1 00:00:00,460 --> 00:00:06,880 Plastic is still on here. 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:12,160 So, RTX pre-orders are apparently going gangbusters. 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:14,740 And I get it. 4 00:00:14,740 --> 00:00:18,600 Some of you out there have had literally two years 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,760 to save your pennies and frankly, 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,160 not a lot of exciting PC hardware to buy in the interim. 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,380 But come on, giving away your money 8 00:00:28,380 --> 00:00:31,060 without seeing any performance data 9 00:00:31,060 --> 00:00:35,150 is a bad way to make purchase decisions. 10 00:00:35,150 --> 00:00:37,530 Besides, making matters worse 11 00:00:37,530 --> 00:00:40,610 is that the marquee feature of the RTX series, 12 00:00:40,610 --> 00:00:45,560 real-time ray tracing, is basically MIA today. 13 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:50,000 So, all we're left with is how much the GeForce 20 series 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,140 improves performance over last gen 15 00:00:52,140 --> 00:00:54,300 in traditionally rendered games 16 00:00:54,300 --> 00:00:57,140 and some discussion about NVIDIA's 17 00:00:57,140 --> 00:01:01,760 generally bass-ackwards approach to this launch. 18 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,340 Speaking of bass-ackwards, not using a VPN. 19 00:01:05,340 --> 00:01:05,960 Do you have privacy? 20 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:07,780 Do you have an internet access VPN yet? 21 00:01:07,780 --> 00:01:09,820 If not, go get it at the link below. 22 00:01:09,820 --> 00:01:12,020 And if you do, well, go get it anyway. 23 00:01:12,020 --> 00:01:13,380 Makes a great gift. 24 00:01:13,380 --> 00:01:25,230 Give the gift of internet security. 25 00:01:25,230 --> 00:01:26,250 So, before we start, 26 00:01:26,250 --> 00:01:29,710 there's a term that you need to understand, rasterization. 27 00:01:29,710 --> 00:01:31,430 Without getting too deep into it, 28 00:01:31,430 --> 00:01:34,290 your graphics card uses this technique 29 00:01:34,290 --> 00:01:36,610 to turn a three-dimensional scene 30 00:01:36,610 --> 00:01:39,450 into a flat 2D plane of pixels, 31 00:01:39,450 --> 00:01:42,670 similar to a photo, many times per second. 32 00:01:42,670 --> 00:01:44,890 Since the days of wireframe and flat polygons, 33 00:01:44,890 --> 00:01:48,810 we've added lighting, textures, post-processing, 34 00:01:48,810 --> 00:01:50,890 and more to the pipeline, 35 00:01:50,890 --> 00:01:54,750 but they all still only apply to the screen space 36 00:01:54,750 --> 00:01:58,070 versus the whole scene's world space. 37 00:01:58,070 --> 00:02:01,850 TLDR, rendering a game today isn't fundamentally different 38 00:02:01,850 --> 00:02:06,800 from how Star Fox was rendered on the Super Nintendo in 1993. 39 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:11,780 Ray tracing, meanwhile, is fundamentally different. 40 00:02:11,780 --> 00:02:14,880 So, it's a simulation of light interacting, 41 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:16,920 with the world space, 42 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:20,300 acting sort of like an eyeball in reverse. 43 00:02:20,300 --> 00:02:23,700 So, instead of rays of light coming in, 44 00:02:23,700 --> 00:02:27,300 rays are actually cast out from the camera position, 45 00:02:27,300 --> 00:02:28,420 where your screen is, 46 00:02:28,420 --> 00:02:31,720 and then everything is calculated from there. 47 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,400 The more rays you have, 48 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,880 and the more times those rays are allowed to interact 49 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,480 or bounce around the scene, 50 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,040 the more detail you get. 51 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,580 And it's a superior method in every way to rasterization, 52 00:02:44,580 --> 00:02:47,220 except for one, speed. 53 00:02:47,220 --> 00:02:50,080 Up until now, ray tracing has only been available 54 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,460 in rendering software that can take hours 55 00:02:52,460 --> 00:02:56,320 or even over a day to complete a single frame 56 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,860 on a high-end workstation. 57 00:02:58,860 --> 00:03:03,340 So, how the heck, then, is NVIDIA pumping out 58 00:03:03,340 --> 00:03:07,520 many frames per second using this tech? 59 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,300 Well, the new enthusiast-tier Turing architecture cards, 60 00:03:11,300 --> 00:03:13,880 the 2080 and the 2080 Ti, 61 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,240 include what they're calling RT cores, 62 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,940 which, for RTX-enabled games, 63 00:03:19,940 --> 00:03:24,640 render a simplified ray-traced scene in parallel 64 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:27,620 with the standard CUDA cores raster rendering. 65 00:03:27,620 --> 00:03:31,040 So, the result is a traditionally rendered scene 66 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,280 with ray-traced lighting, occlusion, and reflections. 67 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,640 So, that hybrid rendering, as NVIDIA calls it, 68 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,320 gives you a lot of the benefits of ray tracing 69 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,560 without the massive computational cost. 70 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:43,800 So, you can use a lot of the benefits of ray tracing, without the massive computational cost. 71 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:43,840 So, that's the way it's done. 72 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,500 and without game developers needing 73 00:03:46,500 --> 00:03:49,460 to completely re-engineer their game engines. 74 00:03:49,460 --> 00:03:50,680 And there's more. 75 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,360 The Titan V's Tensor cores are back as well. 76 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,400 For GeForce, these are being leveraged 77 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,760 for NVIDIA's new deep learning super sample anti-aliasing, 78 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:05,760 which NVIDIA claims can achieve near 64X super sampling 79 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,360 with less performance impact than traditional AA, 80 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,540 which they've achieved by pre-training data sets 81 00:04:12,540 --> 00:04:14,000 for each supported game, 82 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,400 and then pushing those results out via driver updates. 83 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:18,860 There is a catch though. 84 00:04:18,860 --> 00:04:21,780 Just like RTX real-time ray tracing, 85 00:04:21,780 --> 00:04:25,560 it has to be supported on a game by game basis. 86 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,470 So now you know. 87 00:04:27,470 --> 00:04:31,730 But knowing is only half of the battle. 88 00:04:31,730 --> 00:04:33,510 We also need to see it, 89 00:04:33,510 --> 00:04:36,850 which unfortunately is easier said than done 90 00:04:36,850 --> 00:04:40,650 because we could have the most epic test benches 91 00:04:40,650 --> 00:04:42,350 in the world, 92 00:04:42,350 --> 00:04:44,190 like this one I have here in front of me right now. 93 00:04:44,190 --> 00:04:45,990 Then I got my finger stuck, ow. 94 00:04:45,990 --> 00:04:51,020 Anyway, there are no actual RTX games to test. 95 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,120 So we can't very well measure its performance 96 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,660 versus non-RTX then, can we? 97 00:04:56,660 --> 00:04:58,240 Well, we'll get back to that in a minute. 98 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,080 First, let's have a look at some normal gaming results. 99 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,240 And you know what? 100 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,220 They are pretty good. 101 00:05:05,220 --> 00:05:06,460 All across the board, 102 00:05:06,460 --> 00:05:10,500 the 2080 Ti averages in the high 50s or higher. 103 00:05:10,500 --> 00:05:11,540 And remember guys, 104 00:05:12,380 --> 00:05:16,180 the 4K Ultra with the 2080 seeming to be content 105 00:05:16,180 --> 00:05:17,720 with the traditional, 106 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,280 let's meet the performance 107 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:23,120 of the previous generation Ti card level of performance. 108 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,340 Frankly, all of this is a massive relief 109 00:05:25,340 --> 00:05:27,260 given NVIDIA's refusal to talk 110 00:05:27,260 --> 00:05:30,760 about traditional gaming performance in their keynote. 111 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:31,880 As for productivity, 112 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,340 well, we were a little disappointed 113 00:05:33,340 --> 00:05:35,880 when Blender refused to run on the new cards. 114 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,820 Compute capability 7.5 doesn't have a kernel yet, 115 00:05:38,820 --> 00:05:42,220 but if the rest of these results are anything to go by, 116 00:05:42,220 --> 00:05:43,760 it's gonna be good. 117 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:48,180 Cause these numbers just crush the 1000 series cards. 118 00:05:48,180 --> 00:05:52,680 And the 2080 even manages to match AMD's Vega 64 119 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,300 in Luxray's OpenCL rendering. 120 00:05:55,300 --> 00:05:57,920 That was a huge gap to bridge. 121 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,380 So Turing GPUs are gonna make really good workstation cards. 122 00:06:01,380 --> 00:06:02,840 I can't wait to get my hands 123 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:04,800 on the Quadro versions of these guys. 124 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:05,980 So overall then, 125 00:06:05,980 --> 00:06:10,020 the 2080 performs kind of like a 1080 Ti, cool. 126 00:06:10,020 --> 00:06:12,060 And the 2080 Ti performs kind of 127 00:06:12,060 --> 00:06:16,020 like a Titan V, a much more expensive niche product. 128 00:06:16,020 --> 00:06:18,860 Also cool, well, sort of cool. 129 00:06:18,860 --> 00:06:20,880 All this performance comes at a cost. 130 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:21,940 And I'm not just talking 131 00:06:21,940 --> 00:06:24,460 about the much higher price tags than last gen. 132 00:06:24,460 --> 00:06:28,100 Now the manufacturing process has shrunk 25% 133 00:06:28,100 --> 00:06:30,640 from 16 nanometer to 12 nanometer, 134 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,480 but with over 50% more transistors. 135 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,900 So that means massive dies 136 00:06:36,900 --> 00:06:40,860 with higher overall power draw and thermals. 137 00:06:40,860 --> 00:06:41,700 Hence, 138 00:06:42,060 --> 00:06:44,400 the 2080 Ti is gonna be a great product, 139 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,100 not to mention extremely like shockingly heavy, 140 00:06:48,100 --> 00:06:52,100 twin fan vapor chamber cooler and the beefy power delivery 141 00:06:52,100 --> 00:06:55,180 on the Founders Edition designs this time around. 142 00:06:55,180 --> 00:06:56,440 You guys should let us know, by the way, 143 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,560 if you want us to dive into overclocking these cards 144 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,140 in a future video in the comments below. 145 00:07:01,140 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaking of future video, 146 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:07,020 surprisingly, NVENC got an update. 147 00:07:07,020 --> 00:07:09,260 So text is now more readable 148 00:07:09,260 --> 00:07:12,220 and there's less blocking than the 1080 Ti. 149 00:07:12,220 --> 00:07:14,640 It looks very similar to, 150 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,360 if not better than X264 on the fast preset. 151 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,500 So it looks like game streamers 152 00:07:20,500 --> 00:07:23,840 or anyone else who relies on high quality stream capture, 153 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,380 no longer needs to choose between quality and speed. 154 00:07:27,380 --> 00:07:29,620 And there's other cool features baked on board as well. 155 00:07:29,620 --> 00:07:32,800 Like the new VR link connector that handles both power 156 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,980 and high resolution video over a single USB type C cable 157 00:07:36,980 --> 00:07:39,260 for VR headsets. 158 00:07:39,260 --> 00:07:40,830 All right then. 159 00:07:40,830 --> 00:07:42,490 So what about DLSS? 160 00:07:42,730 --> 00:07:49,120 And where are the RTX on, RTX off comparisons? 161 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,660 Well, that's actually a really good question. 162 00:07:52,660 --> 00:07:56,540 So Battlefield V was delayed until late November. 163 00:07:56,540 --> 00:07:57,840 Shadow of the Tomb Raider, 164 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,720 which is out and is an RTX title, 165 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,660 is apparently getting the functionality added 166 00:08:02,660 --> 00:08:04,880 in a post-release patch. 167 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:09,440 But that's it then, right? 168 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:10,280 Wrong. 169 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,660 We weren't gonna give up on you guys that easy. 170 00:08:12,660 --> 00:08:15,000 So we reached out to a developer directly 171 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:15,580 with a game in the works, 172 00:08:15,580 --> 00:08:18,340 that supports both technologies. 173 00:08:18,340 --> 00:08:20,740 And they graciously agreed to come over 174 00:08:20,740 --> 00:08:24,840 and show off their beta exclusively for you guys. 175 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,600 Originally they did anyway. 176 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,860 So this is where showing off our shiny new hardware ends 177 00:08:30,860 --> 00:08:33,780 and the criticism begins. 178 00:08:33,780 --> 00:08:37,000 So they were forced to bail. 179 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,820 They couldn't give us any details, 180 00:08:38,820 --> 00:08:42,190 but if you wanna know what I think, 181 00:08:42,190 --> 00:08:46,110 I think it's that NVIDIA and more accurately RTX, 182 00:08:46,350 --> 00:08:47,650 they're not ready yet. 183 00:08:47,650 --> 00:08:51,670 I mean, to put the rushed last minute nature 184 00:08:51,670 --> 00:08:53,310 of this launch in perspective, 185 00:08:53,310 --> 00:08:58,090 we got our card and its driver at around noon on Friday, 186 00:08:58,090 --> 00:09:00,390 the 14th of September. 187 00:09:00,390 --> 00:09:04,670 This video goes up early in the morning on the 19th. 188 00:09:04,670 --> 00:09:08,170 That is at best 2.7 working days 189 00:09:08,170 --> 00:09:11,970 to evaluate the biggest graphics card launch in two years. 190 00:09:11,970 --> 00:09:14,770 And other publications that we've spoken with have confirmed 191 00:09:14,770 --> 00:09:16,150 that they were in a similar boat. 192 00:09:16,150 --> 00:09:20,370 So like, what are they doing? 193 00:09:20,370 --> 00:09:22,390 Is this someone high up in the chain 194 00:09:22,390 --> 00:09:24,130 having an executive moment? 195 00:09:24,130 --> 00:09:27,690 Is this them not wanting us to spend much time 196 00:09:27,690 --> 00:09:28,910 digging into these things? 197 00:09:28,910 --> 00:09:31,770 What purpose is served by rushing this launch? 198 00:09:31,770 --> 00:09:35,470 I mean, the thing too to consider is that it's not like AMD 199 00:09:35,470 --> 00:09:38,630 has anything to compete with the 1080 TI, 200 00:09:38,630 --> 00:09:40,530 let alone its successor. 201 00:09:40,530 --> 00:09:43,770 So I guess this is open letter to NVIDIA time. 202 00:09:43,770 --> 00:09:46,070 Guys, people ordered this thing 203 00:09:46,070 --> 00:09:51,070 on a promise and yeah, it's early days. 204 00:09:51,390 --> 00:09:53,490 Maybe things aren't quite polished yet. 205 00:09:53,490 --> 00:09:57,990 I get it, but you're clearly not ready to deliver. 206 00:09:57,990 --> 00:10:01,310 And frankly, this is the kind of 207 00:10:01,310 --> 00:10:03,490 that gives PC gaming a bad name. 208 00:10:03,490 --> 00:10:06,950 Shiny badges on the sides of boxes that at best 209 00:10:06,950 --> 00:10:09,570 are supported by a small handful of games 210 00:10:09,570 --> 00:10:13,870 or at worst flat out don't do anything. 211 00:10:13,870 --> 00:10:15,890 And that's what RTX is today. 212 00:10:15,890 --> 00:10:18,490 It doesn't do anything. 213 00:10:18,490 --> 00:10:21,830 So that's what I have to say, guys. 214 00:10:21,830 --> 00:10:24,370 I can't benchmark goals. 215 00:10:24,370 --> 00:10:27,350 I can't review future potential. 216 00:10:27,350 --> 00:10:29,650 I mean, honestly, given your track record, 217 00:10:29,650 --> 00:10:32,990 RTX will probably be pretty cool, 218 00:10:32,990 --> 00:10:37,990 but this whole situation is a ridiculous self-pwn here. 219 00:10:38,130 --> 00:10:41,590 Like outside of hopeless fan boys, when they buy something, 220 00:10:41,590 --> 00:10:44,890 people expect it to actually do what it says on the tin, 221 00:10:44,890 --> 00:10:45,910 or they expect to... 222 00:10:45,950 --> 00:10:49,110 at least be able to get a glimpse of what they're getting 223 00:10:49,110 --> 00:10:52,050 that hasn't been run through your own PR department. 224 00:10:52,050 --> 00:10:53,490 As it stands right now, 225 00:10:53,490 --> 00:10:56,230 the only tangible things that we can show our viewers, 226 00:10:56,230 --> 00:10:57,910 which are your customers, 227 00:10:57,910 --> 00:11:02,770 are the very much curated NVIDIA special DLSS build 228 00:11:02,770 --> 00:11:05,110 of the Final Fantasy 15 benchmark, 229 00:11:05,110 --> 00:11:07,070 and then a couple of ray tracing demos 230 00:11:07,070 --> 00:11:10,270 that tell us nothing about the real world 231 00:11:10,270 --> 00:11:14,020 before and after performance impact. 232 00:11:14,020 --> 00:11:15,300 I mean, we can stare at them, 233 00:11:15,300 --> 00:11:17,380 which is like, wow, such excite. 234 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,520 So like, it looks like it works, 235 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,700 and maybe this is what these features will look like 236 00:11:23,700 --> 00:11:26,540 in actual games, but who can say for sure 237 00:11:26,540 --> 00:11:29,780 when we can only test in a tightly controlled environment? 238 00:11:29,780 --> 00:11:32,540 So you're letting us run benchmarks, 239 00:11:32,540 --> 00:11:34,200 but you're still making it really hard 240 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,820 to recommend this thing for the function 241 00:11:36,820 --> 00:11:40,160 that is right in the name of the product, 242 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,680 because nobody without a speak about it 243 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:44,660 and we'll cut off your balls NDA, 244 00:11:44,660 --> 00:11:49,660 actually knows how well RTX works. 245 00:11:49,660 --> 00:11:54,050 So bottom line for you, the viewer then, 246 00:11:54,050 --> 00:11:56,130 these cards are strong performers, 247 00:11:56,130 --> 00:11:58,210 and that's really good both for them 248 00:11:58,210 --> 00:12:00,690 and for the upcoming lower end Turing cards 249 00:12:00,690 --> 00:12:04,130 that won't have RT or tensor cores, 250 00:12:04,130 --> 00:12:07,670 but we can't draw a real conclusion 251 00:12:07,670 --> 00:12:11,130 because this review is incomplete, 252 00:12:11,130 --> 00:12:15,810 just like the RTX 2000 series. 253 00:12:15,810 --> 00:12:17,010 But you know what's not incomplete? 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281 00:13:05,550 --> 00:13:08,510 Because the reality of it is, whether you buy it today 282 00:13:08,510 --> 00:13:09,690 or you buy it in two weeks, 283 00:13:09,690 --> 00:13:10,810 it's gonna be the same amount of time 284 00:13:10,810 --> 00:13:12,690 because you don't have it yet, 285 00:13:12,690 --> 00:13:14,980 even if you own the hardware. 286 00:13:14,980 --> 00:13:17,340 Anyway, also linked in the description is our merch store, 287 00:13:17,340 --> 00:13:18,580 which has cool shirts like this one 288 00:13:18,580 --> 00:13:20,720 and our community forum, which you should totally join. 289 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,240 It's like infuriating, you know? 290 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,380 It's like when you get like, 291 00:13:26,380 --> 00:13:27,900 it's like when you buy a new CPU, 292 00:13:27,900 --> 00:13:29,440 but the motherboard was out of stock 293 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,230 and you're just like, this does nothing. 294 00:13:33,230 --> 00:13:35,830 This does nothing until I have the rest of the pieces.