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high definition VHS tape you ever seen

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one of these me neither but for a short period of time in the early 2000s you

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could actually build out a high definition home theater using digital

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VHS or dvhs cassette tapes now it's only

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1080i rather than 1080p but come on this

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was too 2002 all right and besides that's still well over four times the

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resolution of regular VHS and over double DVD it's actually even on par

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with some early Blu-ray discs so we spent the last two years and over a

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thousand US Dollars going back in time

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to see what life would have been like if our dads had been both rich and geeky

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enough to go D theater this was an adventure and a half guys did you know

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that some plasma TVs have firewire input

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well I sure didn't which is why we had to buy two of them when we bought the

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wrong one this whole thing was a nightmare honestly but we finally got

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everything working and we can tell you once and for all is it any good and why

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did it fail oh and who's our sponsor origin PC origin PC is offering Black

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custom desktop top using the link down below our first challenge was finding a

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movie that was available across every format we wanted to compare all of them

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having identical 2 hour and 26 minute runtimes the biggest difference between

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these versions of the hurricane starring Denzel Washington is of course the

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resolution that they play back you like the hurricane right it's like your

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favorite movie of all time I have the biggest collection of the hurricane

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films other anyone I know yeah

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we've got VHS which outputs at 240i DVD

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which outputs at 480p widescreen

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dvhs which outputs at 1080i with Dolby

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Digital 5.1 surround and of course Blu-ray which does full HD 1080p I have

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to confess until this was brought up in a writer's meeting two years ago I had

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no idea that this format ever existed I

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didn't know it existed either but it's really impressive it'll do up to 28.2

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megabit per second which is over double the bit rate of DVD and because it uses

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the exact same form factor as traditional VHS the players are actually

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backwards compatible so they can play both dvhs tapes and regular VHS tapes of

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course the tapes are not quite exactly

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the same Gothic yeah this thing looks pretty similar it's the back so it's

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just these tiny little holes aside from being like one is digital and one is

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analog that's pretty much the only difference right I guess that's probably

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worth explaining how you can put Digital Data onto a magnetic tape if you think

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about it it's not that different from how you can record data to a Spinning

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of plastic with little analog bumps in it while a CD still has the exact same

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bumps but they're digitally encoded data which makes it much more efficient and

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in fact tape is still very widely in use today in the data center which is real

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slow do you know if the film itself like the tape film is different it looks

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thinner maybe yeah just pull it out right what's the worst that could happen

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in the dvhs tape there's more film it

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might be thinner I don't know but there's definitely more tape in there

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this is probably a nice VCR I would think this thing is like top of the line

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for when it came out look at this remote iPod eat your heart out the original

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touch wheel this bad boy outputs a maximum

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resolution of 1080i features active Cooling and most importantly got the D

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theater logo that's very important that means it can play D theater tapes and in

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defeater mode it actually runs at high speed instead of standard play it's more

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data and it has to get through it faster to actually read it properly that's sick

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the most important thing though is that it has ilink firewire output we will

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explain more about that later first we need to talk about our TV it might be a

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flat panel but this 1280 by 768 plasma

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weighs over a hundred pounds and its

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notable features include it's gigantic 50 inch panel it's integrated carrying

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handles and its support for i-link firewire input again more on that later

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first we watch okay when I first set up

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dvhs and put it I was like oh this doesn't look that good but then I put

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the VHS in and oh my God I forgot how

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bad it looks it's it's not great I mean I don't remember having a problem with

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it but then again I spent most of my VHS

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watching years watching on a screen that was literally 12 inches oh wow I had one

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of those little uh ones in my room that had the built-in vhr yeah exactly what

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you're talking about wow this

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I thought you had to go farther back to find problematic elements of film

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technology yeah but people with dark skin in this movie they do not get

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captured properly no the contrast looks terrible even the color here it's all

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like just really washed out and Bland it

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should be noted that this might not be properly representative of the

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experience of playing back this VHS tape when it was brand new the rated lifespan

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of a tape that's being stored correctly is 10 to 25 years assuming it made it

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the full 25 years we should be in good shape but it could have degraded in that

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time yeah but then when we paused and it's not moving you can see how bad like

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the stair stepping and stuff is on everything I can barely read that signed

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cash only but like I can understand what I'm watching oh yeah but there's a ton

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of detail that's just not here but is

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present when we watch content on like a 4K Blu-ray or you know even just like a

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Netflix stream or something like that oh yeah it's time to go HD

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whoa whoa I link now let me check oh it's

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definitely an island ploof you can't tell no no

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I'm not sure it's not going over RCA just to just double it's not just to

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have a seat it's not wow it's pretty crazy huh the dynamic

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range is like wild the contrast differences this would have made my eyes

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fall out of my sockets in 2002 right on

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a lot of these they even had something similar to a chapter select wow yeah

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with like a menu and everything so you could like Tecmo and showed it off in

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their video from like six years ago but I couldn't get it to work on this this

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so good I know I know there are problems

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though if I hit pause for example because it's moving at such a high speed

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but then play okay that play takes a second to kick back and the problem is

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it's still counting up give it a sec it'll go

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okay but see we're completely gone from that one scene so pausing and playing

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was not but look how clear that text was tilting past it I know the only thing

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that really tripped me up when watching this was the amount of film grain you

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can see yeah well that's the thing any HD movie back then was shot on film

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right it's not like we had Red digital cinema cameras okay my family didn't

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have money right so like in the in the early 2000s I didn't even know anybody

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who had a TV like no we were stoked to get flat screen CRTs you know not uh

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oh a little spicy if you told me that

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this was just a modern setup not HDR sure like obviously I can tell it's not

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HDR I'd be like okay yeah for a short

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period there plasma TVs were super in demand when you get anything with good

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blacks oh yeah now I haven't seen a DVD in a while it actually looks a lot

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better than I expected and that's when I originally discovered that this was not

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1080i that this was 720. I can already tell this is a noticeably softer image

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it does look worse yeah it looks way worse it looks way better than VHS

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that's the thing you don't get that obvious stair stepping all over the

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image I don't think it looks way everything from the top of his hair to

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the bottom of the frame is completely crushed you entirely lose the detail in

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his face he might be acting but we have no idea because the color depth is not

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good enough and the contrast is not good enough that's what double the bit rate

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gets you it's not all about resolution and you see the blocking in the sky as

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well okay pause is not fair but let's put it in motion sure it's not as not as

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bad in motion but that contrast that dynamic range

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yeah it sucks that's pretty terrible any

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surface with texture oh yeah it disappears a blocky smeary yes it's a

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blur going from VHS to DVD was already

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such a step up for people for the additional cost

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of the theater you had already bought a DVD player to

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get 480p you want to Shell out even more to get a d theater player to go back to

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VHS back when dvhs first came out before

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D theater The Players actually started at around 2 000 US dollars we'll put in

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the Blu-ray on the same player we got our fancy Panasonic yeah this is the one

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we used for 4K Blu-ray yeah so this is better

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know that this looks better than the dvhs it might not be as good of a master

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there is so much film grain totally I

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don't know if it looks better at all no no I don't think it does no then the DVD

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yeah then the VHS yeah but then the dvhs no maybe if we had more degradation on

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our dvhs we'd think that it looks better but I mean the reality is not a lot of

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people were buying those so we don't have to rewind anything yeah

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fast forward chapter select scene skipping in general can just happen we

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don't have to sit there and wait for it to go actually read the text in the book

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yeah oh look how blown out the whole Sky

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oh god let's go back to D theater for a sec I

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don't know which Master copy of this film was used to create the Blu-ray but

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whatever it was actually could have also degraded perhaps even to a greater

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degree than our d-theater tape it is possible for a superior format of the

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movie like a Blu-ray to look worse in

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some ways than an inferior format of the

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same movie Sometimes when they're upscaling an older film they'll actually

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process it in a way that film enthusiasts feel degrades The Experience

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rewind one thing I like is that there's

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no rewind lines so it's going let me grab this Frame let me grab this Frame

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rather than let me read this stream that

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is coming past me see this is too far back I think oh listen to this thing go

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wow she rips oh absolutely you can totally read the

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text on the book yeah a little sharper on the Blu-ray I think I like this grade

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better I think so too I think the color pops more look how much more detail you can

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see in his face and on that jacket this is the best copy of the hurricane

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what the did you see how much better he looked even even when the

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books uh right there fall down off the forklift or whatever they're so vibrant

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all of them again it's not HDR but this

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is a really good SDR grade see even

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though he's supposed to be naturally lit so you have that that that that shadow

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cast on the side of his face you can see the detail you can see his expression

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you can see the actors acting this is actually a better movie you are

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capturing more of what's happening this is a big difference this is not the

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result I was expecting to really you thought you were gonna like crap all

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over dvhs no I thought the Blu-ray would be obviously better though

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mastering matters more than resolution

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at a certain point

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I feel the same rage that I've read on

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Forum post so many times over the years when a new grade a new master of a movie

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comes out like a treasured movie and it's like why so what end you

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already had a good one I want a dvhs

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collection now oh my God the first dvhs

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player we bought which cost us over 350

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dollars two years ago when we first started down this Rabbit Hole has a big

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problem while it does support recording

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and Playback of HDD VHS tapes and it can

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output over firewire it cannot play back

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D theater tapes and this is for good

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reason remember guys this was 20 years

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ago which means that Technologies we take for granted today didn't exist yet

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like HDMI and like it or not one of

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HDMI's biggest Innovations was hdcp the

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copy protect action encryption that convinced major film studios to release

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their content for home viewing I know I know hdcp ain't exactly a popular

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technology but let me explain old school analog interfaces like component video

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could absolutely carry an HD signal the

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issue was that there was no way to prevent people from capturing that

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signal and recording it to their own tapes and for this reason recording and

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sharing bootleg VHS tapes was extremely common back in the 90s great for

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consumers bad for movie studios having

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gone through that experience the film industry resolved to never repeat it

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they had failed in their attempts to Outlaw media copying devices so far but

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they had some other ideas they believed that even if people could watch standard

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deaf bootleg movies on their couch for next to free they could use Innovations

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like high definition picture and surround sound to motivate viewers to go

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to the movie theater instead which is of course where they got the majority of

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their revenue when early generation dvhs players rolled out in 1998 they could be

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used for recording and playing back TV broadcasts in high definition and they

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could be used for watching movies but only standard VHS movies were supported

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because the major film studios refused to release their films on dvhs I can

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only imagine how frustrating that must have been for enthusiasts at the time

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okay which raises some questions what on

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Earth were people doing with these things

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we've got some idea there was a VHS tape

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actually inside this player when we bought it let's take a look shall we

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this looks good though looks really good the quality is impressive something to

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note is that even though HD broadcasts were not particularly common in the us

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at the time that doesn't mean that there was no use for these things in other

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regions particularly in Japan they were

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wait what is this it's the Victoria's Secret catalog from 2008

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oh what were people doing with this

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regarding whatever they could and not the highest definition possible

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recording softcore porn on cable wasn't the only use for it though there were a

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lot of HD broadcasts back then so one guy would actually follow a local

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station that would do IMax releases they'd broadcast them he'd record them

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on his dbhs flare and then play them back corrected for inflation early dvhs

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players cost over 2 000 today dollars the only people buying into this

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ecosystem were obviously willing to go to Great Lengths to get the most out of

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their home theater setup here's the label for that tape by the way you can

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have it back if you want I I really don't need it d-theater uses the same

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media as dvhs but this time with support

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for encryption and that's to appease the anti-copying film industry Executives

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that is why it uses the super unusual

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IEEE 1394 or firewire connector our dvhs

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player came out before HDMI and HTTP so

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the only option is to help put SD so

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standard definition or to Output HD over that encrypted firewire output and you

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might think well no problem you could just convert that to HDMI right but you

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can't because only about 90 films ever made it to D theater the last was iRobot

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released in 2004 there's been very little demand for products that can

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convert these weird firewire boxes to Modern standards and while there are

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firewire capture cards again due to the obscurity of the tech I'm not aware of

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any that can defeat the encryption that was used by d-theater there are

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apparently d-theater players that do support HDMI but by the time those came

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out dvhs was on its way out the door so

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I suspect that the owners of those units are probably holding on to them until

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The Bitter End and who can blame them especially knowing what we know now

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about how good the theater releases were

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so with that in mind why did it fail first of all the movie execs got one big

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big thing wrong people didn't care about high definition nearly as much as they

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thought certainly not enough to overcome the cost space durability and

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convenience advantages that DVD had over D theater would you rather have a

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slightly sharper picture or a movie you don't have to rewind factoring in that

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this one has a player that costs over a thousand dollars another major problem

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for d-theater is that HD DVD and Blu-ray

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the ultimate winner of the high def format were were just around the corner

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promising even more better image quality with all the same advantages of DVD and

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then when Sony aggressively pushed Blu-ray to dominance by including

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playback capabilities with the PlayStation 3 in 2006 nothing else ever

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