WEBVTT 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:05.040 Windows running on 00:00:03.520 --> 00:00:10.080 an xbox wait that's illegal 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:13.920 also it's fake there's a laptop down there but what's not fake 00:00:12.559 --> 00:00:19.760 is this it looks like any other pc motherboard 00:00:16.400 --> 00:00:21.039 but if we look closely we find 00:00:19.760 --> 00:00:27.119 ah an AMD a9 9820 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:34.000 the very same soc found in the xbox one s and supposedly this 00:00:30.560 --> 00:00:35.360 thing actually can run Windows 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:39.920 so how does that work 00:00:37.120 --> 00:00:46.559 and is it any good well as you'd expect from any product called the funhouse a9 00:00:43.360 --> 00:00:48.800 a9820 there are some surprises 00:00:46.559 --> 00:00:53.600 but i don't want to spoil them now do i not like i spoil you guys with segues to 00:00:51.120 --> 00:00:57.520 sponsors like glasswire glasswire is the tool that shows you which apps are 00:00:55.039 --> 00:01:04.079 slowing down your connection in real time get 25 off today using offer code 00:01:00.239 --> 00:01:04.079 Linus at the link down below 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:20.080 where do i even start this thing is so weird first things first we've got our 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:22.799 CPU but actually it's the CPU GPU and 00:01:20.080 --> 00:01:27.600 more like it's more of an soc except that the board does have some kind of 00:01:25.520 --> 00:01:32.159 southbridge chipset that probably handles things like these SATA ports for 00:01:30.080 --> 00:01:38.560 example this is also an AMD chip down there it's got ddr3 memory four slots 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:43.759 probably dual channel i would guess but we'll find out soon enough but then it's 00:01:40.720 --> 00:01:45.600 got an m.2 so it has like modern 00:01:43.759 --> 00:01:51.759 features but also super out of date features and i mean 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:55.759 there's almost no pci express connectivity we've got whatever's 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:59.520 linking it to this chipset down here four lanes for m.2 i mean presumably we 00:01:58.320 --> 00:02:05.119 don't even know for sure there's actually four lanes there and then 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:07.840 another one lane for this puppy and 00:02:05.119 --> 00:02:12.720 i would assume that this much usb and Ethernet is probably handled directly 00:02:10.399 --> 00:02:18.160 off of the soc or off of this chipset over here so just four usb twos two usb 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:22.800 threes and gigabit lan i was about to say i love that the memory slots are on 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:27.360 either side of the CPU like an hedt platform but you know what i think it is 00:02:24.959 --> 00:02:32.160 it's probably because this soc was designed with the idea of RAM being 00:02:29.920 --> 00:02:36.560 soldered to the board around it so in order to have the traces make sense 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:41.840 you have to have them on either side like that oh man this thing is so weird 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:45.760 oh that's weird it looks like the board is actually 00:02:43.760 --> 00:02:50.400 designed upside down 00:02:47.440 --> 00:02:54.000 so whatever the intended use of this was it would have been in like an inverted 00:02:52.879 --> 00:03:02.000 case you can actually see everything from the front panel to even just the silk screen 00:02:57.599 --> 00:03:02.840 text on the pcb is all this way up okay 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:07.280 so it's lga 11 5 x 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:12.720 1200 except for one small problem 00:03:10.640 --> 00:03:16.800 it's nowhere near making contact with the chip 00:03:14.959 --> 00:03:21.840 even Noctua's mounting mechanism won't save us we're not 00:03:19.760 --> 00:03:25.760 are we mounting it with zip ties zip ties and down force 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:32.959 before we do that though there are a few more weird things there's a ton of what 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:35.040 appear to be probe points in the vrm so 00:03:32.959 --> 00:03:40.720 where you would take a multimeter and probe voltages there are two m.2 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:44.480 selector jumpers curiously silk screened the other way around this may be because 00:03:42.720 --> 00:03:49.040 of a different revision of the board that had two m.2s Anthony did find a 00:03:46.799 --> 00:03:53.840 reference on a turkish website to a board like that and then finally there's 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:57.360 dpn no idea what that could be for 00:03:56.000 --> 00:04:01.360 and well there's just there's only one of them so yikes so which cool are we 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:05.760 using this one we're gonna use that one oh my god 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:09.120 it's pretty easy to like strap down yeah that just makes me extremely 00:04:07.519 --> 00:04:13.120 uncomfortable we only have one of these things oh 00:04:10.640 --> 00:04:17.120 i don't i don't like it sir i had no alternative you know this actually is 00:04:15.200 --> 00:04:20.560 not that bad you're right no it's pretty solid once you get it on there the 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:24.000 funniest part of this is that our viewers are basically used to it by now 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:28.479 the comment section is just gonna be like yeah and there's gonna be like one guy 00:04:26.960 --> 00:04:33.600 who's like what the hell they just they just zip tied it to the motherboard and there's gonna be like a whole bunch of 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:39.360 replies it must be new here yeah pop this puppy on here got kind of an 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:42.080 matx hole pattern pretty standard 24 pin 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:48.240 power connector got your 4-pin CPU connector or i should say soc connector 00:04:44.960 --> 00:04:51.120 let's put on some RAM so uh do we know 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:55.600 which slots would make it dual channel no is it even dual channel i don't know 00:04:54.479 --> 00:04:59.360 sweet we are so close to the point where this 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:03.280 is pretty much all there is to building a computer you just buy a motherboard 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:08.000 with whatever CPU you're gonna use pre-soldered onto it throw in some RAM 00:05:05.840 --> 00:05:12.639 storage cooler will probably just be included in your kit and then that's it 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:16.800 that built a computer good job me okay i think i've got the 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:20.000 front panel plugged in right moment of truth you guys ready 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:25.360 you know what would have worked we could have liquid cooled it speaking of which 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:28.080 cooled playstation 5 is coming get subscribed so you don't miss it well if 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:33.039 you want to make it a little bit more exotic we can always do this just what i 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:38.840 did on the bench to make sure that the mounting pressure was correct wait no 00:05:35.520 --> 00:05:38.840 hold on 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:45.680 lttstore.com oh my god that's a lot of mounting pressure it's pretty full 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:50.240 should be fine don't knock it 00:05:47.280 --> 00:05:52.400 until you tried it oh there you go wow 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:58.320 just like that just like that and was installing Windows on it just like simple uh yeah 00:05:56.479 --> 00:06:02.880 it just ran really yep but it that's so weird 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:06.400 primary video adapter integrated graphics well i mean it supports 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:09.840 external graphics which is weird and look at this you can actually 00:06:08.479 --> 00:06:14.960 bifurcate the internal pci express link between 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:19.919 the CPU and the GPU on the soc 00:06:17.039 --> 00:06:24.800 into two 8x links oh you know what that's probably for the other board that 00:06:21.280 --> 00:06:26.240 has two m.2s oh maybe could be to share 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:34.400 lanes or something i'm just guessing possibly rx 8120 a98 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:36.240 wait what what's rx 8120 rx 8120 from as 00:06:34.400 --> 00:06:41.520 best as i can tell is the same clock speeds as the xbox one 00:06:39.520 --> 00:06:47.840 s oh so we want to run it at the higher one then the a9 98 20 is a higher clock 00:06:45.039 --> 00:06:51.440 speed it's like 2.35 versus seven five that's crazy okay what else should i be 00:06:50.080 --> 00:06:56.560 looking at here is there anything else significant uh subsystem settings literally doesn't do 00:06:54.800 --> 00:07:00.639 anything yeah there's literally nothing is the temperature monitor there oh okay 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:04.880 wait what what does plus eight degrees celsius mean does it mean like plus 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:08.800 eight degrees over what it's supposed to be or like do they think it's actually 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:11.919 eight degrees in here ten RPM whatever that means that's not right there's only 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:15.039 two there's only one fan on this thing there isn't too fan 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:20.400 there's a fan header for a different fan yeah okay maybe it's 10 rpms of like i 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:23.199 don't even know background radiation no i'm done i'm out i'm out we're going to 00:07:21.919 --> 00:07:28.479 the we're going to the we're going to Windows some other weird stuff the AMD chipset 00:07:26.960 --> 00:07:34.479 has features exposed for which there's no hardware like firewire sd card and an 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:38.160 ide controller of all things there's menus for surround view and power 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:42.720 express which are typically mobile features and not to mention hcf 00:07:40.400 --> 00:07:47.840 underscore dgpu sounds a lot like hybrid crossfire and it's even got infrared 00:07:45.520 --> 00:07:52.720 support this is crazy so you found all the drivers for this like what is a 00:07:49.599 --> 00:07:54.800 Radeon rx 350 series yeah it's like a 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:57.840 kryptos chipset that's what they call it anyway 00:07:55.919 --> 00:08:01.360 i actually found it on the forum the mad hacksaw and shrimp prime mel 00:08:00.080 --> 00:08:05.759 they went and found a driver on a japanese blog about this 00:08:03.440 --> 00:08:10.000 and the blogger in turn got it from some strange file repository called 00:08:07.440 --> 00:08:14.160 djproduct.com and i have no idea how they figured that one out because it's 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:16.319 literally just a file dump aha NVMe 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:22.960 performance looked low and as it turns out the four lanes are actually split 2x 00:08:20.080 --> 00:08:26.400 for the NVMe slot and then one and one and they're coming off the chipset 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:34.640 so that would explain why it's kind of junk and networking performance is also junk 00:08:31.280 --> 00:08:36.719 only 500 to 600 megabit per second which 00:08:34.640 --> 00:08:41.440 is like half of what we'd expect from a gigabit connection it seems like this 00:08:38.880 --> 00:08:46.000 thing really does not respond well to being loaded up heavily and apparently 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:51.680 transferring files over the network counts as loaded up heavily look at this 00:08:49.040 --> 00:08:55.760 changing the mode of the CPU actually changes what it's reported as in task 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:59.360 manager crazy all right here we go CPU 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:05.760 multi-core center bench r23 is this going to work 00:09:02.959 --> 00:09:09.200 oh god there it goes finally yeah it's going 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:13.600 we'll be right back oh wow 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:19.519 holy bananas 1896. 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:22.880 uh so that puts us at about half of the 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:25.120 performance of a quad core mobile chip 00:09:22.880 --> 00:09:30.640 today and i don't mean like uh gaming laptop i mean like the light 00:09:29.040 --> 00:09:36.080 oh my god i don't know if i want to run any more benchmarks on camera uh what 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:40.959 was the single core score i got 235 but then again i got 1744 multi-threaded so 00:09:38.800 --> 00:09:43.760 okay so it's kind of all over the place it's kind of all over the place got it 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:51.279 how about a game okay wait HDMI tops out at 1080p 60 yes 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:56.240 so that's HDMI 1.2 but then it supports free sync in the 00:09:54.080 --> 00:10:00.880 Radeon software and it works it does work hey what is going on here what is 00:09:58.640 --> 00:10:06.560 this thing i don't think that monitor is freesync 00:10:02.959 --> 00:10:08.160 no no it's not but like what the Radeon 00:10:06.560 --> 00:10:11.200 saw i can't even believe the Radeon software runs yeah 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:16.240 like i would have thought it would just be like kind of like a random crappy 00:10:14.160 --> 00:10:20.079 just like yeah the driver but no no control panel you would think so yeah 00:10:18.800 --> 00:10:25.360 good old counter-strike i was going to start with doom eternal but i have now decided to start with counter-strike 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:28.640 i've lowered my expectations while we wait for this to load can we 00:10:26.800 --> 00:10:36.079 take a moment to appreciate that games run as well as they do on the dog jaguar 00:10:31.680 --> 00:10:37.680 cores in the xbox one s one x and uh 00:10:36.079 --> 00:10:41.279 one it's been like five minutes there Linus 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:46.240 is Windows still okay yeah Windows is still okay i don't think this is gonna 00:10:42.959 --> 00:10:48.240 launch sir okay rocket leg oh my god 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:53.120 this is working oh my god it's running at 15 frames per second all right we're 00:10:50.560 --> 00:10:56.800 playing an unranked casual match 3v3 good luck team you're online i'm going 00:10:55.600 --> 00:11:00.880 online i'm going on the line 00:10:58.959 --> 00:11:04.560 should have voice chat be like hey guys i'm playing on my xbox no that's 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:10.240 actually running better than i thought it would it's 14 FPS 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:12.480 the minimums are pretty savage um 00:11:12.880 --> 00:11:18.320 is the game actually running a little bit slow motion here 00:11:16.800 --> 00:11:22.320 i think i might yeah i think you just got kicked dang it 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:28.000 i was we were gonna win it at the end of the day it's pretty 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:30.880 obvious then why AMD never officially 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:34.560 released this soc outside of the xbox because 00:11:31.680 --> 00:11:38.000 far more goes into a console than simply the hardware alone which leads us to the 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:42.480 question of the day what is this thing 00:11:40.800 --> 00:11:45.839 on the surface the fact that there are seemingly so many of these make it 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:52.480 appear to be overstock or in our system's case b 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:55.040 stock from xbox 1s production but the 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:59.440 true story could go a bit deeper as of shooting this video AMD hasn't commented 00:11:57.360 --> 00:12:04.959 on this and i doubt that they ever will but considering that almost everything 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:08.320 about it is beta the driver is from 2017 00:12:04.959 --> 00:12:10.639 and the motherboard says AMD bl2 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:15.040 we think it probably first came to life as an attempt to reuse engineering work 00:12:12.800 --> 00:12:19.600 that had already been done probably at least partially on microsoft's dime to 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:24.079 build affordable commodity pcs for emerging markets and at the time it 00:12:21.760 --> 00:12:29.360 probably looked like a decent stop-gap solution to the poor performance of 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:31.920 their excavator-based apus and ryzen 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:35.200 delays it's important to remember that zen hadn't even been officially 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:39.760 announced yet when the development on this would have started and AMD was in 00:12:37.760 --> 00:12:43.360 pretty hot water at that time whatever the intended purpose though it was 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:48.320 obviously put on ice once it became clear that it wasn't competitive and 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:51.279 ryzen apu's showed up on the horizon another idea we kicked around is that it 00:12:50.160 --> 00:12:55.519 could have been produced as a collaboration with a chinese game 00:12:53.440 --> 00:13:01.680 console manufacturer kind of like the subor z plus which also happened to 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:04.399 contain a semi-custom AMD soc retail 00:13:01.680 --> 00:13:09.760 availability of chuwi's aerobox which is also based on this soc seems to suggest 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:13.040 that the true answer is some combination of 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:17.680 all of the above but like i said we'll never know for sure it's always fun to 00:13:15.040 --> 00:13:22.880 ask what might have been but sometimes as in the case of the a9820 00:13:20.079 --> 00:13:27.440 what might have been was far worse than what we ended up getting but at least we 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:30.320 got a cool story out of it so hey thanks AMD and 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:36.240 thanks chinese board manufacturers for unearthing these freaking things and 00:13:34.160 --> 00:13:42.720 soldering them to board so we can enjoy them and you cannot buy them 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:42.720 you know what else you cannot buy 00:13:42.800 --> 00:13:49.360 your time back if you waste it freshbooks is the easy to use accounting 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:52.800 software designed specifically with you in mind the small business owner with 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:57.680 freshbooks you've got everything you need to manage your books with invoices 00:13:54.959 --> 00:14:02.320 expenses time tracking and more built in and it's designed to be easy to use with 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:06.160 built-in automation so you spend less time invoicing expensing and tracking 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:09.600 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