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designed in California

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Apple versus epic it's a battle for the

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ages or at least this age when we all

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have mobile devices running specialized operating systems that can run apps that

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read data from Internet connected servers on the other side of the world

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imagine explaining that to someone from the olden times you see Demetrius you

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can't just go buy an abacus from the Abacus store use it to calculate how

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much grain you'll have for the winter and forget about it because the Abacus

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is itself a store and 30 from each bead

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that you buy goes to the guy that made the Abacus and that's only for the beads

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that guy allows you to buy and also uh some of those beads are themselves tiny

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abacuses that are also stores

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okay fine that was a really dumb analogy but it does show how hard it is to

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illustrate the relationship between markets stores and products especially

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as those things become less physical and more virtual entities that we access

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through the unlimited internet portals we're all carrying in our pockets

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but are they really unlimited according to fortnite developer epic

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games they're not thanks to Apple and Google's restrictive App Store policies

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30 standard Revenue cut and alleged dirty attempts to stifle competition

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that's why epic sued both of them in August 2020 and spent months preparing

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for a convoluted and hilarious trial with apple that ultimately ended with a

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near total loss for epic causing CEO Tim

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Sweeney to climb a mountain and think about his life choices but this story is

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far from over partly because everyone yes even Apple who won is appealing the

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ruling because the Google trial hasn't even begun yet and also because this

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fight isn't just about cheaper Ariana Grande skins in fortnite it's about

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questions like who controls our devices should phones just be tiny PCS is a

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naked banana man not safe for work and it's all part of a larger battle

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going on all over the world the battle

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for Apple's soul

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the Titans epic games and apple went to federal court today epic alleges that

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the App Store is a monopoly how much agency do developers have they

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don't want to pay 30 Apple could win and the decision could change the entire app

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world extremely competitive behavior that is

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very successful winds up looking a lot like anti-competitive Behavior I don't

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know if you want to think like really really wild worst case scenarios it's

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that Apple decides that it doesn't want to allow third-party apps anymore to

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truly comprehend this story we first have to understand not only what an

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iPhone is but what Apple thinks it is because let me tell you epic thinks it's

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something completely different okay they're just on completely different

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wavelengths here so this

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is an iPhone artisan

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handheld Computing device made by friendly hipster savants at Apple it

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runs apps which you can download exclusively from Apple's iOS app store

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where Apple takes a sizeable cut of all in-app purchases of digital Goods while

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there are ways to jailbreak an iPhone so you can get apps directly from the web

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or other app stores if you do that Apple will void your warranty because you see

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only apple is capable of determining what software is safe or appropriate to

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install on their I mean your iPhone compare that to any

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other smartphone which could be made by any one of the dozens of companies that

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spit these out on a semi-annual basis slapping the Android operating system on

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them as they're pushed out the door Google would prefer you get your apps

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from their own Play Store where they also take a cut but they don't View

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getting apps from Samsung's Galaxy store or Amazon's Android app store or even

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directly from the web as an excommunical sin Google has made escalating attempts

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to collect licensing fees from Android device makers but at its core Android is

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still open source that's why you can find it in Smart TV boxes cameras cars

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watches refrigerators and it's relatively easy for tinkerers to tinkle

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with any one of them and figure out a way to run Doom

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so use this for that but in their tinkle friendliness both iOS and Android pale

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in comparison to truly generalized open ecosystem Computing platforms like Linux

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Windows and yes even macOS many

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enthusiasts want nothing more than for mobile computers to behave just like

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desktop ones none more so than Apple and

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Google's Public Enemy Number One hey I'm Sweeney tinkerer extraordinaire whether

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it's taking apart a lawnmower as a five-year-old

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unsupervised or attempting to take apart entire markets the man clearly needs to

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get his fingers in there figure out how something works and then build it better

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and optimally in a way that Nets him some extra cheddah or at least that's

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the cynical view here like obviously epic's lawsuits are at least partially

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motivated by the search for more money but I think it's clear Tim isn't just

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trying to Jeff bezos's way to space because if he were why would he lead

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epic games on this long and perilous Journey taking on the world's largest

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tech companies with one of the most Bonkers legal strategies ever seen you

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want to make some money all you got to do is buy some nfts and wait in 10 years

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you'll be swimming in offers for the thing you would whatever the that

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is hence because of who Tim Sweeney is I

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think it's clear that there's also an ideological Factor here A belief that

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the iPhone as Apple conceives of it should not even exist

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we have to dig deeper it's time to go back to how this all started it's time

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to go back to the original tackling set they're kicking us out of here come on I

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couldn't have five more minutes you've had six months ah let's take longer baby

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all right in the summer of 2020 epic

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games set out to trap itself some tech Giants you may be familiar with the

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story by now epic added an option in the mobile versions of fortnite to buy

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in-game currency V bucks directly from epic at a discount bypassing the 30 cut

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in apple and Google's Payment Systems the message to Consumers look that swoop

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to whoop dance emote could be cheaper if Apple and Google kept their grubby Paws

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to themselves Apple and Google promptly booted fortnite from their app stores

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for breaking the terms of service triggering epics epic trap observe now a

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dramatic reenactment

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they fell victim to one of the classic blunders and it really it hurt them

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really bad look oh he's that's not gonna

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heal up right away

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these lawsuits would be dissected and argued about for months to come but this

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is epic's case in a nutshell here is the market for mobile devices okay neither

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Apple nor Google have a monopoly here they compete with each other that's fine

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okay but epic argues that iPhones and

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Android phones aren't just products they're also sub-markets where

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developers compete to offer apps that's what those little squares are I can't I

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can't draw down here Apple and Google do

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have effective monopolies in their respective mobile app sub-markets and

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they enforce this duopoly through anti-competitive action on iOS this

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means the blocking of side loading and third-party app stores and payment

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processors on Android using third-party app stores and side loading are allowed

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but it often involves an onerous process full of scary warnings ooh on top of

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that Google has been accused of making Shady deals to obstruct anyone trying to

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take a shot at the big boss now Epic wants these barriers to competition

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removed so they can launch a proper mobile version of the epic game store

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which would presumably take the same 12 percent cut that it does on PC if that

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route fails then they could settle for the right to use a third-party payment

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processor in iOS or Play store apps

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something that's actually already allowed if your app sells physical goods

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or services like Amazon or Uber either of these options having your own app

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store or payment processor would let epic and other developers avoid paying

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the 30 cut or so epic thought legally

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Apple may still have the right to a commission on in-app purchases as a way

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to benefit from their intellectual property if the judge rules that way

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so remember epic views an iPhone as

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basically a little PC it's Hardware that

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happens to run Apple's mobile OS a thought that makes about as much sense

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to Apple as a drowning fish because to Apple iPhone is a singular entity

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created when a meticulously crafted body is imbued with the breath of life that

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is oh

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it's iOS ah

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what epic criticizes as restrictions are

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in actuality features of the iPhone

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those strict limits enable the iPhone security ease of use for both developers

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and users and tasteful curation of the

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vast chaos of Internet content Apple may

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have a monopoly on the iOS apps distribution Market but they argue

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that's not a valid sub-market when the

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App Store is what makes iOS iOS

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it epic says Apple's restricting user

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Choice Apple says those users have already made the choice to buy an iPhone

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you want to sideload get an Android don't buy a blender and complain that it

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sucks a grilling steak we got a visual for that

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ah gross now back to the story after

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epic dropped their declaration of war there were multiple skirmishes epic

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tried to mobilize its large mostly young player base against apple with a very

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tasteful hashtag free fortnite tournament Apple tried to ban epic's

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developer accounts which would have screwed over any game using Unreal

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engines okay buddy was big mad and other

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big tech companies were subpoenaed for documents leading to a delightful

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exchange where Apple asked valve for price and sales data for over 30 000

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Steam games and in-game items including every price change since 2015 and valve

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was like LOL we don't have that you

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think we're keeping track our CEO went full Lebowski and moved to Middle Earth

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this isn't JP morganster this is a Wendy's many gamers cheered from the

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metaphorical bleachers as one of the pioneers of the PC gaming industry took

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on the Californian Tech cult thank you

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those who weren't still pissed about epic games snagging exclusive games away

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from Steam anyways but even if you think an epic win against Apple would be good

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for the mobile industry it's important to note here that epics trap wasn't just

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over the top as a legal strategy it was also a questionable move at best here's

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what business attorney and my favorite YouTuber while I was researching the

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story Richard Hogue had to say that epic had an expert that effectively said

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Apple was okay before 2010 and even

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though they didn't change their rules at all they didn't change what we're talking about here it became illegal

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based on their operating system market share and that's a tough Pace to bring

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see apple hadn't significantly changed anything about how the App Store Works

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epic seemingly just decided at some

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arbitrary point that the rules they had agreed to follow when they signed the

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iOS Developer agreement were bad now in fact they were illegal so it's fine to

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break them and withhold that 30 of fortnite Revenue however however as epic

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was about to find out the law doesn't really care whether you think it should

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be illegal to imprison animals in a pet store you can't break in and let them

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loose in a shopping mall we talked about this Sarah but there

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cute who are these people where do we find

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questionable legal strategy or no on May 3rd 2021 the trial of epic games versus

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Apple finally commenced presided over by

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judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers who had also adjudicated a couple previous cases

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against Apple but I doubt she was prepared for the hundreds of fortnite

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players who spammed the trials call-in line leading to the first 20 minutes of

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the trial being dominated by gems like this oh yo we want mobile badge Bros

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I don't care if Apple's saying you under the belt I don't care who wins just

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bring mobile back oh yeah subscribe to my YouTube Justin XO yes and I subscribe

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to you that's my favorite one fortnite battle

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Giovanni Gonzalez mobile I'm gonna play Travis Scott chill

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oh those Rascals the call-in incident

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was an omen this wasn't going to be some dry corporate litigation this was the

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free fortnite lawsuit Addie Robertson who somehow had the mental fortitude to

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live tweet almost the entire three-week trial described it thusly it was

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complicated you'd have one day where people are talking about the subtleties

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of whether the iPhone is like electricity and then another day where

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Tim Sweeney just goes off about like the metaverse and his Ambitions for fortnite

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we had one morning that was just a very long tutorial for how to use fortnite

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from Apple weirdly enough especially in the early trial it was just a really

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weird free-for-all but they would just go after completely random directions

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like the point where like epic was worried that Apple was saying that one

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of its characters was naked if it was a banana that wasn't wearing a suit and

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that they were trying to make clear in court the character is not actually

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graphically naked the trial also served as a sort of Gossip column for the tech

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industry thanks to loads of confidential documents shown as evidence revealing

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that Sony wanted money to enable crossplay and Microsoft got PC streaming

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apps Shadow suspended from the app store oh honey

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tea was spilled but of course there were some developments that were a bit more

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on topic and usually made Apple look worse than epic for example epic thinks

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Apple can afford to lower the 30 cut which makes sense given that the iOS app

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store made an estimated 50 billion dollars in 2019 and 64 billion in 2020

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but the reason those are estimates is because Apple lumps its App Store

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Revenue in with its services Revenue an apple executive Phil Schiller refused to

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get more specific telling the court that neither he nor anyone at Apple knows

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whether the App Store is actually profitable although they don't deny that

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it likely is okay Phil

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testimony seemed even more suspect given internal emails from 2011 where he

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predicted App Store competition would eventually make apple lower the default

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30 cut and even suggested they lower it to 20 if they can maintain 1 billion in

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yearly Revenue well I mean

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you made it guys but epic faced scrutiny too like why

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didn't they target the makers of gaming consoles which are also closed

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ecosystems that take a 30 cut of all transactions and they don't even allow

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side loading like Android epic says well consoles often don't actually turn a

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profit so that 30 is all they get and they're gaming specific devices while

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phones are pretty general purpose what they didn't say is probably closer to

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the truth that getting fortnite banned from consoles would massively hurt

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epic's bottom line and they have better relationships with those companies

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anyways suing your friends usually makes

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things pretty awkward just ask Andrew Garfield from The Social Network I was

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your only friend get one friend did you see that movie

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he was great in Spider-Man one of my favorite parts of the trial

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was am I a meme yet Craig federighi's

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testimony I don't know anything about what you're talking about epic pointed

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out that Apple has no problem allowing side loading on macOS and in response

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Craig threw macOS under the bus saying

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the same system on iOS it would get run over even worse than macOS you see

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according to federigi the Mac is like a car capable of being safely navigated

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through the apocalyptic Wasteland of malware on the Internet by capable

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drivers who know the risks while the iPhone and iPad are devices children

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heck even infants can operate like yes

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this is good because it's the phone for infants so capable adults should just

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accept that their thousand dollar phone is basically a Fisher-Price toy which is

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an argument I feel like it just doesn't make outside this it is more than

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willing to talk up the iPhone as being a full-featured work device and it's like

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kind of weird to hear it make the argument that the iPhone really should

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only be used by people who do not want to think about what they're doing with

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their Computing devices stories like this coming out of the trial made Apple

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look bad in the public eye but looking bad isn't illegal unless you show up to

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my cocktail party in Crocs and a turtleneck I will press charges when

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judge Rogers finally handed down her verdict on September 10th 2021 the

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ruling was described as either a crushing defeat or a resounding victory

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for either side depending on which article you read see apple won on all

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counts meaning epic would have to pay millions of dollars for breaching the

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App Store rules but Rogers found Apple

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in violation of California's unfair competition law for its anti-steering

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rules and ordered Apple to allow developers to put buttons external links

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or other calls to action directing users to payment methods other than Apple's

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in-app purchasing you did it Tim Sweeney

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nice one Mr Sweeney you're not happy about this

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uh the iPhone isn't a PC

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it's still an iPhone as expected both epic and apple appealed the ruling since

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a gigachad corporation doesn't just lay down and accept a split decision because

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they're not a beta okay okay epic did pay Apple what they owed

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but Apple requested a stay on the buttons order which was eventually

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granted one day before they would have been forced to make changes to the App

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Store meaning as of this moment this

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trial has directly changed basically nothing fortnite is still

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banned from the App Store and both parties are now waiting for the next

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hearing although fortnite is sort of back on iOS right now in the form of a

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closed beta for the touch controls version available on the GeForce now web

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app it has got to be a frustrating situation for epic but as many legal

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experts have pointed out it's not a surprising outcome because epic isn't

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defending itself from a bear attack it went up to the bear asleep in its cave

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and jabbed it in the eye so epic comes in with a little bit of that baggage

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where they say we had to breach this contract in order to bring this case and

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the judge tells them three separate times no we've got tons of law that says

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you don't have to breach this contract to claim the contract's illegal you can still operate under the contract and

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have this case and so when you complain about all these fortnite players that

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don't get to play it on iOS and I tell you you don't have to breach this contract you can go back to normal and

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also if you're really worried about Apple stealing your money we can put that money in escrow and nobody gets

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that money until the court case is settled what do you think epic and epic says no oh okay to contrast my boy Hogue

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brought up Microsoft and NVIDIA who had their game streaming apps for iOS

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rejected on pretty nebulous grounds apparently it's fine for Netflix to

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stream a library of movies and shows but if you're streaming games each one must

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be individually listed as App Store titles unless you're streaming those

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same games from your own local Xbox console or PC that's that's way

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different and totally fine hey have you considered an apple arcade subscription

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instead see that wrongful rejection case

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would be a solid one to bring to court but why go through the trouble when

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you've got an epic games in the mix what we've seen instead is that Microsoft is

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writing piggyback on Epic and saying well if epic wins that's fine with us

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because we're putting game pass on everything and if they don't win we've got our Xbox and so Microsoft is playing

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a very strategic game with what they're doing with respect to Epic and playing

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it either way but I think they would have been a stronger plaintiff if they

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wanted to be it seems that rather than getting their own hands dirty bigger

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companies like my Microsoft and NVIDIA are perfectly happy to let Firebrand Tim

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Sweeney try to take the world's most profitable company down a pig which

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makes Apple's accusations that Microsoft is the real brains of epics operation

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sounds slightly less paranoid but why is

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Mr Sweeney such a perfect character to use for this cage match the answer isn't

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his Advanced moveset it's his interesting backstory as early as 2017

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Tim Sweeney was using his company to criticize the 30 cut taken not just by

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Apple and Google's Mobile stores but by other software platforms like steam a

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critique that was shared by most game developers and it wasn't all talk either

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the epic game store was launched in 2018 with only a fraction of steam's

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functionality but with a default 12 Revenue cut in an obvious attempt to

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disrupt valve's dominant position in the PC gaming industry angering many gamers

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who actually like having most of their games all in one place thank you very

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much but also exerting pressure on valve who lowered their cut of steam revenue

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for games already making a lot of money and we've already said epic's double

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lawsuit attack was a weird move but it

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wasn't actually its first attempt to disrupt Mobile gaming it initially tried

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to do the same thing that basically every major game publisher has done on

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Windows released their own game launcher as a direct download outside the

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official app store should be no problem as long as Android is the open source

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tinkle-friendly OS it claims to be right

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yeah no according to epic's legal filings

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citing Google's internal documents Google was so focused on preventing Epic

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from launching fortnite outside the play store that it formed a fortnight task

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force that met daily epic says Google

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pressured OnePlus LG and Samsung to back

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out of deals to pre-install the epic games app on their phones and Google

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also publicized a security flaw found in the fortnite Launcher app even though

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epic was already rolling out a fix Google even considered buying out the

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smaller company epic had had enough in

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April 2020 just a few months before the V bucketing they finally gave in and

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released fortnite on the Play Store I mean at this point faced with one mobile

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app store that made it impossible to compete and another that made it

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practically impossible you'd think old Tim would give up

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huh yeah right Tim would make the iPhone

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into a PC even if it meant embarking on one of the most dangerous missions ever

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attempted by man

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bam in July 2020 a document is presented to

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the epic games board of directors it describes project Liberty a multi-stage

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plan to end the anti-competitive 30 tax

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on the iOS app store and Google Play Store by embarking on an aggressive and

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sustained legal and media campaign until platform fees are lowered apps are

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allowed to use their own payment platform or third-party app stores are

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allowed on mobile epic acknowledges they might lose revenue and access to their

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customers if fortnite is banned from the App Stores and that apple and Google's

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retaliatory PR campaigns could turn players against epic but those are all

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risks epic was willing to take because the time is now

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but why is the time now the thing that

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mostly I keep coming back to is that whatever epics motives there are a bunch

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of other companies other activists and Regulators that all have really similar

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complaints against Apple even if you think that epic is acting completely

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cynically it's a case that has relevance to so many parties outside epic that

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it's worth paying attention to see the point in time that epic made their move

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wasn't arbitrary at all 2020 had seen a

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rising wave of antitrust investigations into Google Apple and Facebook and

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project Liberty makes it sound like epic wanted to get ahead of the bandwagon and

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have a hand in shaping The Narrative rather than being at the mercy of some

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eventual government regulation the other thing driving epic to make their move

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was the hot buzzword of 2021 the

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metaverse what is it even the people riding an

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unhealthy amount of articles about it don't know but Tim Sweeney does it's the

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future of fortnite and a way for epic to make back some of the ship loads of cash

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they invested in their game store oh look I mean they want money like

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obviously their company they want money like I don't know I think maybe the most

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sort of revealing moment is that they were talking about how they want to

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build fortnite into a metaverse and eventually that means they want that

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metaverse to involve a whole economy that's like Creator based that people

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paying each other and if you think that epic wants to create the social space

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that comes after the web or the internet having to give Apple a cut of that is

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really not good for them if you're nerdy enough to be watching this far into the

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video you probably know that the term metaverse refers to a persistent virtual

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Universe with interconnected 3D spaces serving as an analog to the real world

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but for everyone else the metaverse is

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the internet just deeper in the future

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you'll still interact with the internet through web browsers apps and games but

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you'll also do it through VR and AR metaverse platforms made by Facebook I

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am not calling the meta or apple or if

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they get what they want epic games one could argue the closest thing to a

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metaverse we have now is the absolute phenomenon Roblox which is made up

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entirely of a Marketplace of user generated experiences that they suddenly

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stopped calling games during apple and epics trial because under the App Store

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rules games like fortnite can't host a

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Creator Marketplace leading to a very interesting and very subjective debate

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over what a game even is in the year of

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Our Lord 2021. under the current App Store Paradigm 30 of every transaction

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made by iOS users in epics fortnite metaverse would go to Apple and that

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epic games cannot abide seeing just how

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much money is on the line for epic here make makes it easier to understand why

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they would go to such extreme lengths in a fight against much more powerful

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opponents but that once again leads us to the question is epic just in this for

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the money do you wait to do what you claim to think is the right thing until

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it's most advantageous to you I think they are marketing their product and

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their services their marketing their personalities and their CEO and they're

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also marketing to legislatures to say hey look at how this is going Apple

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might win on the law as it stands now it's time to change that law that might

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be their end game because you only need to win in a smattering of jurisdictions

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to make it very difficult for Apple or Google to operate a unified platform

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without taking into account these various jurisdictions like I said in my

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deep dive on Star Citizen let's save that one for later if you haven't seen

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it no one can truly know anyone else's

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real motivations epic may just be trying

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to grab all the legendary loot on the map but the fact remains that they

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didn't manufacture all all that negative sentiment towards apple and Google's

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Mobile payment to wobble both from the public and other companies that have

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been burned by Apple's policies email services protonmail and base camp have

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criticized Apple's tendency to say they want everyone to play by the same rules

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but then make special deals with big companies and block app updates from

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smaller developers who are using the same non-apple billing tactics as

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Netflix a little company called Floatplane comes to mind you've got companies

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like tile and developers like Costa eleftherio who created Innovative

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products that were made obsolete when Apple released their own version this

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happens so often there's a word for it sherlocking and then you got big boys

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like Spotify who filed an Anti-Trust complaint with the EU called Apple's

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payment restrictions anti-competitive abuse and made a whole website dedicated

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to charting Apple's inability to play fair Microsoft is also clearly an epics

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Camp copying their 12 cut in the Microsoft store and suggesting that

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governments investigate Apple and Google for antitrust with which is especially

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Rich when you remember that Microsoft narrowly avoided being broken up after

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it was found guilty of using Monopoly power to suppress competition with

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Internet Explorer in 2001. they must have a short memory because a little

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while ago they were trying to force Windows users to use Edge once again see

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there's no good guys here but with so

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many rooting against Apple the End Game Richard was talking about may be on the

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horizon because even before this case's verdict was handed down Apple made a

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number of incremental changes to its App Store it reduced its App Store cut to 15

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for developers making less than one million dollars a year which affects

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less than five percent of Apple's App Store Revenue but they like fine a

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settlement from a different lawsuit led to Apple allowing developers to email

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their users about alternative payment options South Korea passed a law forcing

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Tech platforms to allow third-party payment options in their app stores and

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apple allowed reader apps like Netflix and Spotify to link directly from their

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app to their website to pay for a subscription something that they just

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kind of hinted at before like you can't pay here well where should I pay I'm

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sure you could figure it out Google has made similar changes before their trial

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has even begun they've got their own Small Business program they dropped

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Google Play service fees to 15 for all subscriptions and even lower for

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developers who optimize their apps for multiple device form factors so that

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according to Google 99 of developers qualify for a service fee of 15 or less

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Google also complied with South Korea's third party payments law before Apple

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did although they still take a cut albeit smaller of Google Play

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transactions handled by a third party which is also how apple is expected to

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handle it Apple's still taking 27 percent of

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third-party payments in the Netherlands meanwhile these slow turning wheels of

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government action on antitrust are spinning a bit faster now with

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challenges to NVIDIA's acquisition of ARM which actually may have already been

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canceled by the time this video comes out there's also challenges to facebook slash meta's acquisition of oculus and

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collusion with Google on digital ads popping up alongside proposed bills that

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would limit the ways big Tech can give their own Services preferential

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treatment so whether or not epic ends up

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directly benefiting from this lawsuit the wins are changing and it is still

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very much the beginning of this fight will it end with iOS and Android

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becoming more like macOS and Windows but squished into a tinier device

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I don't know there's still the Epic versus Google trial which honestly epic

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probably has a better shot in since Android is at least supposed to be an

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open platform so cheer up Tim you might

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just destroy the abstract concept of an iPhone yet

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keep calm tinkle on

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uh was this one longer I don't know I think it might turn out to be longer

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than the first one I can't believe they let me make another one uh subscribe to

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techlinked if you want more stuff like this subscribe to they're just movies

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it's a movie podcast I could say ShortCircuit but I won't