WEBVTT 00:00:00.060 --> 00:00:05.759 high definition VHS tape you ever seen 00:00:03.360 --> 00:00:10.380 one of these me neither but for a short period of time in the early 2000s you 00:00:08.340 --> 00:00:17.580 could actually build out a high definition home theater using digital 00:00:13.040 --> 00:00:20.939 VHS or dvhs cassette tapes now it's only 00:00:17.580 --> 00:00:23.460 1080i rather than 1080p but come on this 00:00:20.939 --> 00:00:29.039 was too 2002 all right and besides that's still well over four times the 00:00:26.400 --> 00:00:34.320 resolution of regular VHS and over double DVD it's actually even on par 00:00:31.619 --> 00:00:40.559 with some early Blu-ray discs so we spent the last two years and over a 00:00:37.440 --> 00:00:43.440 thousand US Dollars going back in time 00:00:40.559 --> 00:00:49.260 to see what life would have been like if our dads had been both rich and geeky 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:54.480 enough to go D theater this was an adventure and a half guys did you know 00:00:51.360 --> 00:00:56.579 that some plasma TVs have firewire input 00:00:54.480 --> 00:01:00.300 well I sure didn't which is why we had to buy two of them when we bought the 00:00:58.199 --> 00:01:04.500 wrong one this whole thing was a nightmare honestly but we finally got 00:01:02.760 --> 00:01:09.420 everything working and we can tell you once and for all is it any good and why 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:13.979 did it fail oh and who's our sponsor origin PC origin PC is offering Black 00:01:12.479 --> 00:01:19.200 Friday deals on their award-winning systems get 500 off a Corsair Voyager 00:01:16.979 --> 00:01:22.860 origin Edition or an exclusive peripherals bundle when purchasing a 00:01:20.939 --> 00:01:27.479 custom desktop top using the link down below our first challenge was finding a 00:01:25.320 --> 00:01:31.380 movie that was available across every format we wanted to compare all of them 00:01:29.460 --> 00:01:35.579 having identical 2 hour and 26 minute runtimes the biggest difference between 00:01:33.479 --> 00:01:40.020 these versions of the hurricane starring Denzel Washington is of course the 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:42.900 resolution that they play back you like the hurricane right it's like your 00:01:41.340 --> 00:01:48.479 favorite movie of all time I have the biggest collection of the hurricane 00:01:44.340 --> 00:01:52.920 films other anyone I know yeah 00:01:48.479 --> 00:01:56.540 we've got VHS which outputs at 240i DVD 00:01:52.920 --> 00:02:00.479 which outputs at 480p widescreen 00:01:56.540 --> 00:02:02.820 dvhs which outputs at 1080i with Dolby 00:02:00.479 --> 00:02:09.119 Digital 5.1 surround and of course Blu-ray which does full HD 1080p I have 00:02:07.140 --> 00:02:14.700 to confess until this was brought up in a writer's meeting two years ago I had 00:02:11.340 --> 00:02:16.560 no idea that this format ever existed I 00:02:14.700 --> 00:02:21.660 didn't know it existed either but it's really impressive it'll do up to 28.2 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:27.840 megabit per second which is over double the bit rate of DVD and because it uses 00:02:24.959 --> 00:02:32.220 the exact same form factor as traditional VHS the players are actually 00:02:30.180 --> 00:02:39.420 backwards compatible so they can play both dvhs tapes and regular VHS tapes of 00:02:35.940 --> 00:02:41.580 course the tapes are not quite exactly 00:02:39.420 --> 00:02:44.700 the same Gothic yeah this thing looks pretty similar it's the back so it's 00:02:43.140 --> 00:02:48.180 just these tiny little holes aside from being like one is digital and one is 00:02:46.739 --> 00:02:52.739 analog that's pretty much the only difference right I guess that's probably 00:02:50.040 --> 00:02:56.580 worth explaining how you can put Digital Data onto a magnetic tape if you think 00:02:54.720 --> 00:03:01.920 about it it's not that different from how you can record data to a Spinning 00:02:59.220 --> 00:03:06.540 Disk in either an analog or digital format so a record is a spinning piece 00:03:04.440 --> 00:03:11.400 of plastic with little analog bumps in it while a CD still has the exact same 00:03:09.239 --> 00:03:15.959 bumps but they're digitally encoded data which makes it much more efficient and 00:03:13.019 --> 00:03:20.580 in fact tape is still very widely in use today in the data center which is real 00:03:18.060 --> 00:03:24.959 slow do you know if the film itself like the tape film is different it looks 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:30.000 thinner maybe yeah just pull it out right what's the worst that could happen 00:03:26.340 --> 00:03:31.920 in the dvhs tape there's more film it 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:35.940 might be thinner I don't know but there's definitely more tape in there 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:40.799 this is probably a nice VCR I would think this thing is like top of the line 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:45.959 for when it came out look at this remote iPod eat your heart out the original 00:03:43.799 --> 00:03:50.879 touch wheel this bad boy outputs a maximum 00:03:48.180 --> 00:03:56.879 resolution of 1080i features active Cooling and most importantly got the D 00:03:54.120 --> 00:04:02.099 theater logo that's very important that means it can play D theater tapes and in 00:03:59.519 --> 00:04:06.480 defeater mode it actually runs at high speed instead of standard play it's more 00:04:04.739 --> 00:04:12.120 data and it has to get through it faster to actually read it properly that's sick 00:04:09.900 --> 00:04:18.359 the most important thing though is that it has ilink firewire output we will 00:04:16.260 --> 00:04:26.100 explain more about that later first we need to talk about our TV it might be a 00:04:21.060 --> 00:04:29.100 flat panel but this 1280 by 768 plasma 00:04:26.100 --> 00:04:31.400 weighs over a hundred pounds and its 00:04:29.100 --> 00:04:38.160 notable features include it's gigantic 50 inch panel it's integrated carrying 00:04:35.280 --> 00:04:44.220 handles and its support for i-link firewire input again more on that later 00:04:40.740 --> 00:04:45.780 first we watch okay when I first set up 00:04:44.220 --> 00:04:51.000 dvhs and put it I was like oh this doesn't look that good but then I put 00:04:47.580 --> 00:04:53.820 the VHS in and oh my God I forgot how 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:58.740 bad it looks it's it's not great I mean I don't remember having a problem with 00:04:55.560 --> 00:05:01.199 it but then again I spent most of my VHS 00:04:58.740 --> 00:05:06.240 watching years watching on a screen that was literally 12 inches oh wow I had one 00:05:04.259 --> 00:05:11.170 of those little uh ones in my room that had the built-in vhr yeah exactly what 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:13.080 you're talking about wow this 00:05:13.080 --> 00:05:21.360 I thought you had to go farther back to find problematic elements of film 00:05:18.900 --> 00:05:26.460 technology yeah but people with dark skin in this movie they do not get 00:05:24.660 --> 00:05:31.800 captured properly no the contrast looks terrible even the color here it's all 00:05:28.259 --> 00:05:33.780 like just really washed out and Bland it 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:38.340 should be noted that this might not be properly representative of the 00:05:35.520 --> 00:05:43.440 experience of playing back this VHS tape when it was brand new the rated lifespan 00:05:41.280 --> 00:05:47.940 of a tape that's being stored correctly is 10 to 25 years assuming it made it 00:05:46.080 --> 00:05:51.960 the full 25 years we should be in good shape but it could have degraded in that 00:05:50.100 --> 00:05:55.440 time yeah but then when we paused and it's not moving you can see how bad like 00:05:53.820 --> 00:06:00.000 the stair stepping and stuff is on everything I can barely read that signed 00:05:57.780 --> 00:06:05.759 cash only but like I can understand what I'm watching oh yeah but there's a ton 00:06:02.220 --> 00:06:07.919 of detail that's just not here but is 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:12.240 present when we watch content on like a 4K Blu-ray or you know even just like a 00:06:10.620 --> 00:06:18.720 Netflix stream or something like that oh yeah it's time to go HD 00:06:16.139 --> 00:06:22.319 whoa whoa I link now let me check oh it's 00:06:20.580 --> 00:06:26.460 definitely an island ploof you can't tell no no 00:06:24.900 --> 00:06:31.080 I'm not sure it's not going over RCA just to just double it's not just to 00:06:29.100 --> 00:06:35.460 have a seat it's not wow it's pretty crazy huh the dynamic 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:42.960 range is like wild the contrast differences this would have made my eyes 00:06:38.460 --> 00:06:44.580 fall out of my sockets in 2002 right on 00:06:42.960 --> 00:06:48.660 a lot of these they even had something similar to a chapter select wow yeah 00:06:46.740 --> 00:06:51.840 with like a menu and everything so you could like Tecmo and showed it off in 00:06:50.400 --> 00:06:57.419 their video from like six years ago but I couldn't get it to work on this this 00:06:54.419 --> 00:06:59.160 so good I know I know there are problems 00:06:57.419 --> 00:07:05.460 though if I hit pause for example because it's moving at such a high speed 00:07:02.699 --> 00:07:09.539 but then play okay that play takes a second to kick back and the problem is 00:07:07.500 --> 00:07:13.860 it's still counting up give it a sec it'll go 00:07:11.039 --> 00:07:18.380 okay but see we're completely gone from that one scene so pausing and playing 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:23.340 was not but look how clear that text was tilting past it I know the only thing 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:26.819 that really tripped me up when watching this was the amount of film grain you 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:32.099 can see yeah well that's the thing any HD movie back then was shot on film 00:07:29.220 --> 00:07:36.539 right it's not like we had Red digital cinema cameras okay my family didn't 00:07:34.380 --> 00:07:41.580 have money right so like in the in the early 2000s I didn't even know anybody 00:07:39.060 --> 00:07:50.400 who had a TV like no we were stoked to get flat screen CRTs you know not uh 00:07:46.020 --> 00:07:53.160 oh a little spicy if you told me that 00:07:50.400 --> 00:07:58.080 this was just a modern setup not HDR sure like obviously I can tell it's not 00:07:54.780 --> 00:08:00.660 HDR I'd be like okay yeah for a short 00:07:58.080 --> 00:08:05.220 period there plasma TVs were super in demand when you get anything with good 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:09.360 blacks oh yeah now I haven't seen a DVD in a while it actually looks a lot 00:08:07.139 --> 00:08:13.680 better than I expected and that's when I originally discovered that this was not 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:18.360 1080i that this was 720. I can already tell this is a noticeably softer image 00:08:16.080 --> 00:08:21.960 it does look worse yeah it looks way worse it looks way better than VHS 00:08:20.220 --> 00:08:27.259 that's the thing you don't get that obvious stair stepping all over the 00:08:25.020 --> 00:08:33.180 image I don't think it looks way everything from the top of his hair to 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:39.120 the bottom of the frame is completely crushed you entirely lose the detail in 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:43.919 his face he might be acting but we have no idea because the color depth is not 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:47.399 good enough and the contrast is not good enough that's what double the bit rate 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:51.600 gets you it's not all about resolution and you see the blocking in the sky as 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:55.440 well okay pause is not fair but let's put it in motion sure it's not as not as 00:08:54.120 --> 00:09:01.019 bad in motion but that contrast that dynamic range 00:08:57.779 --> 00:09:03.300 yeah it sucks that's pretty terrible any 00:09:01.019 --> 00:09:10.740 surface with texture oh yeah it disappears a blocky smeary yes it's a 00:09:06.660 --> 00:09:13.260 blur going from VHS to DVD was already 00:09:10.740 --> 00:09:16.560 such a step up for people for the additional cost 00:09:14.640 --> 00:09:21.060 of the theater you had already bought a DVD player to 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:27.240 get 480p you want to Shell out even more to get a d theater player to go back to 00:09:23.760 --> 00:09:29.399 VHS back when dvhs first came out before 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:34.019 D theater The Players actually started at around 2 000 US dollars we'll put in 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:38.760 the Blu-ray on the same player we got our fancy Panasonic yeah this is the one 00:09:36.420 --> 00:09:41.580 we used for 4K Blu-ray yeah so this is better 00:09:39.959 --> 00:09:47.339 know that this looks better than the dvhs it might not be as good of a master 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:48.899 there is so much film grain totally I 00:09:47.339 --> 00:09:53.279 don't know if it looks better at all no no I don't think it does no then the DVD 00:09:50.940 --> 00:09:57.360 yeah then the VHS yeah but then the dvhs no maybe if we had more degradation on 00:09:55.620 --> 00:10:01.200 our dvhs we'd think that it looks better but I mean the reality is not a lot of 00:09:59.160 --> 00:10:08.100 people were buying those so we don't have to rewind anything yeah 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:11.580 fast forward chapter select scene skipping in general can just happen we 00:10:10.260 --> 00:10:16.380 don't have to sit there and wait for it to go actually read the text in the book 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:17.899 yeah oh look how blown out the whole Sky 00:10:16.380 --> 00:10:23.700 oh god let's go back to D theater for a sec I 00:10:21.060 --> 00:10:29.700 don't know which Master copy of this film was used to create the Blu-ray but 00:10:26.940 --> 00:10:34.860 whatever it was actually could have also degraded perhaps even to a greater 00:10:31.980 --> 00:10:41.519 degree than our d-theater tape it is possible for a superior format of the 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:44.940 movie like a Blu-ray to look worse in 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:46.740 some ways than an inferior format of the 00:10:44.940 --> 00:10:50.519 same movie Sometimes when they're upscaling an older film they'll actually 00:10:48.660 --> 00:10:57.300 process it in a way that film enthusiasts feel degrades The Experience 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:59.220 rewind one thing I like is that there's 00:10:57.300 --> 00:11:04.320 no rewind lines so it's going let me grab this Frame let me grab this Frame 00:11:01.019 --> 00:11:06.540 rather than let me read this stream that 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:10.880 is coming past me see this is too far back I think oh listen to this thing go 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:18.959 wow she rips oh absolutely you can totally read the 00:11:17.100 --> 00:11:21.839 text on the book yeah a little sharper on the Blu-ray I think I like this grade 00:11:20.880 --> 00:11:28.800 better I think so too I think the color pops more look how much more detail you can 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:33.839 see in his face and on that jacket this is the best copy of the hurricane 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:37.860 what the did you see how much better he looked even even when the 00:11:35.880 --> 00:11:43.200 books uh right there fall down off the forklift or whatever they're so vibrant 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:46.800 all of them again it's not HDR but this 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:49.079 is a really good SDR grade see even 00:11:46.800 --> 00:11:53.640 though he's supposed to be naturally lit so you have that that that that shadow 00:11:51.540 --> 00:11:57.779 cast on the side of his face you can see the detail you can see his expression 00:11:55.260 --> 00:12:03.660 you can see the actors acting this is actually a better movie you are 00:12:01.380 --> 00:12:07.920 capturing more of what's happening this is a big difference this is not the 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:11.459 result I was expecting to really you thought you were gonna like crap all 00:12:09.540 --> 00:12:16.440 over dvhs no I thought the Blu-ray would be obviously better though 00:12:13.339 --> 00:12:19.760 mastering matters more than resolution 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:19.760 at a certain point 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:28.740 I feel the same rage that I've read on 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:34.620 Forum post so many times over the years when a new grade a new master of a movie 00:12:32.339 --> 00:12:41.279 comes out like a treasured movie and it's like why so what end you 00:12:38.220 --> 00:12:44.639 already had a good one I want a dvhs 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:47.700 collection now oh my God the first dvhs 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:49.860 player we bought which cost us over 350 00:12:47.700 --> 00:12:55.079 dollars two years ago when we first started down this Rabbit Hole has a big 00:12:52.079 --> 00:12:59.639 problem while it does support recording 00:12:55.079 --> 00:13:03.060 and Playback of HDD VHS tapes and it can 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:06.180 output over firewire it cannot play back 00:13:03.060 --> 00:13:09.240 D theater tapes and this is for good 00:13:06.180 --> 00:13:10.920 reason remember guys this was 20 years 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:16.680 ago which means that Technologies we take for granted today didn't exist yet 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:21.180 like HDMI and like it or not one of 00:13:16.680 --> 00:13:23.579 HDMI's biggest Innovations was hdcp the 00:13:21.180 --> 00:13:28.019 copy protect action encryption that convinced major film studios to release 00:13:25.740 --> 00:13:33.060 their content for home viewing I know I know hdcp ain't exactly a popular 00:13:30.540 --> 00:13:38.940 technology but let me explain old school analog interfaces like component video 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:40.920 could absolutely carry an HD signal the 00:13:38.940 --> 00:13:45.899 issue was that there was no way to prevent people from capturing that 00:13:43.019 --> 00:13:51.899 signal and recording it to their own tapes and for this reason recording and 00:13:49.139 --> 00:13:57.000 sharing bootleg VHS tapes was extremely common back in the 90s great for 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:58.860 consumers bad for movie studios having 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:03.060 gone through that experience the film industry resolved to never repeat it 00:14:01.079 --> 00:14:09.120 they had failed in their attempts to Outlaw media copying devices so far but 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:14.399 they had some other ideas they believed that even if people could watch standard 00:14:12.060 --> 00:14:19.560 deaf bootleg movies on their couch for next to free they could use Innovations 00:14:17.160 --> 00:14:24.120 like high definition picture and surround sound to motivate viewers to go 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:28.260 to the movie theater instead which is of course where they got the majority of 00:14:25.620 --> 00:14:32.880 their revenue when early generation dvhs players rolled out in 1998 they could be 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:37.980 used for recording and playing back TV broadcasts in high definition and they 00:14:35.220 --> 00:14:43.260 could be used for watching movies but only standard VHS movies were supported 00:14:40.680 --> 00:14:49.260 because the major film studios refused to release their films on dvhs I can 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:54.480 only imagine how frustrating that must have been for enthusiasts at the time 00:14:51.300 --> 00:14:56.100 okay which raises some questions what on 00:14:54.480 --> 00:15:01.079 Earth were people doing with these things 00:14:57.839 --> 00:15:03.600 we've got some idea there was a VHS tape 00:15:01.079 --> 00:15:07.320 actually inside this player when we bought it let's take a look shall we 00:15:05.160 --> 00:15:11.519 this looks good though looks really good the quality is impressive something to 00:15:09.540 --> 00:15:15.420 note is that even though HD broadcasts were not particularly common in the us 00:15:13.380 --> 00:15:20.399 at the time that doesn't mean that there was no use for these things in other 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:23.100 regions particularly in Japan they were 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:27.740 wait what is this it's the Victoria's Secret catalog from 2008 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:31.980 oh what were people doing with this 00:15:29.959 --> 00:15:36.000 regarding whatever they could and not the highest definition possible 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:40.199 recording softcore porn on cable wasn't the only use for it though there were a 00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:43.380 lot of HD broadcasts back then so one guy would actually follow a local 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:46.920 station that would do IMax releases they'd broadcast them he'd record them 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:51.839 on his dbhs flare and then play them back corrected for inflation early dvhs 00:15:49.199 --> 00:15:55.680 players cost over 2 000 today dollars the only people buying into this 00:15:53.699 --> 00:15:59.699 ecosystem were obviously willing to go to Great Lengths to get the most out of 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:03.060 their home theater setup here's the label for that tape by the way you can 00:16:01.380 --> 00:16:09.060 have it back if you want I I really don't need it d-theater uses the same 00:16:05.699 --> 00:16:11.720 media as dvhs but this time with support 00:16:09.060 --> 00:16:17.579 for encryption and that's to appease the anti-copying film industry Executives 00:16:14.040 --> 00:16:22.380 that is why it uses the super unusual 00:16:17.579 --> 00:16:25.560 IEEE 1394 or firewire connector our dvhs 00:16:22.380 --> 00:16:29.220 player came out before HDMI and HTTP so 00:16:25.560 --> 00:16:32.040 the only option is to help put SD so 00:16:29.220 --> 00:16:36.600 standard definition or to Output HD over that encrypted firewire output and you 00:16:34.860 --> 00:16:43.199 might think well no problem you could just convert that to HDMI right but you 00:16:40.740 --> 00:16:48.180 can't because only about 90 films ever made it to D theater the last was iRobot 00:16:45.899 --> 00:16:52.320 released in 2004 there's been very little demand for products that can 00:16:49.980 --> 00:16:56.820 convert these weird firewire boxes to Modern standards and while there are 00:16:54.120 --> 00:17:00.959 firewire capture cards again due to the obscurity of the tech I'm not aware of 00:16:58.980 --> 00:17:05.040 any that can defeat the encryption that was used by d-theater there are 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:10.439 apparently d-theater players that do support HDMI but by the time those came 00:17:07.140 --> 00:17:12.240 out dvhs was on its way out the door so 00:17:10.439 --> 00:17:16.439 I suspect that the owners of those units are probably holding on to them until 00:17:14.100 --> 00:17:21.720 The Bitter End and who can blame them especially knowing what we know now 00:17:18.419 --> 00:17:24.299 about how good the theater releases were 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:30.120 so with that in mind why did it fail first of all the movie execs got one big 00:17:27.360 --> 00:17:35.220 big thing wrong people didn't care about high definition nearly as much as they 00:17:32.940 --> 00:17:41.160 thought certainly not enough to overcome the cost space durability and 00:17:38.460 --> 00:17:45.419 convenience advantages that DVD had over D theater would you rather have a 00:17:43.080 --> 00:17:49.080 slightly sharper picture or a movie you don't have to rewind factoring in that 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:53.940 this one has a player that costs over a thousand dollars another major problem 00:17:50.820 --> 00:17:55.740 for d-theater is that HD DVD and Blu-ray 00:17:53.940 --> 00:18:01.140 the ultimate winner of the high def format were were just around the corner 00:17:58.380 --> 00:18:05.940 promising even more better image quality with all the same advantages of DVD and 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:08.880 then when Sony aggressively pushed Blu-ray to 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