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there are thousands of games even entire genres that can only be played

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on an old Windows 98 PC like this one but it sucks it's big it's loud it's

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heavy unless I spend extra money the most reliable way to transfer files to

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it is to burn a Flippin CDR but it's my

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only hope if I want to share my favorite childhood games with my kids

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wait what is this Windows 98 running on a modern computer

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the hardware even all works what sorcery

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completely rid of our friend scale here anytime soon PC emulators that is to say

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software that emulates the hardware of a retro PC rather than emulating a retro

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game console have gotten extremely good

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in the last couple of years now there were already solutions to running older

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software dosbox and Windows compatibility mode come to mind but this

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is different PCM is an honest to goodness we're even

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emulating the CPU and firmware solution that drastically improve software

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compatibility can your dosbox do this

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I'm impressed that sound is working and check this out

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it's a whole working PC BIOS there's not

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much we can do in here I mean even things we take for granted

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now like overclocking we're not done in firmware in those days it would have

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been like conductive pencil mods uh replacing oscillators there were jumpers

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jumpers you had moving jumpers around on the motherboard now we're in Windows I

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don't remember process Explorer this was an add-on or something right uh yeah so

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this is assist internals app we actually have a video on that basically this

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gives us a much better task manager experience there's something that I

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would always do oh yeah yeah you have to go in here and you have to uncheck this

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you got to be like oh do you have a proxy yeah it would make things really

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slow every single time you launched Internet Explorer speaking of which

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obviously Internet Explorer is not going to work but we are on the network are we

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go to entire network all right here we go no what no we do not have an IP how

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is it that Windows networking tools have actually gotten worse I know right the

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fact that this just has a release and renew button right there

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hey look at that here we go and check it

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out all those all those familiar faces no way wait can I just

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okay well it makes sense that Yvonne's um workstation would not just let people

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browse it do I have no I don't have any shared anything okay what about a Nas

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though well the thing about wow

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I was going to say the thing about Windows 98 is that it will use the login

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that you chose at the beginning for all of your logins for Network places so it

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probably wouldn't have worked but this enables Anonymous access so it totally

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works can I just no not enough free disk space it's only

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an 8 gig disk there you go okay

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I wasn't expecting that Windows 98's file sharing is ancient most things

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don't support it I remember it being terrible now this is with the unofficial

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Service Pack three yeah so it has like up-to-date stuff

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but it's still a pain to get set up and it doesn't work with like Windows 10

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Windows 11. yeah that's a Linux server that I was pulling files off of yeah

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because that was a Plex server or whatever it was on my RAID yeah as I

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mentioned obviously Internet Explorer is completely unsupported on the modern web

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but we can fire up Opera which is still

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available for Windows 98 or like this is a version of Opera that only really runs

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as a consequence of installing a package

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called kernel X which kind of emulates Windows 2000 so we're kind of multiple

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levels deep here I see that being said not everything will work

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https generally doesn't like to work there are other browsers you can try but

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you can also use the old web the oldnet.com okay

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1998

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how have I never seen this before this is amazing

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there it is

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pc97.com baby netlink computer Inc your

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One-Stop computer and internet Store the store that I used to work at ncix.com

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this was their original domain click here for more options

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PC filter that was my job much later the software that enables all

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of this PCM was originally written by Sarah Walker as an open source project

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that as we saw when we were booting it up uses the original BIOS ROMs for old

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motherboards and gpus to emulate the

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hardware in its entirety and there is a shocking amount of Hardware supported

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everything from the original IBM PC and

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plasma display luggables all the way up to the Pentium 2 with pretty much

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everything in between and with support for a wide variety of both sound and

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video devices some of which are really obscure I think what's most impressive

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though is how easy it is to set up the user interface is so intuitive that with

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no guidance whatsoever I managed to stumble my way through it in about 15

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minutes after which I had my kids playing The Magic School Bus explores

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the solar system like it was 1994. I mean it helps a little bit that I used

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Windows 98 back in the day and I wrote down explicit instructions for how to

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use it on my underwear which by the way

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is now available on ltdstore.com with new patterns now because it emulates the

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original hardware and not just the environment like dosbox does you can run

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basically any software from the time period including Windows and even

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alternative operating systems like os2 and BOS which has been not impossible to

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do up until now unless you used very old virtual machine software that provided

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virtual devices that were compatible with these old os's and even then you're

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not running that old software on a brand new machine which clearly isn't a

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problem here on a 12900k Anthony has set

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up a period accurate Windows 98 SE virtual machine complete with Pentium 2

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CPU 3dfx Voodoo 3 GPU and a sound card

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that can do eax for the full win 98

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experience that's a really big deal because a lot of games in the Windows 98

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era not only used 3D video acceleration

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but also used audio acceleration to

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enhance the overall immersiveness something that Windows Vista dropped

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support for entirely it's time to play some games Anthony you

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didn't tell me we were going to go off script because I have to play Road Rash

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I had to install all these games to test them and make sure that they all work

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you know and as a little surprise I guess I left them installed I'm so

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excited I love road rash excited

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let's go oh what you guys are looking at

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right now is how you put a disc into the drive it just uses a virtual CD-ROM so

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as long as you have those isos on your host computer

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you can pop them in and race DirectX 3.0 a oh man even just

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this intro screen is so good the arcade

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version no character selection no bike shop no unnecessary gossip just pick a

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race and go man remember when you could actually just play a racing game yep

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okay could you change the camera angle I forget no this is it are you sure this

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is how the game looks I'm pretty sure oh yeah because this is me this is me right

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yeah yeah I think maybe the uh The Knockout side to side it's either side

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that was the old gamer stance it wasn't was it was the arrow keys you had

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everything clustered around the arrow keys I'm gonna kick this cop

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they'll never catch me copper

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get out of here oh no no

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no yeah you don't want to be on the sidewalk the sidewalks have real bad

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time oh yeah there you go oh not good not good you got Road Rash oh

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you have to hike back to your bike yeah you do old games unforgiving oh no the

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cop got me yep

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I love these segments so much no like

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a thing guys playing old games might not

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impress you much so what right you're running a PC game

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on a PC want a cookie and I can see why

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a lot of people would take this sort of thing for granted odds are that a lot of

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old Windows software you try to run will work on newer versions of Windows but

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it's not a given it's thanks to an incredible amount of software

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engineering that goes into making Windows backwards compatible one of my

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favorite stories comes from the 90s when Microsoft discovered a bug in Sim City

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that caused it to crash on Windows 95. their solution was to actually build a

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mechanism to detect if SimCity was running and then temporarily alter

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Windows memory management to work around it isn't that incredible uh let's try

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Mech Warrior three sure that's hardware accelerated hold on yeah you need the CD

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these are images from my own CD collection by the way I don't have them

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all here but I own all these games now I never played this game back in the day

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do you want to take the wheel uh sure I don't remember much about this game so

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that's cool I do know the mouse works holy crap I didn't have a good computer

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back then and I did not know that games looked this good back then what's

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impressive about this is that this is 3D accelerated how do I help people wrap

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their heads around how cool it is that we were able to play a game on a voodoo

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3. well it no longer exists and like Voodoo Hardware only existed for a short

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period of time anyway so like a lot of games that supported Voodoo Hardware

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also supported like opengl or direct 3D

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so oh he took out my leg immediately whoa dudes with the snipe he just got

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wrecked holy crap Voodoo 3D accelerators were the best back in the day NVIDIA had

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only just kind of started off the ground and they weren't doing super great with

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their original nv1 ATI was still kind of trying to find

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their footing but Voodoo only existed for a short period of time yeah and so

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the fact that you can run a voodoo card and it's it's fully accelerated

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with all the food all the features like bilinear filtering which was a big thing

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back in the day otherwise you had the chunky pixels that kind of warped around

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yeah that was huge and the fact that you can do this

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is massive this is being emulated on the CPU there's no GPU in this system now I

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want to make this clear some older games will work without jumping through PCM

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Hoops you can use Community patches or Community projects like DG Voodoo to

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convert old apis like Glide to modern ones but that can be its own entire

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Rabbit Hole unless a studio like night dive has taken the time to restore it I

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wouldn't expect night dive to do anything with this but it's worth showing you guys just because this is an

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entire genre of games that I remember very fondly that simply doesn't exist

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anymore these Interactive Learning experiences and multimedia storybooks

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were pretty much how a couple of my younger siblings learned to read there's

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just no profit in it anymore speaking of things that became

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unprofitable to the point of Extinction encyclopedias I mean it sounds like a

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wild idea now but what if I didn't want my kids on the internet there is no

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reason you couldn't using Carter 98 also mind maze is lit unlike Wikipedia which

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you're definitely not encouraged to use these days at school we were encouraged

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and in fact expected to use incarna or like Compton's or whatever usually in

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Carta just look stuff up and you know do our book reports or reports on selectomy

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tonsillectomies sure what should we learn about find

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um foxes smallest member of the dog family let's

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go here's some pictures it's so cool like to call PCM a success would be

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selling it well short but it's worth

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noting that there are other ways to do pretty much everything I've shown you so

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far and I would be remiss if I didn't at least mention them probably the least

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painful way to play older games is in a browser many abandonware MS-DOS games

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are a five second Google search away and require no configuration whatsoever to

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get running mixed up Mother Goose was another of my childhood favorites and

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runs perfectly on play classic.games which aside from its obnoxious ads seems

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to work pretty well and those of you who were paying close attention probably

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noticed that this site and the others like it is simply using dosbox a free

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and open source dot simulator that you can also set up and run for yourself

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without any ads dosbox runs on just

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about any modern operating system and can be used to run pretty much anything

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that ran on dos or Windows 3.1 as as

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long as you have the patience to set it up and troubleshoot it and it's this

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troubleshooting that leads many retro enthusiasts to Simply acquire older

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Hardware hence scale old software even if it's running

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correctly is full of idiosyncrasies that

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made sense at the time but seem pretty bass awkwards today for example many

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older games have their physics and animations tied to the CPU clock speed

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therefore when you would upgrade your computer they would become completely

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unplayable fun fact by the way that was the true purpose of the turbo button on

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pre-pentium era Intel PCS it was not to

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make the computer faster it was actually to slow it down for compatibility with

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last gen software so unfortunately even older Hardware isn't the Silver Bullet

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that you might think it would be I mean believe it or not the progressions from

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dos to Windows 3.x to 95 and Windows 98

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took place over many years and Lolly

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might think of them all as kind of part of the Dos based era there's no one

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Hardware configuration that will cover you across the board so after a Time

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you're going to end up like Brian the electrician hoarding dozens of unique

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configurations and the spare parts to go with them out of fear that your old

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Hardware will eventually fail and that there will be no way to replace it

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now Windows xp's compatibility mode is going to get you a lot of the way there

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but anyone who ever tried to use it at the time can tell you that it was less

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of an apple Rosetta and more of a oh wow

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it worked what a pleasant surprise kind of experience I mean even PCM can't

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account for software that's just straight up incompatible with the

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hardware speaking of which the Need for Speed SC

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DirectX is installed but that that's a

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weird hybrid of like a Windows and a Dos program like you saw that it said it's

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all DirectX 2 and DirectX 3 too I saw that both of those it actually runs in

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Daws and its installer is dos and it uses dos like sound configuration what

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we're seeing here is whatever incompatibility we have either be a be

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it Hardware with our eax compatible sound card or maybe our Voodoo graphics

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card and Windows 98 at all Windows 98 at

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all it just will not run absolutely not

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however this apparent weakness is

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actually one of pcm's greatest strengths watch this through the magic of Simply

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creating a separate VM that emulates completely different Hardware we can

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either select our eax compatible sound card for immersive audio or we can do

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this and handle games that came out during the transition from dos to

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Windows 95. let me tell you as someone who lived through it that was a

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painfully long period and compatibility was a huge problem did you know that

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they still made dos games as late as 1998 because of the limitations of the

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early versions of DirectX let's try it again this time in Windows 95.

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hey hey there we go

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shoot and stuff yeah yeah uh you should have an automatic

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shift but a you need to shift out of neutral oh hi there sorry Hi Mr speed

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limit inside this was a very immersive game back in the day this is

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unfortunately the special edition or SE which doesn't have any of the fun

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cutscenes or colorful characters you just had the racing experience but while

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this game from that period works fine Jane's ATF from 1996 will not run in any

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version of Windows it has to be dos and

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good luck getting everything working Anthony juggled having sound a mouse and

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networking support back in the day due to the need for a massive amount of

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conventional memory of which only 640 kilobytes of it is available in DOS

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with that in mind the farther back we go we can go all the way back to the

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original IBM PC the more dosbox kind of

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just makes sense for people who only want to play games that is unless you

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really want to relive the experience of manual memory management like Anthony

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and so many others PCM will give you

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that experience and it will be faithful which I guess leads us pretty well into

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some of pcm's other weaknesses for

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starters while serial ports and parallel ports are emulated you cannot pass

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physical devices to them Anthony learned this the hard way when he tried to

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transfer saves from his Dreamcast massive memory card plus so what that

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means is that if say an app had a dongle

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for copy protection it's to the high seas for you matey and if you had

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designs on replacing Old Point of Sale Hardware while keeping the software

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tough luck at least for now 86 bucks a

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fork of PCM that's looking to improve accuracy actually has us on the road map

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but as of right now you would need to use something like dosbos X for

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pass-through and then hope that the software is compatible

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it's also a lot more difficult to access files on your host PC with PCM and with

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its derivatives compared to dosbox where dosbox can just Mount any folder you

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want as a drive letter PCM is For Better

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or For Worse much more like the original Hardware requiring either a network

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connection or a disk and unfortunately

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while the network interface is emulated just fine and we were actually you saw

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able to transfer files it couldn't see

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our host machine on the network because they have the same Mac Address like

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we're not 100 sure what was going on and

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the reality of it is that networking in Windows 98 wasn't great so what some

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people end up doing is setting up an FTP server on a separate VM or something but

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what we did was to use folder to ISO or

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any to ISO to quickly turn folders into

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disk images that then can be mounted inside the vm's virtual CD-ROM drive

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it's clunky but at least it's something finally there's the configuration I did

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say that PCM was easy to use but the problem is that there isn't as much

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granularity as you'd get in dosbox things like setting the irqs and dmas

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for your sound devices might cause problems for you and unless you're a fan

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of black Borders or uneven pixels or Vaseline blur you're probably going to

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need to use the opengl 3.0 renderer with the sharp bilinear 2x prescale Shader

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from retroarch if you want to get proper scaling it also doesn't come with the

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ROM files that you need to emulate the old Hardware because they're probably

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still legally protected the good news is that an archive exists on GitHub because

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at this point nobody actually cares but you never know when some company will

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reach the verge of bankruptcy and decide that it wants to enforce its copyright

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from 1997 on its BIOS firmware

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that would be a dick move maybe instead they should try getting money from

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