{"video_id":"petB-pNCudc","title":"AMD Borrows Intel’s Business Plan – Ryzen 2 Review","channel":"Linus Tech Tips","show":"Linus Tech Tips","published_at":"2018-05-06T14:53:29Z","duration_s":458,"segments":[{"start_s":0.32,"end_s":6.56,"text":"over the last five years it seems like pretty much","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":3.919,"end_s":10.08,"text":"everyone has uh let's say noticed Intel's consumer","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":8.96,"end_s":16.96,"text":"divisions tick tick tick tick eventually talk","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":14.799,"end_s":22.24,"text":"approach to generational performance improvements including folks at AMD","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":20.96,"end_s":29.76,"text":"but then on the surface AMD seems to have pulled a page","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":27.119,"end_s":34.719,"text":"right out of Intel's playbook with their second generation AMD ryzen 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all of your internet traffic and uses a safe protected ip it's got tons of other useful features and you can check it out at the link below so what's the deal here is AMD replacing ryzen 3 ryzen 5 and ryzen 7 with ryzen 2. not quite while these are second generation the ryzen 7 2700x and the ryzen 5 2600x clocking in at 8 and 6 cores respectively are not technically zen two that's not going to come until later so what we're getting now are higher boost clocks with xfr applying to all cores and this one's pretty exciting up to a 34 improvement to cash latency with AMD claiming a theoretical three percent performance bump from that second point alone we're also getting up to dual channel ddr4 2933 support on the brand new x470 chipset motherboards which from even our early testing translates into much better compatibility with high-speed memory kits so all of this adds up to something that AMD is calling zen plus based on a tweaked 12 nanometer process that's been fined tuned to push rated clock speeds higher without increasing the rated power consumption now of course we're gonna have to test all these claims so while we wait for this to uh rise ah it's a yeast joke let's go over our test setup we'll be using both Intel's latest and AMD's previous gen consumer processors which ah it's done already go ahead and cut oh my god this joke is so i'm sorry that whole thing with the oven was just a lead into a joke about delicious rison crust why don't we just get into the benchmarks starting with our gaming stuff and yes more terrible puns how surprising ryzen's second gen is ever so slightly faster than ryzen first gen deus ex mankind divided barely cared far cry 5 actually got 5 to 7 more FPS and cs go actually this one was a standout very nice the differences though are less noticeable in 3d mark and unigine superposition putting second gen close enough that we technically observed higher numbers on our first gen chips and of course when it comes to gaming Intel still steals the show now let's move on to productivity here things take a more dramatic swing so our 2700x absolutely creams the last gen 1800 x and r testing with significantly higher scores in cinebench and ASUS real bench and shaving a cool 1 minute 11 seconds off the classroom render time in blender the 1800x already beat out the core i7 8700k in most of these so the gap then is that much wider this time around impressive and it looks like at least some of this is due to the improvements to cache latency with our testing in ida 64 showing a pretty significant improvement of around 25 with higher bandwidth and improved memory latency to boot of course what would a review of a new CPU be without overclocking results let's go to level three bam so our 2600x still didn't want to play ball with our pre-release firmware but our 2700x with the auto tweak feature gave us predictably better results although these gains are mainly limited to highly threaded workloads lightly threaded or gaming workloads understandably actually suffer slightly compared to the 100 megahertz faster stock xfr clocks power consumption is still higher than coffee lake but that's not really a surprise what is interesting is that under load our new chips are more power hungry we think because precision boosts 2 is keeping the CPU at higher speeds more often this also translates into higher temperatures which means we wouldn't really recommend doing a ton of overclocking with your stock cooler as cool as the new wraith max RGB coolers might be so then at 329 for the high-end ryzen 7 2700x and 229 for the six-core ryzen 5 2600x both of them 30 dollars more than their non-x counterparts AMD has managed to claw back a bit of the bang for the buck proposition that they enjoyed with ryzen's first generation release and perhaps more importantly even though this is a new CPU and chipset the obvious stability issues with high speed memory in particular that prevented us from making a clear recommendation last time around are gone so let's not kid ourselves this is every bit as incremental as Intel's move from sky lake to kaby lake and we are disappointed that it's not zen 2 yet but second generation ryzen is a bit more worth your money than last time which is a good thing you know what else is a good thing mass drop the concept is pretty simple to understand the more people who commit to purchasing a certain product the lower the price of that product goes and today we're talking about the akg k7xx configured by mass drop these are open-backed headphones with large cushy earcups that have been tweaked to deliver a wide locationally specific sound stage that puts you closer to the source they feature a genuine leather headband memory foam ear pads with velour covering a two-year warranty service by akg and they ship out in two to three days so check them out at the link below thanks for watching guys if you disliked you can hit that button but if you liked the video hit like get 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