WEBVTT 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:09.840 everyone including us has recommended the AMD ryzen 5700 x3d for gaming on a 00:00:06.720 --> 00:00:12.160 budget at some point or another but like 00:00:09.840 --> 00:00:17.880 who wants to pay for a gaming PC that is out of date before you even click add to 00:00:14.440 --> 00:00:20.840 cart not you but fortunately there's a 00:00:17.880 --> 00:00:27.439 secret gaming CPU one that goes blow for blow with the 5700 x3d and sits on a 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:32.760 future ready platform and most importantly is cheaper meet the AMD 00:00:31.240 --> 00:00:37.480 ryzen 5 7500f we ran it through the Labs 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:41.680 Gauntlet to find out if this off menu CPU is the one budget-minded Gamers 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:48.480 should be targeting just like we're targeting you yes you Howard with this 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:50.840 segue to our sponsor seic give life to 00:00:48.480 --> 00:00:55.600 your build efficiently and reliably with a seic focus GX power supply you can 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:58.920 pick one up today using our Link in the video description 00:01:05.720 --> 00:01:12.200 the 7500f isn't exactly new so why are 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:17.320 we covering it now well the main reason is that unlike CPUs that come in retail 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:23.240 boxes this one is targeted at system Builders and bulk buyers and therefore 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:25.880 has mostly flown under our radar now you 00:01:23.240 --> 00:01:30.119 can find them on sites like New Egg but at the time of writing the most reliable 00:01:27.880 --> 00:01:35.880 place to get one for a good price seems to be AliExpress not exactly a 00:01:32.759 --> 00:01:38.399 mainstream us retailer but what is it 00:01:35.880 --> 00:01:45.759 well on paper it is strikingly similar to a ryzen 5 7600 non-x except that it 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:51.320 lacks onboard Graphics hence the- F suffix and hence the lower price there 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:57.119 are some compromises here compared to the 5700 X 3D it's got only about 00:01:54.079 --> 00:02:00.840 onethird of the cash none of AMD's 00:01:57.119 --> 00:02:03.799 amazing 3dv cach here and being OEM chip 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:09.319 it comes with no AMD direct warranty or box cooler but if you're willing to live 00:02:06.520 --> 00:02:15.239 on the edge it boosts nearly 1 GHz higher uses newer Zen 4 cores supports 00:02:12.440 --> 00:02:19.800 faster ddr5 memory and sits in a more modern am5 socket giving us room to 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:24.599 upgrade it in the future let's see how these differences manifest in gaming 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:31.560 starting with our test that best isolate CPU performance the 7500f does pretty 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:34.040 darn well it Trails the 600x and 5700 X 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:38.319 CD in games like cyber Punk and Shadow the Tomb Raider but on average it 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:42.280 remains within Striking Distance falling short by a smaller Gap than the price 00:02:40.760 --> 00:02:45.959 difference between those chips and that's kind of the worst case scenario 00:02:43.920 --> 00:02:52.040 in games where clock speed is King like rocket League the 7500 FC's a big lead 00:02:49.040 --> 00:02:54.879 of over 24% over its primary competitor 00:02:52.040 --> 00:02:59.560 and I say primary competitor cuz Intel still exists for now but it's hard to 00:02:57.440 --> 00:03:04.760 call them competition when we throw in some similarly priced chips from Team 00:03:01.440 --> 00:03:08.680 blue on the chart they do not put up a 00:03:04.760 --> 00:03:13.400 fight not a single one beats our 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:15.959 7500f even once even worse our other 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:21.440 secret value gaming monster the ryzen 8400f gets in on the Beatdown too often 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:27.959 available for just over $90 sometimes cheaper this almost an 00:03:24.319 --> 00:03:31.519 8600 G but without the igpu beats the 00:03:27.959 --> 00:03:34.680 more expensive 13400 F in all but one of 00:03:31.519 --> 00:03:37.120 our tests even then it was a draw for 1% 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:43.920 lows which I still considered to be a win even considering that the 8,400 f is 00:03:40.519 --> 00:03:46.640 on average about 20% slower than the 00:03:43.920 --> 00:03:52.159 7500f and even occasionally falls behind the older 5600x in games like F1 the 00:03:49.760 --> 00:03:57.159 price to Performance of this little fella is kind of outstanding and that 00:03:55.000 --> 00:04:02.079 positive look continues when we match our CPUs with gpus that might be a 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:06.920 little more price appropriate price appropriate like this quality stretchy 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:13.439 wicking button-up sport shirt from LTT Store.com fre as soon as we switch to a 00:04:10.079 --> 00:04:16.400 more reasonable 4060 class GPU both the 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:21.160 8400f and 7500f make us question why gamers are even bothering with gaming 00:04:18.320 --> 00:04:26.880 CPUs at all the 8400 does show its limitations more often but the 7500f 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:30.560 stays remarkably close to the old budget gaming King even pulling slightly ahead 00:04:29.440 --> 00:04:37.960 over overall at 1440p and matching the gold standard for 00:04:34.320 --> 00:04:40.880 PC gaming the 9800 x3d in cyberpunk and 00:04:37.960 --> 00:04:44.840 f124 of course a lot of this changes once we swap out our GPU which we know 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:50.199 from a lot of audience surveys is the most likely upgrade to an existing 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:52.199 system paired with a 470 super the 8400 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:58.000 starts to fall behind especially at 1080p where on average the 9800 x3d 00:04:55.320 --> 00:05:01.960 beats its 1% lows by 41% which is a lot 00:05:00.400 --> 00:05:07.360 even considering that it costs five times as much and remember it's more 00:05:04.479 --> 00:05:10.800 fair to compare the total system price versus the price of individual 00:05:08.880 --> 00:05:14.680 components when evaluating bang for the buck of a new pc purchase focusing back 00:05:12.960 --> 00:05:21.000 in on our head-to-head showdown between the 7500 F and the 5700 x3d they trade 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:27.759 blows with each other performing about 15% better than the 8400f with the 7500f 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:33.440 taking F1 in rocket league and the 5700 x3d holding strong and Punk and Shadow 00:05:30.520 --> 00:05:37.840 the Tomb Raider as we jump to 1440p the results are same same but with smaller 00:05:36.080 --> 00:05:43.560 gaps and by the time we make it all the way to 4K we're so GPU bound that even 00:05:40.960 --> 00:05:47.639 the 8400f is back within a margin of error of the gold standard now this is 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:53.199 where we had planned to end our testing but then we thought okay but what if we 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:57.800 switch over to an RTX 4090 for some legitimate 4K gaming that would 00:05:55.680 --> 00:06:03.000 obviously be a pretty imbalanced Choice given that the MSRP of that g GPU is 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:08.319 more than 10 times the cost of our 7500f but wouldn't you know it the 00:06:05.400 --> 00:06:15.039 little F gin that could is breathing down the neck of the 00:06:10.919 --> 00:06:18.440 9800 x3d in most games with the 1% lows 00:06:15.039 --> 00:06:20.599 of City skylines 2 being the only really 00:06:18.440 --> 00:06:26.280 meaningful performance difference across our UHD gaming testing but what is all 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:31.240 that mean well first of all while this isn't really news it means hot damn 00:06:28.880 --> 00:06:35.800 Intel y'all need to get it together while AMD has dominated the CPU gaming 00:06:33.840 --> 00:06:41.039 performance charts at both the mid-end and high-end for a while their budget 00:06:38.039 --> 00:06:43.960 lineup has withered to almost nothing 00:06:41.039 --> 00:06:47.800 leaving an opportunity for Intel an opportunity they should have taken while 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:53.039 they had it because now with these two stealthy budget ryons it's hard to see a 00:06:50.520 --> 00:06:56.360 single bright spot for team blue I mean we didn't even include the latest 00:06:54.639 --> 00:07:01.960 generation of core Ultra chips in our testing because there aren't any core 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:06.319 Ultra CPUs and compatible motherboards that are in a comparable price bracket 00:07:04.400 --> 00:07:10.639 that means that any Intel budget purchase is going to be on a dead 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:15.080 platform Yonkers but what about compared to AMD's 00:07:13.080 --> 00:07:20.520 own products should you be considering these effing cool 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:22.560 chips well yeah both offer strong real 00:07:20.520 --> 00:07:27.080 world performance as long as you can find one for the right price and while I 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:34.319 lean more towards recommending the 7500f as a long-term proposition for 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:37.240 gamers the 8400f is one of very few 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:41.680 quality sub $100 processors these days and could be a great way to game today 00:07:39.840 --> 00:07:47.599 if you're on a strict budget just be aware that someday and that day may 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:52.479 never come being limited to eight PCIe Gen 4 lanes for your GPU may make you 00:07:49.919 --> 00:07:56.840 feel the pinch making this one the less future proof of our options though of 00:07:55.199 --> 00:08:01.039 course that won't matter if the only future proofing you care about is 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:06.000 putting something you in your am5 socket sometime between now and 2027 when AMD 00:08:03.960 --> 00:08:11.919 says that this platform will be abandoned oh and there is one more thing 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:16.560 while AliExpress is pretty reliable these days we actually ordered a second 00:08:14.120 --> 00:08:21.360 chip off of New Egg just to make sure and 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