1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:09,840 everyone including us has recommended the AMD ryzen 5700 x3d for gaming on a 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:12,160 budget at some point or another but like 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:17,880 who wants to pay for a gaming PC that is out of date before you even click add to 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:20,840 cart not you but fortunately there's a 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:27,439 secret gaming CPU one that goes blow for blow with the 5700 x3d and sits on a 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:32,760 future ready platform and most importantly is cheaper meet the AMD 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:37,480 ryzen 5 7500f we ran it through the Labs 8 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:41,680 Gauntlet to find out if this off menu CPU is the one budget-minded Gamers 9 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:48,480 should be targeting just like we're targeting you yes you Howard with this 10 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:50,840 segue to our sponsor seic give life to 11 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:55,600 your build efficiently and reliably with a seic focus GX power supply you can 12 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:58,920 pick one up today using our Link in the video description 13 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:12,200 the 7500f isn't exactly new so why are 14 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:17,320 we covering it now well the main reason is that unlike CPUs that come in retail 15 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:23,240 boxes this one is targeted at system Builders and bulk buyers and therefore 16 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:25,880 has mostly flown under our radar now you 17 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:30,119 can find them on sites like New Egg but at the time of writing the most reliable 18 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:35,880 place to get one for a good price seems to be AliExpress not exactly a 19 00:01:32,759 --> 00:01:38,399 mainstream us retailer but what is it 20 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:45,759 well on paper it is strikingly similar to a ryzen 5 7600 non-x except that it 21 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:51,320 lacks onboard Graphics hence the- F suffix and hence the lower price there 22 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:57,119 are some compromises here compared to the 5700 X 3D it's got only about 23 00:01:54,079 --> 00:02:00,840 onethird of the cash none of AMD's 24 00:01:57,119 --> 00:02:03,799 amazing 3dv cach here and being OEM chip 25 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:09,319 it comes with no AMD direct warranty or box cooler but if you're willing to live 26 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:15,239 on the edge it boosts nearly 1 GHz higher uses newer Zen 4 cores supports 27 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:19,800 faster ddr5 memory and sits in a more modern am5 socket giving us room to 28 00:02:17,879 --> 00:02:24,599 upgrade it in the future let's see how these differences manifest in gaming 29 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:31,560 starting with our test that best isolate CPU performance the 7500f does pretty 30 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:34,040 darn well it Trails the 600x and 5700 X 31 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:38,319 CD in games like cyber Punk and Shadow the Tomb Raider but on average it 32 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:42,280 remains within Striking Distance falling short by a smaller Gap than the price 33 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:45,959 difference between those chips and that's kind of the worst case scenario 34 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:52,040 in games where clock speed is King like rocket League the 7500 FC's a big lead 35 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:54,879 of over 24% over its primary competitor 36 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:59,560 and I say primary competitor cuz Intel still exists for now but it's hard to 37 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:04,760 call them competition when we throw in some similarly priced chips from Team 38 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:08,680 blue on the chart they do not put up a 39 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:13,400 fight not a single one beats our 40 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:15,959 7500f even once even worse our other 41 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:21,440 secret value gaming monster the ryzen 8400f gets in on the Beatdown too often 42 00:03:18,879 --> 00:03:27,959 available for just over $90 sometimes cheaper this almost an 43 00:03:24,319 --> 00:03:31,519 8600 G but without the igpu beats the 44 00:03:27,959 --> 00:03:34,680 more expensive 13400 F in all but one of 45 00:03:31,519 --> 00:03:37,120 our tests even then it was a draw for 1% 46 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:43,920 lows which I still considered to be a win even considering that the 8,400 f is 47 00:03:40,519 --> 00:03:46,640 on average about 20% slower than the 48 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:52,159 7500f and even occasionally falls behind the older 5600x in games like F1 the 49 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:57,159 price to Performance of this little fella is kind of outstanding and that 50 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:02,079 positive look continues when we match our CPUs with gpus that might be a 51 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:06,920 little more price appropriate price appropriate like this quality stretchy 52 00:04:04,599 --> 00:04:13,439 wicking button-up sport shirt from LTT Store.com fre as soon as we switch to a 53 00:04:10,079 --> 00:04:16,400 more reasonable 4060 class GPU both the 54 00:04:13,439 --> 00:04:21,160 8400f and 7500f make us question why gamers are even bothering with gaming 55 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:26,880 CPUs at all the 8400 does show its limitations more often but the 7500f 56 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:30,560 stays remarkably close to the old budget gaming King even pulling slightly ahead 57 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:37,960 over overall at 1440p and matching the gold standard for 58 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:40,880 PC gaming the 9800 x3d in cyberpunk and 59 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:44,840 f124 of course a lot of this changes once we swap out our GPU which we know 60 00:04:43,199 --> 00:04:50,199 from a lot of audience surveys is the most likely upgrade to an existing 61 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:52,199 system paired with a 470 super the 8400 62 00:04:50,199 --> 00:04:58,000 starts to fall behind especially at 1080p where on average the 9800 x3d 63 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:01,960 beats its 1% lows by 41% which is a lot 64 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:07,360 even considering that it costs five times as much and remember it's more 65 00:05:04,479 --> 00:05:10,800 fair to compare the total system price versus the price of individual 66 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:14,680 components when evaluating bang for the buck of a new pc purchase focusing back 67 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:21,000 in on our head-to-head showdown between the 7500 F and the 5700 x3d they trade 68 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:27,759 blows with each other performing about 15% better than the 8400f with the 7500f 69 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:33,440 taking F1 in rocket league and the 5700 x3d holding strong and Punk and Shadow 70 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:37,840 the Tomb Raider as we jump to 1440p the results are same same but with smaller 71 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:43,560 gaps and by the time we make it all the way to 4K we're so GPU bound that even 72 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:47,639 the 8400f is back within a margin of error of the gold standard now this is 73 00:05:45,759 --> 00:05:53,199 where we had planned to end our testing but then we thought okay but what if we 74 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:57,800 switch over to an RTX 4090 for some legitimate 4K gaming that would 75 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:03,000 obviously be a pretty imbalanced Choice given that the MSRP of that g GPU is 76 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:08,319 more than 10 times the cost of our 7500f but wouldn't you know it the 77 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:15,039 little F gin that could is breathing down the neck of the 78 00:06:10,919 --> 00:06:18,440 9800 x3d in most games with the 1% lows 79 00:06:15,039 --> 00:06:20,599 of City skylines 2 being the only really 80 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:26,280 meaningful performance difference across our UHD gaming testing but what is all 81 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:31,240 that mean well first of all while this isn't really news it means hot damn 82 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:35,800 Intel y'all need to get it together while AMD has dominated the CPU gaming 83 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:41,039 performance charts at both the mid-end and high-end for a while their budget 84 00:06:38,039 --> 00:06:43,960 lineup has withered to almost nothing 85 00:06:41,039 --> 00:06:47,800 leaving an opportunity for Intel an opportunity they should have taken while 86 00:06:45,319 --> 00:06:53,039 they had it because now with these two stealthy budget ryons it's hard to see a 87 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:56,360 single bright spot for team blue I mean we didn't even include the latest 88 00:06:54,639 --> 00:07:01,960 generation of core Ultra chips in our testing because there aren't any core 89 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:06,319 Ultra CPUs and compatible motherboards that are in a comparable price bracket 90 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:10,639 that means that any Intel budget purchase is going to be on a dead 91 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:15,080 platform Yonkers but what about compared to AMD's 92 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:20,520 own products should you be considering these effing cool 93 00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:22,560 chips well yeah both offer strong real 94 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:27,080 world performance as long as you can find one for the right price and while I 95 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:34,319 lean more towards recommending the 7500f as a long-term proposition for 96 00:07:29,879 --> 00:07:37,240 gamers the 8400f is one of very few 97 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:41,680 quality sub $100 processors these days and could be a great way to game today 98 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:47,599 if you're on a strict budget just be aware that someday and that day may 99 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:52,479 never come being limited to eight PCIe Gen 4 lanes for your GPU may make you 100 00:07:49,919 --> 00:07:56,840 feel the pinch making this one the less future proof of our options though of 101 00:07:55,199 --> 00:08:01,039 course that won't matter if the only future proofing you care about is 102 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:06,000 putting something you in your am5 socket sometime between now and 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