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what did you say AI will it kill your parents AI will it kill your parents

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yeah you know there was a time when that question wouldn't make any sense but

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sadly it does in the year 2023 uh because AI has been crazy

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there's been a lot of tech news happening this year and we're gonna talk about it on this episode of talk link

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with who murd no that's me okay Jessica

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P Jessica P You're the WAN writer I am

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the W writer and this is probably the first time listeners have heard how my

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last name is pronounced and I'm sorry we had to break it to you this way I mean

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how else would you say it pigo people usually say pigo pigo you're the WAN

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writer but you also uh write TechLinked

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yes and you also and game link and Tech quick and Tech Wick yes you're you're

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got your hands in all the pots now I multifaceted I think there was a rumor

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before my my name was released because I

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I tended to jokingly put my name in the credits as various Ai and uh there there

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was a rumor that I was actually an AI

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experiment I just kept showing up in so many different video series maybe we all

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are who knows brains and Vats Etc I've

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honestly this year has made me question absolutely everything we're going to go

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through our favorite stories of the year or sort of we're going to talk about

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Jessica's first year here at LMG and cover some of our you know the stories

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that really got us uh got got us thinking now this episode we're

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recording it the week before but it's going to go up on Wednesday December

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27th 2 days after our Christmas special so if you want a proper big Roundup of

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all the tech stories of the year and you didn't see that we released a Christmas special go see that but this is more of

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a casual situation Jessica how's it been had you tried to keep up with the tech

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news cycle in the way that you have had to this year before not like this no

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like there was always things I kept up with there's little trends that I would

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note um but if you want to know my previous experience following the news

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time line uh I learned about Bitcoin in

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early 2012 when huh that's interesting

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and didn't pay attention to it again until

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2019 there are there's always just been a lot of stuff that just passes Me by

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because I wasn't specifically interested um yeah I mean crypto that's fair

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honestly if if if people missed the whole crypto kind of hype and then crash

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uh it's like well to me it few years to me it started here and it ended here so

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and everything in between that like there there might have been an up there might have been a down to me it was a

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straight line yeah well okay it's not fair to say

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that sorry I just said a second ago that it was only a few years but really I

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mean you know crypto started way back you know early 2000 early 2010s or maybe

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before that anyways but the really started gaining hype around 2012 13 and

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stuff that then it kind of like laid dormant and then it spiked in the last

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few years and just in time for it to kind of fall out of favor I mean last

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year I was I rewatched some of our Christmas specials in preparation for

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this year's and one of the main stories last year was how crypto basically just

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fell off the map at the beginning of 2022 a bunch of companies were still

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doing stuff with it they announced Integrations with at a lot of gaming

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companies in particular and then by the end of the year they had all kind of

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canceled it yeah like I remember like wealth simple sending me an email like a

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year and a half ago about their crypto integration yeah well and it's still

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integrated in a lot of things I don't want to say that it's dead it's not it's

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absolutely not but in terms of its mainstream for the average person crypto

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was fast yeah yeah crypto was very fast

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it was a flash in the pan mhm um but it

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was replaced by AI which is like the

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hugest thing this year but way bigger hype before we get there how was it

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keeping up with everything you said that you kind of like were aware of some

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things before but like was there a break neck speed cuz I've been doing this for

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10 years so I I you I want to hear what

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it was like for you uh it was a lot of

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reading stuff and not knowing if it was important or

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not cuz sometimes you'd read something and you're like that sounds really

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important and then Riley would go yeah they always do that yeah this is

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actually the sixth time or I'd read something and I'm just like I don't that

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don't seem important at all and Riley would be like this is

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gamechanging and I'm like really yeah

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yeah I just a big part of the issue is not that I didn't understand what was

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happening but I did not have the right amount of context to understand what

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people considered important yeah it's always hard especially because

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especially when you're writing for w show and like with TechLink it's you

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we are preparing things and before you came on uh the the whole writing team

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kind of worked together on it but I was like curating the topics and now this is

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your burden and uh it is a struggle to kind of guess what lonus and Luke will

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particularly find interesting it is as opposed to what we think maybe the the

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the Broad tech audience on YouTube will find interesting I sometimes I feel like

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like I have a Ouija board or I have a crystal ball and I'm just going like I'm

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like okay well like this is objectively important but like I don't no we have

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like a little spreadsheet set up and like I I think I've gotten a lot better

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get it back from lus and I will be baffled by what returns to me I'm like

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you want to talk about that that's a main story to you yeah yeah okay because

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I I thought maybe I'd have to write three lines on that yeah we'll put

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something in there we be like this is the biggest news of the week you guys

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need to talk about this for half an hour he's like eh world changing he's like I

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want to talk about this Final Fantasy bug that's really annoying me but to

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your point a second ago about like having the context it is tough because

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we hired you and we hired Jacob uh close to a year ago yes and you guys have been

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you know getting on the team and becoming embedded in like gaining that

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kind of context that that I've had for a

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while and it's uh yeah it's it's it's a whole process admittedly I no longer

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find myself Googling what is Red Green

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Team yeah exactly question mark yeah but

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I want to say honestly that the differ between you and your like kind of

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ambient knowledge for some of this stuff the difference between you now and

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between you like when you started is is so vast like now I'll just talk about a

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tech thing and you'll just be like yeah you know oh I am a sponge I am a serious

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sponge uh that was kind of what James said to me when he hired me was like you

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obviously don't have the background but you're smart you'll figure it out I'm

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like what does that mean oh uh hold on a second I'm

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rethinking here things here yeah you didn't pick up on that okay I'm like

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that sounds ominous am I in danger don't

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worry you'll be fine swim yeah so I mean I do tend to have a

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pretty good grasp of Technology it's just that most of the technology I'm interested in was invented before

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everyone was current who's currently alive was born right because PRI prior

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to your job here you did write blog

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posts absolutely about and you did deep Dives on History topics yeah which

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involves technology a lot of time absolutely involves techn for sure which

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is I think why I mean I've loved your Techquickie scripts I think that you do

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a deep dive and you make them funny you're a you're a standup comedian in

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case anyone doesn't know I'm currently sitting but you know you just got to

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imagine me like two feet up that's the kind of jokes we're looking for you can

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look forward to I I cannot tell the kind of jokes

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that I tell on stage in this context Jacob wrote a sit stand joke into

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today's Tech link asang like they will not stand for that but if you want to

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sit for that see this just reminds me of the time when like you were like I heard

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you across the room like I was finishing up a joke for TechLink and I heard you

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all across the room telling Jacob off for having two jokes in one script that

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were about shoving objects in someone's butt as I was finishing a joke about

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shoving objects at people's butts I mean hey it's a funny place of

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the body you know like it's a it's inherently humorous I mean what you what

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are you supposed to do not make jokes about it um but all right and now it's

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so on that note yeah let's talk about our favorite tech stories this year uh

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for me it's it's definitely one of the biggest ones and one of my favorites is

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AI just because I've been doing my darnest this year to make some progress

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on a tech longer about it and it's been

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very very very difficult a long road to find the to find the time uh to do it

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but I've been like saving so many links it's it's crazy so uh yeah how do you

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feel about AI is it is it going to be the end of humanity is it going to be

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the bright optimistic future I think the

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truth is somewhere in between I know I know but of course you're that's why

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you're presenting the dichotomy there's been a lot of

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both Euphoria and H hyy about AI I think

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it's genuinely incredibly cool it really is it's incred incredibly cool but the

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danger is that there are people who think that in the same way as people

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thought about crypto exactly and I feel

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like a lot of people's reaction and this is I was talking earlier about grifters

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a lot of people's reaction to whatever is drawing the most attention in a media

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space is just to immediately just try to like pick it up

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like it's a piggy bank and try to shake money out of it yeah regard of why

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regardless of there's no real thought behind it and I feel like that's a lot

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of the current danger about AI like I'm not really worried about human

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extinction at this point I am worried

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about people throwing away people's jobs

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because they think they can replace them with what is essentially a an advanced

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auto correct well like I'm worried about people you know just filling like

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flooding the zone of conversation with like AI slurry and that causing

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like Downstream problems for basic communication yeah I mean that's the

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issue though is that you just compared like the risk of extension like you're

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not worried about that you're worried about the money thing and I think that

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unfortunately the the people trying to commercialize it is what could lead to

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the extension I mean we it's so interesting we're doing it to ourselves

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I'm not worried about the AI I'm worried about the people using it what's what's

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a tool is a Tool's a hammer is a hammer I mean yeah and and thankfully they're

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not at the level of like being actual autonomous agents right now they are

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just tools and it's it's unclear if they will ever get to the point where they

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could be described as like an autonomous agent in the in the way you think of

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like a Sci-Fi robot being like yeah we don't know if the H 9,000 thing is

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currently possible yeah I mean there are there are some things that that have

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been made we reported on auto GPT at some point in the middle of the Year

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where they could string along a few uh

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chat Bots that kind of like you give it an overarching goal and then it self-

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prompts itself along towards that goal but I think that and more recently it

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being able to create other smaller

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versions of itself that that was crazy that was a crazy recent story where like

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AI can give birth to other AIS yeah and

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then we put them in our shoes we'll link to the episode for that so you more

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context but yeah what's so what one of the most interesting things to me about

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the AI thing about the AI whole

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spectacle is the fact that open

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aai uh their whole mission statement from the beginning was to not be a

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commercial entity exactly they were like we're not going to go down the

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commercial route we're just going to do research science yeah and we're going to

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do research so that we can stop the bad

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commercial people who are going to screw up the world and then will be able to

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stop them they are the people who put

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this thing out into the like chat GPT was the impetus for all of this and it

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was open AI the company who said that they would protect the world but you

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know and you could make an argument that like okay AI is too powerful for one

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company to control so they had to get it out there so that people could like see

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what's happening and do stuff with it and all this all this uh stuff but open

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doing open source stuff there's a lot of good interesting stuff going in going on

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in the open source Community I mean mistol is is is pretty close to like

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it's behind claw which is just behind chat GPT but like I don't know that so

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like to your point about the the the conflict between those two drives there

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is that conflict but it's also so complicated because the the companies

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that are saying that're are here to protect us or the companies who are trying to commercialize it mhm so and

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Commercial interests they it's kind of like a Whirlpool like it has its own

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gravity it has its own momentum it sucks you towards it whether you like it or

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not whatever your original intentions were yeah let's talk about the sort of

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the details of of AI a little bit like how how long did it take you it

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took me a long time to wrap my head around the idea that this is like a

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neural network like do you let's let's

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let's get into the deep stuff do you think it'll ever be conscious I like to

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think that that's plausible like there's a part of me that finds that very

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compelling as an idea I think because of

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how important like sci-fi writers have been writing about the idea of

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autonomous agents like iroot like all of

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this these ideas this Grand cultural

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weight of the idea of like what if we could create life what if human beings

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could create a Consciousness that is analogous to ourselves right now to be

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clear I don't actually think it's that

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plausible that we will create something that is like human beings no I I don't

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think that's the cas I think I agree I think it's fundamentally different um

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it's not going to be like us yes it's not going to be analogist to us the

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thing is I would never feel comfortable saying no it will never happen right I

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think that is a fundamentally arrogant like intellectually

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dishonest position to take yeah you can say that it's unlikely honest you can

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say that it's nowhere near in the near future but not no yeah honestly I I

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not conscious it's just a whatever and then like I saw some stuff and I was

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like whoa that's this is actually pretty crazy and look at it structurally you're

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like this is structurally very very similar to the way that neurons work in

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the human brain but then it's like oh there's all these levels of complexities

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that you know it's like this is a computer it's not like a physical like

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neuron with a milein sheath and everything like there's so many complex

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interactions that we don't even understand the brain and now we're suddenly doing psychology on computers

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see that was exactly what I was thinking like just thinking just now it's just

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like we don't even understand why we're conscious yeah exactly we like that's an

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emergent property of our brains we like

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you cannot point to the the spot in the brain where Consciousness lives right

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you don't know we know where our personalities are it's right up front

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here we know where our sight is it's in the back we do not know why we have a

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sense of self exactly we may never we

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may never like we are trying to understand something that is exactly as

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complicated as our own brains with our own brains yeah yeah so in in terms of

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like I think I think the thing that was easiest for cuz like it was wild at

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first looking at some of this stuff I think the kinds of comparisons that

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helped me the most was like like it's

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it's using it this is a a very advanced form of pattern recognition oh yeah like

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that's what this thing is doing and like it kind of reminds me a lot of like the

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hallucinations and like odd behavior oh my gosh that like Sydney coming out it

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just it's just so obvious that we trained AI on like llms on the internet

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because it got just got so emotional it's just like we've created life and

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given it a personality disorder like

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immediately immediately I was trying to find the Articles from the the um the

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the the the Contemporary uh dis discussion of it uh uh I'm not sure what

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you mean by that the the articles that came out at the time yeah yeah yeah I

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was I was trying to find articles from the time when like people found out

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about Sydney the code name that like Bing chat had and I was trying to find

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the Articles where they or where Sydney came up with other personalities there

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were like multiple personas yeah somebody asked Sydney like who else is

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in there with you or whatever and they she she he it I don't know described all

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these different personalities and I'm like what that was wild that was in the

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early days very early days and part of the issue it reminds me of and by early

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days I mean like March March this has moved so fast it's wild fast it's just a

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whole new reality and part of the issue is it reminds me of the problem you get

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when you are like this is a problem with children trying to like discuss like

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crimes when they're witnesses to something because you can end up in this

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situation where the adult is just kind of like trying to get a specific answer

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out of the kid and like the kid just doesn't know what they want so just

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starts responding to what's getting a reaction yeah that's what I feel like a

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lot of the weird weirdest stuff that AI does comes out where it's just it's a

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mirror yeah it is feeding us back what

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we're responding to yeah I think a turning point for me thinking about Ai

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and what it means and how it works and stuff was when people started like there

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was the initial wave of hype and obviously you know I didn't get fully

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swept into all this I think like I keep kind of a more detached like skeptical

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stance on it but I have to follow the story as it's like developing so there

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were people who were like it's alive and then sometime after that uh um

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sentiments that got more prevalent where people saying this kind of thing where

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it's like the AI is saying crazy stuff

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because we're asking it to say crazy stuff we're like we're it's a mirror yes

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and so you know we are responding most to when it is craziest yeah yeah now I

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want to I would love for this whole thing to be about AI but we should

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probably mention some other stories that we uh enjoyed this year um I have so

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many but they're all very odd yeah well

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I mean those are the perfect ones I love the really odd ones um what's what

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what's an odd one I absolutely lost my mind when there was a proton Port of

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cheex quest do you mean that like it was hilarious to you that someone went out

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of their way to like ensure that the

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check's Quest had support for Bron yes the uh emulation layer between Linux and

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Windows games absolutely that was magical to me I love people's odd little

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projects yeah you did a whole segment in W recently yeah and it went over pretty

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well with the uh branded retr branded

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games yeah retro branded games I feel like there's a lot of culture and this

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is coming from me as someone who really loves history a lot of the cult like we

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get this idea that past cultures were far more serious than we are but the

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problem is it's a survivorship bias thing there's a lot of garbage that we

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just threw out because it was garbage

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but it's kind of magical when some of that stuff survives into the present and

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you get to get a glimps into like this is what we were making 20 years ago oh

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man yeah I I love adver games for that

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reason like really really old advertisements like I don't like modern

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ads at all but like really old quirky

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advertisements are hilarious to me that that's what that's one thing that's

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amazing about the internet is the fact that you can find that

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stuff and yeah sometimes when I'm

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researching a story I'll go and look for stuff that happened you know early 2000s

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or whatever and all the a lot of the time I mean some of it's being deleted

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there was a whole story about what was it CET started like like deleting their

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old articles off randomly deleting their old articles because for SEO reasons and

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like every SEO expert was like no don't do that yeah for the most part A lot of

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the old stuff is still there so you can go and do a Google Search and it it's

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like a weird experience going on a forum uh you know chat boards or

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whatever from like early 2000s and seeing how people wrote It's Like You

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Can Tell cultural differences it's like digging into the archives you know in

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like one of these movies where they do research or whatever I feel like I'm I

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feel like I'm in another world or it's like it's years ago you're just in there

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like Indiana Jones snooping on their little Forum posts trying to grab a an

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interesting snippet and then run away before well that's how I felt when I was

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digging through like I found a huge Archive of like like stuff that had

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never originally been on the internet it was uploaded in January 2002 and it was

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news articles from the earlys and and

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the late '90s wowow and I thought that stuff was amazing apparently Amazon was

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engaging in union busting so weird wild what a different

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time than today Microsoft was being investigated

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for antitrust oh man I got to say one of

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my favorite stories will technology kill us all it was very fun in early 2000s

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silly concerns they had at the time I got to say one of my favorite stories

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this year was uh you know okay I'll say

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it's my favorite it's one of my favorite stories but it's also one where I'm starting to kind of be like I don't know

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if this is a good thing all the antitrust uh action by governments

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obviously we had the epic games uh suit against Apple uh couple years ago and

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now Google this year that happened as well but like EU put a lot of their uh

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legislation into effect I Apple actually

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launched an iPhone with USBC this year

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uh they announced plans to allow side

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loading and other app stores I think that's I think they have to do that by

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next year I have to look it up but they'll be doing it at some point we got

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this whole beeper versus apple with the iMessage compatibility thing that's kind

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of opening up just now but the reason it makes me be like hm hold on a second is

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is the fact that like a lot of this is happening because of government

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regulation yes and I think that I think

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that I'm wary of a turning point in which we've been reporting on all this

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EU stuff happening we're like yeah get apple make apple open up their platform

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ET ET yeah and I'm worried that there's

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going to be a Tipping Point where the EU like their regulations start rubbing us

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the wrong way yeah well because keep going M and part of the problem is that

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like I think we've seen through a lot of our reporting or a lot of people's

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reporting is just like often Regulators

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don't understand technology ology very well mhm and off like this this is often

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we're very skeptical about like apple

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jumping on and support of like right to repair legislation me personally I find

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that very optimistic one it shows a turning point it shows that they see

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that as the winning team but also I do

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want Apple to actually be at that table

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I do want them to be at that table because they will know when it starts

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going too far will they I mean I you I don't know

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that's a hard thing but like it's it's one of those things where you can never

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really predict like at this moment you can never really predict at this moment

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what things are going to look like in 5 years what's going to go too far what's

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going to have these unintended consequences so what I would prefer is a

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balance between different powers MH like

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this kind of like shaky back and forth I

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feel is mostly a good thing it's like that Churchill quote you know it's the

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wor democracy is the worst possible form of government except all the other ones

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that have been yeah yeah like I I do want well hold on you're not taking a

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stance here I mean uh I'm just imagining

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comments that's all yeah my stance is

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that I would prefer no one to have

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complete sovereignity over me oh yeah

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and I feel like most people would agree with that regardless of like where they

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specifically fall hot take unless unless

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it's a you know hyper intelligence Supreme AI Overlord who knows what's

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best for you I for one welcome our new Sydney overlords Sydney I just I don't

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like anybody having too much power so I I would like a little bit of of back and

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forth one of the big things for me uh was um YouTube okay both uh the

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Crackdown on ad blockers and the early ier I feel like at this point mostly in

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the background um crackdowns on vulgarity

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yeah within and like there's always that uncomfortable relationship between

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advertisers like the people who are mostly financing these platforms and the

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basic reality that vulgarity is a normal part of human

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communication yeah yeah I mean that's how it is yeah that that was really

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interesting that whole uh changing their their uh terms and or not ter terms and

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conditions but their their guidelines their friendly guidelines um at the end

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of yeah at the end of 2022 but that story kind of like broke more uh like it

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happened in in November 2022 and then it broke more early this year and yeah that

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was only the start YouTube had a crazy year as you say they they're like

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fighting ad many ad blockers are broken

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although now many of them are working again but that war has gotten more

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intense than ever this year and they also added tests like that well actually

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1080p premium 10 1080p premium on

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YouTube is not a test anymore it's just a it's a thing they launched it I guess

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their test went okay people didn't really complain about it they said

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specifically that it's not degrading the non premium experience it's only that

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the premium people get better which I guess you have to take your word for it

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unless you do some crazy testing I haven't heard any complaints so maybe

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it's fine um shorts started getting

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Revenue this year they did uh what else oh there was one more the ads they

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started doing these experiments another test they were doing was that like

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frontloading like 10 ads in front of a video instead of like spacing it out

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people did not like that so they haven't launched that but yeah YouTube has changed a lot

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I think one thing that I want to I want to end on this um because I completely

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forgot about this until I started looking through the stories for the Christmas special do you remember the

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Chinese spy balloon yeah a while I was

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like what that was this year that was this year they forgot about it the world

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was going nuts for a second yeah we were we were losing our minds like they shot

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down one they shot yeah they shot it down they there was a couple oh yeah

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there was one that got shot down over Canada really yes oh yeah yeah like the

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the Canadian government had to give them permission to fly into our airspace in

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case you couldn't tell I haven't finished the techland Christmas special

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so we're like reacting to finding out about this stuff for the second time you

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know for the first time if that makes sense uh so this will be a a whole

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proper Roundup in the TechLink Christmas special which you probably have already

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seen maybe if if that came out on a Monday anyways it's also been a rough

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year for physical media oh yeah wait yeah what do you mean I forget oh the

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dropping of DVDs and CDs and various

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stores well best yeah they Best Buy announced plans to drop it next year yes

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uh and Netflix will no longer be sending DVDs in the mail oh no which is just

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devastating for me yeah I I actually was one of the

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original users of the the Netflix uh

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mailing system I remember that from way back wow no I never I never used that I

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heard about it I had OG Netflix wow

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where they sent it through the mail yeah I used Blockbuster right it up until it

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died I wasn't about to use that new fangled DVD mailing yeah well I always

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lived in the woods so and don't you live in the woods

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WS watch techlinked and GameLinked Etc

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that are going to keep happening that's the end of this episode because they're going to start the W show soon and we

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suddenly have to abruptly end uh will AI

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kill your kids yes jeez Louise honestly

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we're weighing the parents and kids thing right now but one of them's going

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to go yep and you're going to be forced to adopt AI robot children or parents so

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just you know make peace with that Robo grandma and and make peace with the fact

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that this episode is over that's outro transition number two uh subscribe to

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TechLink say bye-bye to Jessica okay

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subscribe and I'll see you on the next time

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Jess bye