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the electronics liquid propulsion

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package really what a letdown i am so

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disappointed right now over the years we've seen tons of finished products

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with obvious oversights

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and a couple of months ago we had one such product arrive the electronics

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liquid propulsion package it was promising but there were a ton of small

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problems that needed fixing and apparently they have all been fixed

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which raises a few questions one should we give them another chance yeah

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two should they have saved themselves some trouble by just sending us the

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prototypes in the first place definitely thank you and number three should brands

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give us even more money in exchange for sponsor reads like this one yeah

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electronics doesn't want me to take it apart until after i've tested it well

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did you already test it alex do i have to worry about that one two three hup

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geez what is all this stuff okay we got the lpp g1 that's our liquid propulsion

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package they sent over some peripherals i actually like their little

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warranty card thing they say hey warranty is only in the u.s which does

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suck but they also clearly explain why because they don't have the parts and

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the facilities available to service them elsewhere so like you're gonna have to

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ship it back to the us if it comes to that okay fair enough the star of the show is of course the liquid propulsion

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package an external water cooling unit that is designed here we go to make the

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electronics prometheus 17 faster quieter

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and cooler i said have to open it what well i can open this

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no they said not until you've done the testing oh okay the problem is that last

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time around they did manage to make it both cooler and faster but it actually

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came at the expense of both noise

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and ease of use the pump and fan were

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super loud in here and these fittings at the back

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would just leak when you unplugged the external

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liquid cooling system did you ever see that clip david no they might still do

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that oh they might still oh my god i thought you said they fixed stuff they

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fixed stuff but i don't know if they fixed all of it i admire but i don't

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envy the small one-person band content creators out there

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it's like hey is all my pre-testing done yup yes love my team not just alex he's

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just the closest one right now i'm physically closer than him that's true

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actually david i'm i'm pretty sure i gave you some love earlier today though

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alex contributes nearly nothing to our production values no offense alex what

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wow i do sometimes i mean jankiness is sort

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of a production value that's not fair

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the sickness of this laptop was kind of

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undermined a little bit last time by the cludgy cooling solution that didn't work

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very well it's really cool our power goes into the

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external cooler and then there's a pass through

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to the back of the laptop that way both devices are powered off of a single wall

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outlet that wasn't on the last one yeah see it looks like a little like

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replacement plastic doodad but it doesn't have any screw holes so i have

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no idea what it's supposed to do and you told me i'm not allowed to open

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it but look how tempting this is shouldn't i open it he wants to open it

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yeah this is way better the fill part at the top on the old unit was so loose and

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it just had a hole so if you accidentally knock this thing over your cat knocks this over boom puddle of

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water digi laptop gg external cooler

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you're done yeah look at that just like that okay

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quick release fittings and then it pops off like that one of our big problems on

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the last one was that the water left in the laptop would just leak out i hope

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they fixed that but quite frankly i do not see any mechanism to address it

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did they give us any way to like add the water

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yeah they gave us this funnel oh wow

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that's almost worse than that syringe they had last time yeah if

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i don't leak any of this it will be a christmas should you move it further

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from electronics well that was actually pretty good

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oh i just squirted into it it seems to be

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in standby you see this david how it's kind of flashing like that yep because

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core temperatures are like 40 degrees i would not expect that with liquid hello

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oh you're spilling spilling oh okay oh oh it's gooping out the front okay

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well that was an issue we had last time too wasn't it that it was possible to like overfill it no there's a little

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indicator on the front oh electronics really doesn't seem to be able to figure

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out which way is the front and which way is the back on this thing you got the

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tubes coming out the front this is where the visual fill indicator is this is

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where the power button is but then this goes into the back of the laptop

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like it's supposed to sit way back here who has a desk that deep like i would want it kind of here okay liquid

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propulsion package control inject liquid

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don't use tap water yep okay also do not use cryofuel apparently some of the

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plastics in there will embriddle and break if you do that so don't

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wait a minute the second i paired via bluetooth

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it got silent either it's way better or it's way worse

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oh here we go quiet please i said shh

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these are cute it's quieter than it was last time

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it's not quiet did they tell us it was going to be

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quiet yeah maybe i'll give it a little

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you know let's see if the led control works this

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time i wouldn't describe it as the world's brightest led

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it's very dim these menus are hilarious

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your path you must decide overclocking may cause system

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instability please adjust parameters carefully

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your path you must decide for the processor we're just going to

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drag it to 140 right yeah why not and then for our core and memory clock

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offsets for the GPU they actually provide look at that little guidance so

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let's tell you yeah you can do about 150 and a thousand megahertz it's still a

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little on the loud side but it is definitely better than last time we're

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sitting here at like 20 CPU load 30 CPU

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load launching programs core temperature

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is like 35 to 45 degrees love to see

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that remember this is a 3080 ti and it's

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sitting at 32 degrees at idle well 380ti

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mobile it's limited in terms of its TDP and it

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simply cannot be unlocked so you got 14 cores up to 64 gigs of memory rtx 3080

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ti mobile and like look at it obviously that

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hardware is not gonna run to its full potential when you don't have the

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external liquid cooling hooked up like look how freaking thin this thing is but

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man having the option to have most of that performance on air when you're on

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the go and all of it when you hook up the external water cooling unit that is

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a lot of time spy extreme frames per second i mean if you told me a laptop is

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going to run the 4k extreme preset even just a few years ago like this

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yeah now do you want to know something kind of funny sure i like funny we

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recently had a sponsor project that fell through

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that had the same specs as this laptop because it was too slow and we were like

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that's embarrassing we're not going to name and chain because that would be rude but it did have fairly similar

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performance to this out of the box just on air cooling and it was pretty similar

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in size it had slightly worse performance and it was slightly thinner

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okay and we rejected the sponsorship just because we thought it was stupid that

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the specs were so high and it was so expensive but the real world performance

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was so low yes but this allows you to you know have a laptop that's like this

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with this kind of hardware and it's not stupid right i mean it's a

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little stupid it's a little stupid but it's not exactly the same performance as

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a 30 70 ti or in many cases oh i see

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what i'm looking at here this thing had a 3080 ti and a 12 900 h

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and it was getting beat or tied by an r9

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6900 hs and a 37 ti yeah that's

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embarrassing it is yeah i feel like even though we've made this video already

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where we talked about how laptop specs are just completely misleading now

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but i feel like we could do it once every six months and it would still be really valuable information for the

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consumer well and also it just it depends so much now because like if you

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have the same cooler that you had three years ago it was fine then

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now you need a vapor chamber or you're going to get destroyed by alienware and

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ASUS yeah

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that's a clean 800 point improvement that's outstanding that's

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that's more than 10 percent better and we haven't even tried to tune the

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overclocking dials past what electronics

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recommended this is this is the safe settings i love it

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maximum temps on any CPU core

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81 degrees celsius yeah so that's a 13.4

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increase and our GPU topped out at 55

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with the hot spot hitting 64. that's outstanding

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hopefully this manages to launch here the thing is when you're overclocking a

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laptop there's a lot more at play than just cooling even if you've got adequate

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cooling and the silicon was capable of it you got to think about the power delivery

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the entire power budget for this device is dictated by

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this little ac to dc adapter right here and generally speaking their board

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designs are much more space constrained than they

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would be on a desktop where the board of an rtx 3080 ti might actually be a

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similar size to the entire motherboard of this laptop like we've seen some big

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30 30 80 ti's oh yeah i am satisfied

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with the noise level of this thing given that it is running performance

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benchmarks right now i think that what i would want to see if electronics wants

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to take it to the next level is intelligent fan and pump control where

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if i'm idling it just turns off maybe it has an indicator to say hey i'm in

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standby and when you actually do something and you need cooling i'm ready

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to go but i'd like it to turn off when i'm idling because this thing was

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actually super quiet until the pump kicked in

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right as we're sitting here making a video about how we think products could

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really be better if brands consulted with us

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before they released the darn thing we got a consulting opportunity

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in my inbox from a major hardware brand oh for a product that is very

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interesting and that we could probably provide really great feedback on

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yeah the question is should we do consulting

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because there is one thing that making this video

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allowed electronics competitors to do just let me get that for a second

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man the plot thickens wait what

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you've got did you really just pull out a competing device

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yeah and look how ready it is electronics had no idea look at the

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color of his face it's redder than the hat which you can get an ltd store

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electronics actually knows i had to talk with them oh did you there it is

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wait no way holy oh

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wait what did they buy it from electronics did they completely clone it no they were in

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parallel working with the same manufacturer and we're like oh we

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have all these problems that's the thing

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product development is crazy expensive i guarantee you that every one of these

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plastic molds every single piece of this was at least a few grand okay and

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probably more probably closer to five ten grand you gotta sell a lot of

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freaking little external water cooling units to make up that initial outlay so

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the more brands that you can partner with to help share that production cost the

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better as long as they don't find out 68.30

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our score is officially legendary alex

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damn oh wait dude showing results from the same hardware

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see you later look at this this is us can you hit

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compare results online like what percentage are we that's incredible and you know what this

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just does such a great job of illustrating what we're talking about

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because with mobile devices right these

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are mobile products if anyone is not getting the performance

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we're getting it means they're getting less than what this hardware is capable

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of so they're being hamstrung by power delivery they're being hamstrung by

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cooling they're being hamstrung by profiles that are set by the

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manufacturer and you can see on the same

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damn hardware you've got people getting scores that are literally 30 40 percent

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lower than what it's capable of

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and to be clear i'm not saying that every device should be two inches thick

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every device with the 3080 ti should wow

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and he's not wrong because it actually does need that cooling in order to reach

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its full potential except this one doesn't you don't want to check out the

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other one i do want to check out the other one i'm just look i i have too many things to be excited about right

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now i can't believe you totally blindsided me with this

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i love it it's thicker but that makes sense because you're

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going to need to have at least some air cooling in it for when you're not running water but there it is

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that's the same the same external water cooling thing in

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fairness electronics and xmg don't really compete xmg's in germany if

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you're in europe you buy from them we are better than 59 of all results

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submitted to 3dmark.com that is absolutely outstanding that we

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have completely left behind just about every machine in the world running this

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hardware all we need is another couple hundred points

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to be the world record for this hardware now electronics does have one other

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little thing that we can do oh they worked with prima mod

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to unlock the BIOS so you can actually go in

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and properly tweak the stuff oh dgpu only that might help oh yeah we weren't

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actually running on the native display i bet we're gonna beat

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oh yeah we might actually beat it i'm surprised because in their software

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stuff it said that it was dedicated GPU while this runs we

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identified one of the reasons that you might not want to show early hardware

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especially to review channels it could allow your competitors to snipe you on

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an idea with that said we don't believe that's the main reason because if your

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competitors could clone your product and or beat you in such a short amount of

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time you probably weren't destined for success anyway the real reason you might

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not want to send out prototypes is that well they're prototypes typically the

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fit and finish is pretty crap because a lot of the work is

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done by hand which means a couple of things one the cost of each of those

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prototypes compared to what that same unit might cost in mass production is

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much higher and two there could be weird

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errors that could give people a really wrong idea about the finished product

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for instance here are two fairly late stage prototypes of our screwdriver

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this one was supposed to be orange but as you can see it is in fact red so if

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you guys are seeing orange right now your monitor's color calibration

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way off now our wrong color not a huge deal i'd

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be happy to send a screwdriver that's just slightly the wrong color to someone

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like a tool reviewer but this one here

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we made a large change to our ratchet mechanism which involved changing the

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direction of the ratchet and although it

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works great if we had sent this one to a reviewer we would have been absolutely

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slayed and here's why oh it's locked

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i managed to both slip and oh it's locked

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don't worry we have that fixed now there's also the fact that due to the

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cost and the handmade nature of these things you usually only have a couple of

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them lying around to give you guys some idea a prototype of our screwdriver is

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going to cost us somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 to 300

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i mean given that our retail price is going to be about 70

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yeah it's not going to be very sustainable if they actually cost that

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much as for the backpack every sample of the backpack costs about five six

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hundred dollars with that said i'm very happy then that electronics

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sent us an early sample and is finally letting us see just how far we can push

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this thing there's one more thing to check alex what whether the water just

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drains out the back oh yeah okay you guys ready

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this is the big moment

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they did not okay my laptop made a little pedal i

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will say though that these seal a lot better now no there's a hole oh my god

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no they're totally designed to like allow the water out okay well that's

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interesting that would prevent pressure from building up if it was still full of

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water and it heated up and would prevent it from like gushing out at some point so that's good i guess

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so in conclusion i'm really pleased that electronics sent

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this to us early and allowed us to be part of the product development process

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i think they ended up with a better product at the end of the day they weren't able to fix everything that we

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were unhappy with about it but it's a way more compelling offering now because

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we can say without compromise this is

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the fastest gaming laptop that we've ever laid our hands on and all it costs

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you is this extra liquid propulsion package and a little bit of extra noise

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at idle it's a lot better than where we started

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with that said it's clear that there are challenges for manufacturers when it

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comes to sharing information with us early and the whole field of consulting

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for the same manufacturers whose products we're supposed to be covering

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is fraught with potential conflicts of interest so let us know your thoughts

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should we do more stuff like this where we're looking at products early do you guys want stuff

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to just be better would you trust us to still cover something that we actually

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consulted on i have no idea these are very uncharted

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waters for us yeah how do we get to that uncharted

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