the electronics liquid propulsion
package really what a letdown i am so
disappointed right now over the years we've seen tons of finished products
with obvious oversights
and a couple of months ago we had one such product arrive the electronics
liquid propulsion package it was promising but there were a ton of small
problems that needed fixing and apparently they have all been fixed
which raises a few questions one should we give them another chance yeah
two should they have saved themselves some trouble by just sending us the
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electronics doesn't want me to take it apart until after i've tested it well
did you already test it alex do i have to worry about that one two three hup
geez what is all this stuff okay we got the lpp g1 that's our liquid propulsion
package they sent over some peripherals i actually like their little
warranty card thing they say hey warranty is only in the u.s which does
suck but they also clearly explain why because they don't have the parts and
the facilities available to service them elsewhere so like you're gonna have to
ship it back to the us if it comes to that okay fair enough the star of the show is of course the liquid propulsion
package an external water cooling unit that is designed here we go to make the
electronics prometheus 17 faster quieter
and cooler i said have to open it what well i can open this
no they said not until you've done the testing oh okay the problem is that last
time around they did manage to make it both cooler and faster but it actually
came at the expense of both noise
and ease of use the pump and fan were
super loud in here and these fittings at the back
would just leak when you unplugged the external
liquid cooling system did you ever see that clip david no they might still do
that oh they might still oh my god i thought you said they fixed stuff they
fixed stuff but i don't know if they fixed all of it i admire but i don't
envy the small one-person band content creators out there
it's like hey is all my pre-testing done yup yes love my team not just alex he's
just the closest one right now i'm physically closer than him that's true
actually david i'm i'm pretty sure i gave you some love earlier today though
alex contributes nearly nothing to our production values no offense alex what
wow i do sometimes i mean jankiness is sort
of a production value that's not fair
the sickness of this laptop was kind of
undermined a little bit last time by the cludgy cooling solution that didn't work
very well it's really cool our power goes into the
external cooler and then there's a pass through
to the back of the laptop that way both devices are powered off of a single wall
outlet that wasn't on the last one yeah see it looks like a little like
replacement plastic doodad but it doesn't have any screw holes so i have
no idea what it's supposed to do and you told me i'm not allowed to open
it but look how tempting this is shouldn't i open it he wants to open it
yeah this is way better the fill part at the top on the old unit was so loose and
it just had a hole so if you accidentally knock this thing over your cat knocks this over boom puddle of
water digi laptop gg external cooler
you're done yeah look at that just like that okay
quick release fittings and then it pops off like that one of our big problems on
the last one was that the water left in the laptop would just leak out i hope
they fixed that but quite frankly i do not see any mechanism to address it
did they give us any way to like add the water
yeah they gave us this funnel oh wow
that's almost worse than that syringe they had last time yeah if
i don't leak any of this it will be a christmas should you move it further
from electronics well that was actually pretty good
oh i just squirted into it it seems to be
in standby you see this david how it's kind of flashing like that yep because
core temperatures are like 40 degrees i would not expect that with liquid hello
oh you're spilling spilling oh okay oh oh it's gooping out the front okay
well that was an issue we had last time too wasn't it that it was possible to like overfill it no there's a little
indicator on the front oh electronics really doesn't seem to be able to figure
out which way is the front and which way is the back on this thing you got the
tubes coming out the front this is where the visual fill indicator is this is
where the power button is but then this goes into the back of the laptop
like it's supposed to sit way back here who has a desk that deep like i would want it kind of here okay liquid
propulsion package control inject liquid
don't use tap water yep okay also do not use cryofuel apparently some of the
plastics in there will embriddle and break if you do that so don't
wait a minute the second i paired via bluetooth
it got silent either it's way better or it's way worse
oh here we go quiet please i said shh
these are cute it's quieter than it was last time
it's not quiet did they tell us it was going to be
quiet yeah maybe i'll give it a little
you know let's see if the led control works this
time i wouldn't describe it as the world's brightest led
it's very dim these menus are hilarious
your path you must decide overclocking may cause system
instability please adjust parameters carefully
your path you must decide for the processor we're just going to
drag it to 140 right yeah why not and then for our core and memory clock
offsets for the GPU they actually provide look at that little guidance so
let's tell you yeah you can do about 150 and a thousand megahertz it's still a
little on the loud side but it is definitely better than last time we're
sitting here at like 20 CPU load 30 CPU
load launching programs core temperature
is like 35 to 45 degrees love to see
that remember this is a 3080 ti and it's
sitting at 32 degrees at idle well 380ti
mobile it's limited in terms of its TDP and it
simply cannot be unlocked so you got 14 cores up to 64 gigs of memory rtx 3080
ti mobile and like look at it obviously that
hardware is not gonna run to its full potential when you don't have the
external liquid cooling hooked up like look how freaking thin this thing is but
man having the option to have most of that performance on air when you're on
the go and all of it when you hook up the external water cooling unit that is
a lot of time spy extreme frames per second i mean if you told me a laptop is
going to run the 4k extreme preset even just a few years ago like this
yeah now do you want to know something kind of funny sure i like funny we
recently had a sponsor project that fell through
that had the same specs as this laptop because it was too slow and we were like
that's embarrassing we're not going to name and chain because that would be rude but it did have fairly similar
performance to this out of the box just on air cooling and it was pretty similar
in size it had slightly worse performance and it was slightly thinner
okay and we rejected the sponsorship just because we thought it was stupid that
the specs were so high and it was so expensive but the real world performance
was so low yes but this allows you to you know have a laptop that's like this
with this kind of hardware and it's not stupid right i mean it's a
little stupid it's a little stupid but it's not exactly the same performance as
a 30 70 ti or in many cases oh i see
what i'm looking at here this thing had a 3080 ti and a 12 900 h
and it was getting beat or tied by an r9
6900 hs and a 37 ti yeah that's
embarrassing it is yeah i feel like even though we've made this video already
where we talked about how laptop specs are just completely misleading now
but i feel like we could do it once every six months and it would still be really valuable information for the
consumer well and also it just it depends so much now because like if you
have the same cooler that you had three years ago it was fine then
now you need a vapor chamber or you're going to get destroyed by alienware and
ASUS yeah
that's a clean 800 point improvement that's outstanding that's
that's more than 10 percent better and we haven't even tried to tune the
overclocking dials past what electronics
recommended this is this is the safe settings i love it
maximum temps on any CPU core
81 degrees celsius yeah so that's a 13.4
increase and our GPU topped out at 55
with the hot spot hitting 64. that's outstanding
hopefully this manages to launch here the thing is when you're overclocking a
laptop there's a lot more at play than just cooling even if you've got adequate
cooling and the silicon was capable of it you got to think about the power delivery
the entire power budget for this device is dictated by
this little ac to dc adapter right here and generally speaking their board
designs are much more space constrained than they
would be on a desktop where the board of an rtx 3080 ti might actually be a
similar size to the entire motherboard of this laptop like we've seen some big
30 30 80 ti's oh yeah i am satisfied
with the noise level of this thing given that it is running performance
benchmarks right now i think that what i would want to see if electronics wants
to take it to the next level is intelligent fan and pump control where
if i'm idling it just turns off maybe it has an indicator to say hey i'm in
standby and when you actually do something and you need cooling i'm ready
to go but i'd like it to turn off when i'm idling because this thing was
actually super quiet until the pump kicked in
right as we're sitting here making a video about how we think products could
really be better if brands consulted with us
before they released the darn thing we got a consulting opportunity
in my inbox from a major hardware brand oh for a product that is very
interesting and that we could probably provide really great feedback on
yeah the question is should we do consulting
because there is one thing that making this video
allowed electronics competitors to do just let me get that for a second
man the plot thickens wait what
you've got did you really just pull out a competing device
yeah and look how ready it is electronics had no idea look at the
color of his face it's redder than the hat which you can get an ltd store
electronics actually knows i had to talk with them oh did you there it is
wait no way holy oh
wait what did they buy it from electronics did they completely clone it no they were in
parallel working with the same manufacturer and we're like oh we
have all these problems that's the thing
product development is crazy expensive i guarantee you that every one of these
plastic molds every single piece of this was at least a few grand okay and
probably more probably closer to five ten grand you gotta sell a lot of
freaking little external water cooling units to make up that initial outlay so
the more brands that you can partner with to help share that production cost the
better as long as they don't find out 68.30
our score is officially legendary alex
damn oh wait dude showing results from the same hardware
see you later look at this this is us can you hit
compare results online like what percentage are we that's incredible and you know what this
just does such a great job of illustrating what we're talking about
because with mobile devices right these
are mobile products if anyone is not getting the performance
we're getting it means they're getting less than what this hardware is capable
of so they're being hamstrung by power delivery they're being hamstrung by
cooling they're being hamstrung by profiles that are set by the
manufacturer and you can see on the same
damn hardware you've got people getting scores that are literally 30 40 percent
lower than what it's capable of
and to be clear i'm not saying that every device should be two inches thick
every device with the 3080 ti should wow
and he's not wrong because it actually does need that cooling in order to reach
its full potential except this one doesn't you don't want to check out the
other one i do want to check out the other one i'm just look i i have too many things to be excited about right
now i can't believe you totally blindsided me with this
i love it it's thicker but that makes sense because you're
going to need to have at least some air cooling in it for when you're not running water but there it is
that's the same the same external water cooling thing in
fairness electronics and xmg don't really compete xmg's in germany if
you're in europe you buy from them we are better than 59 of all results
submitted to 3dmark.com that is absolutely outstanding that we
have completely left behind just about every machine in the world running this
hardware all we need is another couple hundred points
to be the world record for this hardware now electronics does have one other
little thing that we can do oh they worked with prima mod
to unlock the BIOS so you can actually go in
and properly tweak the stuff oh dgpu only that might help oh yeah we weren't
actually running on the native display i bet we're gonna beat
oh yeah we might actually beat it i'm surprised because in their software
stuff it said that it was dedicated GPU while this runs we
identified one of the reasons that you might not want to show early hardware
especially to review channels it could allow your competitors to snipe you on
an idea with that said we don't believe that's the main reason because if your
competitors could clone your product and or beat you in such a short amount of
time you probably weren't destined for success anyway the real reason you might
not want to send out prototypes is that well they're prototypes typically the
fit and finish is pretty crap because a lot of the work is
done by hand which means a couple of things one the cost of each of those
prototypes compared to what that same unit might cost in mass production is
much higher and two there could be weird
errors that could give people a really wrong idea about the finished product
for instance here are two fairly late stage prototypes of our screwdriver
this one was supposed to be orange but as you can see it is in fact red so if
you guys are seeing orange right now your monitor's color calibration
way off now our wrong color not a huge deal i'd
be happy to send a screwdriver that's just slightly the wrong color to someone
like a tool reviewer but this one here
we made a large change to our ratchet mechanism which involved changing the
direction of the ratchet and although it
works great if we had sent this one to a reviewer we would have been absolutely
slayed and here's why oh it's locked
i managed to both slip and oh it's locked
don't worry we have that fixed now there's also the fact that due to the
cost and the handmade nature of these things you usually only have a couple of
them lying around to give you guys some idea a prototype of our screwdriver is
going to cost us somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 to 300
i mean given that our retail price is going to be about 70
yeah it's not going to be very sustainable if they actually cost that
much as for the backpack every sample of the backpack costs about five six
hundred dollars with that said i'm very happy then that electronics
sent us an early sample and is finally letting us see just how far we can push
this thing there's one more thing to check alex what whether the water just
drains out the back oh yeah okay you guys ready
this is the big moment
they did not okay my laptop made a little pedal i
will say though that these seal a lot better now no there's a hole oh my god
no they're totally designed to like allow the water out okay well that's
interesting that would prevent pressure from building up if it was still full of
water and it heated up and would prevent it from like gushing out at some point so that's good i guess
so in conclusion i'm really pleased that electronics sent
this to us early and allowed us to be part of the product development process
i think they ended up with a better product at the end of the day they weren't able to fix everything that we
were unhappy with about it but it's a way more compelling offering now because
we can say without compromise this is
the fastest gaming laptop that we've ever laid our hands on and all it costs
you is this extra liquid propulsion package and a little bit of extra noise
at idle it's a lot better than where we started
with that said it's clear that there are challenges for manufacturers when it
comes to sharing information with us early and the whole field of consulting
for the same manufacturers whose products we're supposed to be covering
is fraught with potential conflicts of interest so let us know your thoughts
should we do more stuff like this where we're looking at products early do you guys want stuff
to just be better would you trust us to still cover something that we actually
consulted on i have no idea these are very uncharted
waters for us yeah how do we get to that uncharted
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