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it's obvious that NVIDIA gpus are just

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playing better I mean look how few people are buying Radeon cards and if

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everyone's doing it it must be right right wrong

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actually when you look at the price and performance of AMD gpus right now on

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paper they're the obvious choice you can

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get a 6700 XT which delivers near RTX

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3070 performance for just about the

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price of an RTX 3060 and we just got our

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hands on a one-click tuning software from monasmus the creator of clock tuner

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Verizon that he claims will put a 6800

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XT this isn't it a 6800 XT in the same

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performance class as a 3090 TI a GPU

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that costs twice as much now obviously a claim like that needs to

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be taken with a grain of salt but if there is even any free performance on

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the table it's worth investigating to make sure that you don't get taken for a

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at least partly to blame for the current situation after some very bad

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experiences with AMD's GPU drivers that delayed our video production almost

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every time we tried to use them we switched to almost exclusively using

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NVIDIA gpus in our showcase builds and in our test rigs I mean during a review

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for a new card from AMD we would often find that it was pretty okay some

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instability or bugs notwithstanding but then it would invariably sit on the

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Shelf until it was needed as a point of comparison for some other review for me

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the experience that turned me off of AMD was a bit more personal back in 2015 I

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was swayed by the please by this person to vote for competition with your wall

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call it and I use my incredibly hard earned cash I was a student at the time

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to buy a Radeon R9 380. my favorite game

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at the time was dirt rally and it had an AMD splash screen at the start so it

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should be fine right yeah you would think so

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turns out Not only was AMD's performance

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subpart but due to driver issues the AMD gpus couldn't properly render foliage

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and shadows in effect making my experience barely better than the anemic

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gt740 I had before that DDR3 RAM in it

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in a game with AMD's logo on the splash

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screen it was a similar story many of my favorite games too you can tell how over

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it he is by how red his face is right now however there is good reason to

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think that things have changed back in July of this year AMD completely rewrote

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their DirectX 11 drivers apparently dramatically increasing stability and

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performance at the same time so to unscientifically test this Harrison and

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Alex from the writing team switched to team red for two weeks and played video

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games like they normally would to see if anything wonky happened I wasn't

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informed people were just taking gpus home but okay you're in Hawaii and it

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was fine the point is that after I made the switch and installed AMD's drivers I

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honestly just completely forgot that I'd swapped the GPU until this morning when

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I looked at the script again I didn't even have to adjust any of my

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in-game settings going from an RTX 3080 to an RX 6800 XT I could have easily

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just saved like 200 by going team red of

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course you guys deserve a more scientific approach to testing so we

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handed the cards that we'll be looking at today over to our Labs team to whip

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up some charts and graphs that I assume you're pouring over in detail right now

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if you're not super detail-oriented don't worry about that the bottom line

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is this AMD is at or near the

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performance of NVIDIA in traditionally rendered so not Ray traced games at

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anywhere from 100 to 200 dollars cheaper

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and that's before we pull out our secret weapon when Asma sent us an early

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preview of what he's calling Hydra 1.2 a

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user-friendly tool for rdna 2 architecture Radeon cards that can be

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used to easily improve both performance and power consumption Alex is going to

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show us how it works to get Hydra right now now you have to subscribe to one

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usmas's patreon but this tool will be free once it's you know not broken and

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stuff speaking of which if you have an Intel CPU it won't work unless you have

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an F model so right now the igpu will take priority when you boot it up and it

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just doesn't work I'm sure that's very easy to fix but uh we have a I9 12900kf

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in here so that solved that problem first of all a warning you can destroy

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your processors by using the software if you do something really really bad it's

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probably fine most of the time you'll just crash your stuff but you know you

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need the warning right there so this is your basic overclocking

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dashboard your sort of main stuff is all in here so we have like this eraser

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deletes all of your stuff and restores it all back to your factory defaults you

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can also come back in here so that you change your horror frequency you can

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save it right there boom it's saved now that save button only applies it to you

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know this it doesn't actually apply it to the GPU so what this is basically

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doing is changing stuff within the GPU

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drivers itself the power play table and

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that's what's doing your overclocking you do that with this little

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lightning bolt then driver resets and

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you're good to go now all this stuff right here is just your basic manual

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overclocking but why would you overclock something yourself when you can have

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just the robots do it for you let's go over the diagnostic window GPU there we

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go this allows us to change what kind of a test we're doing so we can change it

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from this right here is opengl you can go to whatever you want and it's fine

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the duration is how long it's going to

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test for stability right now it's 90 seconds that's okay but if this was my

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personal rig and I was going to use the GPU like day in day out I would increase

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this by quite a bit it's the sort of thing you don't want your computer to

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crash in the middle of A ranked game below that we have the do overclocking

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window this right here is the real meat

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and potatoes of hydro 1.2 basically what this does is move your whole voltage

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frequency curve

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so your GPU is going to have something that looks a little bit like this given

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a frequency you will have a certain voltage to make sure that it doesn't

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crash there now AMD doesn't want to have

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this like right on the edge of crashing all the time so they're a little bit

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conservative with their values what Hydra is doing is just moving this curve

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over a tiny bit seeing if it crashes if

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it's all good and it just moves over a little bit more once it gets instability

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pushes it back a little bit you're good to go

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oh and that is exactly what we're doing

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right here so you can see our start offset that is negative

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43.75 millivolts so we'll be starting with the Curve moved over by that much

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and then the step offset is 6.25 so

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every time that it does an iteration it's going to be decreasing the voltage

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by another 6.25 millivolts so that's how

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you can see for the same amount of power you're going to be getting it going

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faster because let's say default we have this amount of voltage

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this frequency yeah you get it you get it GP goes

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faster the last field here is the power offset this is if you want to increase

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your power so that you have a custom water cooler you can just crank your

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power right up so say right now it's 15 that increased our TDP from 255 watts to

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292. I'm just going to set that back to zero

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additional power tune up here is where

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some things get a little bit strange so all the do overclocking is concerned

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about your GPU core whereas additional power tuning is focused a little bit

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more on the memory on some gpus if you get really good RAM you can actually

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drop your thermals by a lot while also overclocking the GPU core if you're able

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to drop the voltage of your memory chips yeah but some of the other ones it

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doesn't work at all just hope you get lucky well Brandon should we run it

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to do let's go

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here we have MSI combustor it's not crashing so that's good and now

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we wait okay the diagnostic process successfully completed so we have a core

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curve offset of negative 68.75 millivolts

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should have been .025 more we'll fix that later anyway our total board power

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has stayed exactly the same our core frequency has only increased what is

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that uh 72 megahertz so that's not a

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whole lot oh wait uh average FPS in MSI

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combustor went up by one so it's not incredible that didn't do too much but

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what we did see is about a three to five percent increase in games after we had

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done this so not too bad to be clear what we're doing isn't black magic

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NVIDIA and AMD for that matter are running these kinds of optimizations

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constantly on their gpus to try to squeeze as much performance out as

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possible we're just using the excellent

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access that AMD provides to overclockers to fly a little closer to the Sun to be

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clear three to five percent it's not a ton of extra performance but as I like

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to say it's better than a kick in the teeth and given that it didn't cost us

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anything but 15 to 20 minutes of our time and it didn't even increase power

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consumption or heat I'd say it's kind of a no-brainer

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not everyone has 15 minutes though thankfully there's an easier way

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whenasmus created a one button overclocking tool that he calls monster

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profiles and it's with one of these that he claims we should be able to beat a

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3090 TI for half the price

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let's give it a shot for the RX 6800 XT

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and RX 6700xt their Radeon monster

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profiles so all you have to do is click this profile button right here so we

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have 355 good bin and bad bin those are

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coming soon we don't actually have those and given this cooler that would not

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work anyway we also have our 305 watt good bin and

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255 so that's stock power good bid we're

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going to try the 305 watt good bin use it

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apply Radeon monster profile enabled

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this is where we should be able to beat a 3090 TI this guy right here in time

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spy got us a score of 21

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425. can we beat it well I'm not gonna

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let the whole thing run because I already ran it and I'm just gonna spoil

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it for you we did not beat the 3090 TI the score of

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our 6800 XT was 21 255 just missed it

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under 200 points oh but that still is

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damn close for a GPU that's half as much money

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this thing works really quite well although honestly in real games outside

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of synthetic benchmarks it's not quite

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as impressive but at the same time it's free performance you can just put it on

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here your car goes faster the monster profile doesn't always work

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out great though our 6700 XT this one

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right here absolutely refused to work with any of them even the bad bin

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profile caused it to immediately crash the good news though is that hydra's

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automated tuning process you know the one that takes about 15-20 minutes did

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work for this card and we actually managed a similar performance

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Improvement by fine-tuning the voltage frequency curve just like on our 6800 XT

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which puts this card comfortably in competition with NVIDIA's 3070 and 3070

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TI for a hundred or in some cases well

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over a hundred dollars less so the 3090 TI slaying claims were a

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little optimistic but hey free performance is free performance and I've

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got to say that our experience with these cards both on the bench and for

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the writers at home lends credibility to AMD's claims of much better drivers

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though there are some inconvenient details in all of this NVIDIA has some

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feature benefits over AMD that simply cannot be ignored although AMD did

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recently improve their AMF encoder to include B frames it still isn't quite at

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the same level as NVIDIA's nvank and if the games that you enjoy support

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real-time raytraced lighting and you wish to enable said Ray tracing feature

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NVIDIA has a pretty clear performance

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advantage and that's before you enable their excellent dlss machine learning

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powered image upscaling technology AMD of course has their own version of

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dlss called FSR but frankly it isn't as

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good at least not yet by the time we

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release this video though the story may have changed because AMD will have

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announced their upcoming lineup of rdna 3 gpus hopefully with decent pricing and

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an even more competitive feature set but with how affordable and tunable rdna 2

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is today I think these cards are going to stay relevant for quite some time

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