're shredding the

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cable sleeving which is creating strands of cable sleeving that

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get into them more easily wait what what's going

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it's a on solution though well only if it works

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we've got our water cooling working our temperatures are great at idle we're

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what like 15 degrees 15 and 13 on the GPU and we're at six celsius on the

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chiller wonderful except for one small thing no matter what we do in the

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extreme tuning utility i'm using air quotes here

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it's not applying we're getting lower scores in the CPU test in 3d marks so

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we've got core ratio overrides for one to eight cores do you want to just set

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those in here no we'll do that next to you if we can okay all right so after

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painstakingly applying their in BIOS overclocking settings we are supposedly

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at 5.2 gigahertz on any load up to six

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cores and then 4.9 for seven and eight core loads

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but we're pretty sure that this is nonsense so ideally with overclocking

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the biggest limits you run into are thermal and potentially voltage which

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triggers thermal and then power limits and so we're running out of power which

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i know for two reasons one is because hardware info 64 tells us we're hitting

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power limits and the other one is because you can see the core is throttling but we're well under tj maxx

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the issue then is that when i try to increase the power limits here and it

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doesn't look like they've really changed from that BIOS change when i increase

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the power limit to next to you it just says you can't do that or it increases them in such a small way

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that it doesn't do anything useful for us all right well see what happens yeah

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i was going to tell you this clearly isn't working because we're at 246 watts

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we got higher than that before alienware's pre-overclock here is actually doing

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nothing so they're pre-overclocked actually it is 52 on 6 cores but it's

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actually doing 4.8 on all cores so let's just manually tell it to do 49x

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and then i want to change these but i don't think it does anything based on

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what we've seen so let's just run this as a baseline and see what the cores are

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doing so amusingly enough turning our clock

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speed target down to 4.9 but on all cores actually yields

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slightly higher power consumption and

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a higher score a higher score and there so the reason this happens for

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anyone doesn't know is because when you you set the the configuration too

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aggressive but you're power throttling it's throttling harder to try and account for that so you might actually

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drop your multiplier from something like 49x down to all the way into the 20s or

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30s right i'm going to increase the cash ratio now a general rule of thumb is i i

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like to keep cash ratio like maybe four ticks below all core but we're going to

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push for maybe 47 x and see if that holds and this is also known as reboot

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required in xdu on this laptop it seems like reboot required basically means

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it's not going to work no wonder you prefer working with desktops at least

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they're designed for this sort of thing i think this is designed for it i think

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so too i think alienware had this in mind so after beating our heads against the

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wall turns out there's a new BIOS for this laptop apparently enhanced the

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performance of the system perfect thank you BIOS engineers hopefully this gives

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us a bit more control oh whoa whoa hold on a second no this is

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good power limit one is 210 watts now

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oh yeah that's the change okay i have some hope now because if we can get

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another 60 watts that should be substantial yeah i doubt you're gonna be

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able to actually change it to 230 or whatever

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yeah i don't think that's happening then i guess i should note as well i did drop

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the chiller a bit more so i forgot where we're at

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about 10 degrees fahrenheit i don't really use fahrenheit despite being

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american so i'm not sure what that is but our load temps were around 50 to 55

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degrees across all corners we're below zero celsius is what really matters so

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so we're expecting a better result this time because we got up to almost 250

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watts here okay good for the full system CPU temps are also a touch higher in the

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mid 60s so it's definitely working harder so

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we're changing power management mode for the GPU to performance instead of

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optimal power we're changing texture filtering from quality to high

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performance kingpin ogs all those real overclockers do this it's permissible so

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we've got that done it is actually at what was it 290 yeah okay well that's

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very promising this is better than the first BIOS for sure yeah and we haven't

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touched voltage yet so if we have to overvolt we might be able

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to it's just gonna be a power limitation issue you know what right when you said

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that it peaked at 300. so 300 is going to be our new maximum power it looks

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like use of throttle stop to bypass these throttling schemes is at your own

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risk and can result in permanent damage to your power adapter or computer perfect i'm applying the setting it's

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saying reboot required i hit discard i apply the setting and then it works and

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if i reboot it doesn't work it gives an error message it's held 295. it's holding up there

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longer our frequency was at uh actually like 50 the whole time and

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i technically applied 51 but i don't know if it actually worked 106.79

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so this is the error that we get every time we try to actually listen to the

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software and reboot and then it just doesn't apply anything that was changed

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yeah in fact it reset everything else so after playing around with all the dials

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in xtu it turns out that the only thing that really changed with the BIOS update

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was that the default power limit is higher the good news though is now we

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can start pushing our GPU which we should be able to get a pretty good overclock on right yes so gpus NVIDIA

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gbs especially are really temperature dependent and for about

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every maybe five degrees celsius you drop you'll keep getting frequency

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increases without even doing any work we do not have a lot of time uh we're

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starting to sweat yes air will create condensation so i

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would limit air access to components

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i'll let you do that worst case scenario alienware gets back a laptop that

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doesn't work so 11 236. we are up on graphics

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significantly there's some success

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so we are up from 10 000 201 to 11 236

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about 10 and seven degrees on the GPU after running

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so then let's get this back towards the brm perfect how hot is that

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it's getting warm yeah memory was getting a little bit

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toasty too and our memory is shoved under there i think so that's

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i would like to get a fan kind of this direction oh we need to do we need yeah

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light the CPU a bit well that's the best i think we can really hope for right now

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i'm going to put some more towel around the fittings up here at the top

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is the compressor still running are we still bringing this down yeah you know

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i'm gonna i think we're gonna call this the limit because we're starting to sweat more

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than i'm really comfortable with we're gonna start getting drops running down the tubes onto the motherboard here

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pretty soon so you crank did you crank it all the way

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so this is basically it this is what we're going for plus 180 on

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the GPU core plus 11 20 on the GPU memory and five gigahertz on the CPU now

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to be clear there are other things that steve could do if he had more time

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tuning the clock speeds for individual cores because i mean 3d mark especially

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when you're running a GPU test actually doesn't hit all the cores so you could

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avoid a power limit by not running all of them at 5 gigahertz so we have well

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over a ten percent improvement yeah not not bad what do our GPU and CPU temps

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look like is that nine on the GPU i see over here CPU so max was about 74

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degrees celsius so and then the GPU we don't have it logged actually we do uh

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the max was 28 degrees 28 degrees

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really not bad that's awesome

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so anyway i think we can be happy with this knowing that within the time and

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the software parameters we unfortunately have we're at eleven thousand four six verses

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um ten thousand hundred eighty-six so that is way outside of margin of error

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we've actually improved it yep the graphic score is eleven thousand six

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fourteen the CPU wasn't really that great it was 10 360. so we it could

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improve there there's a throttling issue so settings GPU core offset was 160

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megahertz memory we did 11 20 megahertz i tried 1180 i tried 1220. both of those

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really heavily artifacted and crashed maximum performance mode in the power

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management for NVIDIA drivers we changed texture filtration to high performance

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from quality which is allowed so that's it

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massive thank you to uh alienware for

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permitting us to do this to their machine i'm just kidding they didn't permit this they did not permit any of

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this but uh thanks to steve for coming out and uh having some fun with us it

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was a lot of fun first time laptop extreme overclocking yes

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very fun and very impressed with alex's cnc

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description i wouldn't recommend using it like this also down there is our merch store and what the hey why don't

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we put steve's merch store down there as well do you have these mod maps again yet uh they will be here pretty soon

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yeah okay and we have the medium ones now so these things are fantastic

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