WEBVTT 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:05.680 Arguably, there can be no perfect Linux 00:00:03.120 --> 00:00:11.160 PC. But what we can build is the perfect Linux PC for the creator of Linux, who 00:00:13.440 --> 00:00:19.650 >> there can be only one. 00:00:17.685 --> 00:00:21.670 [screaming] [groaning] 00:00:21.840 --> 00:00:25.760 >> Or hear me out, you guys could just build a PC together. 00:00:25.439 --> 00:00:30.800 >> Oh. >> Oh, okay. That could work. >> That could work. For the folks too young 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:35.120 to catch the Highlander reference, the joke is that we are both Lionus and this 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:40.800 can only end with one of us losing our heads. My mind is blown. So maybe that 00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:45.040 counts. Guys, when I shot my shot asking the original tech Lionus to come and do 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:49.280 a collab with us, I had no idea what he'd say. I mean, he's kind of a big 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:56.160 deal, known for minor contributions to modern technology like Git and the Linux 00:00:52.480 --> 00:00:57.600 kernel, but he's here, the granddaddy of 00:00:56.160 --> 00:01:01.680 the operating systems that power everything from the Android phone in 00:00:59.760 --> 00:01:06.960 your hand to data centers around the world to more recently your new gaming 00:01:04.320 --> 00:01:11.360 PC. All thanks to the incredible work of open source developers and corporate 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:15.119 sponsors like Valve. And I get to build a computer WITH THEM AND ASK HIM SOME OF 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:19.200 YOUR QUESTIONS. And you think I'm the awkward one. 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:20.720 >> Sorry. Look, I know that fangirling does 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:26.320 make you a little bit uncomfortable. >> Yes. >> But you are here right now in my studio 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:30.720 and this is so cool. So, I'll tell you what. If you could just quickly sign my 00:01:28.880 --> 00:01:37.240 copy of this and then I'll settle down. I promise. Okay. 00:01:33.119 --> 00:01:37.240 How cool is this, you guys? 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:42.880 He made it out to fake Lionus 00:01:40.479 --> 00:01:47.421 from the real one. This is officially more valuable to me than this message 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:52.479 from our sponsor. [laughter] 00:01:48.880 --> 00:01:55.040 >> What a segway is the one. It's got the 00:01:52.479 --> 00:01:58.840 abs you need from those other guys. 00:02:04.479 --> 00:02:11.520 >> You haven't written anything more recent autobiographically, so I went with this 00:02:09.200 --> 00:02:14.480 and the Wikipedia page. So that's about >> Yeah. No, that's fine. I mean, this was 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:17.360 literally what we talked about earlier that I'll do anything once, like, 00:02:16.720 --> 00:02:22.959 >> right, >> come here. [laughter] Uh, >> I really enjoyed it. 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:27.120 >> Okay. No, I enjoyed the writing part. I do want to point out the David Diamond 00:02:25.200 --> 00:02:30.160 part. I I actually wanted him to have the same font size as my name, but 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:35.680 >> Oh, really? >> the publisher said no. >> They were right. >> It was very much a collab. 00:02:33.920 --> 00:02:39.440 >> He made that very clear in the parts that the italicized parts that are kind 00:02:37.440 --> 00:02:44.640 of his version of the telling of the story. But I really enjoyed this and uh 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:48.319 I'm looking forward to hopefully asking you questions that are not thoroughly 00:02:46.640 --> 00:02:52.800 covered by your own autobiographical works but >> from 25 years ago. 00:02:50.959 --> 00:02:58.000 >> I was going to ask you that is one of my questions is do you feel as detached 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:59.840 from what you wrote then as I might be from something that I wrote when I was 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:04.480 19? >> I actually don't remember what I wrote. 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:07.360 >> Oh, okay. So then you might have forgotten the meaning of life for instance. Oh yeah, because that's in 00:03:06.959 --> 00:03:14.959 there. >> That's in there. >> Yeah. It's entertainment by the way >> and uh and and sex is a perfect example. 00:03:12.959 --> 00:03:19.120 >> It started for survival >> and then it became for uh society 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:23.200 >> and then also entertainment. >> Say yeah the entertainment part. >> No, you were quite explicit in both 00:03:22.720 --> 00:03:27.440 meanings. >> Okay. >> Anything once. Anything once, right? 00:03:25.920 --> 00:03:31.040 >> We're not done yet. So you still have to do more. 00:03:29.602 --> 00:03:36.080 [laughter] >> When you say lionus, just to clarify, 00:03:33.760 --> 00:03:39.200 say a false Linus or something. >> Fake liners. Yeah. Yeah, 00:03:37.519 --> 00:03:42.239 >> today I can live with that. Now, you did an interview with ZDNet a number of 00:03:41.200 --> 00:03:46.879 years back >> about your daily driver computer which 00:03:44.640 --> 00:03:48.959 you built yourself and we actually replicated that build. What did you 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:53.040 think of our video? >> Oh, the one I never saw. >> Yeah. 00:03:51.920 --> 00:03:57.920 >> Uh yeah, sorry. >> I knew that was going to happen. And so the next thing I was going to ask you is 00:03:56.080 --> 00:04:02.400 what about this video? Are you going to watch this video? I probably won't 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:07.439 because I will be feeling way too self-conscious to to actually watch it, 00:04:04.799 --> 00:04:12.080 but I might have to just because I will probably get emailed comments and then I 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:14.799 will have to wonder about the comments. And 00:04:12.640 --> 00:04:19.040 >> I love that comments to you are email. >> It's the only media I use. Yeah. I don't 00:04:16.880 --> 00:04:24.639 do I don't do the whole social media thing. So, it's text for my family or 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:29.600 email for everybody else. >> Right. So, I can text you. You actually 00:04:27.840 --> 00:04:33.120 can text me now. Yeah, >> that's actually pretty cool. So, you 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:36.720 know what? Even though I am not one of the couple of dozen Torvoldses on the 00:04:35.840 --> 00:04:43.520 planet, right? >> I also have a madeup last name. 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:45.040 >> So, my mom broke from her family, 00:04:43.520 --> 00:04:48.479 changed her name, >> and then got my dad to agree to use her 00:04:47.440 --> 00:04:54.000 name for me. >> Okay. Okay. So, I'm also Lionus with 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:56.479 also a last name with no genealogy whatsoever attached to it, which I 00:04:55.280 --> 00:05:01.360 thought was a weird thing for us to have in common. >> Strange. Yeah. I mean, there's there's 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:06.479 literally maybe 20 Torbtes in the whole world because yeah, my grandfather made 00:05:03.919 --> 00:05:12.960 that name up for very similar reasons. >> This is so much fun. You are actually 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:14.720 doing amazing. It's nothing like that 00:05:12.960 --> 00:05:18.240 night that you barely slept before your first major speaking engagement, 00:05:16.320 --> 00:05:21.360 >> right? You really did read the book. >> Of course. >> Good on you. 00:05:19.919 --> 00:05:23.759 >> What? You think I would fake it? >> I don't know. 00:05:23.039 --> 00:05:28.479 >> Shame. >> Shame. >> Shame on people who collaborate with 00:05:26.880 --> 00:05:34.763 people and don't actually read their book ahead of time. >> Well, I didn't watch your videos, so 00:05:31.919 --> 00:05:34.763 >> that's fine. [laughter] 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:41.680 I am the beta linest today, so I fully accept that that's going to be what 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:44.960 happens. Um, what else is going to happen is we are actually going to build 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:48.400 a computer at some point here. And if you watched our last video, it's fine 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:52.400 you didn't, but if you have your computer, then this may be familiar to 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:58.160 you. We are starting with an AMD Threadripper. This time, a 9960X. 00:05:55.199 --> 00:06:00.960 This is a 24 core 48thread CPU that I imagine is going to absolutely rip it up 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:07.759 for writing emails. >> It's not the only thing I do, but I do spend a lot of time actually reading 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:09.600 emails more than writing them because 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:14.800 >> you can fit so much email in this bad boy. But of course you do have some high 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:18.720 performance demanding needs like say for example 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:24.479 >> yeah I do compile the kernel a lot. So uh it's part of my test requirements 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:28.319 that when I merge other people's code because I don't code myself very much 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:34.000 anymore. One of the things I do between every single merge is compile the whole 00:06:31.440 --> 00:06:38.639 kernel with every module I can. And that's where you want something fairly 00:06:36.080 --> 00:06:43.039 powerful. And I mean, I'm sure, you know, NVIDIA is probably working on a 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:45.440 way to make code compilation GPU accelerated, but is CPU still the way to 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:50.240 go? >> Yeah. And I can use as many cores as they can give me. 00:06:48.960 --> 00:06:54.560 >> Why did we cheap out on him? >> Oh, because I also I actually I mean, 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:58.400 people ask me what [music] I want and I was like, I don't want the crazy 00:06:56.240 --> 00:07:04.479 high-end because I want it to be quiet and reliable and not like 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:08.080 insane in any particular direction. So, >> you know what? We actually take a very 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:11.919 similar approach with our editing workstations. The, you know, the writers 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:14.880 or whatever, they can play around with the latest generation stuff. They're 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:19.680 always >> one step down because I just want it to 00:07:17.840 --> 00:07:24.639 work. [laughter] I think I've never I've always wanted to have something that 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:27.360 just is reliable. And that's to me, I 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:32.880 mean, that comes first. It needs to be something I can trust and work with. And 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:37.120 then within that envelope, it needs to perform well and not be crazy bleeding 00:07:36.400 --> 00:07:44.000 edge. >> And he's letting me build it. >> Yeah, that may be. Let's see. I'm having 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:49.599 way too much fun today. This is like the best day I've had in the office in 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:53.280 like a very long time. Seriously. Okay, I'm sorry. I said I would stop. I'm I'm 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:56.560 Okay, I'm done. I'm done. Choosing a motherboard for Linux is pretty 00:07:55.120 --> 00:08:02.160 straightforward. You want all of the usual things you want out of a motherboard. nice robust cooling, good 00:07:59.919 --> 00:08:05.440 power delivery, all the IO that you want, but of course you want to make 00:08:03.599 --> 00:08:09.919 sure that all of the onboard components are supported by Linux. One of the big 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:13.280 things that we looked for in a platform for you was support for ECC memory as 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:20.720 well. >> Y >> can you talk a little bit about why that's so important? I don't understand 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:25.520 why people don't require ECC in their machines because being able to trust 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:31.360 your machine is like the number one thing and without ECC your memory will 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:36.240 go bad. It's not a question of when it's or it is a question of when. I mean it 00:08:33.599 --> 00:08:41.279 just might take a few years. So when I built the machine, you apparently shot a 00:08:38.479 --> 00:08:47.279 video around. I could not get ECC and I said whatever I'll I'll get reasonable 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:53.680 RAM and uh it worked fine. It worked fine for a couple of years and then two 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:57.200 years goes by and uh I start seeing 00:08:53.680 --> 00:08:59.920 oopses. I start seeing segmentation 00:08:57.200 --> 00:09:04.320 violations. I'm obviously doing this on a modern Linux kernel that is being 00:09:02.560 --> 00:09:09.680 developed right now. And my first reaction is, "Oh no, we have a bug." And 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:15.279 I spent days on trying to figure out what the bug was 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:18.240 until I just realized, no, it wasn't a bug at all. It was my machine was not 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:22.959 reliable. >> So for you, this is not a question of, 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:24.800 you know, I have to reboot my system because my game crashed. 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:30.000 >> Correct. >> This is a question of I am working on 00:09:27.680 --> 00:09:35.279 software that millions of people around the world rely on. I need to know, 00:09:32.959 --> 00:09:40.800 >> right? I I absolutely need to trust my machine. And and 00:09:37.760 --> 00:09:43.519 I mean, it's a big thing. And I'm 00:09:40.800 --> 00:09:47.600 convinced that all the jokes about how unstable Windows is and blue screening, 00:09:45.839 --> 00:09:52.720 I guess it's not a blue screen anymore. A big percentage of those were not 00:09:50.160 --> 00:09:58.320 actually software bugs. A big percentage of those are hardware being not 00:09:55.040 --> 00:10:00.560 reliable. And uh I mean in the gaming 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:04.720 community you also do overclocking so you get extra unreliability from that. 00:10:02.800 --> 00:10:08.640 You will find articles that talk about how DDR has ECC built in. But no no it 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:17.120 doesn't. >> It really does not. Some of them have ECC on the chips themselves but then if 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:22.800 something goes wrong between the DIM and the CPU you will never know. So you need 00:10:20.160 --> 00:10:28.800 to have endtoend ECC. I actually think that's one of the more egregious 00:10:25.839 --> 00:10:32.000 marketing claims of our current era here. 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:36.399 >> I I I find that so irritating. It's a thing with me. I I do not touch machines 00:10:35.040 --> 00:10:40.160 that don't have ECC. >> Well, this one does. Thanks, Kingston, 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:43.279 for sending this over. I know you hate voicemail. >> Yeah, 00:10:41.680 --> 00:10:47.519 >> that's another thing that we can bond over. >> I hate 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:52.959 >> Well, I don't hate voicemail as much as I hate Zoom calls and things like that. 00:10:50.079 --> 00:10:59.040 I I would not have gone through CO if I had to like Zoom call every day like 00:10:56.240 --> 00:11:02.212 some people I know because I would have I mean there's no way. 00:11:00.560 --> 00:11:06.160 >> Maybe don't include that part. But [laughter] >> see, I must have done this, but I don't 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:09.279 remember. >> Oh, wait. Why am I building your computer? You know how to build 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:14.560 computers. >> I don't build computers anymore. Literally, it's 5 years since I built my 00:11:13.040 --> 00:11:18.079 last one. If you want me to build something, I actually This is what I 00:11:17.760 --> 00:11:22.959 built. >> I brought it for you. We're getting show and tell. 00:11:21.040 --> 00:11:25.760 >> We're getting show and tell. This I built. >> Hold on. Okay, let me try and figure it 00:11:24.640 --> 00:11:29.600 out. Let me try and figure it out. Hold on. Okay, it has a button. It [music] 00:11:27.760 --> 00:11:34.000 has a dial. It has power. >> Oh, it's a guitar effects pedal. It's a 00:11:32.079 --> 00:11:37.600 bad one, don't get me wrong. It's a horribly, horribly bad one. You'd never 00:11:35.839 --> 00:11:43.440 use this in real life, right? >> But I enjoy designing these things. And 00:11:40.560 --> 00:11:49.120 I actually solder these small pieces myself. I built this at home. 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:51.519 Oh, these do help you see better. But do these make me look smarter? 00:11:50.640 --> 00:11:58.000 >> I can't tell them apart. >> Do I look like the smart Linus now? >> No. [laughter] 00:11:56.079 --> 00:12:00.720 >> Now, tell me this. [music] Is there footage of you using this and showing 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:05.760 what it sounds like? >> Oh, hell no. That's never going to happen. Uh I I don't actually play 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:11.200 guitar. >> Oh, there you have it. Soon to be 00:12:07.680 --> 00:12:12.320 available uh from uh Lennis Torvald's 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:17.040 guitar. This is >> accessories.com. This is like the LT 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:20.959 store except bad quality. >> Oh, did we get him some stuff? Does he 00:12:18.959 --> 00:12:24.240 have a care package? By the way, there's no pressure to take any of the stuff 00:12:22.880 --> 00:12:29.200 from the store. If you don't like it, you just say you don't like it and we'll work hard. We'll make something better 00:12:26.959 --> 00:12:33.040 for you later. Um, and this is not an endorsement in any way. It's just a 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:37.839 gift. He doesn't have to say anything nice. In fact, you don't even have to look at it right now. 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:40.160 >> No, it looks like a perfectly chrome bag. 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:44.000 >> Now, that is a reference. >> That's an endorsement. That is a 00:12:41.760 --> 00:12:48.000 reference that I personally appreciate very much. The next thing we're going to 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:55.120 need is some storage. Last time around, you went with a giant 4 TBTE storage 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:56.800 drive and ended up using like few 00:12:55.120 --> 00:13:02.560 hundred megs out of it. Yeah. >> So, I wanted to ask, okay, why is that? 00:13:00.160 --> 00:13:06.240 Do you have like a a NAS that you use for archival storage or what's your 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:10.240 what's your data storage approach? >> Right. No, my data storage approach is I 00:13:08.160 --> 00:13:13.760 upload it on the internet and if it's worth saving, somebody else will save it 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:18.320 for me. >> Clearly, you specifically requested that 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:22.959 we have a reference to either Highlander or Mad Max in the intro. So, you must 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:27.519 enjoy films, but you don't back up anything yourself. 00:13:23.920 --> 00:13:29.519 >> No. No. And I mean, everybody does video 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:32.000 streaming these days. I mean, >> of course, 00:13:30.880 --> 00:13:36.000 >> nobody does. >> Nobody downloads Linux ISOs. I mean I 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:40.320 mean Linux I mean >> even a Linux ISO is whatever a few 00:13:39.040 --> 00:13:43.839 hundred megs. >> Um >> how many of those do you have on your 00:13:42.959 --> 00:13:48.240 computer right now? >> Well, let me depending on the way you 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:53.200 mean it. [laughter] So Linux ISOs is a slang for pirated 00:13:52.399 --> 00:14:01.120 media. >> Oh, see I am so naive in some ways. I 00:13:58.560 --> 00:14:04.880 tried to get him to do the excuse me, I'd like to interject for a moment, but 00:14:02.800 --> 00:14:09.120 he didn't he didn't get the reference or didn't think it was funny or something. 00:14:06.959 --> 00:14:12.320 I tried you guys. [laughter] >> If you've enjoyed what you've seen so 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:15.839 far, we have a ton of exclusives over on Flowplane, including some behind the 00:14:13.920 --> 00:14:20.480 scenes and even some staff hanging out with Linus to ask him some questions. Go 00:14:17.920 --> 00:14:24.079 check it out at LMG.gg/flowplane. I mean, I'd like to interject for a 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:28.000 moment, though. Our community submitted some questions and you were just talking 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:31.839 both about Linux and Git and they want to know out of your two most famous 00:14:29.839 --> 00:14:37.920 brainchildren which one are you most proud of? Oh, Linux by far. I don't 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:43.600 think people understand how little I did for Git. I did just the basic initial 00:14:41.199 --> 00:14:49.600 design and hey, I'm proud of that. I I think uh git does 00:14:46.560 --> 00:14:51.839 things really well and the design is 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:54.880 good and so much better than anything that came before it 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:59.360 >> only a little bit proud of There's there is pride there don't get me wrong but at 00:14:57.199 --> 00:15:05.920 the same time I worked on git for 6 months and the moment I found somebody 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:10.320 who I felt could take it over I threw it 00:15:05.920 --> 00:15:13.360 over the fence and said you go right and 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:16.480 Juno has done a admirable job and he's 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:19.440 been working on it for 20 years I didn't 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:23.519 work on it for 20 years to me it was something I needed for Linux and [music] 00:15:21.199 --> 00:15:29.360 Linux is is my child >> so that's like having a second child so 00:15:25.920 --> 00:15:31.440 that you could enhance your first child. 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:37.240 >> I worry about your children >> with spare parts maybe. [laughter] 00:15:33.199 --> 00:15:37.240 >> Then why did you have three Lionus? 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:44.560 >> Literally I I started get I did never I never wanted to do source control 00:15:42.560 --> 00:15:50.399 management. I felt it was almost as boring as databases. I never want to do 00:15:47.760 --> 00:15:54.399 databases. I mean in the same way I don't think you ever really wanted to 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:58.480 make an operating system though did you? >> No. Operating systems are really 00:15:55.920 --> 00:16:03.120 interesting. I all my computing life I've done things close to hardware. 00:16:00.896 --> 00:16:08.240 [music] I'm not a hardware person per se but I love exploring the interface 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:12.480 between software and hardware. And I mean when I started that's the only way 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:18.800 you could do things. I mean you you got a home PC in in ' 81 or whatever it was 00:16:15.680 --> 00:16:21.680 my first one. And there were no 00:16:18.800 --> 00:16:26.480 abstraction layers. If you wrote anything, you wrote it to the hardware. 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:30.560 You made it make sounds. You made it print stuff to the screen. 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:34.320 >> There is a line in here where you say that if someone else had done it right, 00:16:33.040 --> 00:16:39.519 you wouldn't have felt the need to create Linux. Do you still feel that way? 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:41.120 >> Yes. Yes. I I mean, I'm perfectly happy 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:47.360 being lazy, and if somebody else does some [music] something better than than 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:48.959 I, why would I try to recreate that? I I 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:52.480 needed an operating system and that's why I started doing it. But if if it 00:16:50.959 --> 00:16:56.720 hadn't been an operating system, it would probably have been something else close to hardware. 00:16:54.959 --> 00:17:02.399 >> Right. Speaking of hardware, maybe we should build a computer here for a 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:05.280 second. Um Oh, our cooler. You've talked 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:11.039 about this very briefly already, but to you and this is another Linux thing in 00:17:09.439 --> 00:17:18.400 common. I love using computers. I hate hearing 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:21.039 them. Oh, yeah. So, we got you an NHU12S 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:25.280 TR5- SP6. >> What a catchy name. 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:27.199 >> I know. They really have nailed down the 00:17:25.280 --> 00:17:31.120 engineering way of naming things. These guys are pure engineering all day, every 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:37.919 day. >> This may be very similar to what I have 00:17:33.840 --> 00:17:39.520 on my Yep, that looks kind of similar. I 00:17:37.919 --> 00:17:44.000 mean I mean it's a heat sink. They all look the same. >> It's a perfectly chromulent wheel. We 00:17:41.760 --> 00:17:51.360 didn't feel the need to uh reinvent it. While I'm installing this, you have said 00:17:47.280 --> 00:17:53.679 no, never with regards to water cooling. 00:17:51.360 --> 00:17:56.799 >> I mean, I that sounds stronger than I would have gone. [music] I'm not 00:17:55.039 --> 00:18:05.360 interested in water cooling mainly because I feel it has the potential to 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:08.640 be both less reliable than regular air 00:18:05.360 --> 00:18:11.760 cooling [music] and uh people have 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:15.679 issues with it gurgling which I find to 00:18:11.760 --> 00:18:17.280 be a more annoying sound than like a 00:18:15.679 --> 00:18:21.280 nice big fan that just has a background 00:18:20.320 --> 00:18:25.120 whooshing sound. >> That is very fair. How about the next 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:27.760 time we do this? >> Yep. I mean, you can you can prove me 00:18:27.280 --> 00:18:33.840 wrong. >> I I'll I'll try you out. >> I'll try you out. Because what's nice 00:18:31.600 --> 00:18:40.080 about water cooling is because you can get so much more surface area, you can 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:43.120 run the fans barely spinning at all and 00:18:40.080 --> 00:18:45.039 some of the pumps are really nice and 00:18:43.120 --> 00:18:48.880 there's accessories that you can get to hook them up in tandem. So, you get 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:53.840 redundancy. It's like ECC, >> but you don't get the redundancy for 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:57.200 things growing in your cooling fluids and stuff like that. 00:18:54.720 --> 00:19:02.880 >> He does watch our videos. >> I've I've seen people with green stuff 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:06.960 in there or leaking on your entire server rack. >> That's bad, too. 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:10.720 >> Listen, his whole server rack just covered. 00:19:07.840 --> 00:19:13.440 >> Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. >> I'm still trying to convince you. 00:19:11.760 --> 00:19:19.520 >> Yeah, we're trying to get him back. >> Yeah. Way to go, Elijah. Yeah, I assume 00:19:15.760 --> 00:19:20.240 this is a special see-through LTT tech 00:19:19.520 --> 00:19:25.440 screwdriver. >> You better believe it. What do you think? >> I just like seeing inside technology and 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:31.919 stuff. >> Oh, nice strategy. Oh, 00:19:29.760 --> 00:19:35.039 >> our community wanted to know what you do to relax. 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:40.080 >> I read less than I used to, but that's still what I do these days. I mean, this 00:19:37.120 --> 00:19:44.160 is part of it. I just design pointless stuff. There's no pressure there. I 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:48.720 actually don't think I have a very stressful life. >> How much of that do you think is 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:53.200 attitude though? Because you do bring up that as the user base grew, you did feel 00:19:52.320 --> 00:19:58.480 more pressure, >> right? I mean, part of it is we have I 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:03.919 wouldn't say perfected, but almost perfected the workflow. Uh we've used 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:08.320 the same workflow for the kernel now for 20 years. And it's not just git, it's 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:12.480 the whole release schedule. It's everything around it. And that means 00:20:10.080 --> 00:20:18.640 that you when you know what's going on and you kind of it's it's a predictable 00:20:15.520 --> 00:20:21.840 workflow. It's it's no [snorts] big 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:23.679 surprises. That's not stressful. And 00:20:21.840 --> 00:20:28.320 technical problems are not stressful either because technology you can fix, 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:34.480 right? And we're good at that. The main source of stress for me tends to be uh 00:20:31.280 --> 00:20:36.320 people. People you I mean I'm not a 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:42.080 people person famously, right? >> NVIDIA you 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:45.919 And uh people [music] are strange and and you can't fix people. 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:48.559 >> I think we're ready for the case. In which case, 00:20:47.360 --> 00:20:52.000 >> wow, >> that was that was terrible. Don't even 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:55.280 give me a reaction for that. I deserve nothing. Uh Elijah, I want to hit us 00:20:54.159 --> 00:21:00.000 with one of our other community questions. >> If you could start Linux development all 00:20:58.080 --> 00:21:06.960 over again, what would you do differently? >> So, there's two answers to that. One is 00:21:04.320 --> 00:21:10.320 now that I know how hard it is, I would never have gotten started in the first 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:16.400 place, right? You you need to have a certain amount of naive [music] to do 00:21:13.840 --> 00:21:20.799 something this big. The flip side of that answer is I would not do a thing 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:24.799 differently because it worked so well and it's been such an enjoyable 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:30.000 experience. I've been very lucky in my life. I was at a startup for seven years 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:32.880 and I never felt that I was the smartest person in the room and I never want to 00:21:31.919 --> 00:21:38.000 feel that. Right. >> Right. >> You want to be surrounded by people more 00:21:35.679 --> 00:21:41.679 competent than you were. Right. Because otherwise what's the point? 00:21:39.440 --> 00:21:46.085 >> What brought you here? >> Well, sometimes it makes you feel good 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:50.720 to be the smartest person in the room. [laughter] 00:21:47.679 --> 00:21:52.799 >> Uh that's a burn on you, too. I'm still 00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:58.799 hysterical. [laughter] >> The license choice. I still stand by 00:21:56.000 --> 00:22:03.360 100%. I love the GPL version two. I think it's it was the right license and 00:22:01.280 --> 00:22:08.000 it still is the right license. Now, this isn't one of our planned questions, 00:22:05.080 --> 00:22:14.720 [music] but have you ever thought about how much people have profited from 00:22:11.120 --> 00:22:18.080 Linux? Do you have any idea? 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:20.159 No, but I I have said 00:22:18.080 --> 00:22:27.919 that I feel very good about the fact that I now have two different projects 00:22:23.840 --> 00:22:29.600 that I started that both created 00:22:27.919 --> 00:22:37.280 billion-dollar companies. >> I think billion is an understatement. 00:22:33.600 --> 00:22:39.760 >> Yes. But I mean, clearly they people 00:22:37.280 --> 00:22:46.080 built billion-dollar companies on top of both of my big projects. 00:22:42.080 --> 00:22:48.720 >> And and some people ask me, "Doesn't 00:22:46.080 --> 00:22:54.080 that make you feel bad?" And I'm like, "No, you're not getting it. That makes 00:22:51.360 --> 00:22:59.039 me feel really good because that means that what I did was worthwhile and 00:22:57.360 --> 00:23:06.480 meaningful, right?" Does it weird you out a little bit that the largest entity 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:08.640 known for for for Git at this point more 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:13.679 broadly in terms of the user base is owned by Microsoft? It's strange in a 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:16.960 historical context, right? >> But it's it's kind of funny at the same 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:23.520 time, >> right? And and what I find even funnier 00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:28.080 is that so it turns out these days I think Microsoft makes more money of 00:23:25.840 --> 00:23:33.039 their cloud >> than they do of like Windows which is 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:36.400 like what I grew up with them being known >> Windows behemoth 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:42.400 >> and and it turns out >> the majority of the Microsoft cloud runs 00:23:39.120 --> 00:23:45.200 Linux. So, so we're we're friends, 00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:49.280 right? The rivalry took some more time, but that went away, 00:23:47.360 --> 00:23:55.200 too. And I'm very happy with that. >> I mean, I think that depends who you 00:23:51.120 --> 00:23:58.960 ask. Um, now that Linux is coming in a 00:23:55.200 --> 00:24:01.120 big way for gaming, there are certainly 00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:05.200 people at Microsoft, particularly in the Xbox division, who are feeling pretty 00:24:03.280 --> 00:24:09.679 combative and defensive about that. I can tell you that much. Yeah, I'm 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:13.360 obviously not a gamer, so I I don't see that part. But 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:19.039 >> you did make some games. >> Oh, very bad ones. Yes. No. But I mean, 00:24:16.159 --> 00:24:22.000 if you're a teenager and you're into computers, you will make a game. I mean, 00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:25.200 that's that's what you do. >> What? Didn't you make one, Lion? >> No. [snorts] 00:24:24.080 --> 00:24:29.919 >> Are you sure? >> Yes. >> Okay. 00:24:27.120 --> 00:24:34.421 >> Well, if you're competent and a teenager and into computers, you make a game. Uh, 00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:38.960 >> there are different kinds of competency. [laughter] I met a girl when I was a teenager. 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:42.640 >> That fair enough. >> Now, you were pretty surprised to see 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:46.799 that we had like a product lineup and that is a larger part of our our 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:49.919 business these days. But I just I pulled this out to open up a box and I thought 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:54.000 you might like it. This is actually made by another creator team, Evan and 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:56.080 Caitlyn. Slide up. There you go. And then slide it back. >> Oh yeah. 00:24:55.279 --> 00:25:03.600 >> Isn't that cute? >> I actually know who you were talking about because I may not watch yours. 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:07.520 >> What the heck? like every other YouTuber you mentioned. I know them, but 00:25:05.120 --> 00:25:11.360 >> how is that even possible? We share a name. 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:15.679 >> Uh I now I've seen your videos, too. But you're talking about the guys or the 00:25:13.520 --> 00:25:18.960 couple who does like they do that pumpkin thing every year. That's where I 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:23.919 know them from. >> Yeah. >> So, this is their product. >> You could stab somebody with this and 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:29.279 you'd have fun doing it. >> Would you prefer that or the samurai sword? >> It's been [laughter] 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:33.760 It would take longer. Yeah. what that >> it's a very cool thing for me to see 00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:39.840 others in the in the creator space kind of parlaying what they learn sort of 00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:42.400 doing things with uh I I see and I know 00:25:39.840 --> 00:25:47.200 it's owned by Google but I see YouTube as almost like a like an opening up of 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:52.159 knowledge in the same way that open source is that just was not available 00:25:50.080 --> 00:25:55.919 before and it's just it's very cool to me to see people 00:25:53.760 --> 00:25:59.840 >> taking the knowledge they gain from this giant repository and just creating 00:25:57.840 --> 00:26:02.960 things. It's uh Yeah. So, I wanted to shout them out cuz I haven't actually 00:26:01.520 --> 00:26:08.960 talked about this yet. I bought one. They offered to give me one. I said, "You know what? That's so cool. I can't 00:26:06.159 --> 00:26:11.600 take it from you. Um I'll buy one." I guess this goes in here now. Elijah, do 00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:16.400 you want to hit us with another community question? >> Was there ever a moment that you got so 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:20.799 close to just walking away and being done with developing Linux? 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:30.240 >> No. No. I mean, there's been many, many, many moments where like I walk away and 00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:31.919 I just say that, hey, I I'm fed up. It 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:37.279 might be some technical problem that I just been hitting my head against the 00:26:33.919 --> 00:26:40.000 wall or it might be like just somebody 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:45.520 who annoys me and I'll walk away and I'll take a long warm bath and read a 00:26:43.360 --> 00:26:49.919 book because I'm like, I need to [music] relax. I need to just walk away from 00:26:47.600 --> 00:26:54.080 this. But it's always with the knowledge that hey, tomorrow morning I'll be there 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:58.559 fresh as roses. >> Okay, we're going to go a little deeper 00:26:55.760 --> 00:27:03.440 now. I do think that when you do things that are consequential, 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:08.320 the other things can start to feel inconsequential and therefore boring. 00:27:06.383 --> 00:27:12.320 [music] Do you feel that if you reach the stage where 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:17.760 you're not you don't feel needed with Linux that it'll be very difficult? 00:27:15.600 --> 00:27:23.200 >> I hope not. I mean, I definitely don't want to be 00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:28.320 the guy who halts on to something. And I've always said that if somebody better 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:30.320 comes along, I'll step aside. And I I 00:27:28.320 --> 00:27:33.840 really hope that's true. Uh, okay. Well, I wired up your bottom fans, and maybe 00:27:32.320 --> 00:27:42.720 now is a good time for us to talk about your case. SO, THIS THE FRACTAL Torrent 00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:45.120 was chosen because it has two gigantor 00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:48.320 fans in the front. Scandinavian design. That's sort of what they're 00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:53.120 >> I'm hoping I see there's a mesh there. So there's a mesh dust will not go in. 00:27:51.520 --> 00:27:57.360 >> Oh, this is not on our scheduled questions, but cats or dogs? 00:27:55.279 --> 00:28:00.480 >> Both. I don't count cats and dogs even as pets. They they become family 00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:05.600 members. >> Um dogs maybe even more so than cats, 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:10.640 even though I started out with cats. >> But then you have pets like 00:28:08.159 --> 00:28:14.880 >> rats and gerbles and fish. Oh, fish aren't even pets. Fish. Fish are pests. 00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:18.159 I don't understand people who do aquariums. >> But we're not judging. 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:22.320 >> No, I mean, >> no, it's not you. It's not a Linus thing 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:24.720 to be judgmental. >> Yeah. Okay. 00:28:24.159 --> 00:28:29.919 >> Sorry. [laughter] >> No, we've had everything. Uh, rats were great. 00:28:28.159 --> 00:28:34.080 >> I've heard they're awesome. >> They are. I mean, we 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:38.159 >> the the biggest problem with the rats was that they only live for three years, 00:28:36.159 --> 00:28:41.600 and that broke my daughter's heart, and she said, "Never again." because they 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:44.320 don't live long enough, too. >> And and they they like they bond and 00:28:43.520 --> 00:28:50.720 they're so social. >> They are very social. They're they're fun. They're they're nice creatures. 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:55.520 >> Did you know that Alberta, Canada, is the only place on Earth other than I 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:58.960 believe the Antarctic continent where there are no rats? I 00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:03.120 >> think Canadians might be overly proud of this because maybe it's because even 00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:07.919 rats don't want to live. >> That's crazy. >> Sorry. [laughter] 00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:10.799 Yeah, you need to cut that out. But >> Oh, no. That's hilarious. I love it. I 00:29:09.840 --> 00:29:18.720 love it. >> See, what I was what I was teeing myself up for was they were erraticated, but 00:29:15.420 --> 00:29:21.039 [music] his was better. 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:27.039 >> Okay, I think our next order of business is power. 00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:30.000 We went very overkill. 00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:33.760 >> Okay, I see that. 1600 watts. >> That is the Prime TX1600. 00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:37.200 Basically, >> it's a big box and it's gonna fit there. 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:41.360 >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. >> Oh, yeah. That'll be fine. And what we 00:29:39.600 --> 00:29:45.919 liked about this was you like reliability. >> Y 00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:48.480 >> 12-year warranty. And we both like 00:29:45.919 --> 00:29:54.159 silence and because it's so efficient and rated for so much power, that fan is 00:29:51.360 --> 00:29:58.799 unlikely to ever even spin. [music] Very good. You know, power supplies matter. 00:29:56.399 --> 00:30:04.320 They're They may not be the sexiest part of a computer, but they do matter. 00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:07.679 >> That's what I tell my wife about my power supply. 00:30:06.080 --> 00:30:12.000 >> Wow. [gasps] I'm going to switch spots with you. I'm 00:30:09.120 --> 00:30:14.799 going to Whoa. Which one's which now? Okay. Okay. I couldn't get him to do the 00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:19.760 I'd like to interject, but can you just stand there for a second and then just point at me? 00:30:17.840 --> 00:30:22.159 >> Oh, you're going to dub over this. >> No, no, no, no, no, no. This is for the 00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:26.159 Spider-Man meme. >> I don't do social media, so I don't do the memes. 00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:29.919 >> The Spider-Man's point at each other, and they're both Spider-Man. Don't worry about it. 00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:34.080 >> It'll it'll be great. >> Okay. >> Yeah. [laughter] 00:30:32.080 --> 00:30:37.840 >> I'm trying to actually build it. Elijah, save me. Hit me with a couple of rapid 00:30:35.919 --> 00:30:41.440 fire questions. Is it pronounced GIF or GIF? 00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:47.480 >> Oh, it's GIF. No. >> YES. YES. 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:47.480 >> NO, I'm kidding. It's GIF. 00:30:48.431 --> 00:30:56.000 [music] >> I actually got this question. Not this question, but somebody sent me an email 00:30:53.279 --> 00:31:00.960 asking me if [music] Git is with a hard G or a soft G like GIF. 00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:03.440 >> And I was like, [music] don't don't even make that joke. 00:31:01.919 --> 00:31:09.120 >> Okay. Hit us with another one. Elijah, >> you were talking about it earlier, walking away from Linux briefly. Well, 00:31:06.320 --> 00:31:12.960 what happens to Linux if you just die? >> Wow, 00:31:10.159 --> 00:31:14.559 >> what a weird way to ask that. >> That's what the community wanted to 00:31:14.159 --> 00:31:18.640 know. >> The traditional question is actually if you get hit by a bus. 00:31:18.159 --> 00:31:22.720 >> Oh, >> the implication is that I die. But >> okay, can we redo the take then? 00:31:22.491 --> 00:31:28.320 [laughter] >> No, no, you're stuck with it now. Uh, 00:31:25.840 --> 00:31:30.480 you asked Lennis Torbald's that question. I 00:31:29.520 --> 00:31:35.279 >> You have to live with that. >> No, the community. >> Unless you just die. 00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:40.399 >> Well, wait. [laughter] You know what? We have such a healthy 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:44.880 development community, it's it's ridiculous. Most other open- source 00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:50.080 projects have like a couple of people involved. If it's a healthy community, 00:31:47.360 --> 00:31:54.720 they might have tens. We have a thousand people involved in every single release. 00:31:52.240 --> 00:32:01.519 And we do releases every nine months, every nine weeks. If I fall down and die 00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:01.919 or my plane crashes on the way back home 00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:06.440 from >> Oh, I don't want to be responsible for that. 00:32:08.342 --> 00:32:10.362 [music] 00:32:11.840 --> 00:32:19.360 >> That would kill my reputation completely. >> Well, but then you can do the intro with 00:32:17.360 --> 00:32:25.120 the swords and and make it really impressive, right? >> Oh, lordy. 00:32:21.840 --> 00:32:26.880 >> There it can be only one. and I killed 00:32:25.120 --> 00:32:30.720 the other one. On the internet, nobody has good taste, so it it would become a 00:32:29.600 --> 00:32:34.720 meme, I'm sure. >> Is this you approving that we can do that then? 00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:38.799 >> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. If I'm dead, I won't care. >> Okay, speaking of you're dead and won't 00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:42.159 be able to, I guess, consent to it. >> What necrophilia? No. >> No, no, that's not where I WAS GOING. 00:32:41.600 --> 00:32:49.200 >> JESUS. >> THAT'S NOT [laughter] WHERE I was going. I was going to go into the topic about 00:32:45.760 --> 00:32:51.519 AI and generative AI. Is it a bubble or 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:56.159 is it a computing revolution? I mean it's clear it's clearly both right it's 00:32:54.080 --> 00:33:00.480 clearly a bubble and at the same time it's very interesting and I think it 00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:06.399 will change society and I think it will change how most skilled jobs get done at 00:33:03.840 --> 00:33:12.720 the same time I don't think it's as revolutionary as people make it out to 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:15.039 be I want to specifically talk about AI 00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:21.360 with respect to coding and particularly vibe coding what are your thoughts on an 00:33:18.320 --> 00:33:23.760 AI model being trained on on the work of 00:33:21.360 --> 00:33:28.000 real people like in in the artistic community rightfully angry that the AI 00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:34.159 never would have been able to do anything without the large scale theft 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:37.120 of work. So what is your take on on 00:33:34.159 --> 00:33:41.440 that? [music] I'm like that's reality. Deal with it. That genie is out of the 00:33:39.120 --> 00:33:44.720 bottle. You're not you're not getting it back. And you're not getting it back 00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:51.039 whether you are a photographer who's out of work. Those things are gone, right? 00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:58.399 because you can fake pictures so much better now or you're a programmer that 00:33:54.799 --> 00:34:00.320 has to learn to deal with a new reality. 00:33:58.399 --> 00:34:06.480 I think actually on the programming side, we're in a fairly good spot. I 00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:08.879 really think that AI will be a tool and 00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:13.119 it will make people more productive. I think that vibe coding is great for 00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:16.000 getting into [music] programming. I think it's going to be a horrible thing 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:21.359 to maintain. Right. >> Oh yeah. >> Right. So I don't think programmers go 00:34:19.200 --> 00:34:27.839 away. You still want to have the people who know how to maintain the end result. 00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:34.079 I'm a huge believer in AI. I'm not a huge believer in the the whole things 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:37.599 going on around AI. I I find the market 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:38.240 marketing and the market to be sick and 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:43.119 twisted [music] and and there is going to be a crash and 00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:47.040 it's not it's going to be ugly. >> Not financial advice. 00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:51.040 >> No, no, no. No financial advice. >> Speaking of companies that are growing 00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:56.079 exponentially, uh we opted not for one of their GPUs. 00:34:53.040 --> 00:34:58.880 >> Wow, what a segue again. 00:34:56.079 --> 00:35:02.480 >> This to be fair, I have to say I famously uh was not a huge fan of 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:08.880 NVIDIA. >> You Mhm. Yes, that >> but was a thing. [clears throat] 00:35:05.200 --> 00:35:11.359 >> The AI thing has actually made things so 00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:15.280 much better because it turns out NVIDIA cares about 00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:17.520 >> well where the money comes. Turns out, >> it turns [laughter] out that is always 00:35:17.040 --> 00:35:26.480 the case. >> That was a big surprise for us. >> But what you uh didn't choose was the 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:29.520 classic Linux-, which is a Radeon card. 00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:31.839 You specifically requested an Intel Arc, 00:35:29.520 --> 00:35:35.760 which is going to raise at least a few eyebrows into a shape like a Ark. 00:35:34.669 --> 00:35:40.160 [snorts] >> Thanks, Elijah. You know what? Let's 00:35:37.839 --> 00:35:44.640 keep you. Let's put you on the boat with uh two of everything. 00:35:41.520 --> 00:35:46.320 >> OH, THE ARK. YEAH, [screaming] LET'S GO. 00:35:44.640 --> 00:35:51.119 >> WOW. It never ends. >> According to Wikipedia back in 2006, 00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:54.480 little outdated, it was estimated that your code was about 2% of the Linux 00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:59.040 kernel. >> Oh, yeah. >> If you had to guess now, or if you know, 00:35:57.680 --> 00:36:03.760 what percentage would you say it is today? >> The first version of Linux was like 00:36:01.200 --> 00:36:08.960 10,000 lines. I'm sure I've written code since then, but 00:36:07.040 --> 00:36:13.040 but there's been thousands of people involved. And what I do these days is I 00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:17.760 don't write code. Sometimes I write code snippets and send them out as emails and 00:36:15.040 --> 00:36:21.200 saying something like this in the hopes that somebody else will then write the 00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:26.079 final tested code [music] and send it back to me. >> Hey, that's another thing Lionuses do is 00:36:23.839 --> 00:36:29.200 send crappy incomplete emails for other people to do the work. 00:36:27.040 --> 00:36:34.000 >> Yeah. No, that's that's my life. Lines of code is not something you should ever 00:36:31.680 --> 00:36:40.720 attribute any importance to. >> Yeah. So like when we have 5 million 00:36:36.560 --> 00:36:43.040 lines of code for uh hardware 00:36:40.720 --> 00:36:50.560 descriptions, they're actually generated from the literal hardware 00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:51.040 descriptions that AMD uses to do their 00:36:50.560 --> 00:36:57.680 car. [music] >> What's more important is your Linus of codes and we have one of those. 00:36:55.280 --> 00:37:02.880 >> The puns. The puns, they keep on coming. There was a recent thing [music] from a 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:06.800 major tech company where uh developers were asked to say how many lines of code 00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:11.599 they wrote and if it wasn't enough they were terminated. And there was someone 00:37:08.720 --> 00:37:13.680 here that was extremely upset about that approach to measuring productivity 00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:20.720 because >> Oh yeah. Now you shouldn't even be upset at that point. That's just incompetence. 00:37:18.160 --> 00:37:27.680 Anybody who thinks that's a valid metric is too stupid to work at a tech company. 00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:30.640 You do know who you just said that about, right? 00:37:29.839 --> 00:37:36.480 >> No. >> Oh. Uh, he was a prominent figure in the 00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:41.520 um improved efficiency of the US government recently. 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:43.200 >> Oh, apparently I was spot on. [laughter] 00:37:41.520 --> 00:37:46.400 >> Is this up to your standards? If I just kind of get these strapped down here, 00:37:44.640 --> 00:37:50.800 then are we good? Is it Scandinavian enough? 00:37:49.040 --> 00:37:54.960 >> I have somebody to blame. If somebody ever makes fun of my machine, I like I 00:37:53.520 --> 00:38:01.680 had nothing to do with it. Oh, well that's a lot of pressure. >> It was Lionus's fault. [laughter] 00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:03.520 >> Yeah. Nice. Damn, that didn't work. 00:38:01.680 --> 00:38:06.800 >> You were traveling just before this trip. How often do you get to travel 00:38:05.976 --> 00:38:13.119 [music] uh for your line of work or have to? >> Um, yeah. Whoever wrote that question 00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:19.599 doesn't realize that it's not get to travel, it's it's a pain. one year 00:38:16.560 --> 00:38:22.800 fairly early on I was counting the days 00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:26.160 I was away from home and I was away more 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:28.560 than half the year and that's also the 00:38:26.160 --> 00:38:32.400 year I decided never again and this was literally this must have been 30 years 00:38:30.640 --> 00:38:39.359 ago this was when I was still living in Finland I don't enjoy traveling for work 00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:45.760 uh these days at least I travel in business class so that if I do the long 00:38:43.200 --> 00:38:50.240 overseas ones I lay flat and try to sleep through 00:38:47.680 --> 00:38:54.320 flights. That makes it bearable, but it doesn't make it fun. I don't tend to 00:38:52.160 --> 00:38:58.240 enjoy big cities. I mean, some of them are interesting. I still enjoy going to 00:38:55.920 --> 00:39:01.599 Tokyo for some I don't know why Tokyo is one of those cities that even as a big 00:39:00.560 --> 00:39:06.320 city is actually >> it's got so much character. Yes, it it 00:39:04.160 --> 00:39:09.599 it does things differently. >> So, this question was supposed to 00:39:07.839 --> 00:39:12.960 transition us into saying thank you so much for coming up here. I 00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:19.359 >> to the big city of Vancouver. Well, no, but I was blown away when we arranged 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:23.520 for this and I was ready to move heaven and earth and bring everything to you 00:39:21.680 --> 00:39:28.079 and you were just like, "Oh, yeah. Well, no. I mean, I guess I'll just come up to 00:39:26.240 --> 00:39:33.520 you guys." That >> mean, but it makes so much more sense. 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:36.960 And honestly, I as I told Fake Lenus 00:39:33.520 --> 00:39:39.119 here, um I I actually enjoy doing 00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:46.480 something different. He compared this experience to a pre-academy awards uh 00:39:43.200 --> 00:39:47.440 dinner gala thing as well as flying in a 00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:51.760 fighter jet. >> Well, I didn't compare this to that. 00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:55.440 >> You mentioned those things >> in the [laughter] same sentence. 00:39:54.480 --> 00:40:00.480 >> Yes. >> No, it is one of the things I have 00:39:57.520 --> 00:40:06.160 enjoyed uh as part of Linux has been that I've been able to do things that 00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:09.599 most people don't get to do, right? And 00:40:06.160 --> 00:40:11.440 most people don't get to come and have 00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:17.440 >> fake leaners build a computer for them. >> That's right. >> So, this is actually fun. [laughter] 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:20.400 >> Sounds like Please don't sound like you have a gun to your head off camera. 00:40:19.200 --> 00:40:24.400 >> No, no, no, no, no. I love [laughter] it. I love it. Honestly, that would be 00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:27.599 the that would be if we weren't if we didn't still have a lot to do, that 00:40:25.680 --> 00:40:29.839 would be like the best final line of the video. [laughter] 00:40:28.720 --> 00:40:34.640 >> This was fun. >> Fun. 00:40:32.240 --> 00:40:39.520 >> This is one people wanted. Lionus or Linus. 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:42.560 >> So if you speak Swedish to me, >> it's Linus. 00:40:41.200 --> 00:40:44.880 >> Oh, okay. I don't even know what they do. 00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:50.880 >> First, dude. >> Oh, no. I did it. Oh, [laughter] and he's going to leave. 00:40:49.200 --> 00:40:54.320 >> That's okay. The video can be building 65% of a computer [laughter] with a 00:40:53.520 --> 00:41:01.040 store. >> When I moved to the US and started speaking English, I I started saying 00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:04.480 Lionus. Even coming over here and interacting with English-speaking 00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:09.440 people, most of them don't know how to pronounce our name anyway. [music] 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:13.520 So if you have to correct them anyway. Oh, but I don't want to correct them. 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:19.119 Like I don't go by TWS because nobody can pronounce TWS. 00:41:16.160 --> 00:41:24.560 >> Don't even try. [laughter] Right. But after I spoke such fluent Swedish 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:29.040 >> before coming into this, did you know anything or did you search anything 00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:33.599 about my personal Linux hy jinks [music] that I've experienced? 00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:39.839 >> Why are the two columns open source and installed? So, I consciously did not uh 00:41:37.680 --> 00:41:44.400 search after. I mean, I've heard of you. Don't I mean, I made fun of the fact 00:41:42.160 --> 00:41:50.800 that that I knew all the other YouTubers, but uh yes, I I knew of you 00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:56.319 and I'd seen videos of you, but at the same time, I did not want to come in 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:57.839 here having researched the hardware or 00:41:56.319 --> 00:42:04.240 researched you. >> I have accidentally deleted my entire 00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:05.760 guey without realizing what I was doing. Hey, 00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:13.040 >> that was something. >> I've done that. >> And I have to type yes, do as I say in 00:42:09.520 --> 00:42:15.760 order to install it. And maybe it will 00:42:13.040 --> 00:42:21.040 install and launch. Now, what is the point of having a Oh, 00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:23.040 >> I managed to completely brick an 00:42:21.040 --> 00:42:26.640 install. Um, [music] trying to do something as simple as install Steam. 00:42:25.200 --> 00:42:29.599 >> What are you talking about? I've done nothing with this other than install 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:35.040 that hard info thing. >> How did this line up with your expectations for today? I didn't really 00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:38.720 have a lot of expectations. I I'm not saying the expectations were low. I I'm 00:42:37.200 --> 00:42:42.640 saying [laughter] they they were non-existent. It's like I didn't know 00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:47.359 much expect, [music] >> right? You're a groundbreaking YouTuber. 00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:53.440 That's what the message here is. You are you are changing the world. 00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:55.599 >> That's a great sound bite. Let's just do the whole video with just that. See? 00:42:55.040 --> 00:43:01.760 >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, >> 15 seconds. So, this is basically this 00:42:59.920 --> 00:43:04.720 is basically on you now because if you give a reporter a sound bite like that, 00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:10.960 obviously they're going to cut all the rest of the part where they say they had literally zero expectations of you. 00:43:08.640 --> 00:43:14.319 >> Maybe that's that's why there's so little video of me because people 00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:17.680 decided, "Yep, we're better off without this." >> Do you want to do the honors? Here we 00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:21.920 go. >> Don't miss it. You missed it. There's a 00:43:19.839 --> 00:43:25.280 fan rubbing. Elijah, >> you closed the side panel, sir. 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:29.920 >> I cursed it when I closed the side panel. I knew it. That's that gentle 00:43:27.839 --> 00:43:34.640 whooshing sound you asked for. Right. >> That's [laughter] Yeah. No, it's like a 00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:36.640 cat purring in your lap. 00:43:34.640 --> 00:43:38.720 >> When we tested it, it was not making that sound. So, I am blaming you 00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:44.000 building it. >> Wait, I see it. >> It is the fan. >> It fell out of It fell out of the uh 00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:49.760 little cable management groove. [music] We got this. Everything is fine. 00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:53.200 Everything is saved. 64 gigs of RAM all showing up. That's a good sign. That 00:43:51.200 --> 00:43:58.720 means all of our pads are contacting the pins in the motherboard socket. are 00:43:55.359 --> 00:44:00.800 >> okay. Try with the XMPP profile enabled. 00:43:58.720 --> 00:44:03.760 Just try it. See you. >> Living on the wild side. Hit us with a 00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:09.760 rapid fire question. >> This one on our Reddit got almost 100 up votes. What do you prefer, Xbox, 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:13.200 PlayStation, or Nintendo Switch? >> We don't have an Xbox. We do have a 00:44:11.839 --> 00:44:17.440 PlayStation. I don't think it's been turned on in a year because it gets 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:22.000 turned on for Christmas when the kids come back to town and they play [music] 00:44:19.680 --> 00:44:26.960 whatever. They play Little Bigplet and something else. We had a Nintendo. I 00:44:24.560 --> 00:44:29.599 think we had a [music] We had the Wii U. The The odd one, right? The one that 00:44:28.640 --> 00:44:35.520 Yeah, that'd be the Wii U. >> Yeah. And to be fair, I've played games, 00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:36.079 too. I What's the Shoot the Dinosaurs 00:44:35.520 --> 00:44:42.400 game? >> Horizon. Um Horizon Zero Dawn. >> Yeah, I actually like that a lot. 00:44:39.680 --> 00:44:44.960 >> Here's something cool. Horizon Zero Dawn was the first game I played all the way 00:44:44.240 --> 00:44:49.680 through on Linux. >> Oh, it works on Linux now. >> Sure does. >> Okay. Yeah, we're 00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:52.800 >> Let's go. >> Nobody does the test the media. That 00:44:51.839 --> 00:44:59.599 takes forever. >> These are the real tech tips. The real Linus tech tips right here. Let's go. Do 00:44:57.520 --> 00:45:04.640 you want to install Fedora? >> Fedora is still your your distrib. 00:45:02.240 --> 00:45:08.456 >> No, I mean I I can do the heavy lifting and press that button. Thank you. 00:45:06.640 --> 00:45:15.040 >> Well, I I would I would I would hate to, [music] you know, uh step on your Linux. 00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:19.839 >> This is presumably a newer version than whatever I installed last time. 00:45:16.640 --> 00:45:22.319 >> Why Fedora? They being very 00:45:19.839 --> 00:45:28.240 closely aligned to kernel developers. They made things easier like Abuntu 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:33.599 very much wanted to be like a consumer oriented thing and in the process when I 00:45:31.040 --> 00:45:38.000 tried it many many years ago they literally made it hard for me to upgrade 00:45:35.520 --> 00:45:42.319 the kernel because that was not their target audience. [music] So I said yeah 00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:47.359 this is not for me clearly by design. And at the same time, there are the 00:45:44.560 --> 00:45:50.800 really tech oriented ones where >> by the way. 00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:54.079 >> By the [music] way, >> yeah, >> really, >> it's a it's a it's a thing. 00:45:53.200 --> 00:46:00.560 >> It's a meme. >> Oh, >> they'll get it. They'll get it. >> They'll get it. I don't where you 00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:06.079 compile your own everything. You compile your own dro. And again, that was not 00:46:03.520 --> 00:46:10.560 geared for me because I don't care about anything else than the kernel. So, the 00:46:08.560 --> 00:46:15.599 only thing I want to compile is my own kernel. So, I want a DRO that just 00:46:12.560 --> 00:46:17.280 installs and just works and and the only 00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:21.520 thing I will replace is actually the kernel. >> Follow-up question to that then that was 00:46:19.359 --> 00:46:26.880 on the Reddit was, do you think that the advantage of having a million different 00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:30.480 dros out there is also as disadvantage for Linux because there's so many 00:46:29.359 --> 00:46:34.960 options out there, >> right? I mean, I I think the fragmentation has been a huge 00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:40.480 disadvantage over the years. If you're a commercial 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:43.040 software developer, you don't have one 00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:48.400 target, you have multiple targets. >> And it's clearly held 00:46:45.680 --> 00:46:54.240 things back. At the same time, I mean, having the wild wild west kind of thing 00:46:51.520 --> 00:46:58.880 has its own advantages. And I think the open source community has worked very 00:46:56.319 --> 00:47:04.319 well in this environment. It it just hasn't worked for everybody. I think all 00:47:01.040 --> 00:47:07.440 the major distros are very aware that 00:47:04.319 --> 00:47:10.400 it's a problem and they are they would 00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:14.880 want to have a more unified like distribution but at the same time they 00:47:12.640 --> 00:47:19.599 all want that unified distribution to be their unified distribution. So 00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:23.599 >> anytime the topic of I want to set up a Linux computer comes up what should I 00:47:21.680 --> 00:47:26.079 pick and I don't think you could find two people that will ever give the same 00:47:25.359 --> 00:47:30.560 answer >> immediate flame war >> immediately becomes an argument. So 00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:35.520 >> I think it's part of the open source history too. 00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:37.200 >> We've had flame wars over editors. Those 00:47:35.520 --> 00:47:42.240 kind of died out. You have to have something that you believe passionately. 00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:45.359 >> So now that you've said Fedora though, this is the only one that anyone's ever 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:50.000 allowed to install again. Right. >> Right. Right. Now I when I'm emperor and 00:47:48.640 --> 00:47:53.119 king of the world, >> it will be Fedora. >> That will be Should we figure out this 00:47:52.319 --> 00:48:00.640 install thing? >> We can try flashing another drive if you want. I do think that maybe that is make 00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:05.119 updating. I I just can't tell if it's moving. >> So then what I'll let you do is 00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:09.040 >> Yeah. Do you want to show us how it's done here? >> Please. 00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:13.680 >> It's your operating system. >> By all means. >> This has never been more true than right 00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:20.319 now in this moment. >> Well, let's [laughter] 43 live ISO sounds about right. 00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:24.880 >> I I also don't know how to flash that image under Windows. So, you're you're 00:48:22.640 --> 00:48:26.640 on your own there. I I did the hard lifting here by 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:31.359 >> are you okay >> pressing the download button? >> That's a lot of pressure. >> What's your number one tech tip that you 00:48:30.720 --> 00:48:37.440 give people? >> I don't give people tech tips because 00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:39.680 >> I mean I sit in my office reading email 00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:43.520 and if somebody asks me over email for tech tips, I won't answer that. I mean 00:48:41.680 --> 00:48:46.319 that's not the kind of questions. >> I think they're emailing the wrong guy. 00:48:45.200 --> 00:48:52.480 >> Yeah, [laughter] you can forward it to me if you want. >> Yeah. Right. 00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:53.359 >> Stall fedora. Boom. Oh, he crazy as a 00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:58.319 fox. >> Wow. To be fair, the other Lionus did 00:48:56.160 --> 00:49:00.319 touch it in between. So, I think that cured it. 00:48:59.520 --> 00:49:03.920 >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, do you encrypt your drive? >> I I will encrypt, but not this time 00:49:03.520 --> 00:49:10.240 around. >> Got it. Right. I should keep this drive cuz then I might have a Linux install 00:49:08.319 --> 00:49:14.640 that isn't cursed. I can't believe it took me this long to work up the courage 00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:18.800 to ask. I can't believe you responded in like 15 minutes or whatever it was. 00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:22.960 >> Well, that's actually a rule for me. Really? I either respond almost 00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:28.400 immediately or you won't get a response at all. I don't leave stuff in my 00:49:26.319 --> 00:49:30.400 compost pile of a mailbox. >> That's something you guys don't have in 00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:35.599 common. >> No, I I use my inbox as like a like a 00:49:33.520 --> 00:49:38.640 neverending garbage to-do list. I actually like I like that a lot. 00:49:37.680 --> 00:49:43.680 >> Okay, good. >> How do you do it? Location services on or off? 00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:48.559 >> I'm okay. So my approach to privacy has been that I'm so public that the more I 00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:55.200 can poison the that well the better off I am. Don't try to make [snorts] be 00:49:51.359 --> 00:49:58.880 worried about something. Just give it 00:49:55.200 --> 00:50:00.559 all [music] out and be so uninteresting 00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:05.680 that nobody cares. >> What would be some of the first things that you would set up? 00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:10.880 >> I have my own background which is not quite as cartoonish as this. It's just a 00:50:08.319 --> 00:50:14.240 photo I took a nighttime photo. Is there any chance that we could get that 00:50:12.160 --> 00:50:17.200 background to share with people? Oh, you don't have you don't have to. There's no 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:20.880 pressure or anything, but >> I probably hide it on my phone. I can 00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:27.200 send it to somebody. >> And then if anyone wants to get the official Minis desktop wallpaper, 00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:30.000 >> do you have Android phones so that you get full resolution photos? 00:50:28.720 --> 00:50:34.880 >> You got to believe it. >> So that was one of the questions was 00:50:32.240 --> 00:50:39.359 iPhone or Android. And is there like a because it's, you know, has Linux as its 00:50:37.200 --> 00:50:43.440 backbone philosophical approach to choosing Now obviously part of it Yeah. 00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:49.280 No. Uh part of it is also I got free phones for 00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:50.480 a while for I mean people send me stuff. 00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:55.280 >> That's something we have in common. >> Yeah. So and and Apple never sent me a 00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:58.240 free phone for some strange reason. >> We have that in common too. [laughter] 00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:03.119 Apple doesn't like me. >> Okay. >> We had one final question for you. 00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:06.800 >> Has mainstream acceptance of Linux become more important to you or is it 00:51:05.200 --> 00:51:11.359 enough that everyone's using it whether they know it or not? I actually don't 00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:16.640 even care the whole enough that they you use it. I don't care. I care deeply 00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:19.680 about users in the sense that a project 00:51:16.640 --> 00:51:20.400 that doesn't have users is pointless. 00:51:19.680 --> 00:51:26.400 Right. Right. >> So users do give any project and my 00:51:24.319 --> 00:51:32.800 projects in particular then meaning in that sense. But at the same time if you 00:51:29.680 --> 00:51:34.960 don't use Linux that's again your bad 00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:39.839 choice. I don't it's it's it's that's not on me. As long as there are enough 00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:43.760 users that that what I do is meaningful and not just some mental masturbation, 00:51:42.720 --> 00:51:49.760 I'm fine. >> And you know what? 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[laughter] 00:53:15.359 --> 00:53:22.960 >> Yeah, be nice. >> Be nice, you guys. >> I I do have to say, I mean, one of the 00:53:19.839 --> 00:53:24.960 things having done this for 35 plus 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:30.240 years, [music] you learn to have a thick skin. I probably had a thick skin to 00:53:27.200 --> 00:53:32.559 begin with, but you get I get a lot of 00:53:30.240 --> 00:53:36.480 hate, too. I mean, you said I'm universally loved. No. 00:53:34.319 --> 00:53:38.880 >> Well, what I meant is throughout the universe, there are people that love 00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:44.720 you. Yeah. [laughter] >> Not that all of them do. If you search the whole universe, you are bound to 00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:44.720 find