WEBVTT 00:00:00.919 --> 00:00:06.200 what did you say AI will it kill your parents AI will it kill your parents 00:00:04.839 --> 00:00:11.480 yeah you know there was a time when that question wouldn't make any sense but 00:00:08.920 --> 00:00:15.599 sadly it does in the year 2023 uh because AI has been crazy 00:00:14.400 --> 00:00:22.519 there's been a lot of tech news happening this year and we're gonna talk about it on this episode of talk link 00:00:19.160 --> 00:00:26.920 with who murd no that's me okay Jessica 00:00:22.519 --> 00:00:28.359 P Jessica P You're the WAN writer I am 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:31.920 the W writer and this is probably the first time listeners have heard how my 00:00:30.080 --> 00:00:35.200 last name is pronounced and I'm sorry we had to break it to you this way I mean 00:00:33.480 --> 00:00:41.760 how else would you say it pigo people usually say pigo pigo you're the WAN 00:00:38.680 --> 00:00:44.000 writer but you also uh write TechLinked 00:00:41.760 --> 00:00:48.360 yes and you also and game link and Tech quick and Tech Wick yes you're you're 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:53.239 got your hands in all the pots now I multifaceted I think there was a rumor 00:00:50.239 --> 00:00:55.120 before my my name was released because I 00:00:53.239 --> 00:01:03.760 I tended to jokingly put my name in the credits as various Ai and uh there there 00:00:58.760 --> 00:01:03.760 was a rumor that I was actually an AI 00:01:03.839 --> 00:01:12.280 experiment I just kept showing up in so many different video series maybe we all 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:14.040 are who knows brains and Vats Etc I've 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:17.840 honestly this year has made me question absolutely everything we're going to go 00:01:15.600 --> 00:01:22.240 through our favorite stories of the year or sort of we're going to talk about 00:01:19.720 --> 00:01:25.840 Jessica's first year here at LMG and cover some of our you know the stories 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:29.920 that really got us uh got got us thinking now this episode we're 00:01:27.360 --> 00:01:34.040 recording it the week before but it's going to go up on Wednesday December 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:38.320 27th 2 days after our Christmas special so if you want a proper big Roundup of 00:01:36.759 --> 00:01:44.640 all the tech stories of the year and you didn't see that we released a Christmas special go see that but this is more of 00:01:41.720 --> 00:01:48.399 a casual situation Jessica how's it been had you tried to keep up with the tech 00:01:46.320 --> 00:01:52.560 news cycle in the way that you have had to this year before not like this no 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:57.079 like there was always things I kept up with there's little trends that I would 00:01:54.719 --> 00:02:02.840 note um but if you want to know my previous experience following the news 00:01:59.520 --> 00:02:06.200 time line uh I learned about Bitcoin in 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:07.640 early 2012 when huh that's interesting 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:12.200 and didn't pay attention to it again until 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:17.480 2019 there are there's always just been a lot of stuff that just passes Me by 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:22.080 because I wasn't specifically interested um yeah I mean crypto that's fair 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:28.040 honestly if if if people missed the whole crypto kind of hype and then crash 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:31.760 uh it's like well to me it few years to me it started here and it ended here so 00:02:30.040 --> 00:02:35.760 and everything in between that like there there might have been an up there might have been a down to me it was a 00:02:34.440 --> 00:02:40.760 straight line yeah well okay it's not fair to say 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:45.280 that sorry I just said a second ago that it was only a few years but really I 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:50.000 mean you know crypto started way back you know early 2000 early 2010s or maybe 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:53.879 before that anyways but the really started gaining hype around 2012 13 and 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:58.800 stuff that then it kind of like laid dormant and then it spiked in the last 00:02:56.040 --> 00:03:02.400 few years and just in time for it to kind of fall out of favor I mean last 00:03:00.640 --> 00:03:06.200 year I was I rewatched some of our Christmas specials in preparation for 00:03:04.040 --> 00:03:11.360 this year's and one of the main stories last year was how crypto basically just 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:15.000 fell off the map at the beginning of 2022 a bunch of companies were still 00:03:13.200 --> 00:03:18.319 doing stuff with it they announced Integrations with at a lot of gaming 00:03:16.440 --> 00:03:22.040 companies in particular and then by the end of the year they had all kind of 00:03:19.959 --> 00:03:27.280 canceled it yeah like I remember like wealth simple sending me an email like a 00:03:24.920 --> 00:03:31.360 year and a half ago about their crypto integration yeah well and it's still 00:03:29.799 --> 00:03:35.280 integrated in a lot of things I don't want to say that it's dead it's not it's 00:03:33.519 --> 00:03:41.040 absolutely not but in terms of its mainstream for the average person crypto 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:44.200 was fast yeah yeah crypto was very fast 00:03:41.040 --> 00:03:48.159 it was a flash in the pan mhm um but it 00:03:44.200 --> 00:03:50.760 was replaced by AI which is like the 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:55.360 hugest thing this year but way bigger hype before we get there how was it 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:59.200 keeping up with everything you said that you kind of like were aware of some 00:03:56.799 --> 00:04:04.640 things before but like was there a break neck speed cuz I've been doing this for 00:04:01.239 --> 00:04:08.000 10 years so I I you I want to hear what 00:04:04.640 --> 00:04:10.319 it was like for you uh it was a lot of 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:13.760 reading stuff and not knowing if it was important or 00:04:11.480 --> 00:04:17.359 not cuz sometimes you'd read something and you're like that sounds really 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:21.720 important and then Riley would go yeah they always do that yeah this is 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:25.040 actually the sixth time or I'd read something and I'm just like I don't that 00:04:23.400 --> 00:04:30.400 don't seem important at all and Riley would be like this is 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:32.560 gamechanging and I'm like really yeah 00:04:30.400 --> 00:04:37.400 yeah I just a big part of the issue is not that I didn't understand what was 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:42.639 happening but I did not have the right amount of context to understand what 00:04:40.039 --> 00:04:45.960 people considered important yeah it's always hard especially because 00:04:44.320 --> 00:04:52.240 especially when you're writing for w show and like with TechLink it's you 00:04:48.440 --> 00:04:54.120 know we we do our best but WAN Show it's 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:58.000 we are preparing things and before you came on uh the the whole writing team 00:04:56.560 --> 00:05:04.240 kind of worked together on it but I was like curating the topics and now this is 00:05:01.440 --> 00:05:09.400 your burden and uh it is a struggle to kind of guess what lonus and Luke will 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:13.440 particularly find interesting it is as opposed to what we think maybe the the 00:05:11.320 --> 00:05:17.080 the Broad tech audience on YouTube will find interesting I sometimes I feel like 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:21.720 like I have a Ouija board or I have a crystal ball and I'm just going like I'm 00:05:19.960 --> 00:05:26.880 like okay well like this is objectively important but like I don't no we have 00:05:24.479 --> 00:05:32.400 like a little spreadsheet set up and like I I think I've gotten a lot better 00:05:28.880 --> 00:05:34.800 at guessing but still sometimes I will 00:05:32.400 --> 00:05:38.319 get it back from lus and I will be baffled by what returns to me I'm like 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:42.840 you want to talk about that that's a main story to you yeah yeah okay because 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:46.639 I I thought maybe I'd have to write three lines on that yeah we'll put 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:49.960 something in there we be like this is the biggest news of the week you guys 00:05:48.280 --> 00:05:54.600 need to talk about this for half an hour he's like eh world changing he's like I 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:58.479 want to talk about this Final Fantasy bug that's really annoying me but to 00:05:56.759 --> 00:06:03.360 your point a second ago about like having the context it is tough because 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:09.199 we hired you and we hired Jacob uh close to a year ago yes and you guys have been 00:06:07.440 --> 00:06:14.280 you know getting on the team and becoming embedded in like gaining that 00:06:11.280 --> 00:06:17.199 kind of context that that I've had for a 00:06:14.280 --> 00:06:23.520 while and it's uh yeah it's it's it's a whole process admittedly I no longer 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:27.039 find myself Googling what is Red Green 00:06:23.520 --> 00:06:29.720 Team yeah exactly question mark yeah but 00:06:27.039 --> 00:06:34.560 I want to say honestly that the differ between you and your like kind of 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:38.039 ambient knowledge for some of this stuff the difference between you now and 00:06:36.080 --> 00:06:41.560 between you like when you started is is so vast like now I'll just talk about a 00:06:39.919 --> 00:06:46.680 tech thing and you'll just be like yeah you know oh I am a sponge I am a serious 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:51.120 sponge uh that was kind of what James said to me when he hired me was like you 00:06:49.520 --> 00:06:53.720 obviously don't have the background but you're smart you'll figure it out I'm 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:58.960 like what does that mean oh uh hold on a second I'm 00:06:57.280 --> 00:07:03.639 rethinking here things here yeah you didn't pick up on that okay I'm like 00:07:00.440 --> 00:07:06.599 that sounds ominous am I in danger don't 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:10.800 worry you'll be fine swim yeah so I mean I do tend to have a 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:15.479 pretty good grasp of Technology it's just that most of the technology I'm interested in was invented before 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:21.039 everyone was current who's currently alive was born right because PRI prior 00:07:17.919 --> 00:07:23.240 to your job here you did write blog 00:07:21.039 --> 00:07:28.160 posts absolutely about and you did deep Dives on History topics yeah which 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:32.000 involves technology a lot of time absolutely involves techn for sure which 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:35.599 is I think why I mean I've loved your Techquickie scripts I think that you do 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:39.160 a deep dive and you make them funny you're a you're a standup comedian in 00:07:37.479 --> 00:07:43.160 case anyone doesn't know I'm currently sitting but you know you just got to 00:07:41.280 --> 00:07:47.400 imagine me like two feet up that's the kind of jokes we're looking for you can 00:07:45.960 --> 00:07:52.199 look forward to I I cannot tell the kind of jokes 00:07:50.280 --> 00:07:57.039 that I tell on stage in this context Jacob wrote a sit stand joke into 00:07:54.440 --> 00:08:00.720 today's Tech link asang like they will not stand for that but if you want to 00:07:58.479 --> 00:08:04.520 sit for that see this just reminds me of the time when like you were like I heard 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:09.159 you across the room like I was finishing up a joke for TechLink and I heard you 00:08:06.479 --> 00:08:12.960 all across the room telling Jacob off for having two jokes in one script that 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:18.599 were about shoving objects in someone's butt as I was finishing a joke about 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:23.879 shoving objects at people's butts I mean hey it's a funny place of 00:08:22.280 --> 00:08:27.000 the body you know like it's a it's inherently humorous I mean what you what 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:33.320 are you supposed to do not make jokes about it um but all right and now it's 00:08:30.960 --> 00:08:38.120 not time for quick bits because there aren't any today nonetheless this video 00:08:35.599 --> 00:08:42.440 is brought to you by Firebelly tea their travel mug gives tea lovers the ability 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:47.519 to start or stop their iced or hot tea infusion anytime anywhere it's flow 00:08:45.560 --> 00:08:51.360 control and tapered lip makes it feel like you drinking from a traditional mug 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:57.240 but with none of the spillage and you should also check out the unique 00:08:53.000 --> 00:09:01.120 handcrafted teas they're terrific go to 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:03.399 LMG g/ belly mug grab yourself a stop 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:08.519 infusion travel mug and use code linked 10 to get 10% off your entire purchase 00:09:06.519 --> 00:09:14.079 so on that note yeah let's talk about our favorite tech stories this year uh 00:09:11.160 --> 00:09:17.440 for me it's it's definitely one of the biggest ones and one of my favorites is 00:09:15.760 --> 00:09:22.959 AI just because I've been doing my darnest this year to make some progress 00:09:19.560 --> 00:09:25.760 on a tech longer about it and it's been 00:09:22.959 --> 00:09:30.320 very very very difficult a long road to find the to find the time uh to do it 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:35.800 but I've been like saving so many links it's it's crazy so uh yeah how do you 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:38.560 feel about AI is it is it going to be the end of humanity is it going to be 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:44.320 the bright optimistic future I think the 00:09:41.560 --> 00:09:48.640 truth is somewhere in between I know I know but of course you're that's why 00:09:46.160 --> 00:09:55.279 you're presenting the dichotomy there's been a lot of 00:09:50.560 --> 00:09:58.240 both Euphoria and H hyy about AI I think 00:09:55.279 --> 00:10:03.000 it's genuinely incredibly cool it really is it's incred incredibly cool but the 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:09.880 danger is that there are people who think that in the same way as people 00:10:06.079 --> 00:10:12.320 thought about crypto exactly and I feel 00:10:09.880 --> 00:10:17.160 like a lot of people's reaction and this is I was talking earlier about grifters 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:22.079 a lot of people's reaction to whatever is drawing the most attention in a media 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:26.240 space is just to immediately just try to like pick it up 00:10:24.560 --> 00:10:32.200 like it's a piggy bank and try to shake money out of it yeah regard of why 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:36.880 regardless of there's no real thought behind it and I feel like that's a lot 00:10:34.560 --> 00:10:42.279 of the current danger about AI like I'm not really worried about human 00:10:38.880 --> 00:10:45.839 extinction at this point I am worried 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:47.480 about people throwing away people's jobs 00:10:45.839 --> 00:10:53.160 because they think they can replace them with what is essentially a an advanced 00:10:50.399 --> 00:11:00.160 auto correct well like I'm worried about people you know just filling like 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:06.320 flooding the zone of conversation with like AI slurry and that causing 00:11:03.839 --> 00:11:11.600 like Downstream problems for basic communication yeah I mean that's the 00:11:08.920 --> 00:11:14.800 issue though is that you just compared like the risk of extension like you're 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:20.680 not worried about that you're worried about the money thing and I think that 00:11:18.040 --> 00:11:25.200 unfortunately the the people trying to commercialize it is what could lead to 00:11:23.160 --> 00:11:29.120 the extension I mean we it's so interesting we're doing it to ourselves 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:35.160 I'm not worried about the AI I'm worried about the people using it what's what's 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:39.560 a tool is a Tool's a hammer is a hammer I mean yeah and and thankfully they're 00:11:37.560 --> 00:11:44.079 not at the level of like being actual autonomous agents right now they are 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:47.720 just tools and it's it's unclear if they will ever get to the point where they 00:11:45.839 --> 00:11:52.040 could be described as like an autonomous agent in the in the way you think of 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:57.200 like a Sci-Fi robot being like yeah we don't know if the H 9,000 thing is 00:11:54.399 --> 00:12:01.440 currently possible yeah I mean there are there are some things that that have 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:05.839 been made we reported on auto GPT at some point in the middle of the Year 00:12:02.760 --> 00:12:08.120 where they could string along a few uh 00:12:05.839 --> 00:12:12.959 chat Bots that kind of like you give it an overarching goal and then it self- 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:17.760 prompts itself along towards that goal but I think that and more recently it 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:19.279 being able to create other smaller 00:12:17.760 --> 00:12:25.120 versions of itself that that was crazy that was a crazy recent story where like 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:27.120 AI can give birth to other AIS yeah and 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:31.720 then we put them in our shoes we'll link to the episode for that so you more 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:36.519 context but yeah what's so what one of the most interesting things to me about 00:12:33.160 --> 00:12:40.040 the AI thing about the AI whole 00:12:36.519 --> 00:12:42.639 spectacle is the fact that open 00:12:40.040 --> 00:12:47.880 aai uh their whole mission statement from the beginning was to not be a 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:50.839 commercial entity exactly they were like we're not going to go down the 00:12:48.959 --> 00:12:58.320 commercial route we're just going to do research science yeah and we're going to 00:12:54.880 --> 00:12:59.920 do research so that we can stop the bad 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:05.360 commercial people who are going to screw up the world and then will be able to 00:13:01.760 --> 00:13:08.079 stop them they are the people who put 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:12.880 this thing out into the like chat GPT was the impetus for all of this and it 00:13:10.959 --> 00:13:17.800 was open AI the company who said that they would protect the world but you 00:13:16.160 --> 00:13:23.800 know and you could make an argument that like okay AI is too powerful for one 00:13:21.800 --> 00:13:27.480 company to control so they had to get it out there so that people could like see 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:31.800 what's happening and do stuff with it and all this all this uh stuff but open 00:13:30.079 --> 00:13:36.480 AI is not doing it open source they're doing it proprietary exactly meta is 00:13:34.079 --> 00:13:40.120 doing open source stuff there's a lot of good interesting stuff going in going on 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:46.399 in the open source Community I mean mistol is is is pretty close to like 00:13:44.079 --> 00:13:52.279 it's behind claw which is just behind chat GPT but like I don't know that so 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:56.279 like to your point about the the the conflict between those two drives there 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:59.160 is that conflict but it's also so complicated because the the companies 00:13:57.880 --> 00:14:05.959 that are saying that're are here to protect us or the companies who are trying to commercialize it mhm so and 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:11.120 Commercial interests they it's kind of like a Whirlpool like it has its own 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:15.720 gravity it has its own momentum it sucks you towards it whether you like it or 00:14:13.560 --> 00:14:20.839 not whatever your original intentions were yeah let's talk about the sort of 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:26.279 the details of of AI a little bit like how how long did it take you it 00:14:23.880 --> 00:14:32.199 took me a long time to wrap my head around the idea that this is like a 00:14:29.040 --> 00:14:33.880 neural network like do you let's let's 00:14:32.199 --> 00:14:38.160 let's get into the deep stuff do you think it'll ever be conscious I like to 00:14:36.199 --> 00:14:43.759 think that that's plausible like there's a part of me that finds that very 00:14:40.160 --> 00:14:45.839 compelling as an idea I think because of 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:51.240 how important like sci-fi writers have been writing about the idea of 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:54.680 autonomous agents like iroot like all of 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:56.560 this these ideas this Grand cultural 00:14:54.680 --> 00:15:01.120 weight of the idea of like what if we could create life what if human beings 00:14:59.399 --> 00:15:07.639 could create a Consciousness that is analogous to ourselves right now to be 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:09.440 clear I don't actually think it's that 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:14.440 plausible that we will create something that is like human beings no I I don't 00:15:12.839 --> 00:15:19.440 think that's the cas I think I agree I think it's fundamentally different um 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:25.600 yeah we might create like a uh super intelligent uh crazy like a thousand 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:27.720 years from now Poss plausibly even but 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:31.000 it's not going to be like us yes it's not going to be analogist to us the 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:36.319 thing is I would never feel comfortable saying no it will never happen right I 00:15:34.199 --> 00:15:40.399 think that is a fundamentally arrogant like intellectually 00:15:37.800 --> 00:15:45.440 dishonest position to take yeah you can say that it's unlikely honest you can 00:15:42.680 --> 00:15:51.079 say that it's nowhere near in the near future but not no yeah honestly I I 00:15:48.680 --> 00:15:54.040 completely go back and forth I'm like I think at the beginning I was like it's 00:15:52.319 --> 00:15:57.360 not conscious it's just a whatever and then like I saw some stuff and I was 00:15:55.360 --> 00:16:01.360 like whoa that's this is actually pretty crazy and look at it structurally you're 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:05.959 like this is structurally very very similar to the way that neurons work in 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:09.480 the human brain but then it's like oh there's all these levels of complexities 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:14.199 that you know it's like this is a computer it's not like a physical like 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:17.360 neuron with a milein sheath and everything like there's so many complex 00:16:16.199 --> 00:16:22.880 interactions that we don't even understand the brain and now we're suddenly doing psychology on computers 00:16:21.199 --> 00:16:26.680 see that was exactly what I was thinking like just thinking just now it's just 00:16:24.199 --> 00:16:32.120 like we don't even understand why we're conscious yeah exactly we like that's an 00:16:28.920 --> 00:16:34.600 emergent property of our brains we like 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:38.680 you cannot point to the the spot in the brain where Consciousness lives right 00:16:36.920 --> 00:16:41.680 you don't know we know where our personalities are it's right up front 00:16:40.160 --> 00:16:47.440 here we know where our sight is it's in the back we do not know why we have a 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:49.680 sense of self exactly we may never we 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:52.839 may never like we are trying to understand something that is exactly as 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:58.920 complicated as our own brains with our own brains yeah yeah so in in terms of 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:03.880 like I think I think the thing that was easiest for cuz like it was wild at 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:09.199 first looking at some of this stuff I think the kinds of comparisons that 00:17:05.919 --> 00:17:12.039 helped me the most was like like it's 00:17:09.199 --> 00:17:17.520 it's using it this is a a very advanced form of pattern recognition oh yeah like 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:21.919 that's what this thing is doing and like it kind of reminds me a lot of like the 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:27.720 hallucinations and like odd behavior oh my gosh that like Sydney coming out it 00:17:25.600 --> 00:17:33.840 just it's just so obvious that we trained AI on like llms on the internet 00:17:31.679 --> 00:17:38.880 because it got just got so emotional it's just like we've created life and 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:41.000 given it a personality disorder like 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:46.440 immediately immediately I was trying to find the Articles from the the um the 00:17:44.120 --> 00:17:52.320 the the the Contemporary uh dis discussion of it uh uh I'm not sure what 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:55.480 you mean by that the the articles that came out at the time yeah yeah yeah I 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:59.880 was I was trying to find articles from the time when like people found out 00:17:57.919 --> 00:18:04.880 about Sydney the code name that like Bing chat had and I was trying to find 00:18:02.919 --> 00:18:09.440 the Articles where they or where Sydney came up with other personalities there 00:18:07.080 --> 00:18:13.640 were like multiple personas yeah somebody asked Sydney like who else is 00:18:11.760 --> 00:18:18.000 in there with you or whatever and they she she he it I don't know described all 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:22.240 these different personalities and I'm like what that was wild that was in the 00:18:20.320 --> 00:18:27.039 early days very early days and part of the issue it reminds me of and by early 00:18:24.159 --> 00:18:30.960 days I mean like March March this has moved so fast it's wild fast it's just a 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:35.919 whole new reality and part of the issue is it reminds me of the problem you get 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:40.440 when you are like this is a problem with children trying to like discuss like 00:18:39.080 --> 00:18:45.120 crimes when they're witnesses to something because you can end up in this 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:50.280 situation where the adult is just kind of like trying to get a specific answer 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:54.600 out of the kid and like the kid just doesn't know what they want so just 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:59.640 starts responding to what's getting a reaction yeah that's what I feel like a 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:06.440 lot of the weird weirdest stuff that AI does comes out where it's just it's a 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:08.600 mirror yeah it is feeding us back what 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:12.679 we're responding to yeah I think a turning point for me thinking about Ai 00:19:11.080 --> 00:19:17.039 and what it means and how it works and stuff was when people started like there 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:20.720 was the initial wave of hype and obviously you know I didn't get fully 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:26.159 swept into all this I think like I keep kind of a more detached like skeptical 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:31.480 stance on it but I have to follow the story as it's like developing so there 00:19:28.520 --> 00:19:38.559 were people who were like it's alive and then sometime after that uh um 00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:40.640 sentiments that got more prevalent where people saying this kind of thing where 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:45.919 it's like the AI is saying crazy stuff 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:51.280 because we're asking it to say crazy stuff we're like we're it's a mirror yes 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:56.200 and so you know we are responding most to when it is craziest yeah yeah now I 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:59.640 want to I would love for this whole thing to be about AI but we should 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:06.360 probably mention some other stories that we uh enjoyed this year um I have so 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:09.000 many but they're all very odd yeah well 00:20:06.360 --> 00:20:14.799 I mean those are the perfect ones I love the really odd ones um what's what 00:20:12.159 --> 00:20:20.960 what's an odd one I absolutely lost my mind when there was a proton Port of 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:25.600 cheex quest do you mean that like it was hilarious to you that someone went out 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:28.520 of their way to like ensure that the 00:20:25.600 --> 00:20:33.559 check's Quest had support for Bron yes the uh emulation layer between Linux and 00:20:31.320 --> 00:20:39.799 Windows games absolutely that was magical to me I love people's odd little 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:45.559 projects yeah you did a whole segment in W recently yeah and it went over pretty 00:20:42.120 --> 00:20:48.240 well with the uh branded retr branded 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:51.600 games yeah retro branded games I feel like there's a lot of culture and this 00:20:50.320 --> 00:20:56.200 is coming from me as someone who really loves history a lot of the cult like we 00:20:54.240 --> 00:21:01.360 get this idea that past cultures were far more serious than we are but the 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:07.400 problem is it's a survivorship bias thing there's a lot of garbage that we 00:21:04.360 --> 00:21:09.520 just threw out because it was garbage 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:15.320 but it's kind of magical when some of that stuff survives into the present and 00:21:12.919 --> 00:21:20.480 you get to get a glimps into like this is what we were making 20 years ago oh 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:22.320 man yeah I I love adver games for that 00:21:20.480 --> 00:21:28.200 reason like really really old advertisements like I don't like modern 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:30.640 ads at all but like really old quirky 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:33.320 advertisements are hilarious to me that that's what that's one thing that's 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:38.080 amazing about the internet is the fact that you can find that 00:21:34.919 --> 00:21:40.320 stuff and yeah sometimes when I'm 00:21:38.080 --> 00:21:45.039 researching a story I'll go and look for stuff that happened you know early 2000s 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:48.240 or whatever and all the a lot of the time I mean some of it's being deleted 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:53.760 there was a whole story about what was it CET started like like deleting their 00:21:51.760 --> 00:21:59.840 old articles off randomly deleting their old articles because for SEO reasons and 00:21:56.880 --> 00:22:04.799 like every SEO expert was like no don't do that yeah for the most part A lot of 00:22:02.679 --> 00:22:10.120 the old stuff is still there so you can go and do a Google Search and it it's 00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:15.039 like a weird experience going on a forum uh you know chat boards or 00:22:12.520 --> 00:22:20.039 whatever from like early 2000s and seeing how people wrote It's Like You 00:22:17.320 --> 00:22:23.679 Can Tell cultural differences it's like digging into the archives you know in 00:22:22.080 --> 00:22:27.480 like one of these movies where they do research or whatever I feel like I'm I 00:22:26.120 --> 00:22:31.360 feel like I'm in another world or it's like it's years ago you're just in there 00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:37.200 like Indiana Jones snooping on their little Forum posts trying to grab a an 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:42.159 interesting snippet and then run away before well that's how I felt when I was 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:47.440 digging through like I found a huge Archive of like like stuff that had 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:55.799 never originally been on the internet it was uploaded in January 2002 and it was 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:58.240 news articles from the earlys and and 00:22:55.799 --> 00:23:03.400 the late '90s wowow and I thought that stuff was amazing apparently Amazon was 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:08.840 engaging in union busting so weird wild what a different 00:23:07.159 --> 00:23:15.480 time than today Microsoft was being investigated 00:23:11.320 --> 00:23:18.159 for antitrust oh man I got to say one of 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:24.200 my favorite stories will technology kill us all it was very fun in early 2000s 00:23:21.600 --> 00:23:29.840 silly concerns they had at the time I got to say one of my favorite stories 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:30.960 this year was uh you know okay I'll say 00:23:29.840 --> 00:23:36.799 it's my favorite it's one of my favorite stories but it's also one where I'm starting to kind of be like I don't know 00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:43.159 if this is a good thing all the antitrust uh action by governments 00:23:40.320 --> 00:23:47.960 obviously we had the epic games uh suit against Apple uh couple years ago and 00:23:46.159 --> 00:23:55.080 now Google this year that happened as well but like EU put a lot of their uh 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:58.400 legislation into effect I Apple actually 00:23:55.080 --> 00:24:01.440 launched an iPhone with USBC this year 00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:04.200 uh they announced plans to allow side 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:07.640 loading and other app stores I think that's I think they have to do that by 00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:11.480 next year I have to look it up but they'll be doing it at some point we got 00:24:09.400 --> 00:24:16.520 this whole beeper versus apple with the iMessage compatibility thing that's kind 00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:22.520 of opening up just now but the reason it makes me be like hm hold on a second is 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:28.159 is the fact that like a lot of this is happening because of government 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:30.120 regulation yes and I think that I think 00:24:28.159 --> 00:24:33.720 that I'm wary of a turning point in which we've been reporting on all this 00:24:31.840 --> 00:24:39.760 EU stuff happening we're like yeah get apple make apple open up their platform 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:41.640 ET ET yeah and I'm worried that there's 00:24:39.760 --> 00:24:46.000 going to be a Tipping Point where the EU like their regulations start rubbing us 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:50.600 the wrong way yeah well because keep going M and part of the problem is that 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:56.480 like I think we've seen through a lot of our reporting or a lot of people's 00:24:52.520 --> 00:24:58.440 reporting is just like often Regulators 00:24:56.480 --> 00:25:05.360 don't understand technology ology very well mhm and off like this this is often 00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:07.320 we're very skeptical about like apple 00:25:05.360 --> 00:25:12.840 jumping on and support of like right to repair legislation me personally I find 00:25:10.919 --> 00:25:17.880 that very optimistic one it shows a turning point it shows that they see 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:21.279 that as the winning team but also I do 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:23.360 want Apple to actually be at that table 00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:28.200 I do want them to be at that table because they will know when it starts 00:25:25.600 --> 00:25:32.080 going too far will they I mean I you I don't know 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:37.080 that's a hard thing but like it's it's one of those things where you can never 00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:40.440 really predict like at this moment you can never really predict at this moment 00:25:38.919 --> 00:25:43.760 what things are going to look like in 5 years what's going to go too far what's 00:25:42.399 --> 00:25:50.760 going to have these unintended consequences so what I would prefer is a 00:25:47.679 --> 00:25:55.080 balance between different powers MH like 00:25:50.760 --> 00:25:57.399 this kind of like shaky back and forth I 00:25:55.080 --> 00:26:02.760 feel is mostly a good thing it's like that Churchill quote you know it's the 00:25:59.960 --> 00:26:08.279 wor democracy is the worst possible form of government except all the other ones 00:26:05.360 --> 00:26:13.919 that have been yeah yeah like I I do want well hold on you're not taking a 00:26:09.799 --> 00:26:17.039 stance here I mean uh I'm just imagining 00:26:13.919 --> 00:26:20.399 comments that's all yeah my stance is 00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:23.559 that I would prefer no one to have 00:26:20.399 --> 00:26:25.919 complete sovereignity over me oh yeah 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:31.600 and I feel like most people would agree with that regardless of like where they 00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:33.760 specifically fall hot take unless unless 00:26:31.600 --> 00:26:38.760 it's a you know hyper intelligence Supreme AI Overlord who knows what's 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:44.600 best for you I for one welcome our new Sydney overlords Sydney I just I don't 00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:50.679 like anybody having too much power so I I would like a little bit of of back and 00:26:47.760 --> 00:26:57.559 forth one of the big things for me uh was um YouTube okay both uh the 00:26:54.799 --> 00:27:00.799 Crackdown on ad blockers and the early ier I feel like at this point mostly in 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:06.799 the background um crackdowns on vulgarity 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:11.200 yeah within and like there's always that uncomfortable relationship between 00:27:09.399 --> 00:27:16.720 advertisers like the people who are mostly financing these platforms and the 00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:20.320 basic reality that vulgarity is a normal part of human 00:27:17.919 --> 00:27:24.279 communication yeah yeah I mean that's how it is yeah that that was really 00:27:21.919 --> 00:27:27.320 interesting that whole uh changing their their uh terms and or not ter terms and 00:27:26.159 --> 00:27:31.600 conditions but their their guidelines their friendly guidelines um at the end 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:36.960 of yeah at the end of 2022 but that story kind of like broke more uh like it 00:27:34.760 --> 00:27:42.080 happened in in November 2022 and then it broke more early this year and yeah that 00:27:40.399 --> 00:27:46.960 was only the start YouTube had a crazy year as you say they they're like 00:27:43.760 --> 00:27:48.960 fighting ad many ad blockers are broken 00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:54.000 although now many of them are working again but that war has gotten more 00:27:51.559 --> 00:28:00.039 intense than ever this year and they also added tests like that well actually 00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:02.200 1080p premium 10 1080p premium on 00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:05.760 YouTube is not a test anymore it's just a it's a thing they launched it I guess 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:10.279 their test went okay people didn't really complain about it they said 00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:15.000 specifically that it's not degrading the non premium experience it's only that 00:28:12.360 --> 00:28:18.240 the premium people get better which I guess you have to take your word for it 00:28:16.159 --> 00:28:23.000 unless you do some crazy testing I haven't heard any complaints so maybe 00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:25.880 it's fine um shorts started getting 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:29.120 Revenue this year they did uh what else oh there was one more the ads they 00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:33.000 started doing these experiments another test they were doing was that like 00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:36.880 frontloading like 10 ads in front of a video instead of like spacing it out 00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:43.600 people did not like that so they haven't launched that but yeah YouTube has changed a lot 00:28:41.679 --> 00:28:47.960 I think one thing that I want to I want to end on this um because I completely 00:28:46.679 --> 00:28:55.039 forgot about this until I started looking through the stories for the Christmas special do you remember the 00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:56.799 Chinese spy balloon yeah a while I was 00:28:55.039 --> 00:29:01.200 like what that was this year that was this year they forgot about it the world 00:28:58.760 --> 00:29:06.200 was going nuts for a second yeah we were we were losing our minds like they shot 00:29:03.840 --> 00:29:10.880 down one they shot yeah they shot it down they there was a couple oh yeah 00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:15.559 there was one that got shot down over Canada really yes oh yeah yeah like the 00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:19.440 the Canadian government had to give them permission to fly into our airspace in 00:29:17.919 --> 00:29:23.159 case you couldn't tell I haven't finished the techland Christmas special 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:26.600 so we're like reacting to finding out about this stuff for the second time you 00:29:25.080 --> 00:29:32.679 know for the first time if that makes sense uh so this will be a a whole 00:29:30.760 --> 00:29:37.760 proper Roundup in the TechLink Christmas special which you probably have already 00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:42.880 seen maybe if if that came out on a Monday anyways it's also been a rough 00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:47.320 year for physical media oh yeah wait yeah what do you mean I forget oh the 00:29:44.159 --> 00:29:49.279 dropping of DVDs and CDs and various 00:29:47.320 --> 00:29:54.360 stores well best yeah they Best Buy announced plans to drop it next year yes 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:59.679 uh and Netflix will no longer be sending DVDs in the mail oh no which is just 00:29:57.360 --> 00:30:05.039 devastating for me yeah I I actually was one of the 00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:07.039 original users of the the Netflix uh 00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:12.200 mailing system I remember that from way back wow no I never I never used that I 00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:15.039 heard about it I had OG Netflix wow 00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:19.880 where they sent it through the mail yeah I used Blockbuster right it up until it 00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:24.559 died I wasn't about to use that new fangled DVD mailing yeah well I always 00:30:22.919 --> 00:30:31.120 lived in the woods so and don't you live in the woods 00:30:27.919 --> 00:30:32.559 WS watch techlinked and GameLinked Etc 00:30:31.120 --> 00:30:38.840 that are going to keep happening that's the end of this episode because they're going to start the W show soon and we 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:43.320 suddenly have to abruptly end uh will AI 00:30:38.840 --> 00:30:45.159 kill your kids yes jeez Louise honestly 00:30:43.320 --> 00:30:49.159 we're weighing the parents and kids thing right now but one of them's going 00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:56.080 to go yep and you're going to be forced to adopt AI robot children or parents so 00:30:53.679 --> 00:31:00.720 just you know make peace with that Robo grandma and and make peace with the fact 00:30:58.919 --> 00:31:06.880 that this episode is over that's outro transition number two uh subscribe to 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:09.559 TechLink say bye-bye to Jessica okay 00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:14.600 subscribe and I'll see you on the next time 00:31:11.159 --> 00:31:14.600 Jess bye