WEBVTT 00:00:00.460 --> 00:00:06.880 Plastic is still on here. 00:00:06.880 --> 00:00:12.160 So, RTX pre-orders are apparently going gangbusters. 00:00:13.600 --> 00:00:14.740 And I get it. 00:00:14.740 --> 00:00:18.600 Some of you out there have had literally two years 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:20.760 to save your pennies and frankly, 00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:24.160 not a lot of exciting PC hardware to buy in the interim. 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:28.380 But come on, giving away your money 00:00:28.380 --> 00:00:31.060 without seeing any performance data 00:00:31.060 --> 00:00:35.150 is a bad way to make purchase decisions. 00:00:35.150 --> 00:00:37.530 Besides, making matters worse 00:00:37.530 --> 00:00:40.610 is that the marquee feature of the RTX series, 00:00:40.610 --> 00:00:45.560 real-time ray tracing, is basically MIA today. 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:50.000 So, all we're left with is how much the GeForce 20 series 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:52.140 improves performance over last gen 00:00:52.140 --> 00:00:54.300 in traditionally rendered games 00:00:54.300 --> 00:00:57.140 and some discussion about NVIDIA's 00:00:57.140 --> 00:01:01.760 generally bass-ackwards approach to this launch. 00:01:01.760 --> 00:01:05.340 Speaking of bass-ackwards, not using a VPN. 00:01:05.340 --> 00:01:05.960 Do you have privacy? 00:01:05.960 --> 00:01:07.780 Do you have an internet access VPN yet? 00:01:07.780 --> 00:01:09.820 If not, go get it at the link below. 00:01:09.820 --> 00:01:12.020 And if you do, well, go get it anyway. 00:01:12.020 --> 00:01:13.380 Makes a great gift. 00:01:13.380 --> 00:01:25.230 Give the gift of internet security. 00:01:25.230 --> 00:01:26.250 So, before we start, 00:01:26.250 --> 00:01:29.710 there's a term that you need to understand, rasterization. 00:01:29.710 --> 00:01:31.430 Without getting too deep into it, 00:01:31.430 --> 00:01:34.290 your graphics card uses this technique 00:01:34.290 --> 00:01:36.610 to turn a three-dimensional scene 00:01:36.610 --> 00:01:39.450 into a flat 2D plane of pixels, 00:01:39.450 --> 00:01:42.670 similar to a photo, many times per second. 00:01:42.670 --> 00:01:44.890 Since the days of wireframe and flat polygons, 00:01:44.890 --> 00:01:48.810 we've added lighting, textures, post-processing, 00:01:48.810 --> 00:01:50.890 and more to the pipeline, 00:01:50.890 --> 00:01:54.750 but they all still only apply to the screen space 00:01:54.750 --> 00:01:58.070 versus the whole scene's world space. 00:01:58.070 --> 00:02:01.850 TLDR, rendering a game today isn't fundamentally different 00:02:01.850 --> 00:02:06.800 from how Star Fox was rendered on the Super Nintendo in 1993. 00:02:06.800 --> 00:02:11.780 Ray tracing, meanwhile, is fundamentally different. 00:02:11.780 --> 00:02:14.880 So, it's a simulation of light interacting, 00:02:14.880 --> 00:02:16.920 with the world space, 00:02:16.920 --> 00:02:20.300 acting sort of like an eyeball in reverse. 00:02:20.300 --> 00:02:23.700 So, instead of rays of light coming in, 00:02:23.700 --> 00:02:27.300 rays are actually cast out from the camera position, 00:02:27.300 --> 00:02:28.420 where your screen is, 00:02:28.420 --> 00:02:31.720 and then everything is calculated from there. 00:02:31.720 --> 00:02:33.400 The more rays you have, 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:36.880 and the more times those rays are allowed to interact 00:02:36.880 --> 00:02:38.480 or bounce around the scene, 00:02:38.480 --> 00:02:40.040 the more detail you get. 00:02:40.040 --> 00:02:44.580 And it's a superior method in every way to rasterization, 00:02:44.580 --> 00:02:47.220 except for one, speed. 00:02:47.220 --> 00:02:50.080 Up until now, ray tracing has only been available 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:52.460 in rendering software that can take hours 00:02:52.460 --> 00:02:56.320 or even over a day to complete a single frame 00:02:56.320 --> 00:02:58.860 on a high-end workstation. 00:02:58.860 --> 00:03:03.340 So, how the heck, then, is NVIDIA pumping out 00:03:03.340 --> 00:03:07.520 many frames per second using this tech? 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:11.300 Well, the new enthusiast-tier Turing architecture cards, 00:03:11.300 --> 00:03:13.880 the 2080 and the 2080 Ti, 00:03:13.880 --> 00:03:17.240 include what they're calling RT cores, 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:19.940 which, for RTX-enabled games, 00:03:19.940 --> 00:03:24.640 render a simplified ray-traced scene in parallel 00:03:24.640 --> 00:03:27.620 with the standard CUDA cores raster rendering. 00:03:27.620 --> 00:03:31.040 So, the result is a traditionally rendered scene 00:03:31.040 --> 00:03:35.280 with ray-traced lighting, occlusion, and reflections. 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:38.640 So, that hybrid rendering, as NVIDIA calls it, 00:03:38.640 --> 00:03:41.320 gives you a lot of the benefits of ray tracing 00:03:41.320 --> 00:03:43.560 without the massive computational cost. 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:43.800 So, you can use a lot of the benefits of ray tracing, without the massive computational cost. 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:43.840 So, that's the way it's done. 00:03:43.880 --> 00:03:46.500 and without game developers needing 00:03:46.500 --> 00:03:49.460 to completely re-engineer their game engines. 00:03:49.460 --> 00:03:50.680 And there's more. 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:54.360 The Titan V's Tensor cores are back as well. 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:56.400 For GeForce, these are being leveraged 00:03:56.400 --> 00:04:00.760 for NVIDIA's new deep learning super sample anti-aliasing, 00:04:00.760 --> 00:04:05.760 which NVIDIA claims can achieve near 64X super sampling 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:09.360 with less performance impact than traditional AA, 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:12.540 which they've achieved by pre-training data sets 00:04:12.540 --> 00:04:14.000 for each supported game, 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:17.400 and then pushing those results out via driver updates. 00:04:17.400 --> 00:04:18.860 There is a catch though. 00:04:18.860 --> 00:04:21.780 Just like RTX real-time ray tracing, 00:04:21.780 --> 00:04:25.560 it has to be supported on a game by game basis. 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:27.470 So now you know. 00:04:27.470 --> 00:04:31.730 But knowing is only half of the battle. 00:04:31.730 --> 00:04:33.510 We also need to see it, 00:04:33.510 --> 00:04:36.850 which unfortunately is easier said than done 00:04:36.850 --> 00:04:40.650 because we could have the most epic test benches 00:04:40.650 --> 00:04:42.350 in the world, 00:04:42.350 --> 00:04:44.190 like this one I have here in front of me right now. 00:04:44.190 --> 00:04:45.990 Then I got my finger stuck, ow. 00:04:45.990 --> 00:04:51.020 Anyway, there are no actual RTX games to test. 00:04:51.760 --> 00:04:54.120 So we can't very well measure its performance 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:56.660 versus non-RTX then, can we? 00:04:56.660 --> 00:04:58.240 Well, we'll get back to that in a minute. 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:01.080 First, let's have a look at some normal gaming results. 00:05:01.080 --> 00:05:03.240 And you know what? 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:05.220 They are pretty good. 00:05:05.220 --> 00:05:06.460 All across the board, 00:05:06.460 --> 00:05:10.500 the 2080 Ti averages in the high 50s or higher. 00:05:10.500 --> 00:05:11.540 And remember guys, 00:05:12.380 --> 00:05:16.180 the 4K Ultra with the 2080 seeming to be content 00:05:16.180 --> 00:05:17.720 with the traditional, 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:19.280 let's meet the performance 00:05:19.280 --> 00:05:23.120 of the previous generation Ti card level of performance. 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:25.340 Frankly, all of this is a massive relief 00:05:25.340 --> 00:05:27.260 given NVIDIA's refusal to talk 00:05:27.260 --> 00:05:30.760 about traditional gaming performance in their keynote. 00:05:30.760 --> 00:05:31.880 As for productivity, 00:05:31.880 --> 00:05:33.340 well, we were a little disappointed 00:05:33.340 --> 00:05:35.880 when Blender refused to run on the new cards. 00:05:35.880 --> 00:05:38.820 Compute capability 7.5 doesn't have a kernel yet, 00:05:38.820 --> 00:05:42.220 but if the rest of these results are anything to go by, 00:05:42.220 --> 00:05:43.760 it's gonna be good. 00:05:43.760 --> 00:05:48.180 Cause these numbers just crush the 1000 series cards. 00:05:48.180 --> 00:05:52.680 And the 2080 even manages to match AMD's Vega 64 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:55.300 in Luxray's OpenCL rendering. 00:05:55.300 --> 00:05:57.920 That was a huge gap to bridge. 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:01.380 So Turing GPUs are gonna make really good workstation cards. 00:06:01.380 --> 00:06:02.840 I can't wait to get my hands 00:06:02.840 --> 00:06:04.800 on the Quadro versions of these guys. 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:05.980 So overall then, 00:06:05.980 --> 00:06:10.020 the 2080 performs kind of like a 1080 Ti, cool. 00:06:10.020 --> 00:06:12.060 And the 2080 Ti performs kind of 00:06:12.060 --> 00:06:16.020 like a Titan V, a much more expensive niche product. 00:06:16.020 --> 00:06:18.860 Also cool, well, sort of cool. 00:06:18.860 --> 00:06:20.880 All this performance comes at a cost. 00:06:20.880 --> 00:06:21.940 And I'm not just talking 00:06:21.940 --> 00:06:24.460 about the much higher price tags than last gen. 00:06:24.460 --> 00:06:28.100 Now the manufacturing process has shrunk 25% 00:06:28.100 --> 00:06:30.640 from 16 nanometer to 12 nanometer, 00:06:30.640 --> 00:06:34.480 but with over 50% more transistors. 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:36.900 So that means massive dies 00:06:36.900 --> 00:06:40.860 with higher overall power draw and thermals. 00:06:40.860 --> 00:06:41.700 Hence, 00:06:42.060 --> 00:06:44.400 the 2080 Ti is gonna be a great product, 00:06:44.400 --> 00:06:48.100 not to mention extremely like shockingly heavy, 00:06:48.100 --> 00:06:52.100 twin fan vapor chamber cooler and the beefy power delivery 00:06:52.100 --> 00:06:55.180 on the Founders Edition designs this time around. 00:06:55.180 --> 00:06:56.440 You guys should let us know, by the way, 00:06:56.440 --> 00:06:58.560 if you want us to dive into overclocking these cards 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:01.140 in a future video in the comments below. 00:07:01.140 --> 00:07:02.760 Speaking of future video, 00:07:02.760 --> 00:07:07.020 surprisingly, NVENC got an update. 00:07:07.020 --> 00:07:09.260 So text is now more readable 00:07:09.260 --> 00:07:12.220 and there's less blocking than the 1080 Ti. 00:07:12.220 --> 00:07:14.640 It looks very similar to, 00:07:14.640 --> 00:07:18.360 if not better than X264 on the fast preset. 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:20.500 So it looks like game streamers 00:07:20.500 --> 00:07:23.840 or anyone else who relies on high quality stream capture, 00:07:23.840 --> 00:07:27.380 no longer needs to choose between quality and speed. 00:07:27.380 --> 00:07:29.620 And there's other cool features baked on board as well. 00:07:29.620 --> 00:07:32.800 Like the new VR link connector that handles both power 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:36.980 and high resolution video over a single USB type C cable 00:07:36.980 --> 00:07:39.260 for VR headsets. 00:07:39.260 --> 00:07:40.830 All right then. 00:07:40.830 --> 00:07:42.490 So what about DLSS? 00:07:42.730 --> 00:07:49.120 And where are the RTX on, RTX off comparisons? 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:52.660 Well, that's actually a really good question. 00:07:52.660 --> 00:07:56.540 So Battlefield V was delayed until late November. 00:07:56.540 --> 00:07:57.840 Shadow of the Tomb Raider, 00:07:57.840 --> 00:08:00.720 which is out and is an RTX title, 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:02.660 is apparently getting the functionality added 00:08:02.660 --> 00:08:04.880 in a post-release patch. 00:08:04.880 --> 00:08:09.440 But that's it then, right? 00:08:09.440 --> 00:08:10.280 Wrong. 00:08:10.280 --> 00:08:12.660 We weren't gonna give up on you guys that easy. 00:08:12.660 --> 00:08:15.000 So we reached out to a developer directly 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:15.580 with a game in the works, 00:08:15.580 --> 00:08:18.340 that supports both technologies. 00:08:18.340 --> 00:08:20.740 And they graciously agreed to come over 00:08:20.740 --> 00:08:24.840 and show off their beta exclusively for you guys. 00:08:24.840 --> 00:08:26.600 Originally they did anyway. 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:30.860 So this is where showing off our shiny new hardware ends 00:08:30.860 --> 00:08:33.780 and the criticism begins. 00:08:33.780 --> 00:08:37.000 So they were forced to bail. 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:38.820 They couldn't give us any details, 00:08:38.820 --> 00:08:42.190 but if you wanna know what I think, 00:08:42.190 --> 00:08:46.110 I think it's that NVIDIA and more accurately RTX, 00:08:46.350 --> 00:08:47.650 they're not ready yet. 00:08:47.650 --> 00:08:51.670 I mean, to put the rushed last minute nature 00:08:51.670 --> 00:08:53.310 of this launch in perspective, 00:08:53.310 --> 00:08:58.090 we got our card and its driver at around noon on Friday, 00:08:58.090 --> 00:09:00.390 the 14th of September. 00:09:00.390 --> 00:09:04.670 This video goes up early in the morning on the 19th. 00:09:04.670 --> 00:09:08.170 That is at best 2.7 working days 00:09:08.170 --> 00:09:11.970 to evaluate the biggest graphics card launch in two years. 00:09:11.970 --> 00:09:14.770 And other publications that we've spoken with have confirmed 00:09:14.770 --> 00:09:16.150 that they were in a similar boat. 00:09:16.150 --> 00:09:20.370 So like, what are they doing? 00:09:20.370 --> 00:09:22.390 Is this someone high up in the chain 00:09:22.390 --> 00:09:24.130 having an executive moment? 00:09:24.130 --> 00:09:27.690 Is this them not wanting us to spend much time 00:09:27.690 --> 00:09:28.910 digging into these things? 00:09:28.910 --> 00:09:31.770 What purpose is served by rushing this launch? 00:09:31.770 --> 00:09:35.470 I mean, the thing too to consider is that it's not like AMD 00:09:35.470 --> 00:09:38.630 has anything to compete with the 1080 TI, 00:09:38.630 --> 00:09:40.530 let alone its successor. 00:09:40.530 --> 00:09:43.770 So I guess this is open letter to NVIDIA time. 00:09:43.770 --> 00:09:46.070 Guys, people ordered this thing 00:09:46.070 --> 00:09:51.070 on a promise and yeah, it's early days. 00:09:51.390 --> 00:09:53.490 Maybe things aren't quite polished yet. 00:09:53.490 --> 00:09:57.990 I get it, but you're clearly not ready to deliver. 00:09:57.990 --> 00:10:01.310 And frankly, this is the kind of 00:10:01.310 --> 00:10:03.490 that gives PC gaming a bad name. 00:10:03.490 --> 00:10:06.950 Shiny badges on the sides of boxes that at best 00:10:06.950 --> 00:10:09.570 are supported by a small handful of games 00:10:09.570 --> 00:10:13.870 or at worst flat out don't do anything. 00:10:13.870 --> 00:10:15.890 And that's what RTX is today. 00:10:15.890 --> 00:10:18.490 It doesn't do anything. 00:10:18.490 --> 00:10:21.830 So that's what I have to say, guys. 00:10:21.830 --> 00:10:24.370 I can't benchmark goals. 00:10:24.370 --> 00:10:27.350 I can't review future potential. 00:10:27.350 --> 00:10:29.650 I mean, honestly, given your track record, 00:10:29.650 --> 00:10:32.990 RTX will probably be pretty cool, 00:10:32.990 --> 00:10:37.990 but this whole situation is a ridiculous self-pwn here. 00:10:38.130 --> 00:10:41.590 Like outside of hopeless fan boys, when they buy something, 00:10:41.590 --> 00:10:44.890 people expect it to actually do what it says on the tin, 00:10:44.890 --> 00:10:45.910 or they expect to... 00:10:45.950 --> 00:10:49.110 at least be able to get a glimpse of what they're getting 00:10:49.110 --> 00:10:52.050 that hasn't been run through your own PR department. 00:10:52.050 --> 00:10:53.490 As it stands right now, 00:10:53.490 --> 00:10:56.230 the only tangible things that we can show our viewers, 00:10:56.230 --> 00:10:57.910 which are your customers, 00:10:57.910 --> 00:11:02.770 are the very much curated NVIDIA special DLSS build 00:11:02.770 --> 00:11:05.110 of the Final Fantasy 15 benchmark, 00:11:05.110 --> 00:11:07.070 and then a couple of ray tracing demos 00:11:07.070 --> 00:11:10.270 that tell us nothing about the real world 00:11:10.270 --> 00:11:14.020 before and after performance impact. 00:11:14.020 --> 00:11:15.300 I mean, we can stare at them, 00:11:15.300 --> 00:11:17.380 which is like, wow, such excite. 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:20.520 So like, it looks like it works, 00:11:20.520 --> 00:11:23.700 and maybe this is what these features will look like 00:11:23.700 --> 00:11:26.540 in actual games, but who can say for sure 00:11:26.540 --> 00:11:29.780 when we can only test in a tightly controlled environment? 00:11:29.780 --> 00:11:32.540 So you're letting us run benchmarks, 00:11:32.540 --> 00:11:34.200 but you're still making it really hard 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:36.820 to recommend this thing for the function 00:11:36.820 --> 00:11:40.160 that is right in the name of the product, 00:11:40.160 --> 00:11:42.680 because nobody without a speak about it 00:11:42.680 --> 00:11:44.660 and we'll cut off your balls NDA, 00:11:44.660 --> 00:11:49.660 actually knows how well RTX works. 00:11:49.660 --> 00:11:54.050 So bottom line for you, the viewer then, 00:11:54.050 --> 00:11:56.130 these cards are strong performers, 00:11:56.130 --> 00:11:58.210 and that's really good both for them 00:11:58.210 --> 00:12:00.690 and for the upcoming lower end Turing cards 00:12:00.690 --> 00:12:04.130 that won't have RT or tensor cores, 00:12:04.130 --> 00:12:07.670 but we can't draw a real conclusion 00:12:07.670 --> 00:12:11.130 because this review is incomplete, 00:12:11.130 --> 00:12:15.810 just like the RTX 2000 series. 00:12:15.810 --> 00:12:17.010 But you know what's not incomplete? 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