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>> Oh. >> Oh, okay. That could work. >> That could work. For the folks too young

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to catch the Highlander reference, the joke is that we are both Lionus and this

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can only end with one of us losing our heads. My mind is blown. So maybe that

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counts. Guys, when I shot my shot asking the original tech Lionus to come and do

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a collab with us, I had no idea what he'd say. I mean, he's kind of a big

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deal, known for minor contributions to modern technology like Git and the Linux

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kernel, but he's here, the granddaddy of

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the operating systems that power everything from the Android phone in

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your hand to data centers around the world to more recently your new gaming

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PC. All thanks to the incredible work of open source developers and corporate

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sponsors like Valve. And I get to build a computer WITH THEM AND ASK HIM SOME OF

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YOUR QUESTIONS. And you think I'm the awkward one.

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>> Sorry. Look, I know that fangirling does

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make you a little bit uncomfortable. >> Yes. >> But you are here right now in my studio

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and this is so cool. So, I'll tell you what. If you could just quickly sign my

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copy of this and then I'll settle down. I promise. Okay.

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How cool is this, you guys?

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He made it out to fake Lionus

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from the real one. This is officially more valuable to me than this message

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from our sponsor. [laughter]

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>> What a segway is the one. It's got the

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>> You haven't written anything more recent autobiographically, so I went with this

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and the Wikipedia page. So that's about >> Yeah. No, that's fine. I mean, this was

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literally what we talked about earlier that I'll do anything once, like,

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>> Okay. No, I enjoyed the writing part. I do want to point out the David Diamond

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>> Oh, really? >> the publisher said no. >> They were right. >> It was very much a collab.

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>> He made that very clear in the parts that the italicized parts that are kind

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of his version of the telling of the story. But I really enjoyed this and uh

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covered by your own autobiographical works but >> from 25 years ago.

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>> Oh, okay. So then you might have forgotten the meaning of life for instance. Oh yeah, because that's in

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there. >> That's in there. >> Yeah. It's entertainment by the way >> and uh and and sex is a perfect example.

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>> It started for survival >> and then it became for uh society

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>> and then also entertainment. >> Say yeah the entertainment part. >> No, you were quite explicit in both

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meanings. >> Okay. >> Anything once. Anything once, right?

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>> We're not done yet. So you still have to do more.

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[laughter] >> When you say lionus, just to clarify,

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say a false Linus or something. >> Fake liners. Yeah. Yeah,

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>> today I can live with that. Now, you did an interview with ZDNet a number of

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you built yourself and we actually replicated that build. What did you

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think of our video? >> Oh, the one I never saw. >> Yeah.

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>> Uh yeah, sorry. >> I knew that was going to happen. And so the next thing I was going to ask you is

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what about this video? Are you going to watch this video? I probably won't

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because I will be feeling way too self-conscious to to actually watch it,

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but I might have to just because I will probably get emailed comments and then I

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>> I love that comments to you are email. >> It's the only media I use. Yeah. I don't

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do I don't do the whole social media thing. So, it's text for my family or

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email for everybody else. >> Right. So, I can text you. You actually

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can text me now. Yeah, >> that's actually pretty cool. So, you

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know what? Even though I am not one of the couple of dozen Torvoldses on the

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planet, right? >> I also have a madeup last name.

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>> So, my mom broke from her family,

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changed her name, >> and then got my dad to agree to use her

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name for me. >> Okay. Okay. So, I'm also Lionus with

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thought was a weird thing for us to have in common. >> Strange. Yeah. I mean, there's there's

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literally maybe 20 Torbtes in the whole world because yeah, my grandfather made

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that name up for very similar reasons. >> This is so much fun. You are actually

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doing amazing. It's nothing like that

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night that you barely slept before your first major speaking engagement,

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>> right? You really did read the book. >> Of course. >> Good on you.

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>> What? You think I would fake it? >> I don't know.

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people and don't actually read their book ahead of time. >> Well, I didn't watch your videos, so

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I am the beta linest today, so I fully accept that that's going to be what

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for writing emails. >> It's not the only thing I do, but I do spend a lot of time actually reading

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kernel with every module I can. And that's where you want something fairly

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powerful. And I mean, I'm sure, you know, NVIDIA is probably working on a

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people ask me what [music] I want and I was like, I don't want the crazy

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insane in any particular direction. So, >> you know what? We actually take a very

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work. [laughter] I think I've never I've always wanted to have something that

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just is reliable. And that's to me, I

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mean, that comes first. It needs to be something I can trust and work with. And

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then within that envelope, it needs to perform well and not be crazy bleeding

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edge. >> And he's letting me build it. >> Yeah, that may be. Let's see. I'm having

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way too much fun today. This is like the best day I've had in the office in

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like a very long time. Seriously. Okay, I'm sorry. I said I would stop. I'm I'm

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Okay, I'm done. I'm done. Choosing a motherboard for Linux is pretty

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straightforward. You want all of the usual things you want out of a motherboard. nice robust cooling, good

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power delivery, all the IO that you want, but of course you want to make

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well. >> Y >> can you talk a little bit about why that's so important? I don't understand

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why people don't require ECC in their machines because being able to trust

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your machine is like the number one thing and without ECC your memory will

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go bad. It's not a question of when it's or it is a question of when. I mean it

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just might take a few years. So when I built the machine, you apparently shot a

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RAM and uh it worked fine. It worked fine for a couple of years and then two

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violations. I'm obviously doing this on a modern Linux kernel that is being

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reliable. >> So for you, this is not a question of,

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software that millions of people around the world rely on. I need to know,

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doesn't. >> It really does not. Some of them have ECC on the chips themselves but then if

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something goes wrong between the DIM and the CPU you will never know. So you need

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>> I I I find that so irritating. It's a thing with me. I I do not touch machines

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that don't have ECC. >> Well, this one does. Thanks, Kingston,

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for sending this over. I know you hate voicemail. >> Yeah,

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>> that's another thing that we can bond over. >> I hate

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>> Maybe don't include that part. But [laughter] >> see, I must have done this, but I don't

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remember. >> Oh, wait. Why am I building your computer? You know how to build

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computers. >> I don't build computers anymore. Literally, it's 5 years since I built my

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last one. If you want me to build something, I actually This is what I

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built. >> I brought it for you. We're getting show and tell.

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>> We're getting show and tell. This I built. >> Hold on. Okay, let me try and figure it

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out. Let me try and figure it out. Hold on. Okay, it has a button. It [music]

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has a dial. It has power. >> Oh, it's a guitar effects pedal. It's a

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bad one, don't get me wrong. It's a horribly, horribly bad one. You'd never

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use this in real life, right? >> But I enjoy designing these things. And

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I actually solder these small pieces myself. I built this at home.

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Oh, these do help you see better. But do these make me look smarter?

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>> I can't tell them apart. >> Do I look like the smart Linus now? >> No. [laughter]

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what it sounds like? >> Oh, hell no. That's never going to happen. Uh I I don't actually play

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guitar. >> Oh, there you have it. Soon to be

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guitar. This is >> accessories.com. This is like the LT

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store except bad quality. >> Oh, did we get him some stuff? Does he

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have a care package? By the way, there's no pressure to take any of the stuff

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from the store. If you don't like it, you just say you don't like it and we'll work hard. We'll make something better

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for you later. Um, and this is not an endorsement in any way. It's just a

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gift. He doesn't have to say anything nice. In fact, you don't even have to look at it right now.

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reference that I personally appreciate very much. The next thing we're going to

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need is some storage. Last time around, you went with a giant 4 TBTE storage

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hundred megs out of it. Yeah. >> So, I wanted to ask, okay, why is that?

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upload it on the internet and if it's worth saving, somebody else will save it

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we have a reference to either Highlander or Mad Max in the intro. So, you must

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enjoy films, but you don't back up anything yourself.

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streaming these days. I mean, >> of course,

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media. >> Oh, see I am so naive in some ways. I

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tried to get him to do the excuse me, I'd like to interject for a moment, but

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he didn't he didn't get the reference or didn't think it was funny or something.

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I tried you guys. [laughter] >> If you've enjoyed what you've seen so

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far, we have a ton of exclusives over on Flowplane, including some behind the

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scenes and even some staff hanging out with Linus to ask him some questions. Go

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check it out at LMG.gg/flowplane. I mean, I'd like to interject for a

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both about Linux and Git and they want to know out of your two most famous

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brainchildren which one are you most proud of? Oh, Linux by far. I don't

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>> I worry about your children >> with spare parts maybe. [laughter]

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management. I felt it was almost as boring as databases. I never want to do

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databases. I mean in the same way I don't think you ever really wanted to

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make an operating system though did you? >> No. Operating systems are really

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interesting. I all my computing life I've done things close to hardware.

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between software and hardware. And I mean when I started that's the only way

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my first one. And there were no

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abstraction layers. If you wrote anything, you wrote it to the hardware.

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you wouldn't have felt the need to create Linux. Do you still feel that way?

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being lazy, and if somebody else does some [music] something better than than

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>> Right. Speaking of hardware, maybe we should build a computer here for a

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second. Um Oh, our cooler. You've talked

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about this very briefly already, but to you and this is another Linux thing in

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common. I love using computers. I hate hearing

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them. Oh, yeah. So, we got you an NHU12S

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TR5- SP6. >> What a catchy name.

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>> I know. They really have nailed down the

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engineering way of naming things. These guys are pure engineering all day, every

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on my Yep, that looks kind of similar. I

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mean I mean it's a heat sink. They all look the same. >> It's a perfectly chromulent wheel. We

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didn't feel the need to uh reinvent it. While I'm installing this, you have said

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interested in water cooling mainly because I feel it has the potential to

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be both less reliable than regular air

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cooling [music] and uh people have

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issues with it gurgling which I find to

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be a more annoying sound than like a

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nice big fan that just has a background

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whooshing sound. >> That is very fair. How about the next

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time we do this? >> Yep. I mean, you can you can prove me

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wrong. >> I I'll I'll try you out. >> I'll try you out. Because what's nice

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about water cooling is because you can get so much more surface area, you can

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some of the pumps are really nice and

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there's accessories that you can get to hook them up in tandem. So, you get

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redundancy. It's like ECC, >> but you don't get the redundancy for

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things growing in your cooling fluids and stuff like that.

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>> He does watch our videos. >> I've I've seen people with green stuff

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in there or leaking on your entire server rack. >> That's bad, too.

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>> Listen, his whole server rack just covered.

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>> Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. >> I'm still trying to convince you.

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>> Yeah, we're trying to get him back. >> Yeah. Way to go, Elijah. Yeah, I assume

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this is a special see-through LTT tech

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screwdriver. >> You better believe it. What do you think? >> I just like seeing inside technology and

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stuff. >> Oh, nice strategy. Oh,

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>> our community wanted to know what you do to relax.

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>> I read less than I used to, but that's still what I do these days. I mean, this

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is part of it. I just design pointless stuff. There's no pressure there. I

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actually don't think I have a very stressful life. >> How much of that do you think is

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attitude though? Because you do bring up that as the user base grew, you did feel

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more pressure, >> right? I mean, part of it is we have I

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wouldn't say perfected, but almost perfected the workflow. Uh we've used

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the same workflow for the kernel now for 20 years. And it's not just git, it's

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the whole release schedule. It's everything around it. And that means

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that you when you know what's going on and you kind of it's it's a predictable

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workflow. It's it's no [snorts] big

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surprises. That's not stressful. And

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technical problems are not stressful either because technology you can fix,

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right? And we're good at that. The main source of stress for me tends to be uh

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people. People you I mean I'm not a

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people person famously, right? >> NVIDIA you

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>> I think we're ready for the case. In which case,

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>> wow, >> that was that was terrible. Don't even

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give me a reaction for that. I deserve nothing. Uh Elijah, I want to hit us

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with one of our other community questions. >> If you could start Linux development all

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over again, what would you do differently? >> So, there's two answers to that. One is

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now that I know how hard it is, I would never have gotten started in the first

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place, right? You you need to have a certain amount of naive [music] to do

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something this big. The flip side of that answer is I would not do a thing

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differently because it worked so well and it's been such an enjoyable

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experience. I've been very lucky in my life. I was at a startup for seven years

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and I never felt that I was the smartest person in the room and I never want to

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feel that. Right. >> Right. >> You want to be surrounded by people more

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competent than you were. Right. Because otherwise what's the point?

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>> What brought you here? >> Well, sometimes it makes you feel good

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to be the smartest person in the room. [laughter]

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>> Uh that's a burn on you, too. I'm still

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hysterical. [laughter] >> The license choice. I still stand by

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100%. I love the GPL version two. I think it's it was the right license and

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it still is the right license. Now, this isn't one of our planned questions,

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[music] but have you ever thought about how much people have profited from

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that I feel very good about the fact that I now have two different projects

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that I started that both created

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billion-dollar companies. >> I think billion is an understatement.

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>> Yes. But I mean, clearly they people

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built billion-dollar companies on top of both of my big projects.

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that make you feel bad?" And I'm like, "No, you're not getting it. That makes

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me feel really good because that means that what I did was worthwhile and

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meaningful, right?" Does it weird you out a little bit that the largest entity

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known for for for Git at this point more

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broadly in terms of the user base is owned by Microsoft? It's strange in a

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historical context, right? >> But it's it's kind of funny at the same

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time, >> right? And and what I find even funnier

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is that so it turns out these days I think Microsoft makes more money of

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their cloud >> than they do of like Windows which is

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Linux. So, so we're we're friends,

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right? The rivalry took some more time, but that went away,

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too. And I'm very happy with that. >> I mean, I think that depends who you

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ask. Um, now that Linux is coming in a

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big way for gaming, there are certainly

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people at Microsoft, particularly in the Xbox division, who are feeling pretty

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combative and defensive about that. I can tell you that much. Yeah, I'm

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obviously not a gamer, so I I don't see that part. But

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>> you did make some games. >> Oh, very bad ones. Yes. No. But I mean,

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if you're a teenager and you're into computers, you will make a game. I mean,

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that's that's what you do. >> What? Didn't you make one, Lion? >> No. [snorts]

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>> Well, if you're competent and a teenager and into computers, you make a game. Uh,

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>> there are different kinds of competency. [laughter] I met a girl when I was a teenager.

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>> That fair enough. >> Now, you were pretty surprised to see

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that we had like a product lineup and that is a larger part of our our

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business these days. But I just I pulled this out to open up a box and I thought

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you might like it. This is actually made by another creator team, Evan and

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Caitlyn. Slide up. There you go. And then slide it back. >> Oh yeah.

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>> Isn't that cute? >> I actually know who you were talking about because I may not watch yours.

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>> What the heck? like every other YouTuber you mentioned. I know them, but

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>> how is that even possible? We share a name.

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>> Uh I now I've seen your videos, too. But you're talking about the guys or the

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couple who does like they do that pumpkin thing every year. That's where I

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know them from. >> Yeah. >> So, this is their product. >> You could stab somebody with this and

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you'd have fun doing it. >> Would you prefer that or the samurai sword? >> It's been [laughter]

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others in the in the creator space kind of parlaying what they learn sort of

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doing things with uh I I see and I know

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it's owned by Google but I see YouTube as almost like a like an opening up of

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knowledge in the same way that open source is that just was not available

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>> taking the knowledge they gain from this giant repository and just creating

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things. It's uh Yeah. So, I wanted to shout them out cuz I haven't actually

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talked about this yet. I bought one. They offered to give me one. I said, "You know what? That's so cool. I can't

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take it from you. Um I'll buy one." I guess this goes in here now. Elijah, do

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you want to hit us with another community question? >> Was there ever a moment that you got so

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close to just walking away and being done with developing Linux?

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>> No. No. I mean, there's been many, many, many moments where like I walk away and

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I just say that, hey, I I'm fed up. It

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might be some technical problem that I just been hitting my head against the

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wall or it might be like just somebody

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who annoys me and I'll walk away and I'll take a long warm bath and read a

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book because I'm like, I need to [music] relax. I need to just walk away from

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this. But it's always with the knowledge that hey, tomorrow morning I'll be there

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fresh as roses. >> Okay, we're going to go a little deeper

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now. I do think that when you do things that are consequential,

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the other things can start to feel inconsequential and therefore boring.

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[music] Do you feel that if you reach the stage where

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you're not you don't feel needed with Linux that it'll be very difficult?

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the guy who halts on to something. And I've always said that if somebody better

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really hope that's true. Uh, okay. Well, I wired up your bottom fans, and maybe

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now is a good time for us to talk about your case. SO, THIS THE FRACTAL Torrent

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was chosen because it has two gigantor

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fans in the front. Scandinavian design. That's sort of what they're

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>> I'm hoping I see there's a mesh there. So there's a mesh dust will not go in.

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>> Oh, this is not on our scheduled questions, but cats or dogs?

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>> Both. I don't count cats and dogs even as pets. They they become family

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members. >> Um dogs maybe even more so than cats,

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even though I started out with cats. >> But then you have pets like

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>> rats and gerbles and fish. Oh, fish aren't even pets. Fish. Fish are pests.

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I don't understand people who do aquariums. >> But we're not judging.

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>> No, I mean, >> no, it's not you. It's not a Linus thing

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to be judgmental. >> Yeah. Okay.

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>> Sorry. [laughter] >> No, we've had everything. Uh, rats were great.

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>> I've heard they're awesome. >> They are. I mean, we

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>> the the biggest problem with the rats was that they only live for three years,

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and that broke my daughter's heart, and she said, "Never again." because they

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don't live long enough, too. >> And and they they like they bond and

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they're so social. >> They are very social. They're they're fun. They're they're nice creatures.

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>> Did you know that Alberta, Canada, is the only place on Earth other than I

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believe the Antarctic continent where there are no rats? I

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>> think Canadians might be overly proud of this because maybe it's because even

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rats don't want to live. >> That's crazy. >> Sorry. [laughter]

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Yeah, you need to cut that out. But >> Oh, no. That's hilarious. I love it. I

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love it. >> See, what I was what I was teeing myself up for was they were erraticated, but

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[music] his was better.

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>> Okay, I think our next order of business is power.

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We went very overkill.

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>> Okay, I see that. 1600 watts. >> That is the Prime TX1600.

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>> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. >> Oh, yeah. That'll be fine. And what we

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>> 12-year warranty. And we both like

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silence and because it's so efficient and rated for so much power, that fan is

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unlikely to ever even spin. [music] Very good. You know, power supplies matter.

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They're They may not be the sexiest part of a computer, but they do matter.

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>> That's what I tell my wife about my power supply.

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>> Wow. [gasps] I'm going to switch spots with you. I'm

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going to Whoa. Which one's which now? Okay. Okay. I couldn't get him to do the

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I'd like to interject, but can you just stand there for a second and then just point at me?

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>> Oh, you're going to dub over this. >> No, no, no, no, no, no. This is for the

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Spider-Man meme. >> I don't do social media, so I don't do the memes.

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>> The Spider-Man's point at each other, and they're both Spider-Man. Don't worry about it.

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>> It'll it'll be great. >> Okay. >> Yeah. [laughter]

426
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,840
>> I'm trying to actually build it. Elijah, save me. Hit me with a couple of rapid

427
00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:41,440
fire questions. Is it pronounced GIF or GIF?

428
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:47,480
>> Oh, it's GIF. No. >> YES. YES.

429
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,480
>> NO, I'm kidding. It's GIF.

430
00:30:48,431 --> 00:30:56,000
[music] >> I actually got this question. Not this question, but somebody sent me an email

431
00:30:53,279 --> 00:31:00,960
asking me if [music] Git is with a hard G or a soft G like GIF.

432
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,440
>> And I was like, [music] don't don't even make that joke.

433
00:31:01,919 --> 00:31:09,120
>> Okay. Hit us with another one. Elijah, >> you were talking about it earlier, walking away from Linux briefly. Well,

434
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:12,960
what happens to Linux if you just die? >> Wow,

435
00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:14,559
>> what a weird way to ask that. >> That's what the community wanted to

436
00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:18,640
know. >> The traditional question is actually if you get hit by a bus.

437
00:31:18,159 --> 00:31:22,720
>> Oh, >> the implication is that I die. But >> okay, can we redo the take then?

438
00:31:22,491 --> 00:31:28,320
[laughter] >> No, no, you're stuck with it now. Uh,

439
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,480
you asked Lennis Torbald's that question. I

440
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:35,279
>> You have to live with that. >> No, the community. >> Unless you just die.

441
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:40,399
>> Well, wait. [laughter] You know what? We have such a healthy

442
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:44,880
development community, it's it's ridiculous. Most other open- source

443
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:50,080
projects have like a couple of people involved. If it's a healthy community,

444
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:54,720
they might have tens. We have a thousand people involved in every single release.

445
00:31:52,240 --> 00:32:01,519
And we do releases every nine months, every nine weeks. If I fall down and die

446
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,919
or my plane crashes on the way back home

447
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:06,440
from >> Oh, I don't want to be responsible for that.

448
00:32:08,342 --> 00:32:10,362
[music]

449
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:19,360
>> That would kill my reputation completely. >> Well, but then you can do the intro with

450
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:25,120
the swords and and make it really impressive, right? >> Oh, lordy.

451
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,880
>> There it can be only one. and I killed

452
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:30,720
the other one. On the internet, nobody has good taste, so it it would become a

453
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,720
meme, I'm sure. >> Is this you approving that we can do that then?

454
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:38,799
>> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. If I'm dead, I won't care. >> Okay, speaking of you're dead and won't

455
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:42,159
be able to, I guess, consent to it. >> What necrophilia? No. >> No, no, that's not where I WAS GOING.

456
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:49,200
>> JESUS. >> THAT'S NOT [laughter] WHERE I was going. I was going to go into the topic about

457
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:51,519
AI and generative AI. Is it a bubble or

458
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:56,159
is it a computing revolution? I mean it's clear it's clearly both right it's

459
00:32:54,080 --> 00:33:00,480
clearly a bubble and at the same time it's very interesting and I think it

460
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:06,399
will change society and I think it will change how most skilled jobs get done at

461
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:12,720
the same time I don't think it's as revolutionary as people make it out to

462
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:15,039
be I want to specifically talk about AI

463
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:21,360
with respect to coding and particularly vibe coding what are your thoughts on an

464
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:23,760
AI model being trained on on the work of

465
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:28,000
real people like in in the artistic community rightfully angry that the AI

466
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:34,159
never would have been able to do anything without the large scale theft

467
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:37,120
of work. So what is your take on on

468
00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:41,440
that? [music] I'm like that's reality. Deal with it. That genie is out of the

469
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:44,720
bottle. You're not you're not getting it back. And you're not getting it back

470
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:51,039
whether you are a photographer who's out of work. Those things are gone, right?

471
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:58,399
because you can fake pictures so much better now or you're a programmer that

472
00:33:54,799 --> 00:34:00,320
has to learn to deal with a new reality.

473
00:33:58,399 --> 00:34:06,480
I think actually on the programming side, we're in a fairly good spot. I

474
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,879
really think that AI will be a tool and

475
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:13,119
it will make people more productive. I think that vibe coding is great for

476
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,000
getting into [music] programming. I think it's going to be a horrible thing

477
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:21,359
to maintain. Right. >> Oh yeah. >> Right. So I don't think programmers go

478
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:27,839
away. You still want to have the people who know how to maintain the end result.

479
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:34,079
I'm a huge believer in AI. I'm not a huge believer in the the whole things

480
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:37,599
going on around AI. I I find the market

481
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:38,240
marketing and the market to be sick and

482
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:43,119
twisted [music] and and there is going to be a crash and

483
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:47,040
it's not it's going to be ugly. >> Not financial advice.

484
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:51,040
>> No, no, no. No financial advice. >> Speaking of companies that are growing

485
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:56,079
exponentially, uh we opted not for one of their GPUs.

486
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:58,880
>> Wow, what a segue again.

487
00:34:56,079 --> 00:35:02,480
>> This to be fair, I have to say I famously uh was not a huge fan of

488
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:08,880
NVIDIA. >> You Mhm. Yes, that >> but was a thing. [clears throat]

489
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:11,359
>> The AI thing has actually made things so

490
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:15,280
much better because it turns out NVIDIA cares about

491
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:17,520
>> well where the money comes. Turns out, >> it turns [laughter] out that is always

492
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:26,480
the case. >> That was a big surprise for us. >> But what you uh didn't choose was the

493
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:29,520
classic Linux-, which is a Radeon card.

494
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:31,839
You specifically requested an Intel Arc,

495
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:35,760
which is going to raise at least a few eyebrows into a shape like a Ark.

496
00:35:34,669 --> 00:35:40,160
[snorts] >> Thanks, Elijah. You know what? Let's

497
00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:44,640
keep you. Let's put you on the boat with uh two of everything.

498
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:46,320
>> OH, THE ARK. YEAH, [screaming] LET'S GO.

499
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:51,119
>> WOW. It never ends. >> According to Wikipedia back in 2006,

500
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:54,480
little outdated, it was estimated that your code was about 2% of the Linux

501
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:59,040
kernel. >> Oh, yeah. >> If you had to guess now, or if you know,

502
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:03,760
what percentage would you say it is today? >> The first version of Linux was like

503
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:08,960
10,000 lines. I'm sure I've written code since then, but

504
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:13,040
but there's been thousands of people involved. And what I do these days is I

505
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:17,760
don't write code. Sometimes I write code snippets and send them out as emails and

506
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:21,200
saying something like this in the hopes that somebody else will then write the

507
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:26,079
final tested code [music] and send it back to me. >> Hey, that's another thing Lionuses do is

508
00:36:23,839 --> 00:36:29,200
send crappy incomplete emails for other people to do the work.

509
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:34,000
>> Yeah. No, that's that's my life. Lines of code is not something you should ever

510
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:40,720
attribute any importance to. >> Yeah. So like when we have 5 million

511
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:43,040
lines of code for uh hardware

512
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:50,560
descriptions, they're actually generated from the literal hardware

513
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,040
descriptions that AMD uses to do their

514
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:57,680
car. [music] >> What's more important is your Linus of codes and we have one of those.

515
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:02,880
>> The puns. The puns, they keep on coming. There was a recent thing [music] from a

516
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:06,800
major tech company where uh developers were asked to say how many lines of code

517
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:11,599
they wrote and if it wasn't enough they were terminated. And there was someone

518
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:13,680
here that was extremely upset about that approach to measuring productivity

519
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:20,720
because >> Oh yeah. Now you shouldn't even be upset at that point. That's just incompetence.

520
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:27,680
Anybody who thinks that's a valid metric is too stupid to work at a tech company.

521
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,640
You do know who you just said that about, right?

522
00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:36,480
>> No. >> Oh. Uh, he was a prominent figure in the

523
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:41,520
um improved efficiency of the US government recently.

524
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:43,200
>> Oh, apparently I was spot on. [laughter]

525
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:46,400
>> Is this up to your standards? If I just kind of get these strapped down here,

526
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:50,800
then are we good? Is it Scandinavian enough?

527
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:54,960
>> I have somebody to blame. If somebody ever makes fun of my machine, I like I

528
00:37:53,520 --> 00:38:01,680
had nothing to do with it. Oh, well that's a lot of pressure. >> It was Lionus's fault. [laughter]

529
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:03,520
>> Yeah. Nice. Damn, that didn't work.

530
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,800
>> You were traveling just before this trip. How often do you get to travel

531
00:38:05,976 --> 00:38:13,119
[music] uh for your line of work or have to? >> Um, yeah. Whoever wrote that question

532
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:19,599
doesn't realize that it's not get to travel, it's it's a pain. one year

533
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:22,800
fairly early on I was counting the days

534
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:26,160
I was away from home and I was away more

535
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:28,560
than half the year and that's also the

536
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:32,400
year I decided never again and this was literally this must have been 30 years

537
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:39,359
ago this was when I was still living in Finland I don't enjoy traveling for work

538
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:45,760
uh these days at least I travel in business class so that if I do the long

539
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:50,240
overseas ones I lay flat and try to sleep through

540
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:54,320
flights. That makes it bearable, but it doesn't make it fun. I don't tend to

541
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:58,240
enjoy big cities. I mean, some of them are interesting. I still enjoy going to

542
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:01,599
Tokyo for some I don't know why Tokyo is one of those cities that even as a big

543
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:06,320
city is actually >> it's got so much character. Yes, it it

544
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:09,599
it does things differently. >> So, this question was supposed to

545
00:39:07,839 --> 00:39:12,960
transition us into saying thank you so much for coming up here. I

546
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:19,359
>> to the big city of Vancouver. Well, no, but I was blown away when we arranged

547
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:23,520
for this and I was ready to move heaven and earth and bring everything to you

548
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:28,079
and you were just like, "Oh, yeah. Well, no. I mean, I guess I'll just come up to

549
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:33,520
you guys." That >> mean, but it makes so much more sense.

550
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:36,960
And honestly, I as I told Fake Lenus

551
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:39,119
here, um I I actually enjoy doing

552
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:46,480
something different. He compared this experience to a pre-academy awards uh

553
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,440
dinner gala thing as well as flying in a

554
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,760
fighter jet. >> Well, I didn't compare this to that.

555
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:55,440
>> You mentioned those things >> in the [laughter] same sentence.

556
00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:00,480
>> Yes. >> No, it is one of the things I have

557
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:06,160
enjoyed uh as part of Linux has been that I've been able to do things that

558
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:09,599
most people don't get to do, right? And

559
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:11,440
most people don't get to come and have

560
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:17,440
>> fake leaners build a computer for them. >> That's right. >> So, this is actually fun. [laughter]

561
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:20,400
>> Sounds like Please don't sound like you have a gun to your head off camera.

562
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:24,400
>> No, no, no, no, no. I love [laughter] it. I love it. Honestly, that would be

563
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,599
the that would be if we weren't if we didn't still have a lot to do, that

564
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,839
would be like the best final line of the video. [laughter]

565
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:34,640
>> This was fun. >> Fun.

566
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:39,520
>> This is one people wanted. Lionus or Linus.

567
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,560
>> So if you speak Swedish to me, >> it's Linus.

568
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,880
>> Oh, okay. I don't even know what they do.

569
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:50,880
>> First, dude. >> Oh, no. I did it. Oh, [laughter] and he's going to leave.

570
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:54,320
>> That's okay. The video can be building 65% of a computer [laughter] with a

571
00:40:53,520 --> 00:41:01,040
store. >> When I moved to the US and started speaking English, I I started saying

572
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:04,480
Lionus. Even coming over here and interacting with English-speaking

573
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:09,440
people, most of them don't know how to pronounce our name anyway. [music]

574
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:13,520
So if you have to correct them anyway. Oh, but I don't want to correct them.

575
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:19,119
Like I don't go by TWS because nobody can pronounce TWS.

576
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:24,560
>> Don't even try. [laughter] Right. But after I spoke such fluent Swedish

577
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:29,040
>> before coming into this, did you know anything or did you search anything

578
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:33,599
about my personal Linux hy jinks [music] that I've experienced?

579
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:39,839
>> Why are the two columns open source and installed? So, I consciously did not uh

580
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:44,400
search after. I mean, I've heard of you. Don't I mean, I made fun of the fact

581
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:50,800
that that I knew all the other YouTubers, but uh yes, I I knew of you

582
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:56,319
and I'd seen videos of you, but at the same time, I did not want to come in

583
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,839
here having researched the hardware or

584
00:41:56,319 --> 00:42:04,240
researched you. >> I have accidentally deleted my entire

585
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:05,760
guey without realizing what I was doing. Hey,

586
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:13,040
>> that was something. >> I've done that. >> And I have to type yes, do as I say in

587
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:15,760
order to install it. And maybe it will

588
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:21,040
install and launch. Now, what is the point of having a Oh,

589
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:23,040
>> I managed to completely brick an

590
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:26,640
install. Um, [music] trying to do something as simple as install Steam.

591
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,599
>> What are you talking about? I've done nothing with this other than install

592
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:35,040
that hard info thing. >> How did this line up with your expectations for today? I didn't really

593
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:38,720
have a lot of expectations. I I'm not saying the expectations were low. I I'm

594
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:42,640
saying [laughter] they they were non-existent. It's like I didn't know

595
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:47,359
much expect, [music] >> right? You're a groundbreaking YouTuber.

596
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:53,440
That's what the message here is. You are you are changing the world.

597
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,599
>> That's a great sound bite. Let's just do the whole video with just that. See?

598
00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:01,760
>> Yeah. >> Okay. So, >> 15 seconds. So, this is basically this

599
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:04,720
is basically on you now because if you give a reporter a sound bite like that,

600
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:10,960
obviously they're going to cut all the rest of the part where they say they had literally zero expectations of you.

601
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:14,319
>> Maybe that's that's why there's so little video of me because people

602
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,680
decided, "Yep, we're better off without this." >> Do you want to do the honors? Here we

603
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,920
go. >> Don't miss it. You missed it. There's a

604
00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:25,280
fan rubbing. Elijah, >> you closed the side panel, sir.

605
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:29,920
>> I cursed it when I closed the side panel. I knew it. That's that gentle

606
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:34,640
whooshing sound you asked for. Right. >> That's [laughter] Yeah. No, it's like a

607
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,640
cat purring in your lap.

608
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,720
>> When we tested it, it was not making that sound. So, I am blaming you

609
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:44,000
building it. >> Wait, I see it. >> It is the fan. >> It fell out of It fell out of the uh

610
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:49,760
little cable management groove. [music] We got this. Everything is fine.

611
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:53,200
Everything is saved. 64 gigs of RAM all showing up. That's a good sign. That

612
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:58,720
means all of our pads are contacting the pins in the motherboard socket. are

613
00:43:55,359 --> 00:44:00,800
>> okay. Try with the XMPP profile enabled.

614
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:03,760
Just try it. See you. >> Living on the wild side. Hit us with a

615
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:09,760
rapid fire question. >> This one on our Reddit got almost 100 up votes. What do you prefer, Xbox,

616
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:13,200
PlayStation, or Nintendo Switch? >> We don't have an Xbox. We do have a

617
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:17,440
PlayStation. I don't think it's been turned on in a year because it gets

618
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:22,000
turned on for Christmas when the kids come back to town and they play [music]

619
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:26,960
whatever. They play Little Bigplet and something else. We had a Nintendo. I

620
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:29,599
think we had a [music] We had the Wii U. The The odd one, right? The one that

621
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:35,520
Yeah, that'd be the Wii U. >> Yeah. And to be fair, I've played games,

622
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,079
too. I What's the Shoot the Dinosaurs

623
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:42,400
game? >> Horizon. Um Horizon Zero Dawn. >> Yeah, I actually like that a lot.

624
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,960
>> Here's something cool. Horizon Zero Dawn was the first game I played all the way

625
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:49,680
through on Linux. >> Oh, it works on Linux now. >> Sure does. >> Okay. Yeah, we're

626
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:52,800
>> Let's go. >> Nobody does the test the media. That

627
00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:59,599
takes forever. >> These are the real tech tips. The real Linus tech tips right here. Let's go. Do

628
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:04,640
you want to install Fedora? >> Fedora is still your your distrib.

629
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:08,456
>> No, I mean I I can do the heavy lifting and press that button. Thank you.

630
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:15,040
>> Well, I I would I would I would hate to, [music] you know, uh step on your Linux.

631
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:19,839
>> This is presumably a newer version than whatever I installed last time.

632
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:22,319
>> Why Fedora? They being very

633
00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:28,240
closely aligned to kernel developers. They made things easier like Abuntu

634
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:33,599
very much wanted to be like a consumer oriented thing and in the process when I

635
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:38,000
tried it many many years ago they literally made it hard for me to upgrade

636
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the kernel because that was not their target audience. [music] So I said yeah

637
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this is not for me clearly by design. And at the same time, there are the

638
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:50,800
really tech oriented ones where >> by the way.

639
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:54,079
>> By the [music] way, >> yeah, >> really, >> it's a it's a it's a thing.

640
00:45:53,200 --> 00:46:00,560
>> It's a meme. >> Oh, >> they'll get it. They'll get it. >> They'll get it. I don't where you

641
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:06,079
compile your own everything. You compile your own dro. And again, that was not

642
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:10,560
geared for me because I don't care about anything else than the kernel. So, the

643
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:15,599
only thing I want to compile is my own kernel. So, I want a DRO that just

644
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:17,280
installs and just works and and the only

645
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:21,520
thing I will replace is actually the kernel. >> Follow-up question to that then that was

646
00:46:19,359 --> 00:46:26,880
on the Reddit was, do you think that the advantage of having a million different

647
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:30,480
dros out there is also as disadvantage for Linux because there's so many

648
00:46:29,359 --> 00:46:34,960
options out there, >> right? I mean, I I think the fragmentation has been a huge

649
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:40,480
disadvantage over the years. If you're a commercial

650
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:43,040
software developer, you don't have one

651
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:48,400
target, you have multiple targets. >> And it's clearly held

652
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:54,240
things back. At the same time, I mean, having the wild wild west kind of thing

653
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:58,880
has its own advantages. And I think the open source community has worked very

654
00:46:56,319 --> 00:47:04,319
well in this environment. It it just hasn't worked for everybody. I think all

655
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:07,440
the major distros are very aware that

656
00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:10,400
it's a problem and they are they would

657
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:14,880
want to have a more unified like distribution but at the same time they

658
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:19,599
all want that unified distribution to be their unified distribution. So

659
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:23,599
>> anytime the topic of I want to set up a Linux computer comes up what should I

660
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,079
pick and I don't think you could find two people that will ever give the same

661
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:30,560
answer >> immediate flame war >> immediately becomes an argument. So

662
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:35,520
>> I think it's part of the open source history too.

663
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:37,200
>> We've had flame wars over editors. Those

664
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:42,240
kind of died out. You have to have something that you believe passionately.

665
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:45,359
>> So now that you've said Fedora though, this is the only one that anyone's ever

666
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:50,000
allowed to install again. Right. >> Right. Right. Now I when I'm emperor and

667
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:53,119
king of the world, >> it will be Fedora. >> That will be Should we figure out this

668
00:47:52,319 --> 00:48:00,640
install thing? >> We can try flashing another drive if you want. I do think that maybe that is make

669
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:05,119
updating. I I just can't tell if it's moving. >> So then what I'll let you do is

670
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:09,040
>> Yeah. Do you want to show us how it's done here? >> Please.

671
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:13,680
>> It's your operating system. >> By all means. >> This has never been more true than right

672
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:20,319
now in this moment. >> Well, let's [laughter] 43 live ISO sounds about right.

673
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:24,880
>> I I also don't know how to flash that image under Windows. So, you're you're

674
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,640
on your own there. I I did the hard lifting here by

675
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:31,359
>> are you okay >> pressing the download button? >> That's a lot of pressure. >> What's your number one tech tip that you

676
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:37,440
give people? >> I don't give people tech tips because

677
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:39,680
>> I mean I sit in my office reading email

678
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:43,520
and if somebody asks me over email for tech tips, I won't answer that. I mean

679
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,319
that's not the kind of questions. >> I think they're emailing the wrong guy.

680
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:52,480
>> Yeah, [laughter] you can forward it to me if you want. >> Yeah. Right.

681
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:53,359
>> Stall fedora. Boom. Oh, he crazy as a

682
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:58,319
fox. >> Wow. To be fair, the other Lionus did

683
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,319
touch it in between. So, I think that cured it.

684
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,920
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, do you encrypt your drive? >> I I will encrypt, but not this time

685
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:10,240
around. >> Got it. Right. I should keep this drive cuz then I might have a Linux install

686
00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:14,640
that isn't cursed. I can't believe it took me this long to work up the courage

687
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:18,800
to ask. I can't believe you responded in like 15 minutes or whatever it was.

688
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:22,960
>> Well, that's actually a rule for me. Really? I either respond almost

689
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:28,400
immediately or you won't get a response at all. I don't leave stuff in my

690
00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:30,400
compost pile of a mailbox. >> That's something you guys don't have in

691
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:35,599
common. >> No, I I use my inbox as like a like a

692
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:38,640
neverending garbage to-do list. I actually like I like that a lot.

693
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:43,680
>> Okay, good. >> How do you do it? Location services on or off?

694
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:48,559
>> I'm okay. So my approach to privacy has been that I'm so public that the more I

695
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:55,200
can poison the that well the better off I am. Don't try to make [snorts] be

696
00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:58,880
worried about something. Just give it

697
00:49:55,200 --> 00:50:00,559
all [music] out and be so uninteresting

698
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:05,680
that nobody cares. >> What would be some of the first things that you would set up?

699
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:10,880
>> I have my own background which is not quite as cartoonish as this. It's just a

700
00:50:08,319 --> 00:50:14,240
photo I took a nighttime photo. Is there any chance that we could get that

701
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:17,200
background to share with people? Oh, you don't have you don't have to. There's no

702
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,880
pressure or anything, but >> I probably hide it on my phone. I can

703
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:27,200
send it to somebody. >> And then if anyone wants to get the official Minis desktop wallpaper,

704
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:30,000
>> do you have Android phones so that you get full resolution photos?

705
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:34,880
>> You got to believe it. >> So that was one of the questions was

706
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:39,359
iPhone or Android. And is there like a because it's, you know, has Linux as its

707
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:43,440
backbone philosophical approach to choosing Now obviously part of it Yeah.

708
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:49,280
No. Uh part of it is also I got free phones for

709
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,480
a while for I mean people send me stuff.

710
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:55,280
>> That's something we have in common. >> Yeah. So and and Apple never sent me a

711
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:58,240
free phone for some strange reason. >> We have that in common too. [laughter]

712
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:03,119
Apple doesn't like me. >> Okay. >> We had one final question for you.

713
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:06,800
>> Has mainstream acceptance of Linux become more important to you or is it

714
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:11,359
enough that everyone's using it whether they know it or not? I actually don't

715
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:16,640
even care the whole enough that they you use it. I don't care. I care deeply

716
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:19,680
about users in the sense that a project

717
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,400
that doesn't have users is pointless.

718
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:26,400
Right. Right. >> So users do give any project and my

719
00:51:24,319 --> 00:51:32,800
projects in particular then meaning in that sense. But at the same time if you

720
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:34,960
don't use Linux that's again your bad

721
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:39,839
choice. I don't it's it's it's that's not on me. As long as there are enough

722
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:43,760
users that that what I do is meaningful and not just some mental masturbation,

723
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:49,760
I'm fine. >> And you know what? I won't feel bad if you don't use

724
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:56,119
this product or service from our sponsor.

725
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,119
Wake them up.

726
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:02,960
This has got all the apps you need. >> No. No. [music] There will be no Songs

727
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:09,720
of Odo, the all-in-one business app subscription. Tell me,

728
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,720
where are the others?

729
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:17,680
We have ways of making you talk. >> Sing.

730
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:20,079
>> No. I Wait. No. How are you doing that?

731
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:25,000
>> Time for this song bird [music] to fly. >> Wait.

732
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,000
NO.

733
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,920
>> Who's got all your [music] business apps? Save money and time. Got to plug

734
00:52:32,319 --> 00:52:37,680
the gaps. I'm talking about sales, inventory and scheduling and a million

735
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,960
other benefits that odo brings. So if you think about time you'll spend

736
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:44,720
dreaming of when subscription hell will end. [music] Realize that there's one

737
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:51,440
way through and all in one solution. Yes, it's true. Listen when I say that

738
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:54,960
all you got to do is oh do this was

739
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:59,599
amazing. This vastly exceeded my

740
00:52:54,960 --> 00:53:03,280
expectations. This was so cool. Um,

741
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:05,760
thank you so much on behalf of me, my

742
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:08,960
team, the audience. I think you guys leave some love down in the comments

743
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:13,839
below. Please, >> I mean, this was odd for me. I I I've

744
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:17,040
enjoyed it. Let's hope I enjoy it after I read the comments, too. [laughter]

745
00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:22,960
>> Yeah, be nice. >> Be nice, you guys. >> I I do have to say, I mean, one of the

746
00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:24,960
things having done this for 35 plus

747
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:30,240
years, [music] you learn to have a thick skin. I probably had a thick skin to

748
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:32,559
begin with, but you get I get a lot of

749
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:36,480
hate, too. I mean, you said I'm universally loved. No.

750
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:38,880
>> Well, what I meant is throughout the universe, there are people that love

751
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:44,720
you. Yeah. [laughter] >> Not that all of them do. If you search the whole universe, you are bound to

752
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,720
find